King: “murder everybody” Kalista: “I feel like you’re being a bit unreasonab-“ Hecarim: “FUCK YES”

I like that she doesn't have any wounds and is bare-footed w/o major armor; it gives her that "spirit" vibe, like no she isn't someone who's now a zombie and stuff, but rather something that just appears when you summon it- something that doesn't care if it gets stabbed again if it can kill the betrayer.

I think the cleanup is coming because of the Mordekaiser rework coming.

@GreenBaji

5 жыл бұрын

pls let it gonna be BIG and gud!

@wondrous_monsoon

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe we are getting the release on the PBE today

Kalista still has one of the saddest voice lines imo Periodically she will simply say: "Kalista, that was our name". The delivery is spot-on and with this latest short story it's fully fleshed out and is just as sad as I had expected (in that she no longer remembers who she is and her sense of self is being eroded by/mixed with the multitudes of oathsworn souls bound to her). I used to play her a ton but the nerfs along with a general meta shift have made me prefer not to. On the plus side, Essence Reaver is back so I'm back to a build I like on Sivir/Ashe.

Love when you are doing an analysis about underrated champions from the League of Legends. It's kinda annoying when only the populars only get the lore, skins and art the most.

@ragingpotato-y-

4 жыл бұрын

Believe it or not kalista was once the strongest adc in the entire game. Sucks to main her nowadays as she is a shell of her former self

Well all that talk about accuracy makes me recall that time you said in fantasy, it ain’t about realism, but believability, as a spectre she wouldn’t need armour at all, so the just enough armour to make it believable that she was a warrior seems good enough.

Fascinating watching so many people a year ago not expecting the Ruined King as the motivation for the Shadow Isles updates.

I think Kalista really shines the most when including Ledros. As of the current lore, Kalista as an individual character shifted from a person to an autonomous idea similar to Kindred. It works great as a tool for myths and to build up the world but leaves her without much current personality. The continuation of conflict in her story no longer comes directly from her but from Ledros' attempts to bring her back, only to fail time and time again. I think Ledros' inner suffering is truly highlighted by the fact that Thresh, someone who takes great enjoyment of torturing someone himself, is satisfied by simply standing by and watching. With the ending of the short story and Ledros' returning to the mist I can only really hope we get more of his character.

Her lack of armor could be explained by her not expecting actual combat on the Blessed Isles, but that could be considered a little hand-wave-y.

Kalista having her feet exposed + having blue skin sells more the idea of her being some kind of zombie/undead, although I always saw her more like a ghost? like that's not her real body, that's just a mix of souls who happen to look like that because that's the form the assumed for the spirit of revenge, which is why I like her not being wounded at all? Like they could break down her body, but not her spirit

Wish you would have picked up on the symbolism of her stacking spears each being a soul she’s picked up on her journey. Each spear she pulls out makes others feel their pain of betrayal.

I think her armor is fine (minus the boob plate). I think they were aiming for the Roman style for it. Taking away her boots actually helps with more readability. If you had to track a jumping spear lady, the legs have to stand out from a semi top down perspective Edit: the helm is a bit more akin to eastern militaries but the rest fall in place with Romans to me

"Who the hell goes to war with their thighs exposed, anyway?" Greeks, romans and macedonians, for example :v And i'm so happy you're back with WTDW

@ArtumTsumia

5 жыл бұрын

Plus Kalista is undead anyway. It's possible she used to have some more covering her limbs. Skyen also kind of grazed it, but I'm certain part of the design is Kalista clinging to parts of her old identity. Her armor isn't simply _archaic,_ it's a shadow of a memory of it's former glory.

@ArtumTsumia

5 жыл бұрын

@@Banana-senpai An interesting question. I usually consider such armors to be more ornamental/formal/ritualistic than functional per se. That is, it's function is not primarily defensive, it's look is it's primary purpose. Such armors will still function in combat and it's not unrealistic to have fighters put on a bit of a show for crowds. Even in _League_ Draven is completely about this idea. Things like 'boobplate' are only a bad idea if pure function is your only goal.

Oh god. I trully missed this videos

Classical Greek armor did have exposed arms and lower thighs, although it also included greaves, which Kalista doesn't have. EDIT: How did I not at first see Kalista's greaves?

@timothymclean

5 жыл бұрын

And bracers, I think. Definitely a shield which covered arms pretty well.

@armorfrogentertainment

5 жыл бұрын

@@timothymclean artwork doesn't (to my knowledge) show bracers being worn. They're not really useful if you have a massive shield, anyway.

@filiperodriguesaquin

5 жыл бұрын

@@armorfrogentertainment She has greaves, but you are right, classical greeks had greaves that covered more area.

@armorfrogentertainment

5 жыл бұрын

@@filiperodriguesaquin huh. I didn't see those. Weird...

boob armor is fully valid and makes a lot of sense on a female character, male armors often accentuate male attributes like the chest, it makes sense that a female warrior would have an armor that accentute female attribute. i would recomend checking out shadiversity's video on boob armors

I love the concept of ‘Inconvenient Friend Kalista.’ It’s frigging beautiful, and I very much missed the things like that you come up with for the dislike button ramble. Keep it up, mate!

I like kalista's big monster hands too tbh Definitely helps with the spear tossing idea

Having the thighs exposed has also the purpose of having more exposed blue skin. Why have a blue-skinned character if we can't see their skin? I'm not saying is either good or bad, I'm just saying that is probably what the designer was thinking about.

@dannywolfpero

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. It's like Brand. How can we know he's on fire if we can't see his burnt skin?

Kalista's my /favorite/ champ, honestly. Thank you for the clean dissection of her design. Love your analysis vids, stumbled on your channel a couple days ago, keep up the good work.

yesssss shadow isles characters, please do yorick eventually

For some reason I am more pissed of at the Ruined King, then Hecarim. Yes , yes I know his spouse died and left him in a vulnerable state but seriously they can both eat it and Kalista should have had a chance to stab them both in the face.

I really like Kalista, she's the kind of champion that's so great in every single way, it makes me wish I could play her better.

ooh this was so much fun, thank you for coming back to making "what's the deal with" videos again where you just sit down and talk like this. I love it so much! ^u^

Maybe she should look more like a warrior version of Tim Burton's Corpse Bride. The bride had open wounds, tears, and bones sticking out.

18:00 / 19:00? i disagree with that When i first saw kalistw passive i was freaked out Her bare feet made her more monstrou, paranormal, and unnatural which fit her undead character.

I don’t play adc because I SUCK at ranged champs, but I can say that playing Kalista is a wild ride of a power fantasy. Martial Poise’s movement is a big part of that, and I’m really glad they made her look so Spartan bc she’s hard as FUCK!!

This is definitely the best sumup of a lore, delivers the story perfectly and is impossibly entertaining xD

I miss this type of stuff, please continue to make more soon

What i like the most about Kalista is that I usually really get into character while playing her

@paradocks23

5 жыл бұрын

Do you mean you tear through enemies like a vengeful spirit or you get destroyed by the entire enemy team?

I did admire league stretching out and trying new designs. Kalista was intresting. Also you got a like just for how much detail you went into at the end with the vengeance spirit

I know I am quite late to the game, but you talked about the armor, and with my interests, I feel a need to leave a few thoughts. I would on principle agree that Kalista could/should start looking a lot less like directly a woman, and more fluid in her expression. However, if the armor is the armor she wore in life, it makes more sense for the armor to keep the shape of her breasts. Then it may be a discussion of whether her being more of a spirit would/should allow her to change how her armor looks. Regarding armor itself. Nowadays, there are a lot of ideas of how plate armor should look om people. Especially how it should look on women. Therefore, there is a lot of discussion about "boob armor", and whether it is appropriate or would look like that, if women were to wear armor. Now, we do have depictions of Joan of Arc that shows that she was basically just wearing the same design as a man wearing armor, meaning the chest plate looks similar to a sort of pot belly that goes into a slim waist. HOWEVER! We have also good reason to believe that these traits would've been seen as attractive on a man of that time, and that is why the armor looked like it. So Joan of Arc might just be wearing mans armor, or the armor made for her was just made like the standard back then. Throughout much of history, plate armor mimics the traits that would be seen as attractive by the wearer. It was more or less only men wearing armor, so it mimiced attractive male traits. There are examples of ancient roman chest plates that have pecs and abs, and there are medieval armors that have the most insane codpieces. Because armor often also conveys sex appeal. I am saying this because, T B Skyen is 100% correct when saying that showing some sort of chest/breasts form on armor is probably the easiest way to convey that the armored person is indeed a woman. BUT, there is a good historical precedent for the possibility that womens armor would've been made with boobs, and in some situations, perhaps even nipples. Those would probably be few and far between, as they would probably be the more expensive kind. The design I find more likely to be the common design for womens armor, would be that the chest area still has more room, but it wouldn't show as 2 individual breasts. The design of Bo-Katan Kryze's armor in The Mandalorian kinda shows what I mean regarding extra chest room without it being individual breasts, in case someone needs a visual reference.

Hey! Congratulations on another great video! Just wanted to say I love your work, and I liked specially this video because of the way you've told the story, by interpreting it instead of reading the thing and comenting on it like in ooooolder videos. Sorry if I dont sound very polite and something I said comes out wrong, english is not my first language but I try my best ^^

Around 17:30 ish you started talking about how you think it would be more interesting if she was more genderless. And while I agree with you, I also think having a explicitly feminin revenge spirit is interesting. Revenge is frequently a very masculine motivation. Fully agree with you on the "boob-plate is rather stupid" front, but I do think this is a interesting archetype to have made feminine.

@T B Skyen We are the chat of Vengeance. We have come for you traitor. Myla will have her revenge !

Hello TBSkyen, I don't know if you're reading this but I'm a 17 years old student in Canada and I've always like your content as it really stands out as more sophisticated and more educational than other league content creators, so it's always fun to listen to your insight. I had a bonus assignment in English about doing a podcast review, and I choose this video to analyze and further back up your thesis about Kalista being a good design in league of legends, whilst expanding on some of the stuff you said here like boobplates and the usage of female designs just to entice teens. I was hoping you'd see this and maybe wanted to read my review, nevertheless, keep up the good work!

I am greatly looking forward to morde rework. Coming in the next month. Glad to see you actually give rito an approval for a champ design, rare!

You ask the rhetorical question about who goes to war with their thigh exposed, and there is a historical precedent for this. The armour that the Roman Soldiers only reached to just above their knees, and it was never plate armour like we see in medieval Europe, but more like a short metal skirt in some cases. Granted this was partially because their shield (the Scutum) was large enough to protect their legs already, and so there was no need to armour them up. There are other reasons that I am not knowledgable enough to explain, but judging by Kalista's armour, the "skirt" she has could very well be a ruined piece of armour, of roughly the same design as the roman soldier's. So depending on the military tactics and fighting style of that ancient kingdom, it's not impossible that theirs was similar to ancient Rome.

Listen Buddy! 1000 years ive waited for a video!

Here’s my question: how the hell did people figure out the invocation to summon Kalista? How did the people of Runeterra know that you can hammer nails in an effigy to make her show up? Did she just roll up to someone during a Harrowing and say “Yo fam, if you’re ever betrayed, do this ritual and I’ve got your back?” I feel like that’s an aspect of her lore that Riot should really elaborate on: who was her first pledge, and how did that knowledge spread?

@thepalelibrarian

5 жыл бұрын

That's how it is with every single superstition in real life. It gets passed down for generations to the point no one knows how it started with certainty. Maybe it's not a matter of hammering an effigy, but the process helps the person channel whatever energy or emotion is necessary to get her attention or something. Dunno, I don't think it's an issue, it's a throwaway thing to make it spooky.

@goldlight1322

5 жыл бұрын

@@thepalelibrarian See, while I can understand where you're coming from, the issue with Kalista is that she's NOT just a superstition within the context of League's lore. People may tell stories about her and all the Shadow Isle's denizens, but they are real entities that exist in Runeterra, which means at some point, someone had to have figured out "there is a specific ghost in the Shadow Isles I can sell my soul to for vengeance." I do like your explanation, though. If it's just generally WANTING vengeance really bad, and the ritual is nothing more than a byproduct of myth, that does make a lot of sense, especially since there are various ways of summoning her (as seen in her reveal trailer.) I suppose I'll accept this as headcanon for now.

@Whysoshort

5 жыл бұрын

It's likely there are multiple rituals to summon Kalista and that the only truly important factor is a strong sense of vengeance and a willingness to do anything for it. If that is not the case, then someone discovered it on accident. Symbolically taking out their anger and frustration only to discover that it is effective. From there it spread

@imranmeco3393

5 жыл бұрын

@@goldlight1322 Yeah, but how often do you suppose people would sell their soul for vengence, or how many people even had something so wrong done to them to warrant such a thing. It happens so rarely that it might as well be just a superstition. As for the ritual, just take a look at Bloody Mary. Something simple that can be easily done. Even if it fails, it doesn't invalidate it, it just confirms that not everyone can do it.

Kalista is one of my favorite champions design-wise. Glad you got to her. I wish I was better at playing with her.

About the trailing blood thing. Could they have her bright teal drops of ghostly liquid? Something that could be interpreted as blood but does have to be.

Actuallly ancient roman legionaries didn't wear any real leg armor what so ever, granted it was because their shields protected that area most of the time. Something similar could be possible for Kalista the warrior (opposed to Kalista the undead spirit) but overtime as people forgot about Kalista's people they forgot about their battle tactics as well. In fact Kalista's outfit doesn't look that different from what roman legions wore (and yes they essentially had bare leg and arms , apart from the shoulders and parts of the upper arms).

@timothymclean

5 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure they had bracers, at least.

@SampoPaalanen

5 жыл бұрын

@@timothymclean Nope, they did wear tunics with long sleeves and long pants in the more colder regions though. They had no need for bracers since your sword arm would protect by person next to you and your shield arm would protected by the shield itself. The roman style of warfare was based on formations of trained troops, not pack guys performing indivual duels in a single location that was common at the time.

Personally her armor is like fucking shattered, and I find she looks like a Corpse you dug out of a grave, especially with important facets and organic bits of her armor. Like there should have been cloth or leather somewhere in that mix

Hey, love what you do, I wish you all the good in the world ! I wanted to ask what background music you use (is it a mix of the LoL music, in this case, which one, or did you do it ?). See you in your next video! :)

Also if you put armour on her legs and arms it might mess up her color design a little, and it might be harder to communicate that’s she is undead without her skeletal limbs and ghostly glow.

So What Im Hearing Is, More Body Horror In League. And Im Here For That, Bring It.

Kalista is my favourite character in League and I'm so happy that you made this analysis on her because I love how you are so critical with everything. Awesome video!! 😊

You forgot one of the stories, :( was hoping you’d go through it, it’s called The Echos Left Behind, was a fantastic read and focused on kalista and how the vengeance effects her

@TBSkyen

5 жыл бұрын

No, that video is coming :)

@faith17178

5 жыл бұрын

@@TBSkyen great! I love your videos, keep up the good work and looking forward to more kalista! :)

I'm kinda interested with her and Ledros' relationship

LIKE BREATHING IN SULFUR CRAWLING IN MY SKIN!!!!

M O R D E K A I S E R

#ourlad tb skyen your local void friend here to ask, hey the void? Its really disconnected from everything (yes i am that curious cat person who's sent like 3 void anons). It's got the tinyest little corner of lore. So, how about when you get some time, wanna really sit down and go through some unupdated lore bits, maybe make a video on the voidborn as a whole. Im just like, mega sad my favorite region is gonna be in no update limbo hell for eternity. I love my bugs.

Hey TB I had a question about the KZread merch that you are selling. Is it possible that you make an alternate version of the "let's watch anime and bitch about the character design" with the words "play games" instead of watch anime? I don't watch a lot of anime but I like the idea of the shirt^^ and on your channel you are mostly taking about games so... Just an idea :3

00:20 It's because Mordekaisers rework is coming.

MORDE REWORK BOIS

Have you ever thought about doing dota2 characters? I would love to see that

Nice! Im a goblin today :D

Question at 10:30 you talked about league not having a bigger story so would the warmother comics about ashe not count Just curious

@TBSkyen

5 жыл бұрын

Like all other LoL lore content, that's a very small, contained, personal story, and it's an origin story / prequel to the main narrative

Now three years later the lol universe will get its first novel where kalista is the main character

Only I see "Kalistar" in the video icon? O_o

OMG I thought this day would never come!! HE IS ACTUALLY BEING NICE????? ;)

Kalista not being at all in the Ruined King videogame will forever be funny to me, nobody cares about this girl

So Kalistar is a warrior version of Hell girl from the anime show named Hell girl ?

@Whysoshort

5 жыл бұрын

I love hell girl

Are you a designer yourself? You seem like a professional discussing the design

I could be wrong but didn't Roman solider have bear legs and arms?

So, Kalista is the jigoku shoujo (Hell Girl). I loved that anime xD

TB Skyen should have a talk with Shadversity about boob plate

@TBSkyen

5 жыл бұрын

Lol, nah, we don't really talk about the same thing when we talk about that subject :)

I do think they made Kalista female and wanted to show her as female instead is because she looks based off the greek goddess of vengeance and justice (nemesis and the furies, most of the furies), this is also why i think her light armor looks greco-roman to me. If i would change anything of her it would be make her legs like a shadowy flowing thing, so she could still be fairly quickly while moving, i just think its too silly this spirit of vengeance that bounces around.

Pointy armor

22:43 talking shit about my Wai’fu >:|

Do Taliyah pls

i think im necrophile cuz i think that Kalista is very pretty

I didnt finish the video yet, but if there are no 'Notebook' references I'll be sad.

@galio2012

5 жыл бұрын

Darn the short story wasnt mentioned and didnt make a Notebook joke. :( lol still a great video!

When do we get more asmr?

@TBSkyen

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe next April 1st :)

7:55: So, Kalista is now the only champion who still interacts with "summoners" in the lore? 11:05: You'll be familiar with that standard female body shape if you play _any_ fantasy video game. Or non-fantasy video game. Or consumed basically any media where the artists get to choose the character's body shape. 20:25: A few red accents where the spears poke her, at least.

@AnasDaif

5 жыл бұрын

No summoners are not canon She gets summoned by those who call her for vengeance smth like Bloody mary

@timothymclean

5 жыл бұрын

@@AnasDaif Capital-S Summoners are no longer canon. Lowercase-s summoners, people who summon, clearly _do_ exist, since people summon things. That's the joke.

@AnasDaif

5 жыл бұрын

@@timothymclean ...

I wonder what she looked like when she was alive...

You made the dislike button sound so inticing

So... she's Undyne of LoL, right?

Your little rant about boob plate makes me want a game where anyone can buy and wear boob plate. Where anyone could buy and wear non-boob plate.

@sleepyyam5391

5 жыл бұрын

for alternate take I'd highly recommend shadiversity's video on book plate (as a perspective of someone who specializes in the medieval period, weapons and armour)

you can't show bones in china :P

I wonder then how else could a character show femininity if it wasn't boob plates in the armor? Any good examples?

@TBSkyen

5 жыл бұрын

One thing they did with Kalista: emphasized lips (whether with lipstick or otherwise) Makeup is generally coded female, ditto long hair, ditto wide hips. Posture can also be coded heavily gendered, if you want. In minor differences, we generally code certain jaw- and eyebrow shapes feminine also, as well as certain aspects of fat and muscle distribution, depending how detailed you want to get. And then there's colours, which are INTENSELY gender coded and can be used to identify a character.

@adhamgalal8719

5 жыл бұрын

@@TBSkyen oh shit thanks for answering dude, made my day

I do not agree with taking her Identety. She is a folklore, she is refered too as "Lady Vengence". Her ghost body is the avatar of their combined hate and lust for vengence.

@timothymclean

5 жыл бұрын

Her identity as Lady Vengeance is not who Kalista was in life. Skyen is talking about how Lady Vengeance's identity as Kalista was eroded over time, yet still lingers in the femininity of her character design.

@hamdepaf6686

5 жыл бұрын

@@timothymclean well "Lady" sounds pretty feminin to me...

@timothymclean

5 жыл бұрын

@@hamdepaf6686 Why did she become _"Lady_ Vengeance" and not, say, "The Spear of Vengeance"? You're just shifting the problem another step.

@hamdepaf6686

5 жыл бұрын

@@timothymclean is it a problem tho?

@timothymclean

5 жыл бұрын

@@hamdepaf6686 If you don't care, that's fine. I just think it's weird that a spirit of vengeance who's lost everything of the human it once was, lost in the dreams of vengeance of not merely said human but countless others, retains its former self's gender instead of becoming genderless.

I too will nver stop disliking Kai'sa and her lore/design until they fix/update her and give her a VU. She desperately needs it because as she stands she darn near completely fails to meet the expectations of ANY part of her tropes... Void Hunter/Survivor puh-lease she couldn't survive a day in the void, and she basically "hunts" the void equivalent of rats and cats. She doesn't have the mental fortitude or fire power to take out an actual void monster on the scale that the Ascended had to fight....so where does that leave her if she can't do what other especially strong or smart or group Runeterrians can do?

I think a better question is "Who the hell is Kalista?"

What's the deal with TWWWWWWWWWWWWWITCH ...and/or Jinx

Kinda sad that a 2014 skin is better than a 2020 and 2023 skin.

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