What's the Issue with Natural Selection? | The Creation Podcast: Episode 18

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How does natural selection replace God as the creative agent? What issues can be found with the concept of natural selection? And can accepting Darwinian evolution be harmful to one's faith?
Host Lauren Pennington and ICR President and research scientist Dr. Randy Guliuzza talk about some of the scientific and spiritual problems with the concept of natural selection in Episode 18 of The Creation Podcast.
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  • @grantgev
    @grantgev2 жыл бұрын

    Love what you said about "natural selection" being like modern day idolatry 🔥

  • @trafficjon400

    @trafficjon400

    10 ай бұрын

    Nobody can be proven IDLE and any one being idle or in to idolatary realy end up dead or praying to the idles its told by the idle book that threatens them to hell. This is turning to insanity and one of the two are causing it in billons who might if they don't take it with a grain of salt. Science think they prove Evolution better than Christians Prove God of the Bible. when 1 of them is proven then an Honest pick will be taken but never wile Man is alive according to PROOF RATIONAL LOGICAL OR SPIRITUAL SO CALLED FACTS. We only get to beleive if intelligent enough or actually evidence by a experience that is only proved by the Mind expecting a other mind to believe it? is only crazy on 1 side and silly on the other.

  • @TrevoltIV

    @TrevoltIV

    3 ай бұрын

    Natural selection is the new pagan god.

  • @biblebeliever2795
    @biblebeliever27952 жыл бұрын

    This was interesting. I'm glad to see some of the orthodoxy in the YEC community being challenged. The other creation ministries all seem to have swallowed the pill of natural selection. I remember thinking one day before I was saved and believed in evolution, how can nature select something, it doesn't have a mind? And I distinctly remember thinking of evolution and natural selection as like a "force" working behind the scenes, i.e., an intelligent agency.

  • @TheGreatPyramid
    @TheGreatPyramid2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this ICR and Dr. Gulluzza... taking the ax to the root!

  • @trafficjon400

    @trafficjon400

    10 ай бұрын

    Root of what? your brain or a spirit that never knew a generation from a day according to make up scripture twisters twisting a book that Contradicts is double insanity..

  • @ruthmalan7860
    @ruthmalan786010 ай бұрын

    Really good. Concise and truly cognisant reasoning. Very much common sense. Amazing how scientists choose to believe Darwinism just so that they can ignore our wonderful creator!

  • @MrWholphin
    @MrWholphin2 жыл бұрын

    This was profound and I don't know how I missed it before tbh. In common language only intelligent entites 'select', perhaps what is generally meant by natural selection should be re-termed to imply non-intelligent agency, e.g. 'natural preservation'

  • @trafficjon400

    @trafficjon400

    10 ай бұрын

    Which is tottaly nuts insane leaving any general brain alone is Cruel and ellects who it wants with nothing to do whether your idle smart dumb good bad doesnt matter makes no sense.

  • @kathleennorton2228
    @kathleennorton22287 ай бұрын

    The personification of nature in more than a manner of speaking and is constant among evolutionists. The thoughts in this video have been mine for a long time. This has bothered me and I have not seen it properly addressed. This is video and teaching is absolutely wonderful. Please continue to pursue this line of reasoning.

  • @chi9153
    @chi9153 Жыл бұрын

    Brilliantly explained

  • @deannesanv8931
    @deannesanv89312 жыл бұрын

    This is a very complicated subject. I have been a creationist ever since I can remember. I don’t know if I had even heard of evolution until college biology. (I just got through the class for the grade, knowing I disagreed, but not having the details or courage to question out loud.) I didn’t realize how confusing the phrase “natural selection” is. Although I don’t agree with it as evolutionists claim it happens (although now I know even they don’t agree on the meaning), I thought it just meant that traits that would benefit a creature would naturally increase the chances of survival. In the evolutionary worldview, that would make sense, but since creatures are not evolving into different creatures, and the steps to do so would involve features that would NOT be beneficial, the whole idea would be bogus. I will watch this again and try to wrap my head around what they really mean.

  • @trafficjon400

    @trafficjon400

    10 ай бұрын

    Interesting?

  • @knightclan4
    @knightclan42 жыл бұрын

    Great interview

  • @salvadoremarinaro6350
    @salvadoremarinaro63508 ай бұрын

    I want to help you create the creature features index.. This is an amazing talk regarding this topic.. I'm sharing it to many... Tyvm❤

  • @refuse2bdcvd324
    @refuse2bdcvd3247 ай бұрын

    LOVE ICR!

  • @williamhoward2731
    @williamhoward27312 жыл бұрын

    I wish to thank you for sharing this awesome informational Podcast 18 . Amen

  • @icrscience

    @icrscience

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @trafficjon400

    @trafficjon400

    10 ай бұрын

    We only wish we could do more but still stuck because we know proof is not possible .

  • @stephenrobbins6353
    @stephenrobbins635311 ай бұрын

    Breading is intelligent design

  • @bluesioux9538
    @bluesioux9538 Жыл бұрын

    Lots of circular reasoning throughout that the other sciences then incorporate or build upon

  • @jennifereverett6298
    @jennifereverett629811 ай бұрын

    I am a Christian who denies evolution but out of curiosity just looked up "mechanisms of natural selection" and found this from the U. of British Columbia: "Natural Selection occurs when nature favors an organism. This happens when the strongest and “best fit” to survive are able to reproduce." In other words, survival of the fittest. But going a little further, my interpretation is that they're saying the "force" or "agent" is random genetic changes from copying errors, sun exposure, disease, stress, etc. that then either survive or don't survive in the environment. I would also add that genetic changes from copying errors, sun exposure, etc. don't prevent the possibility that God allows for such things to modify his designs (presumably after the fall and he punished his creation). But I've also heard of others implying an intelligence behind the mutation/change process such as that beaks changed form in response to an environmental stress, not simply randomly with some of the changes (for whatever reason) surviving the stress. Forbes has an article that says one researcher is looking at epigenetics as the cause of the beak changes in finches. I didn't read the article, only barely skimmed it, but I do want to note that epigenetics means the genetic information was already present. With epigenetics, an environmental trigger turns some genes off or on. In which case, it would not be evolution that is happening, but God's program operating as he designed it!

  • @trafficjon400

    @trafficjon400

    10 ай бұрын

    Science said natural selection turns things on and off automatically? so not sure what any of this makes sense or all evolution or creation. Bible God who said perfect but read it in a carnal way when its not ferfect.

  • @akmurf7429
    @akmurf74292 жыл бұрын

    This is the best explanation of what evolution actually is, that I have ever heard! Basically, evolutionists think the earth and all its life came about and exists like the movie, avatar? Need I point out, that movie is science "fiction". Dr. Guliuzza, you just explained, very eloquently, why I'm not an evolutionist and never could be. That hook is way too big to swallow! You are truly an effective faith-building organization.

  • @junacebedo888
    @junacebedo88811 ай бұрын

    The word "random" is absent in this video

  • @CreationMyths
    @CreationMyths2 жыл бұрын

    ...I can define natural selection.

  • @deutscherritter344

    @deutscherritter344

    2 жыл бұрын

    ...while actual scientists say they can't.

  • @trafficjon400

    @trafficjon400

    10 ай бұрын

    Right? but, who doesn't know is being Honest. and who THINK they know might not be honest.@@deutscherritter344

  • @peskyfervid6515
    @peskyfervid651511 ай бұрын

    Darwin's original purpose was just to take inventory of the flora and fauna he found on a voyage to map the coast of South America. It was funded by the British government of the day. That was the only purpose Darwin had. It was what he documented on that trip that made him wonder about how animals came to be the way they were. After the five year voyage, Darwin returned to England with his specimens, and spent the next twenty years studying them. It was only then that he wrote Origin of the Species. that was his attempt to explain what he had found in his travels.

  • @l.m.892

    @l.m.892

    11 ай бұрын

    Darwin's father paid for Charles's ticket. As far as how animals came to be as they are, you need to look into the issue much further than what Darwin did to make an accurate assessment of "why is it this way?"

  • @altsen9239

    @altsen9239

    10 ай бұрын

    I feel sorry for Darwin cuz the fault really lies with the anti god group who is using his finding but pushing it for their godless agenda. In the natural selection ecosystem all designed species have intelligence and instincts and are competing to survive and thrive. Whether their intelligence is as small as peanut like a crocodile or as smart as man like dolphins and orang utan.

  • @peskyfervid6515
    @peskyfervid651511 ай бұрын

    Here's a quote from someone who was not Charles Darwin: "...as animals usually breed much more quickly than does mankind, the destruction every year...must be enormous to keep down the numbers of each species, since evidently they do not increase regularly from year to year, as otherwise the world would long ago have been crowded with those that breed most quickly. Vaguely thinking over the enormous and constant destruction which this implied, it occurred to me to ask the question, why do some die and some live?" This was Alfred Russel Wallace, a contemporary of Charles Darwin. The question was also one that Darwin asked. Why do some die while others live? They both arrived at the same conclusion. Some are more fit in their environment. That is, some are more likely to pass along their "fitness" to their offspring, which eventually will prevail in that organism. Pretty simple, really. All organisms face a test every day. Will they be able to outcompete others in their environment for the resources of that environment? Those that pass the test live on through their offspring. Those that fail don't.

  • @l.m.892

    @l.m.892

    11 ай бұрын

    You seem to be stuck on Darwinian evolution. Why do you think the hypothesis of "Punctuated Equilibrium" was proposed?

  • @dh5228
    @dh52282 жыл бұрын

    Good interview and he's mostly correct. However, he is a minority in the YEC creation community regarding the proper definition of natural selection (NS). No one even gets close to deifying or assigning agency to NS in the young earth, biblical creation community, and it's a straw man to say we do. After all, creationists came up with it before the godless hijacked it. Also, if you do the research, you will find many evolutionists that reject the agency idea as well. I found plenty of examples in just a few minutes of research. Another straw man to support an incorrect take on what the biblical creation community believe regarding NS. You can't even stretch the proper definition to include deification or as a death-driven mechanism. On an international creation website you can find plenty of public-available information on what everyone believes on this topic. I met Dr. Guliuzza at an event once and found him to be a great guy, and his Continuous Environmental Tracking (CET) model is a great way to help folks understand the divine-engineered epigenetic feedback systems our Lord placed into his creation. Having a EE degree specializing in communication systems, I find a good way to help the layman understand it all. However, biblical NS properly understood doesn't support a death driven march to a refined organism, only differential reproduction can do that with no death along the way required. In the end there is no conflict between CET and NS when properly defined. After all in Genesis 30:37 we see Jacob sorting sheep to manipulate the number of striped, spotted, and speckled ones with "no death required" along the way. Differential reproduction is all that was needed.

  • @biblebeliever2795

    @biblebeliever2795

    2 жыл бұрын

    Jacob was a person who had intelligent agency to select. Nature doesn't have a mind and can't select anything.

  • @johncollins8304
    @johncollins8304 Жыл бұрын

    Creatures' Features The Evolution (sic) of the Moth. Scientist on the BBC in the 70's: consequent to the Clean Air Act 1956 the bark of the plane trees became lighter, thus turning the tables on the vulnerability of the lighter moth and darker moth to predators, eventually the lighter ones becoming more prolific. Proof of evolution. My question: what is the lighter moth evolving into? Answer: it isn't. It's a moth. It's still 'just' a moth.

  • @dagwould

    @dagwould

    10 ай бұрын

    As I understand the peppered moth is a put up job. They don't rest on tree trunks. Even if they did, it is evidence of differentail survival due to environmental factors. But do we have evidence of this mechanism being part of the arrival of new biological forms, new families of organisms? Evidence, not lines of fossils like a morbid cartoon.

  • @johncollins8304
    @johncollins8304 Жыл бұрын

    It's a big Pachamama, beloved of the No.1 enemy of the Church, Pope (?) Begoglio.

  • @chozen1956
    @chozen19562 жыл бұрын

    No doctrine on earth can affect faith. Faith is an irrevocable gift from God. No one can snatch us who are chosen, out of God's hands. Our faith is not ours at all but rather, the Lords. It is His gift of faith that He measures out for each of us. But the information here, as always, is wonderful. Thank you.

  • @akmurf7429

    @akmurf7429

    2 жыл бұрын

    God Almighty, doesn't just make claims. He backs them up with reality!

  • @MikeTMike

    @MikeTMike

    2 жыл бұрын

    Faith is not a path to truth.

  • @MikeTMike

    @MikeTMike

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@akmurf7429 Yes or no. Can you demonstrate God exists?

  • @josephnebeker7976

    @josephnebeker7976

    Жыл бұрын

    You don't understand Faith all. We aren't gifted faith because God chose us. We develop faith after we choose to believe. Those who believe can change their mind about God and religion, and those who do so can and have lost faith through their disbelief. I have seen this happen.

  • @dagwould

    @dagwould

    11 ай бұрын

    @@MikeTMike Do you have faith in your own rationality? In 'science'? In the reliability of your senses? in other minds? Ah, so you have plenty of faith too; faith that helps you seek truth, presumably. And the answer to your question is yes.

  • @stephenrobbins6353
    @stephenrobbins635311 ай бұрын

    Natural selection, so nature has intelligence, intelligent design????

  • @Hermanopepe
    @Hermanopepe Жыл бұрын

    Nothing evolves.

  • @user-ud9og6qm9h

    @user-ud9og6qm9h

    2 ай бұрын

    Yep everything is devolving

  • @cynic150
    @cynic15011 ай бұрын

    Same old worn out fallacious arguments. Yawn!

  • @user-ud9og6qm9h

    @user-ud9og6qm9h

    2 ай бұрын

    Exactly !!! The fact that the male genitalia evolved at precisely the same time as the females in every mammalian species all over the whole earth and they had the drive to hump and the ability to communicate and know how to do it then amazingly they have perfectly reciprocating sexual organs and one has seed and the other has an egg NOT KNOWING what is happening in the other sex’s body is fantastic……almost like they were put in the same place at the same time….. 🤔🤔

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