I never said i speak for all Maori and other Maori speak for themselves. However TPM use the phrase "our people " and "we are now %20of the population ". They also make claims on behalf of all Maori. Im not the one claiming how Maori i am. Thats what's TPM do.

@skovdzschitt3230

Ай бұрын

So you aren’t their people and they aren’t yours. Wth is your problem? You’re uncomfortable with the existence of TPM and what they do, you don’t even believe in a Māori worldview, you have issues with Māori not being Māori like you. Go back to your marae and see how far you get with that opinion.

@leeanddebbiedavies-rapana8412

Ай бұрын

And that's shameful when Maaori shit on Maaori. We know who they speak for. We havebbeen to every hīkoi Kotahitanga and seen a big influx of all Maaori, Paakeha walking together as 1. Obviously it's not an interest for you. Our children and mokopuna are very interested in whā TPM are doing

@takethel6284

Ай бұрын

@@leeanddebbiedavies-rapana8412 Marxism is an attractive drug to sell to the youth, perhaps you should educate them on the issues with it . . .

@logicalanswer3529

Ай бұрын

@@leeanddebbiedavies-rapana8412 TPM are racist sepratists. Why are you lying about "seen a big influx of all Maaori, Paakeha walking together as 1"?

What about the Payments for for changing to the Maori roll?

@glendagger5003

Ай бұрын

They dont want to dig to deep

@carlmark1013

Ай бұрын

Added bullshit Pakeha who love to make sure history is white I mean right. You know like white Jesus

JT and TPM needs jail time!

@user-pg3ll3sb5b

2 ай бұрын

And the NZ Government,with those NZ crown entities with conflicting interests.

@user-pg3ll3sb5b

2 ай бұрын

NZ Government have no Constitution. They are fraudulent since 1986. Seek truth..the truth SHALL set you free ...or not.

@zackysullivan2088

Ай бұрын

And also the Crown for stealing our lands eg, perpetual lease lands, UTU!!!

@yvonnecharsley297

Ай бұрын

@@zackysullivan2088 Take it to court, you should do well.

@jacquelynelkington5915

Ай бұрын

Why? Where's your due process...and democracy, which is hypocrisy when you don't apply it to Maori. Hmmm.

TPM won only 3% of Maori voters roughly 100.000 ...The other 800 000 either labour or the Coalition so no they do not represent the majority of Maori ....As Winston always has to remind of ....

Anythig with john Tamahiri name on it is bit dodgy . Nothing been done over majic trick he did with trust funds 😮

@JamesFaction

Ай бұрын

You can't even spell Tamihere. Smh

@jacquelynelkington5915

Ай бұрын

JT is a lawyer, he is doing nothing differently to other lawyers, who have to get creative to work for his people against a racist system. He deserves a medal!

@jacquelynelkington5915

Ай бұрын

Nothing done because nothing was illegal?

@DW_Kiwi

Ай бұрын

He is a criminal. And gets away with it!

@ducker09

Ай бұрын

Not worth the effort , frankly​@@JamesFaction

Far reaching implications this panel talks about. Andrea Vance is a good investigative journalist. The whistle blowers as per TV say it all and if these issues see the light of day it is a very sad state or affairs. Te Pati Maori are involved with the alleged information transfer and will be sullied no doubt. The party does not speak for all Maori and the suggestion by one of the panel that they did is bonkers. They hold no power at all when 40 % of cabinet is Maori. Go figure. This panel is all around it but not on to it at all. TePati Maori have 3% of the vote

@mancrum4059

2 ай бұрын

Andrea Vance is a twisted chameleon and is definitely not an independent journalist. She is against free speech and showed her colours as an agent of Labour Govt in 2022, attempting to subvert and besmirch Local Council candidates who dared to have a different opinion to the mainstream narrative.

@shauntempley9757

25 күн бұрын

They represent the vast majority that acknowledge their whakapapa far enough to vote on a different roll for it, and expect more from their lives that living at the behest of pakeha that many Maori have learned to do. Then get constantly betrayed by pakeha for convenience.

I would love that all Maori and Pakeha, in fact all races shared our country, but TPM think they are more equal tha others.

This panel are taking TPM far too seriously. They do not speak for all Maori. They have an ideology more akin to Marxism like the Greens.

@yesterday1396

2 ай бұрын

The greens are the third largest party in parliament

@W_Bin

2 ай бұрын

You clearly have no idea what marxism is. The Greens are nowhere near it. They are more capitalist than dog eat dog neoliberals who support a few super rich to strip everyone. "Most men with nothing would rather protect a delusional hope of becoming rich than confront the reality of being poor."

@skovdzschitt3230

2 ай бұрын

🤣 when you think you have a point. TPM have NEVER claimed to represent ALL Māori, yet somehow you expect that they should. They are unapologetically Māori. Are Māori not entitled to have options like you have? Are the options that they choose from not allowed to have an unapologetically Māori approach to politics to serve their needs? Do you know how legislative changes impact on Māori? You don’t hold other parties to the same standard you expect of TPM…. careful now 🤣🤣

@brentreid7408

2 ай бұрын

I am Maori. Maori have the same options as all Kiwis like the many Maori in other parties. There is no such thing as a Maori approach to politics or a Maori world view. These are just things TPM claim but with no substance. Are not the views of Shain Reti and Tama Potaka in National or Winston and Shane Jones a Maori view? Or is it only those in TPM?

@simplygreen5832

2 ай бұрын

@@skovdzschitt3230 Sure, as long as the hardline Maori supremacist stance is allowed to be mirrored. Ya really want to open that can of worms?

i’m worried for them if they find this so complex to comprehend

@StGammon77

Ай бұрын

I feel the same and blame lack of proper balanced education

How can they call it a pakeha parliament? That is extremely racist. And why don’t you three leftie blobs relay the truth. There is more Māori cabinet members in the new govt than ever ever before.

@djhemirukahemisphere8893

Ай бұрын

what confuses you about that? There are no Maori mechanisms or process , No chiefs, no iwi reps. Its a completely british model. Furthermore its imposed on Maori in their own land despite the treaty

@toakasi6425

Ай бұрын

The Maori caucus are scrapping for the party vote now that TPM have won their seat its also a chance to encourage non TPM / Mana Motuhake supporters to join the waka kotahi which is driven by iwi & hapu largely. There are huge cultural differences and of course more voters now are conscious of their identity and causes around the world that affect Indigenous minority communities largely. However the Maori vote is at a split due to the party vote its a hot mess really. TPM political campaigning is more attractive due to activating Maori political activism however Labour have always been the party of choice for most working Maori communities right across the motu, realistically their policies and values are more astute they have a more established electoral so TPM are actually in competition with Maori members of the Labour Green Party.

@JamesSumner-Goodwin

Ай бұрын

They are giving them way more credit than is due.. they have no plan, they aren't politicians they're deluded anarchists who took Dr Sharples and Dame Turia's legacy and degraded it. Sorry, not sorry but I've got no respect for TPM. I respect Tama Potaka, James Meagher, Shane Jones, Peeni Henare etc but not these dramatists. Never!

@logicalanswer3529

Ай бұрын

Their narrative is to not push the truth.

How can under privileged and disenfranchised maori trust their marae or Te Waipareira Trust if these alleged allegations are true. Their private information has been flaunted, manipulated and misused. An allegation which in times past has been been a hinderance to Maori participation in census gathering. Shouldn't the Te Pati MP involved be stood down at this point?

@jacquelynelkington5915

Ай бұрын

JT has explained that sharing information on various kaupapa for any one contact is an acceptable tikanga. I believe this is the reason that Electoral Commission has withdrawn the allegation.

@missbluerain

Ай бұрын

​@@jacquelynelkington5915where Maori tikanga conflicts with NZ law I think they either need to bend to NZ law or we need to remove maraes etc as being polling booths. We have to have consistent laws applying to all especially for a democratic process.

People like who? It's a shame corruption can't be called out for what it is.

kind of, you know you know um um um um you know kind of, um um you know kind of um kind of um you know - this woman is unwatchable um kind of um you know

@floyd8293

Ай бұрын

All their biases are on display

Not just that seat, hana seat should be questioned as well

Given Tamahiri's seeming propensity to steal census data, I suppose we should trust him when he says Maori are 20% of the population. However, these are numbers I can find in the 2023 Census: 887,493 people (17.8 percent) as Māori. 861,576 people (17.3 percent) as Asian. I wonder if Tamahiri is planning on a separate Asian parliament? At some point John Tamahiri's sedition will become full secession.

@skovdzschitt3230

2 ай бұрын

nah it’s because people been running around saying “no full blooded Māori left” 😂 which means there’s a whole heap of Pakeha running around here with Māori blood. They are now looking into and embracing their heritage. Wonder what it is about their founding culture that they are not buying into anymore?

@simplygreen5832

2 ай бұрын

@@skovdzschitt3230 I am now embracing my handouts, yes.

@skovdzschitt3230

2 ай бұрын

@@simplygreen5832 🤣 I can guarantee you ain’t getting far on that. And the other problem is you will have to share it with ALL your Māori relatives - Ever tried to do up a house with 99 owners with different ideas and opinions? You sure you want on the gravy train? You can’t opt out in an election year either so when you get hammered for your greed every campaign trail when you got exactly jack squat, suck it up cuz.

@simplygreen5832

2 ай бұрын

@@skovdzschitt3230 Question: Do you think the increase on the census is more likely to be 'people embracing their cultural heritage' or 'people realizing globalist, and by extension government, favoritism leans heavily in one direction'?

@skovdzschitt3230

2 ай бұрын

@@simplygreen5832 🤣🤣 mate, stop with the globalist yankee talking points. The current govt blows your narrative out of the water so how globalist is this narrative you weave?

I dont want TPM to speak for me. Our tribes were at war before the english arived. Rawiri makes out like he is uniting us, and he wants 2 salaries

Im parrt maori,I put full maori on my info as did alot of people to get medical care as doctors were telling people to do.I eneded up unwell and admitted to hospital and missed out on alot of care because there was endless huis around my health and well being. No actual improvement that i could see?im changing my data back to other.....

@gordoncooke6785

2 ай бұрын

Liar

@dicky-duck6632

Ай бұрын

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought you guys got priority to jump the queue for hospital procedures and the emergency room. That's what they were talking about canceling earlier this year on the newspaper. Isn't that the case? Did they cancel that policy already?

@StGammon77

Ай бұрын

Interesting

@annetteblack9573

Ай бұрын

​@@dicky-duck6632No ,not in my exprience. Last year I had to go to a private specialist , cost 400.00. Same with scans.

@annetteblack9573

Ай бұрын

It was a 3 month waiting list. CT 1 month

Why is there no trust

TPM got only 3.08% of the vote, and it is therefore difficult to square with this panel taking seriously their outrageous roadmaps. TPM wants to introduce co-governance, a scheme that could never work and if introduced by a woke Labour led coalition would spell disaster for New Zealand. All of these socialist parties claim they want better outcomes for Maori. The way that really works is that they need to abandon tribalism, conspiracy theories, the notion that thry are special, and governmental distrust and work at integrating themselves into the framework of our economy, legal system and governance. I have a good number of part Maori relations. None of them speak Te Reo, none care about tribalism or fixate on "where they came from" but all of them are healthy, happy and enjoy regular visits to Venice.

"what's going on with Te Pati Maori" with 3 white panellists. This doesn't look good

@StGammon77

Ай бұрын

Nah they're all part Maori

It certainly is 'an important matter' as far as 'targeted use of data' is concerned. If targeted and illicit use is proven, this would lead directly to the question: how influential to the vote was it's use ? If a certain number of votes decided this electorate; and this electorate decided a crucial balance in Parliament; makes the inquiry very important indeed.

These two are rather tame ! Cut through the crap & get to it ! , Limp wristed snowflake journalism

@bluemoon5662

Ай бұрын

Yep, and I bet they are anti-Trumpers too ... but at least they letting us comment ... for now. 😄

There never was s usable bridge has there pakeha settler government assumed government its an illegal government.

TPM cheated... dismantle TPM now... disgraceful

What's the difference in me getting an email from national and I did not sign up until I got the email. How did they get my details.

Actually Te Paati Maori are representing their constituency and thats their job! And not just for Maori, their are many pakeha supporting the TPM too. Great to see the unity.

@canecorso8251

Ай бұрын

White commie Liberal progressives trying to be trendy.

@DW_Kiwi

Ай бұрын

BS

Marc Dalder critcised the government on pushing through legislation without enough time for people to have a say. Did he ever criticise Arderns government for doing exactly that without any consultaion? I don't think so...and we have had six years to decide what we want in this government and they campaigned on it and we voted for it.

@canecorso8251

Ай бұрын

He's a plant.

It's time to stop guaranteed seats for maori. It's a racist policy that should be stopped.

@JamesFaction

Ай бұрын

Maori seats honour the treaty. Maori need a degree of self-determination, and that makes sense given the really bad health and justice outcomes for Maori. Suggesting to remove the seats is actually racist. Racists love to label anti-racism as racist.

@stevesmith1923

Ай бұрын

Really? Where was it written that a racial group would be guaranteed seats in parliament? And the treaty was written and signed a 180years ago by the British. I am not British and the treaty should be discarded. Maori are the most racist people I have meet in New Zealand. Bad health and justice outcomes are cause by bad decisions and behaviors of the individual. Your comment is so crazy and illogical, I don't know where to start but thank you for proving my point the Maori are racist.

@stevesmith1923

Ай бұрын

@@JamesFaction Honor the treaty? A document signed almost two hundred years ago which doesn't make sense?And bad health and justice outcomes are the result of the individual not racism. Take some personal responsibility and stop blaming another race for your failings.

@JamesFaction

Ай бұрын

@@stevesmith1923 "doesn't make sense". Your argument doesn't make sense. Bad health and justice outcomes are a result of poor health and justice systems that do not cater to the individual. Justice and healthcare are human rights. Not "personal responsibilities". Your Ayn Rand talking points are noted.

@stevesmith1923

Ай бұрын

@@JamesFaction If you have a healthy lifestyle you won't die young. If you don't commit crime you won't be in the justice system. It's that simple. The justice system and health care system is the same for everyone regardless of race. That is a fair system.

What's really going on? Honey moon phase coming to an end.

Can someone speak to the information that Te Pati Māori now hold a digital data base of Māori peoples?

@canecorso8251

Ай бұрын

Remember when Tamihere took MOH to court to get all Maori personal details in NZ for 'vaccination purposes'

@shauntempley9757

25 күн бұрын

@@canecorso8251 Yes. Then gave them all to the maraes those people all belonged to for access to resources. You pakeha want the information to hunt down as traitors those that voted for that party, and attack the iwi that side against the government. Just like Labour did with Ngai Tahu.

That’s why I will never change to the Maori Electorate Roll .

Grown the Trust and his own personal wealth. Everything he does is questionable.. Do not hold back you timid journos

Not to be rude but where is the Maori reo on your panel otherwuse your diacussions are in silo and in isolation, which i think might be terribly poor reporting.

Great discussion from this Victoria University Politics and Public Policy degree tutorial! Are they still taking enrollments for the second part of the year? Where's the link??? Can't seem to find it...

@jacquelynelkington5915

Ай бұрын

Hopefully there will be less bias in that discussion ay?

I just wanted to add something to your comment about the need for the Government to collect so much information to deliver targeted interventions. It seemed somewhat strange then considering the census information has identified a growing Maori population that a Government so intent on targeting interventions would then cut them. In light of the Sunday report about superannuitants being unable to thrive, seems that there is no "targeted " intervention for them either. So perhaps that isn't the reason for the data collection and excessive penalties for failing to take part.

That was very centre. I will subscribe

Too much kangaroo policy and stupid politics! Who are these activist

Maori are getting more than 20% of the budget. For example 50% of the corrections budget is spent on Maori

@Alex-it5ej

Ай бұрын

33% of beneficiary's 68% oranga tamariki... they greedy alright

Close down cow pat mari

@jacquelynelkington5915

Ай бұрын

Sorry??

Has the mainstream media picked up this story yet??

He's a crook, when living in Auckland years ago, in New Lynn John Tamihere had his hands in the till then with Waipareria trust , charges were brought against him, but I believe he settled so didnt go to court. He covers his tracks very well, he's as dodgy as they come.

🎂 Te Party is over… 🎉

What a different coverage of urgency from the baying about use of it by the previous govt. A major accusation by the current government, wasn't it? Please comment on the difference between what the urgency was used for, and the difference in reactions, in particular the sources of the criticisms?

Yes it’s normal to pass fast track. Why didn’t you say a peep when labour did this? Unlike our new govt there was no consultation. Fact check mark - labour pushed through so many sneaky undemocratic policies. New govt is brilliant.

Seems like a lot of doubling up to just create jobs for your mates, any time you double the jobs you increase the amount of money being shovelled to two Parliaments, limos, flash desks, computers, meeting rooms etc. Haven't we seen all this before?

Te Pati is Over !

teflon John perhaps ??

lefty panel

@yesterday1396

2 ай бұрын

How scary for you

@barryscott6222

2 ай бұрын

Yes, but we have always known that... And in truth, a lot less bad than they were a year ago. I specifically watched this whole thing to see what Tim said, at it is the most reasonable and restrained I have ever seen him.

@W_Bin

2 ай бұрын

Look up the difference between lefty and democratic.

@hailzreignmanga

2 ай бұрын

Look up colonialism 😂😂😂

@simplygreen5832

2 ай бұрын

@@hailzreignmanga What is Globalism?

#ExposeMDiddler

wow you guys, do not give up your day jobs, you have no talent for this

You talk too much to get to a question. Move on.

boring

BS!!!!

Woke af stream

Rawiri Waititi would STILL participate in NZ parliament as Te Pati Maori even when the Maori Parliament/Parremata/Kohuairau Upper and Lower House has been re-established?????? Hmmmmmm.....actually Waititi has that right. many maori will still OPT IN to NZ. You can't do BOTH. But many maori will stay the course as well as MANY pakeha will OPT OUT of NZ .....and OPT IN to Sovereign Authority ' Maori Parliament' probably based on Kohuiarau / Upper and Lower House. Can't wait for our Maori Rugby team to be included in RWC and will play against the NZ All Blacks. I would probably watch rugby again for that match. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. it's not the easiest to create the sovereign authority infrastructure needed to begin operating as Maori Parliament and there are many facets that would need a whole week to explain each; 2. Waititi's wife said to "overthrow" ??? which is probably being said behind their closed doors..........so really he wants to cruise in and take over the nz system as it's already created.......whereas with a maori parliament it's based on tikanga / lore.........can look like....written up similar to "legislation" just is based on the living hapū/man/woman, mana, wairua, accountability and not based on $$$$$$

@W_Bin

2 ай бұрын

The more people and groups exercising our democratic rights the better. We all need to raise our awareness and control of our government, we have forgotten that is what democracy is. Not a few unsupervised making decisions without public knowledge and consent.

@simplygreen5832

2 ай бұрын

@@W_Bin Democracy is a failed experiment along with birthright franchise. It is time for New Zealand to grow up and become a republic.

@JamesFaction

Ай бұрын

They can do both. I saw that tiktok from Waititi's wife tho, that was absolutely wild. Not good at all

Wreaks of dirty politics from the coalition western government, now is the time to enforce a separate parliament to protect our reo, tikanga, whenua and all of our taonga before these clowns try to erase us! Ka whawhai tonu matou ake ake ake!

@StGammon77

Ай бұрын

Can't you see you're being voted out?

@Alex-it5ej

Ай бұрын

Maori can't look after its own kids let alone the culture as a whole

Bit rich, its ok for governments to pull the wool over our eyes , we're taking our land as of right

@StGammon77

Ай бұрын

You sold 90% get a Pakeha education and be saved

@zackysullivan2088

Ай бұрын

It was stolen, confiscated, alienated you name it

Whats really going on with Te Pati Maori is that they've had a gutsful of this white supremacist govt shitting on everything Maori. Sheesh work it out

@elLooto

2 ай бұрын

"white supremacist" Weve heard enough from the marxists, thank you.

@brentreid7408

2 ай бұрын

I bet you can't give a single example of Maori being shat on. TPM are a bunch of brown supremacists wanting to push communist ideas. All the racism in parliament is pushed by TPM. NZF First push back hard yet the 2 leaders are Maori. Even your comments are racist. I'm Maori with a Pakeha wife. I'm sick of racist Maori.

@stevesmith1923

Ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 How many white ancestors do you have?

@user-te3jc3sl7r

Ай бұрын

And what about the other 97% of Maori who didn't vote for TPM?

@matthewtetley7048

Ай бұрын

​@@user-te3jc3sl7rProbably a fair few didn't vote at all despite advance voting being possible, others would've been split

Pakeha law sucks a big Kumara

@stevesmith1923

Ай бұрын

Which law are you talking about? All of them?

@surviveclubnz

Ай бұрын

Obviously a graduate in english!!.

@user-te3jc3sl7r

Ай бұрын

No such thing as Pakeha law. It's called NZ law.

@shauntempley9757

25 күн бұрын

@@user-te3jc3sl7r Which is Pakeha only. Been living with you brain off all this time?

They just help themselves

Yes it’s normal to pass fast track. Why didn’t you say a peep when labour did this? Unlike our new govt there was no consultation. Fact check mark - labour pushed through so many sneaky undemocratic policies. New govt is brilliant.

How can they call it a pakeha parliament? That is extremely racist. And why don’t you three leftie blobs relay the truth. There is more Māori cabinet members in the new govt than ever ever before.

@shauntempley9757

25 күн бұрын

Pakeha make the rules. Just like they did 10 years ago stealing the foreshore and seabed, and now struggling to find clean drinking water anywhere in the land, so now you pakeha are throwing a tantrum because all your stuff is falling apart, and you did not want the other side to pay to do the work, and build it right without Maori help. So now, you have the side that will let all you stuff rot to nothing, then sell it all off for their pay when it needs rebuilding, all because you are too damned ashamed of living in a land shared by another people for 184 years, and wish they would go off to a corner and go extinct for your convenience, then try to steal their rights under that document as identity theft, because you know they will not go off to a corner and die off.