"I am, at the Fed level, libertarian; at the state level, Republican; at the local level, Democrat; and at the family and friends level, a socialist. If that saying doesn't convince you of the fatuousness of left vs right labels, nothing will." Nassim Nicholas Taleb

@TheWhyWeFightPodcast

25 күн бұрын

He's a confused individual. You can't have an integralist worldview and then separate the implementation of your ethics into individual categories

@davidlahozgil

18 күн бұрын

You need to go check this: 5. How we know what Left and Right actually mean: who’s who, 1789-1917

Virtues of the people. Truth, honor, justice. Those are so easily corrupted

@TheWhyWeFightPodcast

24 күн бұрын

From our worldview the principles themselves are not corrupted. It's the inability to manifest them properly that makes the problem. From a Catholic philosophical explanation Mankind's nature was not affected by the Fall but his likeness or ability to act like God. Even the pre-christian philosophers like Plato explained that nature and likeness are different . How we act like God is manifesting those virtues. Because we are filled with concupiscence it is more difficult for us at this current state to act like him. Therefore it is not the principles themselves that are changed but it is us. These principles are not changed because they come from the mind of the logos and are rooted in him that is unchangeable. Therefore, those principles are unchangeable as well because he fully dwells in them. This is what we believe

"Christian values" are not only arrived at through Christianity. Atheists can have the same values, or similar.

@TheWhyWeFightPodcast

25 күн бұрын

True but atheist did not develop Christian values. Christian did and atheists have no justification for maintaining them. You're pursuing an end but you don't know why you're pursuing it

@TuftyMeadows

24 күн бұрын

@@TheWhyWeFightPodcast Is your only reason for being a nice person because god says so? That doesn't even make sense because not all christians live by the same principles (eg. some accept homosexuality and some don't) The truth is we live by our principles. I know exactly why I choose to do the right thing according to me. I'm never going to follow a scripture. I'm personally accountable. In another society you have muslims following a religious scripture and stoning people to death. Is it their fault if they truly believe its what god wants?

@The430philosopher

24 күн бұрын

The cultural values of the West were generally inspired by Christianity. Atheists in our countries, being raised in that milieu, often adopt the closest analogs they can find in an effort to preserve their values while reconciling them with their ideology. They'll replace Christian charity with altruistism, turning the other cheek with harm avoidance, and Christian brotherhood with something like equality, as examples. In all cases, they lack the unifying threads of Christianity. They're stopgaps, plugged in to fill a void. They don't actually make a coherent philosophy when taken together. I even consider the weird reliance on personalities as an effort to replace the sympathetic image of Christ.

@TheWhyWeFightPodcast

22 күн бұрын

You seem to have a lot to unpack here. We know what you don't want to believe. What do you want to believe though? You want to believe that we can have a common principle of unity of goodness and justice? We do too. But who's the appeal to Authority and arbiter of that common principle of unity? The people whose Stone people to death still or the people that are telling our 10 year old children it's okay to chop their genitalia off? Or the ones that want to be able to live in an anarchistic Society where if somebody pisses them off sideways they can just take their life from them? What about others that want to force you into the religion? Or even better how do you unify all of these different people? Through laws written on a piece of paper? And if they don't know bath then they'll be thrown in jail or murdered by the state? What's your answer

@TheWhyWeFightPodcast

22 күн бұрын

I've said this for a long time. And a pagan worldview you cannot maintain Justice in order if people believe that nothing they do matters here because they'll just be reincarnated and eventually annihilated in the cosmos. You also can't maintain order in an atheistic system or they just believe they are evolved slime. And that system and worldview why not just F people up and take their stuff as long as you can get away with it? No, these people did not birth the western civilization that we can see feel and touch. The western civilization that we call murder, pedophilia, genocide stealing and other things wrong comes from a Christian worldview. Not a pagan or a atheist worldview. The justifications for our beliefs that we have have to be from a worldview that is Christian otherwise you're living in an unintelligible worldview