Too many variables. A perfect test would be to use 2 identical cars(or the same car) launching from identical locations, probably a dry spot in the road. Love the test though.

@ALMX5DP

2 жыл бұрын

They do what they can with the vehicles, tires and conditions they have. If you want more instrumented type tests, Tyre Reviews is a great channel.

@mikel2887

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, this is compare apples to zucchini IMO

@calebbryan8600

2 ай бұрын

read this comment and decided not to watch the video. Thanks for saving me 10 minutes of my life.

After driving from Toronto to NYC in a blizzak with snow tires (hakkapeliitta r2) I will never drive without dedicated winter tires again. They were absolutely amazing while other cars were stuck on the highway I had no issues. Safety first !

I'd like to see a test between 3 peak rated All terrains and 3 peak snow tires on a small to mid size SUV . Would also be good to see how full size trucks stop compared to cars/suvs.

@tylough

2 жыл бұрын

I don't have any hard numbers or video to share but I've got a 2010 V6 AWD RAV4 with 3 peak A/T Yokohama Geolander G015 that I run 9 or 10 months a year. Then I switch to the Firestone Winterforce UV winter tires for real winter in January/February. For Fluffy or Slushy snow the A/T Yokohama do fine. When things get packed down and icy or just straight up icy are when the dedicated winter Winterforce tires start to show a significant traction advantage over the A/T tires. The softer rubber and more siping are what allows dedicated winter tires to "shine" when roads get icy and shiny. For reference I've driven through out Michigan and through Wisconsin to Upper Michigan. So even a budget winter tire is better when things get icy.

@MrKleru

2 жыл бұрын

Snow tested, light offroading and hauling😀

this review puts regular all seasons in a better light than most considering those pilot sport all season 4 tires are one of the best uhp a/s tires i've seen tested in the snow... the delta would be far larger with other all season tires for sure.

three identical car, one with all season tires, one with all weather tires and one with winter tires would be a great test

@prism8289

Жыл бұрын

Ya, this test is useless.

@francoisloriot2674

Жыл бұрын

what is the difference between all season and all weather tire?

@ballstein30

Жыл бұрын

@@francoisloriot2674 all weather is snow rated. It has the snow flakes sign on the tire sidewall. Look for the Michelin cross climate 2 reviews.

@francoisloriot2674

Жыл бұрын

@@ballstein30 their naming does not make much sense. a tire cannot be very good in snow and very good on dry. here in Quebec by law in winter we must have what we call winter tires and police look for that snow flake on the side. so your definition is confusing to me...

Studless Snow and Ice tires (e.g. Blizzak) are the best for winter weather diving performance and safety in a mix of conditions. I have been running them since the mid-90's and highly recommend them. I have them mounted on winter wheels, so I can switch over to the most appropriate tires for the conditions. I usually swap out wheel and tire sets in the Fall and Spring. There is a bit of extra financial cost to this, but far less than those from a collision. The tire tread that connects your vehicle to the road is one of the most important parts. Stay safe, live long, and prosper.

@mrdark9916

Жыл бұрын

I use blizzaks as well. Except mine are studded AND syped. And man are they awesome lol

@mrdark9916

Жыл бұрын

And I live in North Idaho, hard winters here and extreme conditions. And I drive FWD, for what it's worth lol after 40 years of long 3:30am commutes to work 50 miles per day, before snow plows are even out I've found it to be the best by far for maintaining control and stopping on time when every inch counts

When I first moved to NH, I had a FWD Mitsubishi Diamanté. I put Nokian snow tires on it each winter and never had any trouble going or stopping. Since then, I’ve had AWD cars and I’ve used all season tires on them again without problems. I will say that I never let my tires get old so they always have good rubber and tread.

I use a fully dedicated snow tire for winter driving. They are simply the best. Todays snow tires are far superior in performance. Especially in braking which is the most important factor. A very good set of snow tires cost about $800-1’000. They are worth every penny. One minor fender bender will cost at least that much. And in a traffic ticket, an accident report, and most likely an increase in auto insurance. A full set of dedicated snow tires is the safest for driving in winter conditions. Snow tires are so much better than any other tire type, that many countries “by law” require snow tires during the winter.

A dedicated winter tire like a Bridgestone Blizzak or Michelin X-Ice would make for a much better comparo. As honestly mentioned in vid the Cross Climate 2 is not a dedicated winter tire even though it has a mountain symbol, it's essentially an enhanced traction all-season tire. It lacks the softer rubber compound of a dedicated winter tire which would increase traction further reducing stopping distance.

@smrtguy77777

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah those tires are better but I would go with these just to avoid switching tires every season!

@apocalypse487

2 жыл бұрын

I think Tyre Reviews did this test. Summer vs AS vs Winter in the snow. Similar test with RWD, FWD, and AWD.

@666dynomax

Жыл бұрын

There ok when new after the first winter or two there’s no better than any other tires. Studded tires are magical if you can take the noise!!!!

As you made somewhat clear from your mention of snow(ish) tires in the title, Michelin considers the tires you tested to be "all-season". They're reasonably good in snow for all-season tires, but they're still a big step down from dedicated snow tires. If you run the test with real snows vs. real all-seasons, there will be a significant difference, especially in the braking test.

@phild9813

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this point bears repeating. There is no current substitute for true snow tires!

@onefastboi14

2 жыл бұрын

This is the truth!! I’ve actually got the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4’s like in the video and actually have a set of Michelin’s X Ice Snow winter tires. Like you said the all seasons are fairly good in the snow for an all season, but the winter tires are light years ahead. I drove up from Houston tx to Bozeman Montana with the winter tires and drove around in the snow and ice in Bozeman with no issues in my rwd jaguar. Even went to Cooke City and back through Yellowstone with no trouble. There’s no substitute for a winter tire in winter condition.

@onefastboi14

2 жыл бұрын

The braking aspect is very true as well. Stopping with winter tires and all seasons is a massive difference that cannot be understated.

I just saw a version of those all weather tires today on a Ford Transit Amazon Van. But they looked like an all terrain version with the same chevron pattern. Had chunkier tread blocks on the outer tread.

All weather tires, the CC2 don’t compare to true dedicate winter tires like Blizzaks or Hakkapeliittas.

@theBear89451

2 жыл бұрын

Those are Nordic tires. Winter are between all weather and Nordic.

Snow tires make 90% of the difference. I'll take snows on RWD over allseason AWD any day of the week. AWD or 4wd only really helps to prevent you from getting stuck, which generally means you went into way too deep of snow (for your clearance) or did something stupid.

@mikefoehr235

2 жыл бұрын

True 4WD decreases braking distance SUBSTANTIALLY when in 4 wheel drive....one with a transfer case. You can see this for your self on TEAM O'NEIL RACING. I have watched Wyatt do this experiment with identical 4WD Jeeps. He switches back and forth between 2 HI And 4hi.

@sly9263

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikefoehr235 if you're responsibly driving in snow with winter tires the difference in braking distance is nearly irrelevant. You can slam on the brakes with better results in 4wd, which is great, but having to do so means you were driving stupidly. In my experience the people with AWD and 4WD's false sense of confidence is what gets them in a predicament.

@mikefoehr235

2 жыл бұрын

@Sly Well, I drove my Tacoma in 4hi in snow ❄️ with Goodyear Durtracs and could drive 100 km/hr which is max speed in 4hi and never even been close toothed ditch. Now with my Tundra, same tires and 4hi and 100 seems pretty safe. True 4 wheel drive and good tires can make a huge difference. Now, all wheel drive for stopping may not work as well.

@mikefoehr235

2 жыл бұрын

@Martin Svensson I guess you are with near zero brain activity in your cranium. I will offer proof. Go to TEAM O'NEIL RACING. Watch Wyatt demonstrate in identical jeeps, Toyota Tacoma and an F250 plow. He also proves just recently that ABS increases braking distance compared to ABS OFF. I feel sorry for you, you have the brain power of a single cell organism.

Thanks andre and tfl

I don't believe it was mentioned, but these were not 'dedicated' 'snow tires', but the 'all-weather' tires that have more snow rating than an all season tire but are a little less capable than a true snow tire.

I gots AWD with the Michelin CrossClimate 2. The tread pattern blocks of the CC2 doesn't make it too effective in deeper wet snow... it's definitely a plowed road tire.

You just seem to have more control once you get going with snow tires. I can't tell you how many jeeps and Subarus I see in the ditch as I drive by in my front wheel drive Fiat 500x with blizzaks.

@CoDplayer458458

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. Blizzaks took my Mazda 3 from useless in the winter to a whole tank in anything under a foot deep. Definitely putting blizzaks on the wife’s Subaru next year 👍🏼

These tests makes no sense when you have 2 different cars. You have no idea whether it’s the tires or vehicle.

I have a 2016 Mini Countryman All4 S and a 2018 Hard Top Base. Both have highly rated snow tires for winter use here in the Buffalo NY area. We get 90 to 150 inches of snow each season, it comes in spurts. I had been driving the AWD car exclusively since 2016 and love how it handles in the snow. I had to leave a parking lot after more than a foot of fresh snow fell while at work. No problem. Just point where you want to go and press the gas pedal. It feels like a rally car. The traction control system allows for just a little bit of over steer if you "ask for it" with the throttle. This past winter I've been driving our new to us Hard Top with FWD. I was shocked that I barely missed AWD. I would NOT be able to pull my way though a foot of fresh snow with this car, but over all I've driven through a few pretty serious snow storms and was impressed with how good it handled over all. I don't live South of the city where are are a lot of steep hills. If you need to make it up hills, nothing beats AWD. For general driving, FWD with good snow tires will work perfectly for the vast majority of drivers. A fresh set of all season tires that are biased to All Season rather than performance will work OK, but as those get worn down a bit, that will get super scary. I am always amazed at how I can pull away from traffic lights even with the FWD car while vehicles around me are slipping trying to get moving. If you live in a pace that gets "real snow." Just spend the money on a 2nd set of rims and run real winter tires in winter and performance all seasons the remaining three seasons. If you live in a place that gets a little snow, then get an all season tires that is biased to all season and just stay home if a real serious storm hits. After most storms, the roads are fine within 24 hours, so just stay off the roads.

@onefastboi14

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2007 Jaguar XJ8 and while I don’t live somewhere that regularly sees a lot of snow as I live in Houston Texas, I do travel up north to visit family and friends who live in cold climates in the winter sometimes. That being Fort Collins Colorado and Bozeman Montana. Here in Houston I run Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4’s and when I knew I’d be traveling up to Montana around the end of January early February I bought some dedicated winter tires being Michelin X Ice Snow. Driving with the winter tires gave me incredible confidence considering how good they were. Drove to Cooke city from Bozeman through Yellowstone and back with my Jaguar with no problems at all as the car and tires preformed flawlessly. Eventually went to Fort Collins to visit family, and even when it dumped 12 inches of snow the first part of February I had no issues there either. Winter tires definitely make a big difference stopping and going in the winter conditions.

The cross climates are marketed as an all reason tire at least here in the uk (and hence the name cross climate) and have more of a summer bias. would like to see the same test with dedicated winter tyres on the FWD.

TFL I love every you videos and it's fun to watch but All season worn vs all season that happens to to be snow rated in two different cars. Does not show the real merit of an actual winter tyre, cross climates aren't really meant for this, they can however just about scrape the test that means there snow rated, not ideal alternative in a wintery conditions

Again wrong cars to be used just like the last test comparison using the civic and the Cherokee 🤣 it should be identical cars with only the powered wheels being the difference.

TFL tests are almost as good as project farm. And by almost as good I mean not even close.

@TFLcar

2 жыл бұрын

This comment is almost as helpful as no comment at all and by no comment we mean no comment!

@TFLcar

2 жыл бұрын

We watched project farm. Great reviews that extremely thorough and fast paced. Not our style but great to have another point of view.

@NotOnYourLife

2 жыл бұрын

PF is meant to be useful and TFL is meant to be entertainment taken with a grain of salt, or a whole bag. :D I watch them both but for different reasons.

@FrankyRedEyes

2 жыл бұрын

@@TFLcar lol yes!!

@FrankyRedEyes

2 жыл бұрын

@@TFLcar You mean my comment? Because you typed "this comment" meaning yours. You meant to say "your comment is a great comment and by great we mean a waste of time". Cmon Andre (I'm assuming this was Andre responding because of the error in selecting the correct words as American/English isn't his first language) you can do better! And maybe next time do a run in both directions. Clearly both directions is the standard for any time test.

Good idea but too wishy washy on the parameters. Speeds and distances didn't feel scientific but the bigger issue is drivetrains. The Mini has an open front diff and uses brake traction control which cuts power. The VW basically has dual lockers with a front Quaife differential and a clutch pack torque transferring rear axle. This was like comparing 2WD Frontier on M/T's to a Gladiator Rubicon on stock stock tires on a mud/dirt track.

Tire tests are definitely hard to test. Vehicle used, how many miles on the tire, tire make and model, lot of variables. Good that TFL testing with whatever they got. I got BFG KO2, Falken Wildpeak AT3W, Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac on 4Runners all with 3 peak mountain snow flake rating and with my experience Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac were the best from the 3. With huge difference in temperature I prefer winter rated all terrains on my vehicles. 65F Sunday, 56F Monday(Y'day) I will run snow tires with temp that high.

What about a dedicated snow tire vs the 3 peak snow rated all season tire comparison?

I have to actually see the tires up close, because these days they put that 3 peak mountain snowflake and M+S on many tires that I would not choose for those conditions.

The best all season tires I found for a car is Goodyear assurance

Do you think if you letter the tire pressure on the winter tires it would increase the traction

This would be a very interesting test using the same set of A/S tires and a set of dedicated winter tires for comparison.

Is there any mpg difference? Rain performance?

Do these results have any value other than the video's view count? Not only are these two different platforms but two totally different powertrains.

Thanks for the review. On the down hill breaking test, during the uphill acceleration the All Weather CC2 tires does not seem to have any acceleration issue. Anything with 3PMSF is better than none for me. I rather be stock in the snow and going nowhere and making AAA call with the All Weather tires (which most likely would eventually moved by rocking the car) than not able to stop going towards an intersection or a 18 wheeler or... a human!!! 😱

@theBear89451

2 жыл бұрын

Meanwhile California Highway Patrol, "We don't understand why there are more accidents in the Sierras than the Alps."

@Jeo-What

2 жыл бұрын

@@theBear89451 According to police analysis, warmer the weather, more hot headed the drives become!🤣 I guess the cooler temperature does cool down the brain like a cooler to the CPU so it can think better!

@theBear89451

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jeo-What European roads mandate 3PMS, while California requires AWD.

Igore u need to research mini is equipped with flat tire with a seasonal tire big difference

I always enjoy watching your videos, always give me things to think about. Did you take into account that the front wheel drive electric has less traction due to no heavy engine in front (versus front wheel drive gas engine)? I may opt not to purchase a Chevy Bolt EUV because of this.

That kind of road is more slick than one covered in fresh snow.

Would be very interesting to see awd sedans with all seasons vs awd sedans with snow tires. The wife has an Impreza and I’m wondering if it would be worth getting blizzaks for it, or if the continental all seasons are good enough. Braking performance is most important to me, and it seems to do really well braking in the snow. Not sure if it’s the tires or the Subaru ABS. I had the same all seasons on my Mazda 3 and they weren’t as great in the snow on that car.

@dalefrolander3583

2 жыл бұрын

Winter tires are worth it over all seasons. Get some blizzaks or Nokian hakkepellitta tires, you'll notice the difference.

@CoDplayer458458

2 жыл бұрын

@@dalefrolander3583 have blizzaks on my Mazda 3 now and it was a massive difference. Might swap them onto the Impreza for a day to try it out when I have the time 👍🏼

@jeffreyarvik5936

2 жыл бұрын

The difference between Blizzaks and Continental A/S tires will be night in day in the snow. Your braking performance will be way better with Blizzaks. Also it's important to note that they are really "Winter tires" and not just "Snow tires" - if it gets really cold where you live, you'll have better braking performance with Blizzaks on dry pavement as well, as it uses a softer rubber compound. If you can swing the expense, I would definitely get some dedicated winter tires. If you don't want to buy another set of wheels, discount tire will flip them around for $80 each time. I didn't own my first set of winter tires until just a few years ago, and now looking back I can't believe how dumb that was. Driving in winter/snowy conditions is stressful enough, might as well do everything you can to have maximum control IMO.

Would you guys be able to review the Nokian One All season tires?

It would be best to show how both cars would perform from a dead stop or slow speed roll in deep snow i.e. turning into a driveway on a slope

Why aren’t not both of the vehicles awd (still keep the tire differences)

What about comparing Hyundai Kona electric vs kona fwd with same set of tire to see what’s is really better between EV and gas in the snow!

Be careful to refer to these Michelins as all-weather and not winter or snow tires. The snow flake symbol just means that they meet a minimum standard of grip on winter surfaces but they are not as good as dedicated winter tires including Michelin’s x-ice snow tires.

I thought the GTI just had a limited slip front dif and the R has AWD.

I would like to see this test done with all weather tires I think we all weather tires would be close enough to the snow tires on the all-wheel drive and then you don't have to have two sets of tires every year

@Redhawk24

2 жыл бұрын

Aren’t the CC2 all weather tires?

@billyschannel997

5 ай бұрын

@@Redhawk24 Yes they are

I took a look at your tires and that's actually summer tires AWD vs all seasons 2wd

I've had great luck with cross climate tires on my 2wd corolla...but my AWD Camry blows it out of the water with all seasons though lol.

Wow those Cross Climates aren't very good. Glad I bought Vredestein Wintrac Pro for my car instead. Badass tire.

Show the sidewall of that all season. I suspect it has an 'S' for snow rating. The title of this video should be "Comparing an 'S' rated all season to a 3PMS rated all season."

AWD with winter tires. ...would be my choice. Proper tires for both seasons.

@sanpk1545

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I have a Golf R with winter tires and it’s a lil mountain goat during winter.

I cannot believe the backwards snow chain laws in many places… (Washington and Colorado both) they have chain zones for 2wd, then for 4wd… The rules make it so an AWD car on summer tires is considered more capable than a 2wd on snow tires… I cannot understand why those rules are still in-place.. it just further pushed people into needlessly buying awd cars when thy just go skiing twice a year. Oregon is a great example of what they should be - it makes the cutoff between who has to put on chains based on if you have snowflake-rated tires on..

These vehicles handle so differently

Back in the ‘90’s, I owned a few Accords and would get snow tires for winter driving. It was certainly better than the then not great all seasons, but once I bought my WRX wagon (in 2002), I would never go back to front wheel drive. Even on the stock all seasons, the benefit of being able to control the vehicle using both steering and acceleration is huge. This is true whether you’re talking snow or just about any traction challenged surface. Making the front wheels have to handle both turning and power delivery alone has always been a terrible design.

@smrtguy77777

2 жыл бұрын

Once up to speed, tires are the most important variable especially considering stopping and emergency maneuvers.

@JMacGyver1

2 жыл бұрын

@@smrtguy77777 No doubt tires are important, but with rear or all wheel drive, the ability to change direction while also controlling for speed can be critical, whereas with front wheel drive on low friction surfaces becomes a huge challenge in turning AND accelerating or decelerating at the same time since the drive wheels have to also control for turning the vehicle.

@theBear89451

2 жыл бұрын

@@JMacGyver1 Smart one is talking accident avoidance, not lap times.

@JMacGyver1

2 жыл бұрын

@@theBear89451 Front wheel drive, regardless of tires used and conditions will always be challenged in being able to apply power, or reduce power, while also having to deal with turning the vehicle at the same time, especially when there is limited friction conditions. That’s where rear wheel drive or rear biased all wheel drive will always be better.

@theBear89451

2 жыл бұрын

@@JMacGyver1 Coefficient of friction provides absolute braking and turning limit.

I have those same Michelin Pilot Sport AS tires on my Tesla Model 3 Performance and they’re not great in the snow. I had some Perrelli AS tires on my BMW 340i xDrive and they were way better. So different AS tires might have helped this test.

@onefastboi14

2 жыл бұрын

Having a dedicated winter tire is absolutely the way to go if you’ll be driving in winter climates. I put some Michelin X Ice Snow winter tires on my Jaguar XJ8 and it handled the snow beautifully. Have driven with the Michelin All Season 4’s in the snow and they did okay but the winter tires were light years ahead in winter driving.

@dan203

2 жыл бұрын

@@onefastboi14 Yeah I did that for a few years, but then I got lazy and drove on my winter tires through the summer and burned them up. After that I just started buying AS instead. I just don't have the time or inclination to swap out my tires. We only get like 3-4 snow storms a year where I live so it's really not that important anyway.

From same speed you break?

@suspicionofdeceit

2 жыл бұрын

Brake

Winter not weather tires of course regardless if it’s AWD or not

Wouldn’t this be a more accurate comparison if you were using a FWD Golf for the comparison? The Mini is a very different car, especially this electric version.

Can M+S snowflake rated be used in summer season?

when i was a kid snow tires had studs in them...do they still make those?

@jeremyarmstrong2006

2 жыл бұрын

Yes they do

@laylaandevan2680

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Those aren’t dedicated snow tires in the video. They’re all weather tires. But yes you can get dedicated snow/winter tires with or without studs.

@backlash660

2 жыл бұрын

Nokian makes in my opinion the best studded tires . They are studded at the factory and have two different types of studs , they also have a higher stud count than other brands .

I apricate the review on this topic since it has often been the conversation between me (FWD) and my son (Full Time AWD) talk about. I bought dedicated Micheline X-Ice Xi3 snow tires for my new FWD HEV two and half years ago since the stock Energy Saver A/S was only good at saving the the fuel to get a great MPG to meet the government requirement and not my life in wet or winter condition in Canada. I sold the stock tires at a good price while they were almost new to keep my options open. Before the end of last winter I discovered the All Weather tire and bought a set of CrossClimate 2 with the enhancement snow traction over the previous CrossClimate "Plus" version. Throughout spring, summer and fall the dry and wet road experience has been excellent on this set of tires. This winter season, after a few snow storms driving in unplowed 1 to 2 foot of wet snow/freezing rain up to 55 Miles (90Km) speed in temperature as low as -20 F (-30 C) at wind gust speed up to 37 mph (60Km/h) as well as many thick slushy conditions while living in a hilly area, the CrossClimate 2 has not yet given me any reason to swap out to its winter brothers the Xi3 tires which are still seating in my garage waiting for me to pickup the impact gun. A very capable set of tires that is night and day better than the stock tires in every condition (including MPG even though I feel more rolling resistance but fuel pump calculation does not make mistake ) and perhaps why it has the highest rating from both the Consumer Report as well as The Tire Rack. It's almost the end of February, so I think I will be safe to sell off the snow tires and keep buying these All Weather tires every three years as these model improves themselves. This way I will always have a set of tires with fresh and flexible compounds all year round instead of storing All Season and dedicated winter tires every 6 month and ends up with 6 years old summer/winter tires compounds that are less safe and pliable (and maybe the winter tires would only become as safe as a set of 3 years old All Weather tire compound?) on the road. For me, I would be saving the time and energy of swapping tires twice a year, money saved from buying extra rims, TPMS and installation fee (when I am to lazy to do it myself) and storage space for other tools (toys🤣) in the garage.

How's about a RWD 3 series with winter tires, a limited slip, and per the owner's manual 100lbs of sand in the trunk? My old 3 series could go anywhere an AWD vehicle could go. Since it was a track day car only thing that would stop it is a foot or more of snow

@sly9263

2 жыл бұрын

I used to drive a cammed Pontiac G8 GT with blizzaks and it could go thru 6-8 inches of packed snow without getting stuck. Took that car to work thru multiple blizzards

@fredmertz3837

2 жыл бұрын

@@sly9263 I had Blizzaks on one my cars for awhile. They sucked on dry roads when compared to Michelin winter tires and also in the wet. Their compound for ice only lasted like 5000miles. For the Mid Atlantic Michelins winter tires were a far better choice.

@sly9263

2 жыл бұрын

@@fredmertz3837 I got 15k miles on my blizzaks, super squishy though on dry roads. You talking Michelin x ice?

@fredmertz3837

2 жыл бұрын

@@sly9263 Yep. Put a set on my Honda Element and the tire shop owner a good firend and IMSA driver at the time ramarked how the winter tires performed better than the Goodyear Wrangler SRAs OEM tires in the dry. I also purchased separate wheels for the Ice's. OEM tires were replaced in the Spring with Toyo's. ICe's are superior in dry conditions to Blizzaks, in the rain and when temps get above 50F.

Ya how heavy is the shit box with the batteries? Need similar cars with same width tires.

@wzDH106

2 жыл бұрын

LOL, 150 lbs LESS than the VW Type R. Googling isn't difficult my friend.

@wzDH106

2 жыл бұрын

Unless we're referencing the new 2022 Type R, which this isn't. 2022 appears to be similar in weight.

AWD is going to take off quicker, but AWD doesn’t do as well as FWD on control and breaking that is assuming both cars have snow ❄️ tires 🛞. Are you guys dealing with ice just below the snow for this test. My 16 Camry Hybrid with the Cross Climate 2 FWD does great in the snow. If there is ice then that is another story.

Winter tires are always the best. Second best the snow rated all weather tires. Everything else is not recommended in a snowy climate.

It would’ve been more interesting to use a front wheel drive golf GTI for example, the electric car has lots of torque.

@smrtguy77777

2 жыл бұрын

Torque meaningless with such low traction to begin with.

@deancm3759

2 жыл бұрын

@@smrtguy77777 I disagree have you driven an electric car? That car has 385 ft pounds of torque, it’s instantaneous with an internal combustion engine it builds. Not apples to apples they should both be golfs with gasoline engines.

@heeltoe6845

2 жыл бұрын

@@deancm3759 both cars are severely traction limited.. it really wont matter much.

@smrtguy77777

2 жыл бұрын

@@deancm3759 Yes I have and they have traction control as well!! It’s going to limit wheel spin when there’s a lack of traction. That torque is only meaningful if you can put it to the ground.

@deancm3759

2 жыл бұрын

@@smrtguy77777 Watch the video again he turns the traction control off on the mini because with it on he can’t get it off the side of the road. We will agree to disagree. I think the only fair comparison is to use the same cars one front wheel drive one all-wheel-drive, one with winter only tires, one with all season tires.

Two different cars? Duh!

Cross climate 2 are all weather NOT proper snow/winter tires. They are much better than all seasons but not quite as good as proper winter tires. AWD will always perform better in snow at take off - no questions asked…now stopping and turning is where having proper tires really make a difference…!

tire is a tire it's just sales pitches. tread about the same. traction control for rain not snow.

Traction control off is ALWAYS the way to go

snow ish tires? should have been actual dedicated snow tires. would have been a much better comparison

Pilot sport as are the worst tires ever. If you own a vag car or any car, do yourself a favor and get Continental tires. My S4 loved the switch back to oem tires!

Also why it’s a good idea to air down your tires a little bit with the snow. Even just 4-5 psi can really help you out and still be perfectly safe to drive around on.

@wantsanewvehicle

2 жыл бұрын

No..

random cars with random tires and random bros comparison. You guys have enough subs to make it more interesting and relevant with actual snow tires and test that evens out the variables bit better.

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This is not even winter tires. Just snow mud rated. It's ridiculous to compare the two and so much different weight

Cross climates are absolute junk tires. More summer rated than anything. They don’t work well here in Minnesota

better drivers.

AWD with poor tires bald tires or summer tires is not going to help FWD with good snow tires is good idea RWD with snow tires is also a good idea AWF with snow tires is the best

With all due respect, Andre we don't need any more snowflakes! Mini would have done better IMHO if you did not disengage traction control on the mini. you was stuck in the ditch spinning your tires or not and not moving. but i believe it would have done better with traction control had you not been stuck.

This test is an interesting comparison, growing up in an area that gets around 18-40 feet (depending on elevation) and driving awd/4wd SUVs and trucks. Am now driving a small fwd in college; getting home has been a bit more of a challenge than I was used to. We only ran all seasons and never had a problem getting anywhere, even with 1-3 ft of snowfall in the roads, did switch to summer tires at one point, but eventually this was just easier. I think the main consideration that you have to make is how often you will be driving in the snow, sure good snow tires on a fwd drive may help, but it's no replacement for the convenience of awd, mainly in that the road conditions pretty much never have chain requirements for awd. And yeah, I can usually get where I'm going with the fwd on all seasons with chains, but it's certainly more of a pain, and would be completely unreasonable to use all winter in a place like that. My fwd drive just came with all seasons, and since I don't drive in snow much, and avoid it where possible, I won't ever replace with snow tires. You still have to put on chains to get over passes, and you still can't make it into most of the icy neighborhoods (which are all steep, mountains...) so it just doesn't really seem like snow tires on most fwd drive vehicles are worth it for most people, and if you're considering putting snow tires on because of where you live, well it give it a rough winter, you'll buy an awd, thats what all of the rich city folk do when the move, before deciding that snow's too much work and selling to the next rich family... Anyway, awd, even on all seasons, just feels like its so much more at home and the better tool for the job, at least for the conditions I'm used to; which is similar in amount, but usually heavier, wetter snow than Colorado, where these guys are.

Electric cars produce full power immediately, which is what you don't want driving in snow. Try that test with a fwd golf instead.

Woot woot

Too many variables. Couldn't even get the same car which is a huge red flag. Intentional or not, this is a very biased test

This is pointless. Two different cars, one of them electric with heavy recuperation brake.

@dvanerdivkanade

2 жыл бұрын

@@martinsvensson6884 What a nonsense. It's like saying automatic transmission has the same effect as manual undershift, when it comes to engine braking. Gosh.

My gripe is that snow rims always uglier. I will see what to do when i get the dream car. Tough pill to stomach ugly rim for half a year

@StalePhish

2 жыл бұрын

There isn't any such thing as a "snow rim". You can put whatever wheels you want. You can put chromed bling wheels on in the winter and rusted steelies in the summer if you want. Many people just put cheap wheels on in the winter because you're more likely to get wheel damage in winter from sliding into a curb, or for chrome to get pitted from the rock salt.

@YourMajestyTheKing

2 жыл бұрын

@@StalePhish if only there are snow tires for every rim.

Apples to oranges comparison guys. This whole tire overview is nuts. Different cars, weights, drive train... Waste of time from your viewers really.

@TFLcar

2 жыл бұрын

You know in the real world people drive different cars 🤔

@niuhuskieguy

2 жыл бұрын

I think the issue is your trying to demonstrate the difference between the tires specifically, but your using cars with different drivetrain and braking characteristics as they really are 2 different cars. For what you were trying to demonstrate with the tires really required more control with the varibles, including using the same car. It would have been better served using the same car and just switching out the tires or also use the front wheel drive version of the same car. We know people don't drive the same cars in the real world, but seeing as you were testing tires, you really didn't control for the biggest variable for the most acurratw result, the cars themselves.

Tell me you made a video designed to get all the wanna-be scientific method experts all riled up in the comments without telling me you made such a video.

LOL 😀 You can't tell you are on a hill really?

How about awd with snows.

@theUnlockedCookieJar

2 жыл бұрын

There’s a few other videos out there that compare AWD with winter tires and AWD without. Ultimately, it’s the stopping that is improved tremendously between those two. It was convincing enough for me to put winter tires on my (SH-)AWD car this year.

A: Permanent 4x4 with studded winter tyres.

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WTF!!!!!! Two different types of cars and trying to fly up a hill as though speeding on a snowy street is the smart thing to do. TERRIBLE COMPARISION!!!!

Now test show tires on cold but dry roads. They perform worse than summer tires! kzread.info/dash/bejne/hn6nuJSIgrDZndY.html

starting with worn tires? mute right there...

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Stupid test.