So there you have it - 40mm tyres might just be the fastest on gravel. But what's your favoured setup? Do you rock big-fat 650b tyres or skinny 700's, or something different altogether? Let us know below!

@area4race

5 жыл бұрын

I like a Continental Trailking 2,4 in the Front and a Mountainking 2,3 in the back. Change the forks for some 160mm Rock shox Pike and shredd some Enduro Trails :D

@chris_noswe

5 жыл бұрын

2.0 Conti Race King on mine.

@maniac0303

5 жыл бұрын

I miss a tire like a Schwalbe Thunder Burt Evolution in 650b in 2.1" in the test. Could they do the job better?

@lilwillie428

5 жыл бұрын

I don’t like changing tubeless tires for the 1 or 2 gravel races a year, so I go with clement/ Donnelly pdx. Pump them up to like 50psi and you’re off to the races

@charliemichael804

5 жыл бұрын

I’m riding 650b rims with 47c wtb horizons. However, I’m on the road 90% of the time with a ton of twigs, leaves, and other debris. So the wider tire gives me more comfort and speed than my 28mm tires.

I know you state that you wanted to try a narrow, heavily treaded tyre vs a wider, low tread tyre... However a better test would be the same tyre/tread pattern, but in different widths, to see what effect the width has on rough and slippery terrain.

Thoughtful video. I could be a prat and ask for more tests at different pressures with different treads, but you've chosen and explained why you chose the pressures and the treads concerned and outlined advantages and disadvantages. Not tried to extrapolate beyond the limits of the test. Very honest. I learned something and enjoyed it.

Enjoyed this video! Clear, concise and great editing. Nice to see the different treads in one place. I ride 38mm Schwalbe G1 on mixed terrain. Love em!

I use the Maxxis All-Terrain for Cx racing... don’t have multiple tires, so it did get used from early to late season in the PNW. Been very happy with them!

Excellent test and video.

Great question and excellent experimentation. Well done BikeRadar! 👏🏻

Love the video. Well though out challenges, bringing as many constants into the game as possible. One rider, multiple runs, same brakes. Opting for equal tire tension is a great choice as well. I think GCN did similar tests with equal pressure before, which was just impractical. Currently looking to get a some 42 mm tires that handle well on mud. Most gravel tires seem to not do well there.

Nice idea and perspective approach like this whole concept wow just wow. Not just brand vs brand love like this video!!

Hmmm... I think there is a big oversight in this test. A more appropriate test would be of a tire set across sizes that has the same exact tire tread pattern and tire casing. Then, and only then, can you eliminate the issue of comparing various tread and casings, i.e., oversize 650b tires to narrower but larger diameter treaded 700c tires. Maybe next time BR can test with with, say, Soma Fab Cazadero 700c x 50, 700c x 42, and 650b x 42 tires, all with the same tread and casing. Just my 2 cents...

@franmcgowan4068

5 жыл бұрын

The premise in the title is "narrower treadier tyre vs wider but less treaded tyre".

@xaviermelendez2639

4 жыл бұрын

@@franmcgowan4068 Uhm, yeah, that was my original point regarding premise, "big oversight in this test... a more appropriate test would be...". Hence, as I proposed, the test (and subsequent title) should be different.

Fascinating stuff. Nice work.

I started running 700x40c Ramblers in the rear and 650x2.1 Thunder Burts in the front. My favorite combo by far.

Thanks for the Video! Just bought myself an Open U.P. frameset so the Ramblers will most likely come on my off road wheelset.

Well done, guys. Great topic ... great testing .

My current set up is a 29x2.1 Maxxis Crossmark front with the stock 700x42 WTB Resolute rear. Works fine for me and does really well on road to gravel to trail rides.

As always this videos well researched and presented but for me anyway there's one thing that I really would conciser with a gravel tire, and that's how it performs on either smooth or quite choppy roads to get to the forestry tracks or mellow trails like what you see in this video. For that reason I feel the 650b Re-fuse over a ride that I might do half on the road and half off road would probably be what my choice out of the 3 tires on the test as in my mind at least I can see it being a lot faster and easier on road sections :)

@CanIHasThisName

5 жыл бұрын

Re-Fuse is slower than the Rambler. It's a training tyre built for durability while the Rambler is a performance racing tyre that mixes great speed with very respectable handling off road. Even in 40mm, Re-Fuse is still heavier than Rambler. The 2" Re-Fuse is a comfort tyre, meant for those who want to smoothen out bumpy roads. Perhaps even an excelent tyre for commuting when you ride over lots of cobbles. It's main strength is in endurance, it should last about twice as long as Ramblers do.

What do you think of those MCFK? i've the 45mm and i use them on road, i'm a bit affraid of going gravel with a wheelset that weight only 1340g....

I love that you’re testing gravel tyres and I hope you do more!! But I don’t feel this experiment quite tested what you set out to test. I don’t think comparing a 650b slick to 700C treaded tyres is a good comparison to test your null hypothesis (for example Ho: slick is faster than tread). If anything I feel that this test shows the difference between a 33mm and 40mm treaded tyre, albeit with different treads moreso than slick bs tread since we can’t know how the 650 format effects the results. I’d love to a similar test using something like panaracer tubeless Gravel king and Gravel King SKs since the casings are the same and they’re available in several widths and they’re both hugely popular tyres.

What's so difficult about using si-units... psi, mm, inch... you are confusing me! And many physicians 😋

@zwergstein2152

5 жыл бұрын

mm is si

Good test. I use WTB Cross Boss 35mm on Hunt Mason X 4 season. I like the Cross Boss because of the relatively tall side wall but narrowish tread but this is because I ride mostly mild gravel or mud (with tarmac in between sections). I will also try Resolute 42 when I can finally find a set in tanwell!

I've had a good experience with 700x32c Ritchey Speedmax Cross. As my gravel/singletrack/rough stuff tires. They plow through mud, gravel, muck with no problem and aren't bad on tarmac pumped up near the max psi. I ran them as my only tire for a couple months with no problem. They are good on singletrack short of anything too technical or rocky. They are relegated back to a singletrack/gravel tire now. I run 700x32 Michelin Protek Cross as my daily tire now as most of my riding is tarmac and stone trails.

Fantastic video as always. Question, how does inner rim width affect tires of different widths? Please provide the link to the video if you have previously answered the question. Thanks.

I've run everything from a 36mm to 42mm, and my current favorite is the WTB Resolute 42 (they actually measure ~44mm on a 20.3mm rim) - excellent grip in dry and loose gravel, even a little singletrack, but is still very fast on asphalt, hardpack and climbs extremely well. How did the wheel/tire weights compare between the three setups? Something else to consider: In your time/power test, why not normalize and use energy to calculate efficiency -> E=P x t If you do this, you get:All Terrane: 247.934 kJ; Rambler: 241.638 kJ; Re-Fuse: 247.489 kJ By this calculation, the Re-Fuse is actually more efficient than the All Terrane.

@CanIHasThisName

5 жыл бұрын

Hands down, WTB Resolute is currently my favourite all-rounder tyre. Handles well on everything from powdery dry to sliding wet (including wet rocks). And honestly in many situations it does what I'd expect from a MTB tyre, not a 42mm gravel.

@8888swatt

5 жыл бұрын

Second that, you should normalise your results for power

@xaviermelendez2639

5 жыл бұрын

For sure the WTB Resolute 700x42 and also the WTB Riddler 700x45 are really great tires. They are representative of the relatively new breed of gravel tires that really perform well across all sorts of off-road terrain. They also do quite well on road, so no worries there. My only gripe, if any, would be the quick wear of the treads. The tread blocks tend to start rounding and tearing on the edges, at least for the style of riding I do out on the Front Range around Boulder. Just my 2 cents...

@CanIHasThisName

5 жыл бұрын

@@xaviermelendez2639 If you like 45mm tyres, Maxxis should release the Rambler 700x45c in a few months (officially confirmed by email, said they aim for middle of Q2 2019).

@xaviermelendez2639

5 жыл бұрын

@@CanIHasThisName Cool, Maxxis are quality product, be great to have more tire options. My current set-up of choice for the Boulder front range (we do all sorts of mixed terrain out here... rolling gravel, single track, steep climbs, rocks, mud, snow, sand, etc.) is the SOMA Fabrications Cazadero 700x50 up front and 700x42 rear (both installed as tubeless). It's a super tire combo for sure, and the extra tire volume and size up front is bomber on the rowdy descents in the foothills. Pretty much able to drop most other riders going downhill and through tech sections in the area ;-)

I built a custom steel bike around Schwalbe G-One liteskin 60mm 700c set up tubeless after reading bicyclerollingresistance test, for training, traveling and commuting. I haven't yet tried other tires on that bike, but this setup is great! Rolls so well that I can ride with a road peloton just about as fast (looses some aero going faster), but makes cobbles feel like tarmac. I ride 20psi (offroad) to 35 psi if it's asphalt only with a peloton. If I'm alone I ride asphalt with 25psi and at some 250w I can get 33kph avg. I don't have a power meter on that bike but it's based on feel, same on a road bike gives me some 1 to 2 kph more. When I go on dirt/gravel roads sometimes I wish I had more grip. On very steep climbs I've skid rear tire and had to walk, and also go back down very slowly. But those are places I wish I was on a full suspension bike too, so overall it's fine. As I've ridden this bike more on asphalt than dirt, and roads here are crap, I think they are great! I will still try some Conti Race King racesport on it. I also think that for this kind of bike one should not bother going narrower if your bike has enough clearance unless it's a race and you have deep and wide rims. I'd stay comfy. As there's no gravel racing where I live there's no point for a bike such as 3T exploro with narrow tires or anything similar. But something similar could be a good choice as a do it all bike if you want to double it as a road bike by swapping 28mm slicks in. As I got a road bike already, no point, but a friend of mine has just got a gravel bike with this intention, as he wanted to go disc anyway, so why not have clearance for 45mm tires and have both?

I think it would be interesting to see the outcome of a test between 38mm, 40mm, and 42mm 700c's. I think you might be able to accomplish this with Panaracer Gravel King SK's which is one of the more popular gravel tires.

It would be interesting to know what the measured widths of all those tyres were when inflated at those pressures. Also what was the change in diameter (and thus circumference) of those options?

Excellent video

On my Devinci Hatchet I run 32c or 38c Panaracer Gravel Kings, or 45c Maxxis Ramblers. This bike doubles as a roadbike. It's been a really fun setup that lets me go fast across even a broken paved road on the 32c's, still retain confidence on gravel and dirt with the 38's, or toss on the 45c's, and do road, hard gravel, or even hit the single track when I feel like my full suspension bike will be a bit too plush.

Hi Ruben, I like all your video! In this test what do you think if you use also a 29x2.35 xc tire? In your opinion cuold be more quick that the rumbler 700x40?

thought you were going to test the g-one? i wonder how much difference compound/casing makes. with the g-one you'd have eliminated that. have you done a similar test with them?

Would be interesting to compare identical tires between 650b and 700c to take that difference out of the equation. On the roll down test in particular.

i've been using specialized pathfinder pro tyres, 700c 42mm they are good for all off road terrain so long as it isn't muddy and really fast on tarmac and also offer decent puncture protection, i have tried lots of different tyres and i have to say the pathfinders are the best all rounders i have tried by a large margin if you are testing gravel tyres i would like to see you test them on tarmac, the whole idea of a gravel bike to me is it should be a solid all rounder not just good off road and the tyre should be the same

Cool comparo! What would be better for paved surfaces of the tires tested? I ride a lot of mixed surfaces and I’m trying to find the right tire and size so I can maximize grip on the loose stuff but not have rolling resistance from the paved stuff. Any insights?

Great info

Wish you'd controlled for weight. The Re-fuse is 450g (1lb) of rotating mass heavier than the ramblers. Should have found some lighter 650b tires, or used 700c slicks.

I'd go with volume over tread just about everywhere except proper muddy Conditions. Its surprising what you can do on a big volume minimal tread tyre. I use WTB Horizon 650x47c, but have changed to 650x33c Clement MXP for some winter cx type stuff.

Obviously it depends on the terrain/day a LOT, but I like to have my tires setup somewhat similar to what I do on my mountain bike: knobbier on the front for cornering/traction, and smoother on the back for faster rolling. Something like a Challenge GG, or even Gravelking out back, then a Vittoria Terreno or Griffo up front.

excellent work with tire tension but TPI and weight also can make a big difference. any stiff, heavy , low TPI tire is slow.

I use my gravel bike on 80% tarmac: I thus use the REFUSE. Does this sound right?

You should do the same test using the re fuse in all three sizes to judge the effect of volume overall.

Thanks for doing this. It doesn't answer all the questions, but it adds some useful information on this subject. My own perspective is that comfortable and safe descending on rough gravel roads trumps everything, including speed. How about some testing on the same tire, whether 40mm 700's or 50mm 650's, at various inflations? I'm assuming that descending on 50mm 650s at 20psi would be slower but more comfortable and give more control than 27psi. Yes? No?

2.2% - 3.5% difference between the 650 and the Rambler. I accept that for more comfort.

I really like Clement (donelly) Xplor mso tires I like the 36c tubeless but 40c is more supple and seals almost as good. I set ‘em all up ghetto tubeless 25-38 psi depending on how rough. Ive also liked WTB Nano 40c, thats a solid tire also. All these tires have been used on rocky technical singletrack on an old steel ‘cross bike.

Riding gravel on WTB 700 x 40c Nano

@chronometa

2 жыл бұрын

That's about the size I'm shooting for or even 700x45c-50c but for electric bike though. Should be good for roads too I assume.

Very interesting 👍

With these tests I imagine the order of tires is a variable, as well. The last tire used would conceivably benefit from slightly refined lines from course familiarity/more efficient. Otherwise excellent video, thanks!

This was a great test. Can you do another one repeated now a year on because of new advancements and with a year's more experience. Do you still feel the same way and in the tests are the ramblers still the best a year later?

How do you call this particular combination of person's voice and the sound background, which effects in problems in understanding what he says?

High volume with aggressive treads are the way I usually go. I tend to like 650b's with Maxxis Icons but I do usually ride aggressive single track and gnarly gravel.

can you possible expand this test for all terrains? not just normal gravel but including garnlier gravel as well as paved roads? i struggle to find a single video that attempts to find the best kind of all terrain tire out there.

@bikeradar, what about taking that fastest tread and testing over different sizes? Nice work.

I run Specialized Tracer 700 x 38 (39.2 measured on 21.5mm rims) on my 29er, that I ride thru a "State Park" nearby. 40% road/40% singletrack/20% fire road.

@wakeawaken430

3 жыл бұрын

Just switched from 29/2.1" to 700/38c and i love it

My personal favourite for general use is the Clement MSO in a 700 x40. Good grip on dry / loose surfaces and no slouch on tarmac. Not much use on mud though.

@zehraozcan967

5 жыл бұрын

5tyi

@rollinrat4850

5 жыл бұрын

Ditto about the mud and the Xplors!! Just last week I had my wheels jammed in my frame, had to hike 1/2 mile carrying a now 80 lb. pile of mud. 10 lbs of mud on each shoe! I changed to Clement PDXs and hey! Mud tires work! Im avoiding that particular mud pit though!! It wont stop raining here!

The Rambler are definitely the golden standard for gravel. Love mines!!

@CanIHasThisName

5 жыл бұрын

If you find yourself riding a lot of terrain and have the clearance, give WTB Resolute a try. I loved the Rambler and I love Resolute so much more.

Volume any day and with the right frame you can have both.i use panaracer 27.5 x 1.9 they are quite draggy on tar but awesome on gravel .

Nice clip mate! I'm currently running 38 Gravel Kings, but find they don't absorb the beating from thick gravel. I'm looking into the Ramblers myself, just waiting for them to come out with tan walls.

Hi, I ride a Specialized Tarmac SL6 DISC with DT SWISS r470 DB rims. I'd like to do some gravel riding, which tyre would you recommend for those rims. Thanks.

@awesomesloppyjoe

5 жыл бұрын

If you are over 170 lbs don't ride gravel on a Tarmac. It is not designed for that. I would go with 30/32 mm rubaix pro tires with lower pressure.

For me, the result is no surprise. Most of the time the golden middle ist best. I ride some 35mm Schwalbe G-One Skinwalls. They roll great an tarmac an hard pack, which is most of my riding.

33mm with low knobs seem to hit sweet spot for me with road, gravel and muddy loamy gloop.

@W1DO

4 жыл бұрын

@alan bane ...as long as 33c doesnt defeat the purpose of a gravel bike by reducing to 0psi 5 times a ride :)

Panaraver Gravel kings (smooth gravel/all round) and Panaracer Gravel King II (rough gravel)

Terrene Elwood 47c, best of both worlds (esp. light casing)

I would love to see a review of the newish Voodoo gravel bike sold through Halfords. Seems an absolute bargain commuter at a glance, especially considering Halfords sales, plenty of complimentary write ups about the Voodoo MTBs, but very little about their gravel bike.

What about on tarmac? very few gravel races I've been in have 100% gravel. They have tarmac links

@CanIHasThisName

5 жыл бұрын

Tarmac is pretty much never considered, unless it's some kind of a speciality race. Some gravel races even have a limit on how much tarmac can there be. And even if there was 30% tarmac, it would not make sense to adjust tyres because of it. It's off-road where poor choice of tyres hurts the most.

@davethedogdude

5 жыл бұрын

FWIW, my experience is that ramblers are good on tarmac, yes my 40mm ramblers are slower then my 32mm slicks on tarmac, but not by a huge amount. I would consider them a good all around tire.

What is the best tire for a wet pavement road?

I just put on a pair of 700c x 45 Riddlers on my gravel bike. I am looking forward to (I hope) a more comfortable ride

Is tire weight mentioned? Did I miss it? Seems like it’s a big factor that is left out.

3 of us were on 700x33 , fairly similar ability , usually finish rides within sight of each other, a few months ago one went to 38, the other to 40mm , i stuck with 33, now i struggle to keep up and always finish last, i was wondering what was happening, Logic says the narrow tyre should be faster........maybe not !!!

I am 6ft 1. Old and not racing. Do u think a 650b. Would not make it that much harder to peddle up hill. But be a little more comfortable on my back and just ride smoother. Was worried adout 650b being way more hard to peddle but from your article it looks kind of close ??????

@reubenbakker-dyos8561

5 жыл бұрын

Walter Kasper if comfort is your main priority then I’d recommend bigger volume for sure

@jamesowen418

5 жыл бұрын

I doubt you'll notice any difference in the energy needed to pedal along with 650b wheels, I can tell you that what you WILL notice is the difference a bigger volume tyre at a lower pressure will make to comfort.

If your on mud you need a thinner tire on the front to cut down into the mud and too the more solid stuff . A wider tire will slip around on top, I prefer a wider tire on the rear where most of the weight is. 35×700c on the front and 47×700c on the rear works for me on and off road. Also mud and gravel .

Very interesting test, thank you! In all of the controversy about tire size and p.s.i. these days, weight is often overlooked, as it was here. When you ride a bike, your speed never remains constant, therefore, you need to accelerate the bike thousands of times per ride. Every extra gram on the perimeter of a wheel inhibits acceleration. I assume the big 650b tire was heavier than the 700x40mm one, and I wonder if that's the main reason it was slower than the other tires in "real world" type riding.

@deverenfogle3201

4 жыл бұрын

Biketube Brand #wheeldiameter

As usually, a nice and informative video, but the background sound is really districting...

@nickisauer9626

3 жыл бұрын

Horrible

I use a shwalbe landcruiser a 40 mm the front and a 47 on the rear and run them on 50 psi on all tarain, these tires are smooth on the road and grip like glue off road and are good value.

I'm currently running WTB Riddler 45mm on my Trek Checkpoint, although they actually measure 42-43mm on the stock rims. The factory supplied Schwalbe G One 35mm are superior for riding around town and on dirt roads but beat the hell out of me on the long rocky descents in the our local mountains.

@CanIHasThisName

5 жыл бұрын

Same experience with the Riddler. Even though the width is less than 45mm, the actual volume is equivalent to a theoretical 45mm tyre. Beware, my Riddlers lasted only about 1200km. After that, the rear thread was pretty much worn, extremely prone to punctures, and it was impossible to seal punctures with plugs. Had to replace it.

Slick tires on loose dirt roads requires different bike handling, otherwise you may loose traction and wipe out. Tire quality is not just about speed. Not crashing, having a comfortable ride are important factors. Also, doing tests on curvy dirt trails is hard to compare as just a change in line or area of trail ridden can affect times. See rockbarcycling for more information on training.

great video: which bike make and model is this ??

@reubenbakker-dyos8561

5 жыл бұрын

Cyclegeek Open UPPER

Thanks for the video BikeRadar. I ride about 80% to 90% road/tarmac and 10% to 20% fire roads and single track...anybody have a good tire/tyre suggestion for me for the riding I'm doing? I'm liking the Mavic AllRoad tires at 30mm and 35mm. Also, I wish the bike industry would copy the motorcycle industry when describing dual use tires, For example; "A 80/20 road and dirt tire" meaning it is a tire mostly for the road (80%) and a bit of dirt (20%). Thanks for any replies/suggestions/help. Cheers!

I have the roadie soul, but I don't feel that much bad now about having taken the vittoria terreno dry 40c's into my gravel bike (it still looks weird, that much rubber right at my face)

Yes but this only tests maxxis tyres...I ride gravelkings in 35mm(Come up at 38mm) and find they are ideal for 95% of the terrain I ride on.

This is so funny! Like watching the birth of Mountain Biking, when there are already Mountain Bikes.

@deverenfogle3201

4 жыл бұрын

lloyd M this comment should totally win the internet! I like running my 700c wide tires for mix road riding and light fire roads. But trying to turn a drop bar bike into an MTB using 650b is still so confusing to me. If I want to hit some trails I’ll just ride my 29er with as wide of tire as I want. It’s still faster and more stable than these 650b gravel bikes.

I guessed the results beforehand, but only with my experience with the CX tires vs a gravel tire, in my case Clement MXPs vs Clement X'Plor MSO 40c. Personally, I feel like 650b and Allroad+ or whatever its called is a bit of a gimmick and a way for manufactures to sell more bikes with the exception of maybe bike packing, but I always knew gravel tires were better than CX tires........for gravel.

How about pavement? Is the refuse faster on pavement?

I just use schwalbe Durano DD ride roads gravel, forest tracks mud etc no problem my only puncture on a road where the hedges had just be flailed, the tyres lasted over 7k kms

@larsborgman3443

5 жыл бұрын

for me as well, as long as they are pumped up well enough nothing is going to puncture

I don't ride in the wet so can only speak for dry conditions, tread is not required for grip in the dry. I can get up steep loose climbs with 38c Gravel King Slicks just as well as on my mountain bike with 2.4 inch treaded tyres. You have to apply the power a lot smoother and stay seated of course. The fastest tyre in the dry will be the one with no tread and the most supple sidewalls. Big Maxis fan boy for MTB tyres, but Maxis don't make gravel tyres with very supple sidewalls. Panaracer all the way for gravel. Silca have the best online tool for ideal tyre pressure.

So what happens if my gravel bike max is the same for both 650b and 29er tires. In my case 2.1" is the widest tire I can run on either size.

@deverenfogle3201

4 жыл бұрын

Mellissa Nash Run the 29’s, at the same size the diameter of the 29 will always be faster than a 650b!

@mellissanash7517

4 жыл бұрын

@@deverenfogle3201 What about for climbing? I know for handling the 650b would be slightly better due to a slightly lower bottom bracket, but also increased chance of pedal strike.

@deverenfogle3201

4 жыл бұрын

Mellissa Nash The bb would likely be higher with your 29” wheels. If you want more cushion and want to have more grip when you don’t want to travel fastest, then the wider 650b’s would be fine. But they simply aren’t as fast as 29” wheels. Which is why an MTB is the best all arounder, and generally beats gravel bikes in everything except for riding on pavement, or smooth gravel roads. If you want more cushion and to roll fast a normal 29’er MTB is better.

@mellissanash7517

4 жыл бұрын

@@deverenfogle3201 on my bike 2.1 is max for 29 wheels and 2.2 for 650b so essentially the same.

@deverenfogle3201

4 жыл бұрын

Mellissa Nash In that case just worry about the 29” wheels. They’ll be better than 650b in all respects... :) Have fun with buying tires!

Like for mud saddle and changing tubeless tyres on mud terrain.

Great test, I was waiting for it! Its a shame though that there was no paved road test. I wonder what would be faster Re-fuse or Ramblers. I am looking for a gravel tire that rolls well on the paved road, but is still decent on the gravel.

@ez2remember82

5 жыл бұрын

Ziemowit try schwalbe g one allround. I ride a trek procaliber turned into a drop bar with rigid fork. 29”x2.25. They make it in all different sizes. The only time I notice grip issues is turning at intersections out in the country above about 12mph. It can get a bit dicey if the gravel is really loose since there are no side biters.

@CL-dh2mf

5 жыл бұрын

Hi there!I like Panaracer Gravel King SK for doing 50/50 road/offroad and WTB Riddler if going more offroad like 30/70. Superb video btw, i enjoy your gravel content especially. Cheers from Germany!

@HOllyBOni

5 жыл бұрын

Panaracer GravelKing SK or the above mentioned G-One Allround. I love the SKs, they're amazing tyres.

@CanIHasThisName

5 жыл бұрын

I honestly think that Rambler would be faster. Rambler is a very light racing tyre while the Re-Fuse is a durable training tyre and is heavier despite the file thread.

@simondawson8493

5 жыл бұрын

I did 30 miles on Ramblers on tarmac last week, when my planned gravel ride got washed out in a storm, they were fine. pumped up to 40psi they rolled well and were virtually silent. I was surprised how good they were, as they has been great on mud the day before.

What races do you do Reuben?

@reubenbakker-dyos8561

5 жыл бұрын

This year I've raced Grinduro Scotland, Gritfest and Duke's Weekender. I did the 2016 Dirty Kanza, 2017 Dirty Reiver as well as several other non-race gravel rides. I'd love to head back to the States and do more there!

@Richz2

5 жыл бұрын

@@reubenbakker-dyos8561 A good mix...

29er frame drop bars and wider gravel 700c or narrow xc tyres. ...See my kona honzo carbon gravel bike in my build vid.

Coincidentally I was considering the Ramblers for Dirty Reiver (vs GKSKs) so helps a lot, thanks Male and female winner at Dirty aKanza this year as well But they are much more expensive.....

@ellismccoy

5 жыл бұрын

Dirty reiver is why I'm here also!

@johnstorey4298

5 жыл бұрын

Me three!

This test is problematic to interpret, because the tires differ in more ways than just size and tread pattern. In particular, the Re-Fuse is a significantly beefier tire than the Rambler. I actually wouldn't be surprised if a 40mm Rambler is faster on pavement than a 40mm Re-Fuse; tough protection layers can sometimes burn one or two mph off a "road" tire, especially when they're pumped squishy for unpaved riding.

@bradcomis1066

5 жыл бұрын

Yes it would have been nice if they would have shown some analysis of the tire construction or if they could have normalized the level of protection layers and rubber compounds across all the tires. So many variables there.

@CanIHasThisName

5 жыл бұрын

If Rambler 40 isn't faster than Re-Fuse 40, it is at least the same, but handles much better off road. Re-Fuse is a durable training tyre, while the Rambler is a full-on racing tyre. As long as 40mm is sufficient volume for you, Rambler is probably the fastest jack-of-all-trades tubeless tyre currently on the market. As light as many 33mm CX tyres, braking and off-road traction way ahead of G-One (not to mention still lighter). The strength of Re-Fuse is in the wear resistance - it should theoretically last twice as much distance as the Rambler.

@christineoreilly3926

5 жыл бұрын

Hgb by

Back to the start after watching this video 🤷👍🚴

On gravel it's the volume and subsequent lower pressure that gets you more grip.

Not a whole lot of difference in reality but the different tread features will undoubtedly shine for the conditions they were designed. If you're not racing....

650b 2.1 is like floating on gravel road

@xaviermelendez2639

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. You should also consider 700x50. There are a few new tires out there that fit the bill. I'm shredding my local trails on Soma Fabs Cazadero 700x50 and they are bomber!

@W1DO

4 жыл бұрын

@@xaviermelendez2639 my new gravel bike (in my build vid) fits 3" front and 2.6" rears.... all you need is a carbon mtb frame :)

Thanks, interesting video. After making sure there's enough mud clearance I've found that matching tyre construction, of which tread pattern is part, is really key. Currently I run 650B's for clearance and a greater range of tyre choices. In the dry and smooth it's 2.1 Thunderburts, wet winter slop 2.0 Triggers and rocky/shoulder season/everything else it's 2.1 Mezcals. The 'burts are fastest but terrifying/entertaining off-road in the wet and pick up punctures if they look at rocks. The Triggers are like tractor tyres and with extra clearance will get through most things, including along the Ridgeway last April bit.ly/2zJzd3E. While the Mezcal's are popular with the Tour Divide crowd and did me just fine for part one, up to Manchester, of my off-road LEJOG odyssey bit.ly/2AZIOn0 . No tyre is any good if it picks up punctures, causes you to fall off or you can't turn the pedals because of clogging in the conditions in which you are riding. Choosing is part of the fun ...

dont know, itś not a fair test. Should have been testing the same tire with different widths. The Ramblers are one of the fastest gravel tires. Sometimes im using 42C Smart Samas, and those are slow as F compared to 40C Ramblerś

Wtb nano 40mm

What's everyone's view on 1 x10 for gravel bikes? I'm seriously considering 1x10. I currently run 2x8.

@CanIHasThisName

5 жыл бұрын

I'd personally suggest 1x11, as I don't think 1x10 makes much sense nowadays because of pricing. I say that assuming you would not want to use an 11-34 cassette, as that would give you a very poor range of gears. I personally would consider 11-40 to be the minimum for a 1x gravel bike. You could use Tiagra 4700 shifters (which are designed for the same actuation ratio as 11 speed groupsets) paired with Ultegra R8000 or Ultegra RX800 derailleur, both of which will handle 11-40 cassettes (although Shimano doesn't state that officially, the construction of the derailleur is sufficient for that range, I've tested it personally and have it equipped on my bike right now). You may then get an 11-40 10sp MTB cassette. The 105 R7000 derailleur should also work for 11-40, but I have not tested that. But honestly, as i already mentioned, it's not worth it. 10 speed 11-40 cassettes are just as expensive as 11speed, if not more. You may think one extra gear isn't a big deal, but trust me, it does make a lot of difference, especially on an 11-40 cassette. Shimano 105 R7000 levers can be found for the same price as Tiagra 4700 levers (not always as whole set, but left and right lever separately). And you will need a derailleur from an 11sp groupset either way, unless you get a Road Link (which isn't guaranteed to work flawlessly, although many people have success with it) or Tanpan, which is overpriced as hell if you ask me. Or alternatively, you can go SRAM. Also, if you're using mechanical brakes, 11 speed levers pull more cable than 10 speed levers, which makes setting brakes up much easier. One advantage Tiagra 4700 has over 11 speed groupsets is that it moves across 10 gears with the same actuation ratio, meaning it pulls more cable per shift, which results in a more reliable and precise shifting off-road, as well as easier adjustment. The difference isn't game breaking, but it's there and I find that Tiagra 4700 shifts absolutely fine even if it's not adjusted 100% right and from my own experience, it may shift kinda fine even with a slightly bent derailleur hanger.

We have the metric system. Would like to see it used. 👍🏻

@smalerider1727

5 жыл бұрын

Gravel racing/riding most popular in the United states, to hell with metric!

@chris_noswe

5 жыл бұрын

@@smalerider1727 Cycling is more popular in Europe :))))))))))))

@AdrianHansenBikes

5 жыл бұрын

It’s a comparative test, so not super important. He could have used some multiplier of his beard length as the basis for comparison and it would have been equally valid. Maybe moreso, given it’s a gravel video lol

@roxic1212

5 жыл бұрын

Ummm nope, I dont agree

@rollinrat4850

5 жыл бұрын

Its basic math to do conversions. Have a calculator? Theres conversion tables online. I can convert back and forth in my head. 1”= 25.4mm 1mm= (.03937)inches.

let test mix of tires in front and rear. For example tread in front, volume in rear or vise versa)

@reubenbakker-dyos8561

5 жыл бұрын

Interestingly the winner of Gritfest this year was on a hardtail mountain bike with a big volume slick rear and a more treaded front tyre so you might be on to something!

@CanIHasThisName

5 жыл бұрын

Once you start mixing tyres, it's less about how the tyres perform in that combination and more about how the rider handles those tyres.

@lisapet160

5 жыл бұрын

When no long tarmac anticipated, but the technical stretches are: agressively threaded 27.5/F and file-pattern threaded 700c/R work for me fine.