Hi, Im one of the devs for the Aztec fan mod (Return of the Gods). It would definitely be a dream come true if they do Aztecs and take inspiration from RotG.

@Giagrus

16 күн бұрын

I hope you make more civs for others pantheons. Enjoyed your vids

@SanteriPerma

12 күн бұрын

Why is your channel flagged as "for kids"?

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

HEY! An honor to have you in the comments my friend! Like I said I haven't taken a look at the mod yet so as to not bias myself, but from what everyone has told me it is a really fantastic piece of work. Thank you so much for your contributions to the scene and to the game!

@hhattonaom9729

9 күн бұрын

@@robbylava thanks man, well I hope you get a chance to try it, we still have more content to come for EE.

@robbylava

7 күн бұрын

@hhattonaom9729 awesome to hear man, I definitely hope to at some point. Are you on Discord? If so hit me up -- @robbylava. I'd love to talk to you more about your design and the process behind it.

A way to implement Hindu religion in the game is to use Vedic Hinduism which is older and VERY different from today's Hindusim which really should be common sense because you can't have such an old religion without it changing a lot.

@jeffk862

15 күн бұрын

Yes exactly!!! Was just thinking this the other day. The Vedic pantheon is much different than the Hindu pantheon. Indra, Agni, and Varuna as major gods along and a variety of minor gods to go along with them

@abhaychaudhuri5636

14 күн бұрын

I reckon Brahma, Vishnu and shiva would be the major ones

@jeffk862

14 күн бұрын

@abhaychaudhuri5636 no those are the Hindu Trimurti. The 3 main gods of Vedism are Indra, Agni, and Varuna. Different older Indian religion

@royasturias1784

12 күн бұрын

@@jeffk862 Early Vedism was less interesting than the successor faith, sadly, once Later Vedism (mutated into Hinduism) gave birth to two important epics namely Mahabharata and Ramayana, and early Hindu expansionist polities (Magadha Empire under the Haryankas around 600-500s BCE) emerged. The Magadha Empire under the Mauryas gave birth to the Arthashastra codex/treatise. Vishnu, Brahma and Shiva demoted Indra (rain and storms), Agni (fire and the sun) and Varuna (seas and the sky), and the new Trimurti have their Tridevi consorts Lakshmi (fortune and fertility), Saraswati (knowledge and the arts) and Parvati (love and beauty).

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

I had another friend point this out to me after I launched the video. Such a clean way of doing it! If I were to redo the video now knowing this, I would probably put them at number two or three

You know, when thinking what culture that would be possible for this game, I completely forgot about the Romans. Also, yeah, Hindu myth is cool, but would be extremely hard to add without offending anyone. Also, out of all of the civ to add, I am the most excited for Sumerians as I just think the Epic of Gilgamesh is cool, as well as funny.

When you brought up Tlaloc I thought of this line from AOE2: "These warriors shall recieve the blessing of the rain god and fight with the skill of ten normal men!"

Zoroastrian Persia also feels like a prime candidate. Would be the best way we could get Jinn into the game.

@ZS-rw4qq

15 күн бұрын

There was a policy of not using religions which are still around in fear of not offending someone. Well, that was before the Chinese at least

@royasturias1784

14 күн бұрын

​@@ZS-rw4qqThe Chinese today are largely irreligious, and the current ruling party / claimant of Mandate of Heaven has many apostates.

@papermaniac

13 күн бұрын

@@Timberwolf139 that is unlikely since that was a dualistic religión with only two gods

@Timberwolf139

13 күн бұрын

@@papermaniac yes and no. Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu are the two big ones, but there were plenty of other minor deities that were revered or feared, the Ahuras and Daevas respectively (one of the Ahuras, Mithras, I think either supplanted Ahura Mazda or was still worshipped in some capacity as a head god, even was syncretized by the Romans, but I am pulling this bit about Mithras from Imperator Rome, so take this with a grain of salt and verify yourself). I had the idea Ahura Mazda was the only major god you could pick, but you had a bigger pool of minor gods to pull from, maybe even a few from the other players/pantheons to symbolize the Achaemenid religious tolerance. As the other comment mentioned, Zoroastrianism is still practiced today, so that's more likely to prevent it from being represented in the game like Hinduism and possibly Shinto

An Age of Mythology video! Sweet!

Funny, I've seen fanmade Roman and Celt tech trees floating around. And then there's the mod that adds the Aztecs to the OG game. First time I've seen Japanese or Sumerians considered though

Aztec or Mayans will be added. But I fear they will add it as Mesoamerican to include Olmecs, Tlaxcala and other cultures in the region.

@ahmicqui9396

16 күн бұрын

I would be happy with an umbrella "mesoamericans" civ if it was represented correctly.

@afz902k

16 күн бұрын

@@ahmicqui9396 I would also be happy with this, as long as they keep Incas separate for a potential future addition.

@TheBeastCH

14 күн бұрын

They don't really have cavalry or anything comparable. That would be something they'd have to compensate for. Fast-moving anti-archer units...

@ahmicqui9396

14 күн бұрын

@@TheBeastCH It's AOM, so the cavalry can be anything, even extra large water possums (Ahuizotl)

@TheBeastCH

14 күн бұрын

@@ahmicqui9396 that would be a myth unit. I'm thinking human units. As by the rules AoM sets, having one of the three pillars of human soldiers taken over by myth units would render human armies more vulnerable to heroes, as heroes get bonus damage against myth units.

I'll Write my thoughts here as I watch this video. - First of all, it's great to see AoM content here. Couldn't be happier. - Re:Gaels/Celts. One big thing about the core 3 groups is that they cover "popular" myth groups rather easily. Egyptians are basically Brandon Frasier's Mummy, the Greeks are Jason and the Argonauts, and the Norse are well, Vikings, Wagnerian in all their horned/winged helmet glory. All 3 are also very visually and thematically distinct. Greeks have the Gray hills and lush Mediterranean grass, with their Marble columns and red shingle roofs, Egyptians have their Sandy dunes and their rocky cliffs, with buildings of Sandstone decorated with colorful artwork. The Norse have their green pines and endless snow, and their buildings of Cobble and Wood. This brings me to the idea of new Civs. While many are vaguely similar with "celts/gaels" and can grasp druids, I think they aren't as catchy in terms of their pop culture and common knowledge. Everybody knows Thor, Valkyries, Mummies, Pyramids, Cyclops, Hoplites. What's the last big franchise or media piece that featured Gaelic myth? Think of the normies, not mythpilled nerds like us. Also, how would you visually distinguish the Celts from the Norse? I know irl the two are fundamentally different groups, but the do overlap in terms of "Burly Barbarians from the woods who live in wood and thatch huts and have wings/horns on their helmets." I know it's a reduction of the gaels, the distinction here is not as strong as the base game civs. - Roooomeeee. I wouldn't mind, had Atlanteans not exist already. Having a third grecko-roman civ is perhaps a bit much. Their biggest issue wouldn't be their mechanics, as actually I think they would be very distinct mechanically just lookin at their history, but as you said, their lack of distinct myth units and flavor is what would hurt them most. I actually agree with your points that they overlap too much with the Atlanteans. - My Suggestions for Rome would be to have Consuls as fighting heroes, who'd be randomly named after famous Roman war leaders. You can have two at a time and they support your army much like the praetor. To buff them, however, and to showcase a real part of Roman religion that is thematically, mythically, and historically appropriate, I'd suggest the Augur as the second hero. Romans were very superstitious and the outcome of many a battle were decided to them ahead of time. Augury was a vital part of their culture and I think it'd be great to showcase it. I am clueless as to how, especially without stepping on the toes of either the priest or the oracle. - Sumer! Or Babylonians. Or Assyria. Or Persia. Or the Levant. Basically, any Fertile crescent group to complete the glaring hole. I think they will make them a more general and choose one of the main local pantheon (Babylonian is an option too) but otherwise use myth units and human units from various other fertile crescent cultures. This wouldn't be that much of an issue IMHO as the huge overlap between the various cultures exists IRL as well. How many biblical demons are Babylonian? How much did Persian Zoroastrianism affect the Jewish fate? I think the overlap is justifiable and fine, especially seeing how the Norse, Egyptians and Atlanteans already do it to one extent or another. - I do not think they would be that similar to Egyptians. A proper fertile crescent civ, with a bronze age feel would be much more distinct. Firstly, Ziggurats are cool. You can make them visually distinct from the Egyptian stuff by using darker brick and later transitioning to the colored bricks you see in Babylon. I think you can actually lean into a bit into them being similar to the Egyptians and make that an advantage rather than a disadvantage by contrasting them. God-Kings who serve as combat buffers rather than economic buffs, grain-counting scribes who oversee your economy instead of priests, etc. Also give them Heavy Melee-Chariots to contrast Egypt's Chariot Archers. Compare and Contrast, basically. -Oh, ok, Glad to see we're actually basically on the same page here re: God Kings, Chariots, and Temple Bureaucracies. - Ah, yes, Riyujin. God of Psychotropic Fish and Cyberpunk. Wait, no. - Hindu Can def. Work, easily. Perhaps lean more into Vedic roots rather than modern hinduism. That way you can avoid stepping on toes? I'm unfamiliar tho. Polynesians and Yaruba would work, but I'm afraid they don't have the Mass appeal needed for a game like this sadly. Same with Slavs, plus you'd be stepping visually and gameplay wise on many Norse elements, and from a Slavic perspective I am afraid perhaps too much Slavic myth has been reduced to fairy tales in the post-Christian world? Think Koshei, Baba-Yaga, Russalkas, etc. So both too similar to Norse, and a bit too hard to take seriously if done in-correctly. - And yes, I Agree the next civ is probably Aztecs. But if not them, probably Babylonians/Summerians. Because imho they are the 2nd most recognizable mythology choice by proximity to Egyptian and Greek stuff, and also irl to the Bible and Demonology and horror (Apzu, Tiamat, Dagon, etc.). They have the most pop-culture presence on this list other than Aztecs and Japanese. - Final notes: I think there could be genuinely a case be made for "pairings" of civs. Take civs that are thematically, geographically, and gameplay-wise similar or otherwise overlap, and pair them with each other. Greeks and Romans, Aztecs and Atlanteans (only because Atlanteas have some meso-vibes, really), Norse and Celts or Slavs, Egyptians and Sumerians, Japanese and Chinese. This allows you to not have to reinvent the wheel each time, re-use *some* assets and frameworks between civs, and make sure a choice feels thematically correct. This is a great way to justify adding many civs, while still keeping some semblance of uniqueness. 10 civs, some which overlap is fine. Makes each civ less unique, but they crossed that line with Atlanteans. -So TL;DR I think actually there is a case to add *all* of the civs in this list . Greeks, Egyptians, Norse, Atlanteans and Chinese and then having the Romans, Sumerians/Babylonians, Gaels/Slavs, Aztecs and Japanese. Great video, as always.

@TheBeastCH

14 күн бұрын

"What's the last big franchise or media piece that featured Gaelic myth?" I'd say every adaptation of King Arthur does that to a degree. And Asterix had Gauls, so if there was a broader Celtic civ, it could draw from both.

@Israelyguy14

14 күн бұрын

@@TheBeastCH Arthurean legend has been toroughky anglicized, and the Gaels and Gauls overlap but aren't the same, tho I guess a general "celtic" civ does have a better chance of being represented than a "gaelic"/"irish" one.

@royasturias1784

14 күн бұрын

​@@TheBeastCHThe Fate Series by Type-Moon: Cú Chulainn, Diarmuid and Scáthach

@Israelyguy14

12 күн бұрын

@royasturias1784 yeah, I dont think the Fate series is what we'd call normie media.

@royasturias1784

12 күн бұрын

@@Israelyguy14 Cease your spoilsport behavior, normie. I must invite Fate/GO players here when the Celts culture is officially announced by MS themselves.

I think you could also mention the Carthage/Fenician civ. I think they would be a cool add on, maybe not top3 but close enough. If we look how devs originally thought is that they want as diverse and distinguish from other civs as possible so the Celts, Romans and even Japanese could be more further project Anyway, for me the top3 (aside of Chineese) would be: 1. Aztecs, 2. Sumerians 3. Hindu but i also love the idea of Slavs, Japanese and Celts.

Really well made video yet again. I would love to see either Sumerians or Aztecs in the game, really appealing.

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

Thank you so much for saying so my friend!

I'm surprised you only put slavs in an honorable mention considering that The Witcher games have widespread popularity and attractiveness considering their basis in slavic mythology. Adding to that, it's a no brainer to add the faction that contains stuff like Werewolves and Vampires.

@royasturias1784

14 күн бұрын

When it comes to mortal military units of ancient Slavs (the glorious ones), I can foresee a Counter-infantry unit that can also gather Wood when not sent to battle, an Archer unit that can hunt and gather from wild animals better than the Worker and an actual hit-n-run missile cavalry unit (the Slavs had observed the Huns and the Avars), also captured/shanghaied Roman onagers as ranged siege engines and stealthy units? Poison-tipped arrows and javelins, punji pits, night raids... Heroes (Bogatyr') like Svyatogor (giant warrior), Dobrynya Nikitich (dragonslayer-bard), Ilya Muromets (bane of nomadic hordes), Alyosha Popovich (witty ranger), Burislav (King of the Venedi / Wends), Koshchei the Deathless (dark archmage) to an extent... Myth units like Kikimora, Vodyanoi, Leshy, Rusalka, Strzyga (Striga), Zhar-ptitsa (Phoenix equivalent sans resurrection by egg), Drekavac, Ispolin (giants of Bulgarian hearsays), Zmei (dragons), the Baba Yaga...

@SanteriPerma

12 күн бұрын

Witcher has also inspiration from Finnish myths

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

You know, I'll be honest, I didn't once even consider the Witcher. That's a big oversight on my part, and I think because of that I would probably bump the Slavs up to the number 5 spot in retrospect If I were to redo this list.

@SanteriPerma

8 күн бұрын

@@robbylava can you see this comment??

@SanteriPerma

8 күн бұрын

@@robbylava am I shadowbanned?

Subscribed hoping to see more AoM content. Great video.

@robbylava

3 күн бұрын

Thanks so much for saying so my friend. You can expect at least two to three more videos over the next couple months, maybe more if people seem to be enjoying them!

My top 3 would be Aztecs, Japanese and ESPECIALLY Indian. I feel like I should do a proper response video on AoM because it is THE GAME of my childhood but I have my hands full with other projects. Anyway, I actually feel like in order to modernize AoM it'd mean amplifying the one thing that we all play on but don't really care about too much, the map itself. This is not just about getting new maps, but new terrain on those maps such as Swamps that slow units moving across them, Oasis which spawn lions, regrowing forest patches (trees can regrow) and Black Soil (that increases the yield of farms built on them while also refunding the cost to build on them). I'd also like to see a change to how temples and favor work. First, Temples can now only be built on derelict Temples (like TCs and settlements) and each provide a trickle of favor, giving every faction reliable favor generation. Secondly, Myth Units no longer cost Population. This increases the number of objectives you need to build out on the map while also creating another dimension to specifically late game play, that of trying to increase your Myth Unit count over your opponents and allows you to have an even bigger army than ever before.

Thanks for the upload. You're one of the few RTS youtubers whose opinions I respect

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

Well I very much appreciate the vote of confidence!

If we were to get a RobbyLAVA breakdown of any of these proposed civs/cultures, I'd definitely want to see the Gaels first and foremost. Not because I think they're the most likely inclusion (they're definitely behind Japanese and Aztecs), but because I'm an Eireboo and would want to see how your ideas/conceptions of Irish myth compare to my own.

Watching this I definitely think you should do more AoM content--not just because I wanna see it, but because it feels like its more asymmetrical style is a great fit for the kinds of builds you already tend to come up with.

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

I'm glad you think so! It's also a topic that I feel like I have a better grasp on, so hopefully my builds end up having more authenticity as well.

Hi Robby! Nice to see you on the AoM topic. For your civilizations I would say - Gaels => 100% agree... if you take the whole Celts. AoM is designed around big civilization blocks so the Celts would have more sense than just a fraction of them. - Romans => No way. I really don't want to see them in the game. For me they have nothing to do here. - Sumerians => A great choice. I would like to see them alongside with the Mesopotamians (all the Semites living in Mesopotamia). - The Japanese are an obvious choice. That doesn't mean that it's a bad idea. One day or another, they will be in the game. - Of course the Aztecs. I guess that they will be the next to be added. And for the sacrifices, your idea is good but what if you could sacrifice an enemy unit who would bring more favors to you. I don't know, 1 of your villagers gives you 1 favor and an enemy villagers gives you 2. Such a system should be added.

If they do Romans I hope they start in the kingdom era with hoplites, move to the republic and use Maniples and then at the end use Marian Legionnaries

You underestimate how many Witcher fans would love to see all these usual foes as a playable units instead

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

You are completely right. Another comment mentioned this as well, how could I possibly have forgotten about the Witcher!?

I hope they add Finnish Mythos.

@afz902k

16 күн бұрын

Yes or Baltic

@SanteriPerma

12 күн бұрын

Finally the comment I was looking for. I've spent so many hours in my sauna brainstorming about possible Finnic/Sámi civilization.

@SanteriPerma

12 күн бұрын

First major gods that come to mind would be Ukko, Tapio and Ahti. If you go by having two good gods and one evil god the Perkele himself, which some believe see as synonyms with christian devil, some who are aware of the fact he's older than that say he's the thunder god, but more believable is that he is an ancient diety who is evil, what is certain is its a word loved by all Finns, christians, atheists, pagans and agnostics alike. I'm writing too much

Gaels could also have a Holy Lake mechanic, where their warriors throw their weapons in the lakes in exchange for favour. After throwing in their weapon, they'd have an attack debuff until a timer runs out and they can pick up a new one.

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

That's kind of awesome. Really great idea

Love AOM. excited to see more AOM videos from you

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

Thanks my friend!

I think that Slavs would work perfectly as The Witcher introduced a lot of their myths into pop culture.

Actually, one particular culture which makes a lot of thematic sense is a North American native civ, with several options to choose from. I mean, sure, temporally they are the furthest one time-wise from some ancient civs like Sumerians and ancient Egyptians, but wouldn't it be pretty thematic? Usually, the issue for them in AoE2 is because their history is best documented after the AoE2 time period, but in this game it's less of an issue.

Pantheons i would love to see on DLC for Mythology 1 Mesopotamian ( sumerian as you mention), 2 Aztec 3 Celt. About the Mesopotamian civilization one way to implement their myth units could be taking some elements from the Abrahamic religions ( like Djins, Golems or angels for example) and make them myth units,remember al three abrahamic religions can trace their roots on mesopotamian myths

in age of mythology the Gauls (Celts) lack Cernunnos, the horned god, which is analogous to Silvanus in the Celts. We can remember the musical instruments of Carnix, which the Gauls used to intimidate warriors on the battlefield. It would be cool if the Gauls (Celts) had a unit that could intimidate an enemy unit every 3-5 seconds, causing it to run away from the enemy for a certain amount of time Also, the Celts have a counterpart to Odin, who does not pick up the fallen, but heals them in battle. His name is Lugus. You could play something like a healing spring or healing in a certain area. As mythical creatures the Celts could be given ogres, which are essentially tanks that would eat the corpses of the dead after battle, thereby restoring their own hp (as was the case with Abomination from Warcraft 3). unit - Fomorians Slavic mythology, on the other hand, is the most underrated, but very cool in my opinion. Werewolves, undead - it's all developed in Slavic mythology. Even mermaids are young girls drowned in water/marsh. Leshy is the spirit of the dead in the forest. It would be possible to realize some wildlife-dependent civilization that calls trees into battle (as it was in the Scandinavians), the use of undead and various kinds of sorcerers using resources (gold/tree/food) as strong spells. We also have giants, the legend of which is quite simple, but the gist of it is that they were once exterminated by God for their pride and maliciousness. In some myths, giants were turned into humans (you can play something similar to Prometheus' children, who would turn into regular human peasants or warriors)

I think it would be really cool to also add an H.P. Lovecraftian/ hidden occult civilization with extreme creative liberties. It would be fun to have just an absolute wildcard civilization.

My mannnnn!! So awesome to see your objectively correct builds. 😂 I totally didn’t think about the Gaels and Sumerians as new possible civs in AoM but I’m all for it. Sumerians would be something completely new and fresh for this series. I do agree completely that Aztecs would fit the #1 spot since there’s so much you could do with them, a lot of rich mythology and lore behind them, and the fact that they’ve been a long requested civ to add to this game. If I remember correctly the original developers flirted with the idea of adding them as well.

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

Objective as always heheheh Really glad you enjoyed, it's always excellent to see you in the comments!

Just an idea for a sacrifice mechanic for the Aztecs: I think that sacrifices should not only give you favor, but a short buff as well, depending on how you perform a sacrifice. Let’s say there is button on most buildings for Aztecs in the game called “Perform Sacrifice”. It starts out the game greyed out, but every time one of your human units kills an enemy human unit, it adds a charge to the “Perform Sacrifice” button. After enough charges accrue, the button will activate and you can click the button to give you favor, along with another buffing effect. The buffing effect can vary depending on where the “Perform Sacrifice” button was clicked: clicking it on military building will give all units that could come from that building a combat buff, while drop-off buildings my buff nearby workers or resources received. I should mention that the charges are supposed to represent how many warriors you have to kill to get a captive. You could further reference this with Eagle and Jaguar warriors, which got their titles from capturing a lot of prisoners, could add more charges than normal, with their elite upgrades possibly instantly filling up a sacrifice. An important note: these buffs should be fairly strong, but they should also be short in length to reference how central daily sacrifices were to Aztec culture. On top of this, while you can keep storing charges to store multiple sacrifices, charges are used up after a sacrifice, which requires an Aztec player to play aggressively to keep up the favor and buffs. It may also cause the player to choose between immediate favor or timing of buffs.

@royasturias1784

13 күн бұрын

The devs should take a few pages from Act of War and Act of Aggression for the POW System: incapacitated mortal troops and workers (even dismounted riders, but excluding Hero units, myth units and ships as crewmen go down with the vessel) are captured and then teleported to some detention camp because video game.

My second favourite AoE game gets coverage on my favourite AoE channel. Christmas in July!

@Grevnor

16 күн бұрын

As for the options, all of them, except the Romans, would be awesome if added to the game. Would also like to see more niche options added - all of the options you listed were amazing, and there are still a TON of fun cultures you could still add without things getting boring.

I once thought about the idea of a sequel with India, Scythians and China on it. If you own it you could play with aom1 civs and viceversa

If the do the Romans they should go all in on the mysteries for example Mithras, Serapis, and Isis. They could also gain favor the celebrations and feast somewhat like the Native Americans in Aoe 3.

Seen your channel for the first time today. Normally don't care about AoE2, but I've been a AoM player and fan for more than half my life.

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

Really glad you found me my friend! While AOE2 will almost certainly be remaining as the focus of the channel, this video has been REALLY well received! If the other AOM content I have planned is comparably well liked, I will definitely be keeping it up going forwards even after Retold launches!

Good to see Inanna/Ishtar and the Sumerians weren't left hanging out to dry. Nailed it, Robby! edit: hanging, not hung...

I didn’t play aom. But at this point, I think I’m just going to watch whatever you upload Robby

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

Thanks my friend! The next couple months are going to have a bunch of AOM content, but AoE2 will remain the focus and I will probably tone down the AOM content a good amount after Retold launches unless it gets a lot of interest

Even I would be open for and interested in Aztecs I personally don’t understand why ppl forget about Mayans so often even I think Mayans would fit even better. Your idea of Sumerians is great as I highly support to see them in AoMR aswell!! Gaels/Celts would be great too but I think you overestimate your so called „japanophelia“ cause even I watch animes and shogun I REALY think Japanese content is overused and oversaturated. I would personally more interested in Slavic culture to be added. Especially since I played a nice early access rts game called godsworn. (and ofc for all who like the Witcher series/games and it’s creatures) so my top 5 would be: 1 . Mayan(Aztec) 2. Sumerian 3. Slavic 4. „Celts“ 5. either Yoruba or maybe just maybe Japanese

My roundabout way to add Hindus like elements in game is to have a South East Asian civilisation maybe the Malay based around Majapahit (because of their trade they touched the whole SEA region and beyond). South East Asia got very cool posible myth units like the Naga or the elephant headed fish Gajah Mina. In the Philippines you have the very cool Manananggal and Tikbálang. If there are open spots left, it can be filled up with some Hindu influences. (However I think if you take inspiration from the whole SEA region, you very little Hindus influence, besides building style)

The expansion that adds a reworked chinese mythology could add Japanese too. So a new expansion could have Aztec mythology and Summerians or Celts

@papermaniac

15 күн бұрын

if they follow a 2 civ model per DLC then it would be better to pair Aztecs with Mayans, Celts with Slavs and Sumerians with another pantheon close to or related to the middle east, just in order to keep the themeing

@royasturias1784

13 күн бұрын

​@@papermaniacWell, the devs' postlaunch plan for the Re-Told game is one distinct culture with 3 Major God subfactions, each with different Minor God options, focuses and playstyles... and the occasional addition of a Major God subfaction for any of the base game cultures.

@sergioramirezbelliard493

10 күн бұрын

I think I saw a leak video that they are thinking of adding a 4th major god to the existing 4 cultures. Don't know if minor gods would be added but perhaps 2-3 new additions could be good

Never played Age of mythology, but still an interesting video! And who knows, maybe there will be a DLC to port it into aoe2 someday!

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

I legitimately really hope that ends up happening, or at least something like it. Much as I like Age of mythology, I think AOE2 has a far superior engine.

Oh yeah a new vid!

The Gael hero mechanic reminds me of an old game called Celtic Kings: Rage of War (or simply Imperivm 1 where I'm from lol). In that game, you could assign units to heroes, and they'd become stronger until the hero died or they got too far away. As for the Romans, Quirinus would be better than Romulus, since Quirinus is actually his deified form. And lastly... If they add more Major Gods, I hope the Greeks get Diomedes as a new hero (he's too underrated and the most badass Greek hero in my objective opinion)

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

Solid takes all around, and really interesting to hear about the parallels to that other game

Top of my head: 1.) Aztecs, Mayans or some other Meso-civ. 2.) Japanese (could be an interesting contrast to the chinese) 3.) Persians 4.) Hindustanis 5.) Celts/Gauls Hopefully they'll add more civs after expansion 2 if the game does well. I also hope Romans won't be expansion 2, i'd like something new and aztecs would bring that i think.

I really want to see Gaels

Unorthodox idea but the Romans could also have a sort of "revolution mechanic" like in aoe3 where they become monotheistic and reject their original god. Since this ultemalty happened with the rise of christianity. however christianity wasnt the only non-roman religion in the late roman empire (3rd to 6th century ad) that had a strong following, other cults where also immensly popular, like that of isis and sol invictus. To represent this each of the original major gods have this monotheistic gods to whom the players can switch to in the mythic age, as an alternative to the titan age, same as in aoe3 for industrial and imperial age. Giving new mechanics and a completely different and especially more aggressive playstyle. for Jupiter this would be Sol invictus, for Minerva Mithras and for Juno Isis. No christianity since that is still a widely practised religion and could cause controversy.

Yes the Aztecs would be important but I also feel that if you're going to add the Aztecs you might as well add in the Mayans and the Incas as well

THIS IS MY SHIT YEEESSSSS. I am so excited for AOM content

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

Hell yeah bud! How'd you end up enjoying it?

13:48 What of when Romans are in a mirror match? Default to temple prayer for both?

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

That's a great question! These were just quick mockups, so I really didn't take the time to consider things like that, but off the top of my head what could maybe be cool is if either they had a default one that would apply in a mirror match, like you suggest, or if maybe a random one was rolled at the beginning of the game! That way the Romans would have a lot of different potential ways their mirror matches could go, and it would always be balanced since both players are on the same civ.

Thanks for video! That was interesting. Indo-european mythologies have strong and weak characteristic in Age of Mythology: they are very similar. We have thundergod, king of god, who have weapon, looks like lightings and club/axe/hammer? He is Zeus (Greek), Jupiter (Romans), Perun (Slavs), Perkunas (Balts), Indra (Vedism), Taranis (Celts), Thunor (Germanic tribes and yes - Odin is main god of ONE of north religions). We have his sky father, who sitting on the great hill/tree and he don't hear us? He is Uran (Greek and Roman), Div (Slavic reconstruction) Dievas (Balts), Dyaus (Vedism). Sexual and beautifulest goddess of Sunrises, Sunsets and love (without fertility)? Eos (Greek), Venera (Romans), Aušis (Balts), Ušas (Vedism) and Zoria (Slavs). And their functions, stories too. P.s. I redacted my text, because i'm learning English yet.

@SanteriPerma

12 күн бұрын

How is that a problem?

An African one will come, undoubtfully, though if done like AOE 2 did, I'm cool with it.

32:22 For me (a Slav myself) Slavs suffer from being too similar to the Norse like the Celts. But it is a potentially big market though

How is nobody mentioning the Persians? They fit into the setting almost perfectly, and could do some great historical homages and recreations of conflicts between them and the Greeks. Battles of Thermopylae and Salamis levels, anyone? Not to mention it would allow for the use of characters like Xerxes and Cyrus. Major Gods: Ahura Mazda(King of The Gods) Mithra (God of The Rising Sun, Covenants, Contracts, and Kingship). Could do Ardvi Sura Anahita instead if we feel there needs to be a female major god, and she's the most important of those. Angra Mainyu (Principle of Evil, Chaos, and Discord) Yes, it's very much a Ra, Isis, Set dynamic going on here. Mithra I believe is an inspiration for Horus and the two cultures did have crossover and commonality between eachother. The Huma Bird and the Phoenix are basically the same thing. I think the Persians militarily and mythologically are distinct enough though to be their own thing. Do some googling and you'll see they have more than enough interesting other gods to fill out the minor god slots. Zurvan, They also have a very rich mythology to draw upon for myth units.They fill a (somewhat) similar niche while being overall more developed to the Sumerians. Sure, it means no Gilgamesh, but we get Azhi Dahaka(Evil Three headed Dragons), Simurgh (Guardian Dog-Headed Bird, personification of virtue)The Primordial Bull, (Hell, we already have manticores in the game and they're a Persian monster), the Al(Nocturnal baby-eating monster in the shape of an old woman. Sounds terrifyingly awesome), Shahmaran (Snake-Queen and essentially the inspiration for Nagas) and of course, Djinn!(Otherwise known as GENIES!) Who doesn't want genies in AoM? Also, they definitely have public awareness with movies like 300, and Persian myth has come up in some form all over media. And of COURSE, there's the Immortals. I could see the Persians doing a crapstacking strategy when it comes to military. I feel like we KIND OF have that with the Norse with Ulfsarks but this would be more extreme. A lot of weak, cheap, and low-pop units with strong myth units and other special heroes to support them. Favor likely gained through slavery or indentureship of some form, or even based on constructing new buildings.

Definitely in favor of Gaels and Gauls as distinct factions, although, assuming the Tuatha de Dannan -> Aes Sidhe aren't a faction of their own, I'd favor Nuada as a major god with options to worship the succeeding kings of the Tuatha as Minors for later ages. Yes this would make the Dagda into a Minor God. Yes that is a compromise I'm not thrilled about. I think the Romans, if included, should at least include Imperial religious developments like Sol invictus and the Imperial Cult, but I admit that that's not super likely. Sumerians are a shoe in eventually, imo, as are Aztecs. Shinto is tricky, but plausible; I think we'd likely get a Chinese rework first. (I'm drawing the conjecture that the absence of the Chinese civ from Retold at base is a sign that the way they exist in EE is recognized as untenable) I agree that Hindu is less likely than Shinto, but more likely than something Abrahamic. I like the idea of Polynesians relying on myth units for siege, I think that's a neat niche for their design. I can't speak much to the Yoruba religious practices, but I can say that I would love to see respectful translations of African myths implemented, including Akan- specifically because I like Anansi stories. Slavic is highly underrated, and there's probably a touch more interest than you might predict because of Neil Gaiman's American Gods drawing some attention to them. Unmentioned, but Mongol Tengri might be a good vein to mine- though I don't know a ton about it, they'd certainly make for a neat civ, perhaps radically only having a single settlement, but with the ability to pack up the whole camp and move to a new site. Another unmentioned possibility would be the Incans. Something I'm tempted by but probably don't want to see because I don't trust it to be respectful is most any northern Native American culture's religions. It's a shame, because the chance to learn is exciting, but just as there are concerns about Shinto, Hindu, and other living practices causing upset, given the history of cultural exploitation, I can't really endorse it unless it was 1. developed with input by and the support of experts of a particular indigenous people, 2. the native people in question would be the civ in game, and not a broader category that included other living tribes, and 3. a large chunk of the cost of the DLC went to the tribe(s) involved in perpetuity.

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

Tengri is a super underrated pic and one I definitely considered but thought would be much too obscure to include on the list. Would love to get to it eventually though!

My thoughts: Definitely agree on the Aztecs. There actually are modern "Aztec religion" practitioners, but the nature of the religion and its worldview makes it basically impossible to offend or somehow disrespect it. Just FYI, Nagual/Nahual/Nahualli is pronounced without the "h", so it's just nawall/nawalli. I don't think any classic Nahuatl word actually has a "h" sound in it (except loanwords OFC) No priest? What about the Nahuatl term for priest, tlamacazqui? Or maybe use the war priest from AOE3? I'm personally against the Chupacabra TBH, there's so many other potential units: The Yahui - an Oaxacan Turtle-Snake-Crocodile priest sscrificer spirit. Yohualtepōztli - headless human with an open chest sent by Tēzcatlīpōca to test humans Tlacanexquimilli - a kind of ghost, an undead bundle-beast in the form of a human body wrapped in white cloth Tzitzimītl - female star demon, might be too gory for the game though Quinametzin - the giants, but that might be overdone...

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

Couldn't agree more about the chupacabra, so many excellent options.

@robbylava

5 күн бұрын

Hey my friend, I forgot to ask when replying to you before: would you be willing to consult for me if I were to attempt an Aztec build in Age of mythology? You seem so knowledgeable about mesoamerica whenever we talk in the comments, and I would really feel more comfortable taking on a project like this with someone who knows more about the source material. So if that sounds like something you'd be up for, please do not hesitate to shoot me an email! It would be awesome to hear from you and work with you.

@ahmicqui9396

5 күн бұрын

@@robbylava Sure thing! I would be honoured. Which email address should I message? Or maybe something like Discord is an option too (and yes, I am on the server)

@robbylava

4 күн бұрын

@ahmicqui9396 Discord even better actually, send me a PM!

We need cultures that can fit into a campaign with the others! Japan during that mythological time period in aom it was inhabited by the jōmon people

Meso/South-American, Mesopotamian, Celtic and Slavic would be my top guesses - in no particular order. I agree that Hindu/Vedic would be a terrible idea, and I think the same even if doing a pre-cursor/ancestor religion - it is still bound to offend a lot of people. I'd really hope they don't do Roman. It's just too close, and people already complain about Atlanteans.

good to see the Hindus we're considered (a little sad they didnt quite made the cut though) they are very old and have a MASSIVE mythos to pull from. might need some extra care to implement, to not step in current Hinduism (if Microsoft goes that way), but also adds for another culture for an "Eastern big campaign expansion" or something like that

@papermaniac

15 күн бұрын

They should be included but in its vedic form and not as the modern form of hinduism, also they will still require some consultory in regards to Hindu religion just in order to do that faction in a respectful way since Hinduis is still a living religion

@SanteriPerma

12 күн бұрын

​@@papermaniac norse and greek and other paganisms are also still a religions

I kinda agree with the whole video! I never expected the romans though. I mean it's just like a reskin of the greek pantheon

@royasturias1784

14 күн бұрын

The ancient Romans weren't big in mythology, as military conquests and counterattacks, technological advancements, track records of emperors before Constantine the Great and relations with their peripheral neighbours had more gravitas. Aeneas from Troy / Wilusa who?

First! Will have to watch later though.

I truly believe they are going to do some bullshit move with the expansions. The first one (at least in the steam page) it's saying that is gonna be the chinese (which it's already on the "base game" in a form of expansion). I won't be surprised if the second expansion is the atlanteans...

Romans being added anytime soon would make me want to retroactively cancel my purchases. We have at least a dozen strong possible additions while even staying in popular knowledge of history.

I was absolutely convinced the Romans would be in the expansion too!

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

I'm glad I wasn't the only one!

I want to see the Chinese, Japanese, Indians, persians, Celts, Romans, Aztecs, Mayans, Incans, Babylonians, and Lithuanians in the future patches and dlcs.

@SanteriPerma

12 күн бұрын

Finns

I think instead of Sumerian, AOM should have Babylonian because Anglophone people are more familiar with the Babylonian names of Mesopotamian gods than Sumerians. Example is like Ishtar is a popular name but her Sumerian counterpart Innana: not so much

I would love to see what you could up with for god powers for every of these cultures.

@robbylava

Күн бұрын

Thanks my friend! Definitely hope to do so. Pretty big project though, so I'm going to try to start small, see how people like it, and go from there!

Fyi, there are active practitioners of Aztect religious practices, but it's still a low chance of pissing people off as many see more eyes as a good thing due to their low numbers. I 100% agree with your list! Yoruba and Hindu would be two of my top picks behind Aztecs, but it'd be VERY hard to get them right in comparison. I think there are some Indian subcontinent cultures that could be implemented more easily, but they may be seen as more obscure. I also agree with Slavs! I think they have a very rich and underrated mythology that many just aren't aware of. I wouldn't be a fan of Romans being added, and while I think Gaels would be interesting and also a great choice, I doubt I'd be excited just because I have a bit of fatigue from it, however if they're added in a way that isn't too tropey I could get behind it. A fae culture similar to Atlantis would be really cool too. There's so many cool myths out there that I feel like I'll never be satisfied no matter how many they add, but at the same time I'm excited for whatever there is to come!

@robbylava

4 күн бұрын

Very well said! I'm glad you enjoyed the list.

While I think the Romans shouldn't be prioritised because of Eurocentric/Graecoromancentric reasons (looking at you Atlantis), I have to heavily object calling them cheap and out of place. This sentiment comes from the misinformed ideo of roman religion being a copy of the greek one. I think there are some great ways to implement the Romans: focus on early rome with Romulus & Remus as the focus of the civ or go full Imperial with deification of Emperors and the new Gods that got introduced to the empire (Sol Ivictus, Mithras, ...). My favourite version would be a combination of the two: the Starting gods ar the same you proposed (Iuppiter, Minerva, Iuno) but as you pass through the ages you progress from Ianus, Bellona etc. to the classical gods like Mars, Hercules etc. and end with Sol Invictus and the deifyed emperors. I agree that Romans should hava a more human unit focus and to give a nod to the adaptability of the Romans make them be able to recruit mythical units from other civilisations.

@robbylava

10 күн бұрын

I genuinely couldn't agree with you more! Like I said in the video, I think there are ways to do the civilization right and to actually make it extremely fun and unique, I'm just not particularly confident that, if added, that would be what was done with them.

@gaiusiulius7724

10 күн бұрын

If they were bold they could make Iehowa one of their late game options, going monotheistic (like a revolution in aoe3) but that would bring the same difficulties as Hinduism.

Meso-American Hindu Shinto Mesopotamia Celtic? or Gaelic?

YES PLEASE THE SUMERIANS

Roman major gods should be Jupiter, Mars, and either, saturn or Quirinus (who was associated with romulus).

Nice video. Looks like you've taken the time to work this all out. I think most of the cultures that you mentioned would fit well in the game. The Romans though, I'm not sure. Actually I would personally be very disappointed if they would add the Romans to AoM. Don't get me wrong. I'm a massive fan of Roman history and it actually is one of my favorite historical cultures/themes. The thing is that somehow, in my personal opinion, they don't fit in AoM at all. As far as I know Roman mythology leans heavily on Greek mythology and it is basically just their interpretation of it, so to me it wouldn't feel as original and unique as the others that are already in the game. And besides that, when I think about ancient Rome, I think about massive legions of organized human soldiers wearing heavy armor marching in tight formations being led with (for their time) groundbreaking military strategy and tactics. I just don't associate ancient Rome with mythological beasts and stuff like that. Actually, before you mentioned them in this video, I couldn't even come up with a single mythological beast that I associate primarily with ancient Rome, instead of earlier Hellenistic or simillar cultures. I think ancient Rome fits amazingly well in games like f/e Total War or AoE, but not AoM. But thats all my personal opinion and maybe I should study Roman mythology more, lol. Then, my mind is absolutely blown that there are people that find the Atlanteans a bad choice for AoM. When I hear the word mythology, the myth of Atlantis is actually one of the first that comes to my mind. Atlantis is actually mentioned in- and connected with both Greek and Egyptian mythology. How the Atlanteans are thematically dumb or less real compared to any of the other gods and mythological beasts in this game that is called Age of Mythology is completely beyond my comprehension. Other than that I agree with most of your suggestions. Cultures that in my opinion would fit well in AoM are: 1. Aztec (or Meso American in general) 2. Hindu Vedas 3. Sumerians 4. Any Gaelic, Celtic and/or Slavic culture

I feel like you couldn't have Japanese myth units without Tsukumogami

Incas could be added to, they have a very rich pantheon and mythology

We need Persians, Indians, Chinese, Japanese and Celts.

Thank you for answering to my request (though I take no credit, since this was bound to happen lol)

I want Mesopotamians or Mesoamericans. And I certainly don't want Romans because it's just a copy-paste of the Greeks.

The fourth civ in the Titans' expansion probably should've been the Romans. I like the Atlanteans, and they work well narratively, but it would've been pretty easy for them to craft a story around the Romans instead of the Atlanteans. It could've started the same: the Atlantean survivors discover a sky passage, but this time instead of taking them to a random island, it takes them to Italy. There they discover and help lead the Romans to greatness under Saturn. That being said, I disagree with your Roman god suggestions! The ones you propose are simply too similar to the Greeks'. Saturn, Quirinus, Mithras, Cybele, maybe the three gods of the Aventine Triad, Carmentis, should all be in as minor or major gods. Heck, they could even look into a revolution mechanic where Rome embraces Christianity, losing all their myth units and tech in exchange for some awesome buffs, some powerful God powers, and priest units that can covert others! Off hand I do not think this would work, and I'm not sure I'd like to see it in the game, but if implemented properly it would make them very different from the Greeks. I'd also like to see the Vestal Virgins implemented in some way, perhaps as the way Rome gets its favour.

We need Hindus, Celts, Aztecs/Mayans, and a reworked Chinese

Can't wait for the Christianity expansion. Too bad they only have 1 major god, but their hero is jesus and when he dies he comes back for free after 3 minutes. They get favor by having villagers garrison in a temple and taking 10% of all the gold every villager gathers. One of the god powers could be giving cancer to villagers or something. We also could have the apostles as heroes, but be careful with judas if you have him and jesus on the same control group jesus dies.

It's not that I'm sick of Europe. It's that I think there's just so many other opportunities visually and thematically by tapping into other regions. The Aztecs feel like by far the clearest choice. I'd also love to see something from Southern Asia, the Pacific, or Sub-Saharan Africa. Japan would definitely be super interesting too.

As a Hindu i am craving for the Hindu myths to be implemented in the AOM gameplay. I had the entire Civ and Techtree planned as well as the campaign story line since 2003....

So the Persians has no place in your list?

Dreamtime mythology is really fun, but its hard to represent the thousands of different cultures in a pantheon. But you could have major gods such as the rainbow serpant. You also have crazy mythological creatures ranging from giant creatures, to bunyips, to fairies, or other weird and wonderful creatures.

Maybe Hindus could be in a new game, call it Age of Faith, that is made up of real world religions.

@SanteriPerma

12 күн бұрын

Cringe

Celt's should gain favor from having large herds of cattle

@royasturias1784

14 күн бұрын

Or the Celts (Gaels in OP's case) should build Temples near trees due to their strong affinity with trees (oak, ash, yew) as the mediators between the mortal realm and the divine realm, with high probability of regrowing trees from stumps.

I know you said no Abrahamic religions, but if you didn't care about stepping on all the toes, you could do Judaism, Christianity and Islam as the 3 major "Gods", and have the minor gods be different ways the Abrahamic religions changed over millennia.

@royasturias1784

14 күн бұрын

When OP said no Abrahamics, he meant it, after all there is only one common God, just called by any other name and nickname. Look at the MOBA game SMITE. No Judge Samson, no Gideon, no Saint Paul, no Archangel Metatron...

The Chinese was a disaster for original AOM.

How about Incas? 😢

@royasturias1784

2 күн бұрын

Lack of myth units and cryptids, and even more extensive details since Andean nations in general (including the proto-Inca polity of Tihuanaku) had left behind nothing written, beyond quipus, oral recollections from Quechua and Aymara peoples and few mural paintings

Almost I agree....almost. Aztec are super booring I am sorry they were not impressive as civilization call me all the buzz words you want but they are irl warm water during a hot day. Africa would be amazing to be coverd we kinda have some some in Egypt. Romans are overdone despite the " I think daily about the muh rome". Slavs we really need some representation in games and not only but hopre proper representation to our culture not netflix withcer. Slavs would be similar to norse but difrent at the same time. Japan...ehh...sure

I thought Gaels are succesors of Scota the Egyptian woman

Cool video, but I disagree with some things, tbh. 1. Romans are too *historic* a faction. We are talking about Atlantis and the Trojan war. Somehow the Romans don't fit into that. 2. Aztecs thrived from 1300 to 1500 AD. Again, as awesome their aesthetics are, they don't fit in. The olmecs are a better candidate in my opinion. Still great video, though!

@asherchadwick7716

15 күн бұрын

Olmecs wouldn't work at all. We know next to nothing about their religion or mythology. We don't even know the name of their gods. Besides Aztec myth didn't start with the Aztec empire. It began with Nahua people and their beliefs which are just as old as any set of myths and folk religion. So they can just grab elements from older versions of Nahua culture and society. All of the factions in the game are a mix of time periods. The Greeks are combination of Archaic, Ancient and Classical Greece. The Egyptians combine elements from the Old, Middle and New Kingdoms. The Norse are based on the Nordic Bronze Age, Vendel Period and Viking Age. Age of Mythology is not set in any one time period but is rather a patchwork of pop culture, romanticism and genuine mythology and history that feels right

@dglukesluthier

14 күн бұрын

@@spear-slayer3159 completely agree

@SanteriPerma

12 күн бұрын

IT'S A GAME ABOUT MYTHOLOGY NOT HISTORY

@SanteriPerma

12 күн бұрын

I'm going bald replying to these comments

Is everyone forgetting that the Aztecs do not in any way fit the time period as a late Medieval culture? Why not go for a similarly themed but more contemporary civ like Olmec, Maya or even something slightly vaguer like Mexica?

@tomasstanek2982

15 күн бұрын

There is no timeframe.

@dglukesluthier

14 күн бұрын

@@tomasstanek2982 ancient Egypt, Greece and proto norse, it is clearly set in pre-roman antiquity.

@SanteriPerma

12 күн бұрын

​@@dglukesluthier this video is about mythology not history. Do youhave tiny eyes? The title says Age of MYTHOLOGY not Age of HISTORY or Age of Empires 1½

The problem with Aztecs is their time frame, I think it would be much more appropriate for AoM to go with older Central American cultures, not one that existed at the same time as the late medieval period in Europe. Like the Maya or Toltecs. They also suffer from the same problem Romans do in that the Atlanteans borrow a lot from them, mainly architecture, and the problem the Chinese have in that they're very isolated.

Even if romans are not the atlantean, they just are, destroyers are the legionaries scutum style shield murmillo is a gladiator from rome, the mythic creatures are from the romans too, and also latinized words, i dont think they gonna do rome, we already have rome

I think there's a really cool way to do Rome in AoM actuallly. Say the Aenead was RIGHT, in that bit where Arkantos and the rest of the world was dealing with Gargarensis and Poseidon's silliness, and then Kantor's whole arc, some of the defeated Trojans went to Italy, and founded what would become Rome... but right now it's a little village on a hill with six other little villages on their own hills right near by. And then you're doing definitely Rome, but Rome before Empire, Early Early Rome, before Empire, before Republic, when it's just one of many. And then you can pull in like all sorts of weird shit. EDIT: Ok... when talking about favor you talked about what to do if there multiple or all civs... but Roman Mirror Match? EDIT2: ...Why are all your mechanical suggestions for Sumer utterly unplayable? Like... if you wanted that to be playable they'd have to be broken.

There was actually some evidence for Atlantis. Romans are boring basically the same as greeks. I would rather them add more unique stuff. I disagree with adding another civ that focuses on hero's. That would strip the identity of the Greek civs. I think keeping true to the original game is the most important thing and adding stuff that fits with what is there. I'm not even sure I want to see multiple new groups of civs in retold. I'd rather them save that stuff for a new aom. A couple is fine but any more and it may not feel like the same game anymore. Power creep, similar civs, bad mechanics etc.

Inca and pre-Inca cultures have more gods and culture than at least half of those you mentioned

The Aztecs make no sense to be included since they are a modern civ from the 1400s. Aztecs should be fighting conquistadors with muskets, not Greeks who worship Zeus. If you wanted to include a Mesoamerican ancient civ that would have to be either be the Olmecs or the Mayans, who are actual ancient civilizations with deep mythological history. Also how would the Aztecs gain favor, sacrificing villagers? xd

@royasturias1784

14 күн бұрын

The Aztecs were the go-to biggest bully of Mesoamerica, isolated from the Old World affairs, and perhaps the most understood (the mestizos managed to document several things from the collapsed empire). Their neighbors (or usual targets) were the Tlaxcalans, the Chichimeca, the Purépecha and the far ethnolinguistic kin from the north (O'odham and Comanche nations) *Anachronism* was rampant and excusable, as the game was billed as the "What-If" the pantheons of major civs clash, time frame restrictions be damned. Recap: Greeks (Archaic period to the Hellenistic era), Egyptians (Iron Age and before the dynasty of General Ptolemaios), Norse (emerged long after the collapse of Western Roman Empire in mid-400s CE), Atlanteans (game-only, adopting the Titan powers in their campaign)

@kaylercj

14 күн бұрын

@@royasturias1784 The norse existed way before the colapse of the western roman empire. The barbarians germanic tribes from the north already knew Wotan and Thor, so they are atleast from around the time period of the late ancient greeks. Having a civ that originated from the same time period of firearms makes no sense, specielty when the Olmecs and Mayans are good civs from ancient periods and the Aztecs took their mythology anyway. So there is no point to incluide such modern civ.

@royasturias1784

13 күн бұрын

Aztecs, modern civ to the timeline or your standards, but actually advanced primitive, relative to geographic isolation from the constantly changing Old World... Norsemen (or the one Christian missionary) never ventured further than present-day American state of New Jersey. Metalworks was limited to ornaments, essential household tools and ceremonial implements. Their thickest armor pieces (ichcahuipilli) were made of cotton and other plant fibers, enough to stop crossbow darts and dislodge obsidian shards from the attacker's macuahuitl.

@kaylercj

13 күн бұрын

@@royasturias1784 I call them modern civ because of the time period they existed on, not because they where technologically advanced. Same as Inca.

@SanteriPerma

12 күн бұрын

Bro this is trying to bring logic to a mythology game.

Although I don't care to much for Mythology in game, it was a good video sir.

Would be cool to have some that are not tied to any cultures like we had with atlanteans. One I can think of his hyberborea, which has mammoths and gnomes. Would love to recreate the war between Proto-Finnic Holy Roman Khaganate and (possibly) The Great Hwan Empire lol (not to forget the minor civilizations of this conflict, Lemurians, Neanderthals, We Wuz Kans and Aliens)