Some additional thoughts/corrections: 1) Thanks to Tristan Johnson, Foreign, Thomas Frank, and Alie Astrocyte for lending me their voices for various quotes! 2) To be clear, when I said that metal bands sometimes distort the vocals, I meant they sometimes add a distortion effect to the recording. Obviously, the vocals themselves are also sometimes distorted through harsh vocal/scream techniques. 3) I learned while working on this that apparently most iconic lion roars in film are actually tiger roars, which sound different and cooler. I considered switching to that, but I thought it would be neat to include an actual clip of an actual lion. 4) I should note that Dr. Miller doesn't fully subscribe to the "surplus noise" explanation, and I think he's right to want to complicate it, but it's still a useful framework, even if it's incomplete. 5) To be clear, my disagreement with Drs. Berger and Fales is not with the idea that guitar timbres are the main surface-level thing being described by the term "heavy", I just don't think all other uses must therefore be metaphorical references to them. Difficulty-based heaviness, for instance, doesn't seem self-evidently metaphoric for guitar timbre. I would say, instead, that guitar timbres are a particularly clear and consistent instance of the metaphorical extension of what I would argue is heavy's actual primary meaning, which I get into later in the video. 6) I hope I don't get too roasted for citing Drowning Pool as an example of heaviness. I like the song, but more importantly it's one that I'm pretty confident is in drop, as opposed to using a 7-string, and the sparseness of the verse orchestration makes the downtuned rumbling really easy to hear. Besides, I cite Nile 30 seconds later, so, like, be nice to me. 7) Did I purposefully pick a particularly heavy, low-end section of Dr. Feelgood in order to prop up my claim that Motley Crue sounds sonically heavy? Sure. Is it still one of the less heavy-sounding examples in the video? Absolutely. But my point is just that it's aiming in the right direction. 8) I should note that the final definition of heaviness that I present isn't directly sourced from any particular scholarship on the topic. It's my own interpretation, from decades of experience with the genre. 9) One thing I didn't super get into in this video is metal's relation to the occult. That's certainly another aspect of its aesthetic transgression, but it's not really something that I tend to think of as "heavy" directly. Others may disagree.

@VaughanRoderick

7 ай бұрын

Just gonna point out that recently we've had a massive resurgence of bands who emulated Black Sabbaths sound and the scene who likes them, Trad Doom fans will 100% call them heavy. I should know, I'm one of them.

@idunnol0l

7 ай бұрын

Здоровья тебе побольше, брат. Отличное видео!

@Z-Ack

7 ай бұрын

Yea drowning pool kinda killed your equilibrium but gained it back with niie and lorna.. kinda like saying your going to a nickleback show.. thered be a certain number of people who would laugh at you..

@Z-Ack

7 ай бұрын

You did however fail to mention pantera. The godamn staple of groove metal and power metal.. but the one metal band most all heads will agree on..

@Coolguy8623

7 ай бұрын

14:10 my favorite part of this video Very good vid, love the drawings too

Shouting out bands with 462 monthly listeners on Spotify. Hell yeah, doing the good work

@TRUSTLBLACKMETAL

7 ай бұрын

Yes, agreed. The name drops on here were spot on. This man did his work.

@llaeeZ

7 ай бұрын

Excellent examples all around.

@vsevolodalipov4375

7 ай бұрын

Would be even better if he linked the songs in the description I think. I now have to rewatch the video to find the cool examples again... though maybe it's part of the plan?

@trip4923

7 ай бұрын

​@@vsevolodalipov4375Are we too lazy to type things into a search now?

@NathanJamesJerritze

Ай бұрын

not the ones with 463. Those sellouts are less heavy than blink-182

I always felt that slow music really is better described as heavy while for extremely fast music the term brutal just feels more appropriate in my opinion.

@metalheads-golf

7 ай бұрын

Some low sludge metal goes a long way. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

@hunkwasbisyan007

7 ай бұрын

Death-doom 😎🤘🏽

@SuffyANX

7 ай бұрын

I always think of it as faster metal being (usually) more chaotic and/or aggressive, slower metal generally more foreboding or massive sounding. Like comparing being mauled by a pack of rabid dogs vs mauled by a huge polar bear. Both can be equally intense and heavy, but in different ways

@hendrikm9569

7 ай бұрын

@@SuffyANX The way I would define heavy is feeling massive and oppressive / depressing. And as with heavy matter, it tends to be slow. Based on this, I personally wouldn't classify fast music as heavy. That doesn't mean, that it is in any way inferior or anything, but, like I originally said, in my opinion there is a big difference between being heavy and being brutal. They scratch very different itches and therefore it seems sensible to classify them differently.

@abstract0014

7 ай бұрын

That actually makes sense.

Thanks for making a video directly at me, Cory!

@thepyrotechnician

7 ай бұрын

Worlds collide. Love your content Adam \m/

@DAFLIDMAN

7 ай бұрын

Wait are you a metal head?

@shroomlord682

7 ай бұрын

@@DAFLIDMAN he wears a dio shirt in a lot of his vids

@haldir108

7 ай бұрын

@@DAFLIDMAN He did a full metallica discography and brief history rundown on his podcast, sometime around the last album's release. His opinions however don't match mine, so there's no way he can be a *REAL* metalhead. /s

@Tylervrooman

7 ай бұрын

Love your podcast!!

One note on the slowness aspect: I think this calls back to what you were saying at the start about heaviness being about the sound of something physically massive. Deep, powerful sounds at a slow rate conjur up the image of a behemoth creature, its footsteps crashing into the earth. Fast tempos are a threshing machine, slow tempos are a colossus.

@zkassai.audio.2

7 ай бұрын

I love this. Fast implies direct violence, high energy, aggression, danger; slow implies massive, unstoppable, even unfathomable - consider "Battery" versus "Call of Cthulhu", how their tempos align with their subject matter

@spicymeatballs2thespicening

7 ай бұрын

Reminds me how slam metal, one of the most stompy, chuggy, brutal types of death metal with deep inhuman gutturals as vocals, tends to have massive monsters on their album covers for some reason

@pauljs75

7 ай бұрын

And you can occasionally find both in the same song. To bring out contrast, as a counterpoint, and to provide the occasional break like the calm before the storm. The little moment of contemplation and relative peace isn't going to last for long, which makes the parts that go hard seem that much more intense.

@jamesgeorge4874

7 ай бұрын

​@@spicymeatballs2thespicening low frequency energy is darker too.

@JoeDaveycrockettsoundlabs

7 ай бұрын

To double down on the slowness aspect as in fact being heavy, bands like YOB and The Sword I would consider heavy as hell.

A big part of metal is expanding your tolerance to inaccessible sounds I’d say. It’s fun and increasingly rewarding so it adds a whole new dimension to it. Started with Sabaton and Ghost, now I’m jamming Vildhjarta every day.

@imnotgivingmynametoamachine683

7 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing, it reminds me of spicy food. Its hard to realize exactly when spicy = good happens in your brain, just like I don't know whether I ever would have heard a "heavy" song for the first time and started headbanging immediately. It is kind of an acquired taste but once you acquire it, you keep seeking it out and your definition of heavy (like hot) constantly changes and expands. I think there is also a pavalovian response there where we listen to heavy music in "heavy" situations, reinforcing its heaviness cyclically.

@mastertonberry9224

7 ай бұрын

thall

@nathanielblomberg2943

6 ай бұрын

Exactly this lmao. I remeber the first time i heard Ne Obliviscaris and i thought it was just incomprehensible mush with a violin thrown in there. Hearing them again 6 months later was a real eyeopener. Its cool to think of myself as "getting better" at listening to music.

@edgygingerkid9525

6 ай бұрын

thall

@brent3522

6 ай бұрын

Started with Avenged Sevenfold, now jamming to Brain Drill lmao

A big part of modern metal guitar tone is actually EQ. Mid frequencies are boosted hard into a very distorted preamp, and then those mids are taken back out after the preamp. This results in bass frequencies being much less distorted, and more prominent, while adding a lot of sustain in the mids, and the highs are also not harsh. The bass provides the thump, because it's not crushed into a flabby mess, the mids provide endless sustain while not being overbearing or harsh, and the highs provide subtle definition. This is how the really massive sounding palm mutes are achieved.

@Torthrodhel

7 ай бұрын

As a very untechnical pedal-less person who's only ever plugged a guitar into an amp and put the knobs on it how I like them, that's interesting to learn how it's done properly. I get an okay sound and I kinda like the 'barn door engineer' basicness of it, but I wouldn't say I'd shy away from something more biting either. At the same time I kinda like the feeling of gazing in from the outside as a rank amateur. Retains a sense of wonder, y'know? But yeah that sounds like a cool setup from how I'm picturing it in my head (and am sure have heard plenty, including probably from some of this video's examples?).

@yourbrojohno

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for helping me add sonic weight to my palm mutes.

@Patrick-857

7 ай бұрын

@@Torthrodhel All you need is a fairly high gain amp with an EQ section and a Tubescreamer style overdrive pedal to get it. The pedal is there to boost mids and drive the amp harder, and then EQ the result to taste on the amp. A lot of big name metal guitarists used to throw a rack mount graphic EQ in the effects loop of the amp to get surgical with their tone, but that's not necessary to get a passible metal tone.

@josku5

7 ай бұрын

Except in most cases the bass is actually what makes the whole thing sound heavy. The guitars have some bass frequencies usually cut off to not enter into the bass guitar’s territory. And that has the very low frequencies cut to not meddle with the kick drum. And thus you get a full sounding mix where you hear every instrument and it sounds damn heavy.

@Patrick-857

7 ай бұрын

@@josku5 This is true. When I talk about lows, it's relative of course.

The Brotherhood of steel symbol at 18:02 for "what's unlikely to change" really got me. I had to spend a moment to realize why, and it's because "War. War never changes." The fact that you've put such an deep Fallout reference right there amazes me, and it's in perfect reference with everything you said about the culture of defining heavy metal, radiation, cold war and everything. Kudos to you for that one!

As someone quite involved in electronic music scenes like drum n bass and dubstep it is really interesting to me that metal's quest for heaviness and and genres like dubstep and hardcore getting more and more intense drops are basically just two sides of the same coin

@rayinkorea

7 ай бұрын

Your gateway drugs: Sleep Token and Spiritbox

@theblah12

7 ай бұрын

Not surprisingly there’s a lot of bands that are blending the two together now.

@sykoteddy

7 ай бұрын

I listen a lot to electronic music as well! I think you can compare a heavy drop in electronic music with a breakdown in deathcore, take for example those in Lorna Shore's "Into the Hellfire".

@ZekeNigma

7 ай бұрын

Not only that, but certain electronic styles were pioneered by people with a background in heavy music, such as breakcore and industrial. And yes, as someone who listens to both metal and electronic, I agree with them being two sides of the same coin in that aspect. I tend to find myself gravitating towards the more heavy and aggressive sounding styles of electronic because they give me that similar feeling of heaviness like metal does.

@L1ama

6 ай бұрын

Tokimonsta and Pendulum are interesting examples of people with metal backgrounds going into electronic

I saw an older interview with Roger Glover of Deep Purple a long time ago where he said they finally figured out the key ingredient to what makes a song heavy: attitude. Not speed, not volume...but attitude.

@cbrindle91

7 ай бұрын

Hell. Yes. "Perfect Strangers" should be rated among the heavier tunes out there; the riff in there isn't the fastest, but damn it has attitude. Fun fact: It's the riff inspired the middle section of Metallica's "Damage Inc."

@ryano.5149

7 ай бұрын

@@luke5100 I think that's what so many people get so wrong about one of my favorite songs (bear with me here) "Smoke on the Water." Sure, when it's that kid in the music store, or a mediocre cover band, it's "Oh god, not that cliche again..." But if you don't feel anything when you hear Ritchie Blackmore himself play the riff...bro...do you even have a pulse?

@violetraven9440

7 ай бұрын

That is a very good way to describe it I like a lot of metal and punk and even though the misfits can be super fast even in the punk scene they’re not the most heavy at least to me then you have bands like Alpha Wolf super heavy metalcore high energy and on the flip side all of doom metal and for punk Black flag some of them have elements of heaviness but are not really heavy but most do

@beeble2003

7 ай бұрын

Eh. Sounds profound but it's just dodging the question. "What makes music heavy?" "Attitude." "OK, so what makes an attitude heavy?" "Er..."

@Shadoefeenicks

7 ай бұрын

@@beeble2003 not really, that's just circular reasoning. If the person you're answering knows what attitude means in a musical/cultural context, then you don't have to explain it any further. If they don't, then you explain what attitude means, not what makes "an attitude" heavy.

Well done, I am a metalhead and I think you hit everything on the head and taught me a few things as well. Amazing content.

@meatharbor

7 ай бұрын

I love that, even when it's only half an inch tall and scrolling at full speed, I can immediately pick out Galder's bald ass doing the ridiculous shit he does with his face. It's like if there's even a single visual recording device somewhere in a room that man will find it and get mugging. I've always respected Galder for having the balls to put all that time and effort into getting into corpse paint and then just making the face of an excited puppy on stage for an entire set like a real-life Toki Wartooth. He's probably my favorite Demon Burger that's not Vortex.

@tyr4489

7 ай бұрын

12tone is a metalhead himself

@tiyenin

7 ай бұрын

One of my favorite uses of slow breakdowns is Infant Annihilator's "Baptized, Bastardised, Sodomised." The very beginning is an inhuman 225 BPM (it's more correctly described as 75 BPM subdivided into 12-tuplets), immediately followed by a not a halving, not a quartering, but at LEAST a 64th-ing of the time, where the bass and snare hits are separated by about 6 seconds. Right after that, it pops back up to 150 (16ths/32nds instead of 12-tuplets). It's hard to describe in words how incredibly hilarious yet substantially heavy this riff is - I recommend a listen of the first 52 seconds of this song to see what I'm failing to actually capture with words.

@tiyenin

7 ай бұрын

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@BG-wp3do

7 ай бұрын

​@@tiyeninthe thing with infant annihilator is they're a studio band...OP is right that a lot of the technical wizardry is meant to assert authority or inspire envy in the audience. that sort of disappears when the band is seen as "cheating" in some way and unable to play the material live. there was quite a big controversy in power metal when it looked like DragonForce couldn't play their own songs. the exception to this is black metal where there are lots of studio-only projects but the whole ethos of that genre is a completely different thing and probably the main omission from this video.

From a metalhead who constantly tries to describe “heavy” to everyone around me, this could not be more spot on. I love that you shined the light on the historical context to the evolving landscape of metal and the way that we’re always chasing the next evolution. It’s an imperfect wave that seems to always get better 🤘🏼

I've worked with lots of electronic producers who also make heavy music, and what many people fail to understand is that you need to unbalance people to make music heavy. The most visceral, heavy sound is like torture. The moment comes not when your head's first dunked in the water, but when you come up for a breath and just before you finish taking a lungful of air it shoves you back down, and you have just enough time to realize you're going back in. That's when it hits you.

@RockandRollWoman

7 ай бұрын

Really nice analogy. Very creative. 👍

@Nutty31313

7 ай бұрын

Contrast is one of the most powerful tools you can use in song writing, and it applies to pretty much any genre, metal included.

@RockandRollWoman

6 ай бұрын

@Nutty31313 Jimmy Page, Mr Light and Shade, taught me that. Mrs. Rufty, my grade school music teacher, probably tried years earlier, but rock and roll was the only point of entry.

Two reasons why I support your Patreon: 1. You help me understand music I know, like Tracy Chapman's "Fast Car" 2. You help me understand music I don't know, like metal. I'm a better music theorist and a better composer for having watched your channel, and I really have fun listening to the way you break things down. Thank you.

@SingularlyNaked

7 ай бұрын

I'll see those and raise you a 3. Impeccable sense of comic timing!

@jovetj

7 ай бұрын

And 4. He's probably hot.

@SingularlyNaked

7 ай бұрын

@@jovetj So you know, I believe Cory prefers they/them pronouns. Other than that, you may be right.

@jovetj

7 ай бұрын

@@SingularlyNaked That's great. I don't recognize such nonsense.

@Kiaulen

7 ай бұрын

Funny, it's the reverse for me. I had barely even heard of fast car, but I can say with confidence that Cory's metal examples are impeccable.

14:30 I died at the laugh over “slow not being heavy”😂 I’m a drone/doom metal musician who enjoys and writes VERY slow tempos. A lot of drone/doom is hovering around 40bpm and bands like Sunn O))) frequently use free time that holds chords for minutes.

@maillardsbearcat

7 ай бұрын

Yeah "slower" seems intuitively "heavy" to me. You know, like a heavy giant monster taking one step would be extremely slow?

@bradsweeney8695

7 ай бұрын

Chipmunks On 16 Speed, is Alvin and the Chipmunks pop songs that are slowed down. It really gives some weight to pop rock cover songs.

@wingracer1614

7 ай бұрын

I can't stand the non stop, wall to wall, never changing blast beats of much of modern metal. No variation, no creativity, no interest. Give me slow and ponderous any day.

@maillardsbearcat

7 ай бұрын

@@wingracer1614 I can't stand it either. I played in bands in the Sumerian-core days. I miss those kinds of creative riffage.

@neverclosetoperfect

7 ай бұрын

@@maillardsbearcat I feel like there's a weird place where heaviness diverges, either being heavier by being slower, or heavier by being faster. Primitive Man and Nails are bands I would consider equally heavy, but they're polar opposites.

I've always felt like what makes metal feel "heavy" is that it makes you focus so strongly on the pulse. That's why you bang your head to it. Everything else about the music is generally chosen to overstimulate you. This is because you wouldn't just sit there banging your head to the drum by itself for very long. "Heaviness" is that quality which makes metal more of a meditative/dissociative rhythmic experience. This is also why it's weightlifting music. Update: not deleting because I'm proud that the video validated me

@deathnsd6953

7 ай бұрын

true that also with movie scores too...action scenes are better with metal...just look at the latest transformer movie...bunch of rap/hiphop in the scenes took AWAY from the experience..it just didnt vibe together...just made it lame

Another thing to acount for is contrast. If a song is the same amount of heavy all the way through you'll get accustomed to it. But if you first condition the listener with a less heavy segment, then go all out afterwards it will hit that much harder, making it feel much heavier as well.

@magicsofa

7 ай бұрын

I feel this is the main thing missing from a lot of metal bands, that try to just go hard 100% of the time, always screaming, shredding, blast-beating... it quickly turns into a boring drone. Even within a segment, sometimes it can seem heavier when you actually leave more space, such as the classic "power chord on 1 and then let the drums breathe." Less is more!

@IlIlIlIlIlIlIllIlIII

6 ай бұрын

I'd say the exact opposite. Songs that thunder on like industrial machinery feel way heavier than songs that prance around with different tempos and modes too much. Can't think of anything more corny than those drops grindcore bands do. A fun note is that the reply above used the term "drone" to symbolize boring metal, while Drone is one of the heaviest genres in all of metal. The heaviest song I've heard is probably Midvinterblot by Unleashed.

@magicsofa

6 ай бұрын

@@IlIlIlIlIlIlIllIlIII we're talking about dynamics, or changes in loudness, rather than changes in pitch or tempo

@Hadgerz

6 ай бұрын

@@magicsofa The breakdown is a prime example of how far off the mark this is. I don't think there's a single band out there these days that just goes all-out constantly thrashing with no mixup of dynamics in the mix.

@magicsofa

6 ай бұрын

@@Hadgerz when I tune into college radio I hear a pretty mixed bag, some bands have good dynamics, but I feel like I always hear at least one song that's just trying way too hard to be intense throughout the whole track. Happens with pop music too, with being overly epic and/or emotional.

“If your riff isn’t heavy in standard tuning, it’s not heavy. It’s just low.” Goddamn right! 🤘

@Torthrodhel

7 ай бұрын

I disagree with that bit. Tuning down can definitely make the same riff feel heavier. So can distortion. He makes a point about it not being some sort of auto-heavifying tool, but it's not 100% the case. There's still something to be said for the characters of different keys, even different tuning bases, and definitely lowness. Lowness can absolutely add heaviness. It's not an all-purpose guarantee for achieving a songwriting goal, but then I don't think anything is, for any goal. It can still be generally applicable. I personally go down to a drop G and find that it lends heft to my stuff. Be realistic. Imagine some riff I might write in that, then imagine plonking it up five octaves. You're seriously going to say it ought to sound equally heavy, so as to be able to judge it via the reverse process, starting with that super-high version? Nah. Now contract that illustrative exaggeration down to the actual example of normal tuning. Same principle, just a more subtle magnitude. I tend to think it follows the same logic.

@cbrindle91

7 ай бұрын

@@Torthrodhel bass players must hate you... Get out their register with that guitar. 😂

@particlejim

7 ай бұрын

I've been saying this for a while, my band recent decided to abandon Drop B and tune up to Drop D... Still a drop tuning, but in today's world of 10 string baritone guitars in Drop π it's pretty quaint, it's only a whole step off standard tuning... I have found that since we decided to tune higher the quality of our riffs has improved massively because we can't just rely on lowness to provide the heavy

@Torthrodhel

7 ай бұрын

@@cbrindle91 not sure I'm not playing a bass myself, as I took half the strings off it anyway. Eh I'm not calling myself a player of anything aside from piano (my first instrument and the one that I can actually play properly), anyway. Maybe voice too. Definitely not any sort of guitar. The way I play though, such that it is, probably more in the role of a rhythm guitar than a bass, or maybe some sort of hybrid. But I thumb across a power chord mixing in the odd changed 'high' string, anyway. So I figure I can't count. Definitely no need for any jealousy, lol. Unless it's songwriting - now that, I am good at. Playing notsomuch. I love the register though, it just seems to be the one that works for me. Also always go a tiny arbitrary bit above tuning root as I know the pop standard was designed to scientifically maximize annoyance and that's not the quality I want from my stuff. Think it makes a little bit of difference. Eh I come from piano. In piano you can use any register you like. With my guitar I just figured why not do the same. On piano I tended to play quite low in general, so I guess that just got ported over somewhat.

@cbrindle91

7 ай бұрын

@@Torthrodhel I was gonna say something about you playing the piano. Figures you already are a piano player if you tuning a guitar way down there. 😂 Some people just have to feel that thump of the low end. For real, try a bass. Haha

When talking about distortion and instruments other than guitar I think it's important to mention which instrument was the first to feature distortion - the drum. Adding a snare to the bottom of a drum was the first form of distortion and is still widely used today. We don't call the sound of a snare drum "heavy", but the sound of floor toms and kick drums can be very heavy.

@Alan_Duval

7 ай бұрын

Vocal distortion, albeit not generally to modern extremes, preceded guitar distortion, too.

@itscorvid358

7 ай бұрын

I absolutely call the sound of a snare drum heavy

Love that you used Nile as an example. It's obvious that you really dug into the genre in order to explain it well which is greatly appreciated. Keep it up!

@RazeAVillage

7 ай бұрын

I thought it was awesome he included Nile. Great band.

Another thing you forgot to mention is rhythmic dissonance. Accent displacement and polymeters/polyrhythms are essential to modern metal. Bands like Meshuggah, Periphery and Animals as Leaders utilize these along with tritones to create insanely intricate music akin to classical music and jazz.

@metalheads-golf

7 ай бұрын

Yeszzzzz so agreed. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

@zinAab79

7 ай бұрын

Agree, metal now relies a lot in dissonance and odd time signatures. This makes not only the harmony but rhythm be part of the cycle of tension/release, and that's great.

@ElephantDestroyer

7 ай бұрын

This is simply false. Pretty much only microgenres (I'm calling into dissodeath, avant-garde grindcore, and very small niches within dissoblack) hold that as a pillar for composition. Those bands are not representative of the current state of metal, they are all over a decade old.

@sayidofreach7385

7 ай бұрын

@@ElephantDestroyer I didn’t state them being essential as a fact. That was my opinion. They may all be over a decade old, but are still making music, are relatively popular enough to be considered modern in my opinion and still influence the creation of many similar bands.

@ElephantDestroyer

7 ай бұрын

@@sayidofreach7385 They are without a doubt influential, but popularity measures public reception in relative quantity, not age. What you may say is they are still relevant and popular in modern times.

The laugh at the idea of slow isn't heavy summed up my reaction perfectly. "Yeah, right, get a load of this!" Vids like these not only do well in reminding me that you're a metalhead, yourself, but also give me words to describe things that I didn't even know I needed or lacked the words for. Thank you, and stay awesome \m/

The key thing about distortion is that it's nonlinear. When distorted, more isn't just more, it's different. With multiple notes, it can give you frequencies that are _lower_ than any of the fundamentals. Take a power chord, you have two cycles of the root summed with three cycles of the fifth. Now shave off the tops and bottoms of that combined waveform - you get a distorted waveform that's as long as two cycles of the root. Think of it as a new note with a fundamental frequency an octave below the root.

@Patrick-857

7 ай бұрын

That's true but it also ads tons of higher harmonics.

@Jasonmakesvideo

7 ай бұрын

Don't forget the overtones

@K_R_N.

7 ай бұрын

This explains why playing an octave on a bass sounds like a 5th

To me, heaviness is in the dynamics. Battery by Metallica will always be one of the heaviest songs ever in my ears because it starts out with relatively quiet acoustic guitar harmonies, basically requiring you to set your volume to taste to enjoy that section, only for the full band to kick in with fully electrified instruments and heavy drums. Sabbath was also good with this, blending softer passages with more aggressive and louder ones to convey a complexity of emotion and a range of severity. Their self-titled track is a perfect example, with whispering verses and roaring choruses. If everything is heavy, it can often feel like nothing is. Having peace disrupted is arguably more dramatic and more engaging than never having known it. This can reconcile why antiquated metal sounds from the 60s and 70s are still heavy, even by modern production and composition standards.

@geraintwd

7 ай бұрын

I think this is much the same thing that Led Zeppelin did with "Stairway to Heaven" - it starts off slow and dreamy and gets progressively faster and heavier throughout the song. There are some great examples in metal, where a pleasant, almost classical sounding melody is juxtaposed with a much heavier and recognisably "metal" sound. That juxtaposition emphasizes the heaviness by contrasting it with the more melodic or symphonic passages, with Battery being a good example. Metallica have several songs that follow a similar pattern as well. In fact, they did exactly the same thing with the previous album - listen to the opening track from the "Ride The Lightning" album - "Fight Fire With Fire". The title track of "...And Justice For All" does something similar.

@ZDS104

7 ай бұрын

You've got some interesting thoughts. I view Metallica as a guilty pleasure due to them being so mainstream. They aren't the heaviest band on earth when it comes to that distortion sound, but them mixing in undistorted sounds in otherwise heavy songs gives some feeling of awe that I fail to get from many other heavy metal bands. Not to mention something I feel like the guy in the video failed to address: the lyrics. Heavy Metal lyrics naturally tackles heavy subjects that pop music is unable to carry the weight of. Much of Metallica's lyrics concerns the darkest thinks existence has to offer. Listening to the song "one" resulted in me feeling depressed when thinking about it's subject matter. And that comes from someone who actually likes the sound of the first sound clip played in this video.

@stacyswirl

7 ай бұрын

I completely agree, and this obviously plays into the whole "the breakdown is often the heaviest part of a modern metal song", as that's where the dynamics can really shine. I've never cared for songs that stick with a blast style beat throughout the entire song, it gives me no room to feel the heaviness.

@ImThe5thKing

7 ай бұрын

The best one by Metallica in that regard is The Thing That Should Not Be. Definitely Metallica's heaviest song and it has a similar intro to Battery

@Strideo1

7 ай бұрын

@@ZDS104 A guilty pleasure due to them being so mainstream? Who knew metal heads were such hipsters? 😛

can't believe there isn't a single mention of sincopation throughout this entire vid. riffs like dream theater's in the name of god intro and opeth's the grand conjuration's chorus are face melting specifically because of their sincopation

@franciscogarza4921

6 ай бұрын

When I saw the title of the video, I thought, “The Grand Conjuration has got to be featured on this” I was very sad it wasn’t 🥲

"Time signatures are for cowards" lol. Great video! Makes so much sense to break it down like this and make this genre so accessible

It’s interesting because music of all genres has the potential to be heavy. Dubstep can be extremely heavy and at times, so can jazz or classical. To me, I think it’s mostly rhythmic and the sonic delivery. Love the vid. Would be interesting for you to dive into Djent and Thall, as I think they’re worthy of a part of this idea.

@Patrick-857

7 ай бұрын

Dubstep is the metal of electronic genres. There's a lot of crossover between Dubstep, at least the more well known stuff not the original Dubstep, the so called "brostep" and metal. A lot of Dubstep guys started out playing guitar and were metalheads, and that's definitely reflected in the sound.

@garrettgoss2691

7 ай бұрын

I'd love to see an episode going all in on explaining Djent. Especially how it is, in fact, a genre

@ZeugmaP

7 ай бұрын

Skrillex had a screamo band before he became famous in dubstep (From First to Last) so it makes sense

@thezipcreator

7 ай бұрын

@@Patrick-857 I'd say breakcore is more the "metal" of electronic genres at this point (it sounds "heavier" to me at least), although dubstep doesn't exactly not fit into that description

@Xarlable

7 ай бұрын

@@thezipcreator dubstep definitely fits especially with how much of it straight up incorporates metal riffs and tones sometimes, I'd argue breakcore is better compared to grindcore and not just because both go crazy fast

Just one minor correction here: properly downtuned guitars don't have looser strings, you just need heavier string gauges to compensate the tension, adjust the springs, action, neck etc. In the end the goal is to have the guitar feel almost the same way as a standard tuned one.

@BradsGonnaPlay

7 ай бұрын

I agree with you except 1. That is not a “minor” correction, it’s straight up misinformation. 2. That was your only note? This video had so many bad takes, specifically that Black Sabbath is “quaint” by today’s standard of heavy. That part was laughable. Supernaut, Black Sabbath (song), Snowblind, Children of the Grave, literally all of Volume 4 (and yes, I’m including Changes because the lyrics are heavy). If these songs were recorded today by an engineer like Jamie King, they’d be classified as heavy metal, no argument.

@pjket4229

7 ай бұрын

@@BradsGonnaPlayblack sabbath IS quaint by todays standards

@metalheads-golf

7 ай бұрын

Some 0.73 for the drop A on the Baritone guitar. It's beastly. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

@_manox_

7 ай бұрын

Just out of interest, because I'm not a guitar player: On my violin, the lower strings are looser (even though they have a higher gauge). So can't both be the case? Also, in a quick search, I didn't find any strings designed specifically for drop D tuning.

@metalheads-golf

7 ай бұрын

@@_manox_ I'm very much into heavy and low tunings and there are almost infinite possibilities and brands which povide this. One big on is GHS with their Boomers line. D'Addario, Ernie Ball and Elixir just to name a few. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

To me, metal and heaviness is about intensity. It's about matching the intensity of my inner turmoil. It's not necessarily about anger, it can be about any emotion, and often a chaotic mix of emotion, because that's how life is. It only looks like transgression because those intense emotions aren't always welcomed in society. When someone can create absolute chaos and still retain full control, it's actually soothing in a way, or cathartic. Listening to metal music is like having your feelings validated that you may not know how to express otherwise.

“You can have an acoustic guitar and a clean reverb voice, and make the heaviest thing ever.” - Scott Reeder

@Torthrodhel

7 ай бұрын

In that case I don't honestly think I've heard the heaviest thing ever. To me that takes at least something away from it. Clean voice maybe notsomuch, but acoustic instrument almost definitely.

@nondescriptcat5620

7 ай бұрын

Opeth's Damnation album

@vik8596

7 ай бұрын

That’s hilarious because you just cannot do that

@user-rl7hm7ix5n

7 ай бұрын

@@nondescriptcat5620 I really like damnation, but wouldn't call it heavy at all

Paying attention to Beethoven and the way he composed his music has a lot of similarities with metal

@kevinwillems8720

7 ай бұрын

See I prefer this phrasing of this point. Like, so many people say x composer invented metal, blatantly ignoring the blues roots of the genera. This, doesn't do that.

@alansouthall8221

7 ай бұрын

what similarities? interested to learn more about that

@kevinwillems8720

7 ай бұрын

Like, yeah. You can definitely hear those similarities in like Beethoven's 5th

@Nowayy89

7 ай бұрын

I KNOW RIGHT!! I love it when Beethoven utilized drop C tuning in a 5/8 time signature whilst shredding the minor pentatonic scale with blue notes added!!!

@alemutasa6189

7 ай бұрын

​@@alansouthall8221third movement of Moonlight Sonata. I'm no expert, but if that's not metal I don't know what is

Many folks seem to equate heaviness with “extremeness” now And just because bands like Meshuggah exist, Black Sabbath, early Priest, and Deep Purple don’t suddenly cease to be metal. I still think Godflesh’s Streetcleaner is one of the heaviest albums of all time. And lots of the early protometal bands branched out and transcended earlier categorization.

@zinAab79

7 ай бұрын

Streetcleaner is one of the best examples of a heavy album, it works so well. I always separate heavyness from extremeness. Some extreme bands sound brutal, and stunning with a lot of things happening, but the overal tone of all is very thin, when instruments are pushed to high levels of speed and distortion some strange things start to happen, the kick drum becames just a little click without body, same with the snare tone. Bass sound compressed without time to breath and guitar tone is just thin because is the only way to have some clarity. When you play fast music with a slow/midtempo sound setting it sounds just like mud. Wich is not always bad, but it depends on the goals of every band. Not every metal band is aiming for heavyness as a prime goal, some bands priorize things like sounding psychedelic, cinematic or avant-garde rather than pure raw power.

@ultrahighgain412

7 ай бұрын

@dirk62457 I agree. I think Godflesh would have had better results with a real drummer. Maybe the machine gave them a particular sound that they were going for. Or perhaps they just hadn't found "the guy." Your point about the clarity of the guitar is accurate. That's where metal drums were heading though very midrange, very mechanical.

@exchlodus_

5 ай бұрын

I think most metalheads would agree Black Sabbath and Deep Purple are more metal than Meshuggah ever could try to be. Like you said, "heaviness" does not equal metal. There has to be the fuckin metal spirit there yk?

This analysis in mind I'd love to hear your thoughts on shoegaze bands like My Bloody Valentine. The distortion and "heaviness" changes meaning from being powerful to being overwhelmingly melancholic, despite the techniques used to create it being very similar.

@L1ama

6 ай бұрын

And then there's Alcest for the crossover

I relate heavy to slow fat sounding riffs. I think Electric Wizard sounds extremely heavy

@davidrafferty2491

6 ай бұрын

electric wizard is to me, the platonic form of heavy music. the mix of tempo, register, and intervals is perfect. They also play relatively simple riffs, which i think is an underestimated quality of heavy. I would say the Pyramids at Giza are a very "heavy" structure and the raw simplicity of the form (as well as scale, duh) is part of that. frills and flowery phrases always lighten music. They use lots of descending movement in their riffs which adds to that "crushing" effect.

just a little addendum to the down-tuning thing: You can counter the added "looseness" of the string by a) getting thicker strings and b) longer scale length guitars. A thicker string reacts differently to the plek and the pickup, getting more attack and a higher signal and the longer scale makes it vibrate longer. So, with everything else the same (amp, effects etc.) it feels heavier.

@CAPTAIN_CLOCK

4 ай бұрын

Or just getting a guitar with more strings. Like 7 strings. Or 8. Or 9. Or 10. You get the idea.

@TripleTSingt

4 ай бұрын

@@CAPTAIN_CLOCKwell, those guitars use thicker string gauges and longer scale lengths. Makes no difference for the low strings if it's a 7 string or a down-tuned 6 string. More strings mainly gives you more range (since tuning the whole guitar down gives you more low notes, but less high notes)

Black Sabbath and Lorna Shore are two of my favorite bands and to see them back to back in this video brings me joy.

Heaviness feels like some kind of combination of intensity and a kind of, just a thing to feel. I think I often hold slowness or at least a sense of slowness.

@kevinwillems8720

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, the thing you said

@robertinogochev3682

7 ай бұрын

@@kevinwillems8720 Did you reply to yourself?

@nocakewalk

7 ай бұрын

I agree. Intensity is the primary thing for me.

@kevinwillems8720

7 ай бұрын

@@robertinogochev3682 yes that was delibrate

@kevinwillems8720

7 ай бұрын

@@robertinogochev3682 although that was actually directed to 12tone

Musicians across all genres have some hilarious adjectives to describe various attributes of sound; sometimes they’re onomatopoeic, but usually they’re just filler words. “That bass is so flubby.” “Listen to that raunchy drum fill.” “This pedal gives me a squanky feel.”

Distortion is important, but it is rhythm and timbre that really cement “heaviness.” Low, dark timbres and double-bass-drum prowess are always featured in the heaviest tracks.

When I was a kid taking piano lessons, my dad would refer to Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninoff as "the heavy stuff." He was born in the 20s and didn't listen to rock of any source, so I doubt he picked up "heavy" from any of the sources you cite.

@Celatra

7 ай бұрын

well, even orchestral music can be oppressive. overwhelming and overpowering. and scary.

@jubuttib

7 ай бұрын

@@Celatra And some studies would also suggest that there's the most overlap between enjoyers of classical and (heavy) metal music, more so than classical and rock/pop/etc. Most obvious in certain sub-genres of metal music, like melodeath and of course neoclassical metal (think Yngwie). A lot of those artists have done actual cover versions of classical pieces.

@LDXReal

2 ай бұрын

I'd consider Rachmaninoff to be metal asf lol, due to the intensity and atmosphere of his work. I listen to metal primarily but I highkey respect his work and take inspo from it

Thank you, 12tone, for helping me justify my musical taste to my family, whatever these contents are. My mother was a band teacher that loves the real “rockin’” composers like Dvorak or Rachmaninoff, and I keep telling her she would like instrumental metal.

@epmcgee

7 ай бұрын

You could try an album called A Place Where the Sun is Silent by Alesana. The deluxe edition has 8 songs that are instrumental versions of tracks on the album, and the band already includes some classical elements to their music.

@kevinwillems8720

7 ай бұрын

Show her Pelican

@InventorZahran

7 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠*Rockmaninov* But seriously, Dvorak's New World Symphony would sound very metal if you just added drums and electric guitars. Compositionally, the heaviness is already there!

@Lodit24

7 ай бұрын

@@kevinwillems8720 1000% this

@ashlingabysspayne1863

7 ай бұрын

then you would have The Wizard's Last Rhymes, by Rhapsody/Rhapsody of Fire. :) @@InventorZahran

Even as a metalhead: No objections, sounds reasonable. Although I might say, the appeal of the technical and skill oriented stuff (e.g. Animals as Leaders as you featured) is a prominent facet in heavy music, but I wouldn't describe it as heaviness. In fact, in my death metal band, we specifically add simpler and slower sections when we feel the song would otherwise lack heaviness for the sake of displaying prowess.

@skalra63

7 ай бұрын

Yeh I feel the speed thing is to make it noisier and not necessarily make it complicated. The other thing I think that's missing is the contrast of having lots of noise to having no noise when everyone just stops playing for a second.

@tehFoxx0rz

7 ай бұрын

Animals as Leaders are cool, I won't knock their sound or skill, but they're the epitome of "noodling"! Which yeah, too much of in metal often gets derided as self-indulgent rather than embraced as "heavy". "Heavy metal" still needs that tight, snappy, riffy core to the sound!

@clumsyoctopus5614

7 ай бұрын

This is a good observation. I think technicality and skill can be a heaviness enhancer, but are not "heavy" on their own. For example, bands like First Fragment, Animals as Leaders, etc. display a ton of technicality, skill, and mastery of their instruments, but despite the distortion, the occasional driving drums, and the growling vocals, they just don't come off as "heavy." It is not pop for sure, but it comes off more as a pure display of skill than heavy music. On the flip side, bands like Archspire and Origin use insane technical ability and skill to make a heavy sound somehow even heavier. Both bands are so "heavy" that a lot of self-proclaimed metalheads find them too extreme. If you haven't checked them out, I highly recommend doing so, if for no other reason than just to see what the more extreme ends of metal are capable of. Try looking up Chaosmos from Origin or Drone Corpse Aviator from Archspire.

@spicymeatballs2thespicening

7 ай бұрын

Imo technical death metal is a much heavier technicality focused subgenre than prog metal

@tehFoxx0rz

7 ай бұрын

@@spicymeatballs2thespicening You get more traditional prog metal bands like Threshold or Royal Hunt or even Ayreon sounding more heavy than Animals as Leaders, though of course, technical death metal still has those beat :P

I met Children of Bodom guys in a small venue in Jyväskylä, Finland back when they had just released their first mini-CD. I had also my first doom metal CD release out so we ended up talking about heaviness. Basically Alexi Laiho thought heaviness comes from speed and I thought it comes from slowness. As we see here, it's a bit more complicated but that's what it boiled down to at the time.

When I first heard metal I listened to Sabbath and Metallica, then Megadeth and Pantera, then Sepultura and Slayer, and on and on. As I acclimated to each degree of sonic transgression, I was amenable to deeper dives into heaviness. Loved this video. Rock on, bruh 🤘🏻

When I first got into Maiden and Anthrax et al, "heavy" meant mostly distorted guitar, but it didn't hold up. For instance, decades later Slipknot came along with down-tuned, distorted guitars and to me didn't sound very heavy at all. Their guitar was so low in the mix and so close to the vocal that it barely sounded heavy at all to my ear. I'd argue that the least heavy Slayer track was heavier than the heaviest Slipknot (as they were when they first arrived at least; they seem to have got heavier). So it wasn't just that. I am still unsure what makes heavy heavy, but I think I know it when I hear it. It's a long time since I was chasing the heavy alone, but I still love it.

@ZachGatesHere

7 ай бұрын

I disagree there, for sure. (sic) and especially almost anything off of Iowa are unfathomably heavy. Not on the level of the heaviest death bands but it does get into how we judge it. To me, most thrash isn't all that heavy. It's aggressive, sure, but a band like Anthrax lacks the heft of a Cannibal Corpse or Suffocation.

@jeffreychandler8418

7 ай бұрын

@@ZachGatesHere yeah idk what he means by slipknot being heavy xD like yeah they have not heavy stuff, and some of their hits are only slightly heavy (thinking stuff like duality and before I forget) but the first two albums, especially Iowa, are so goddamn heavy and even since then they have lots of really heavy stuff. I find anthrax funny because most metalheads consider anthrax the wiggles of thrash metal. Like, do they really count?

@jacksonbarker7594

7 ай бұрын

@@jeffreychandler8418heavy is different depending on the person, I saw slipknot play all of Iowa live and was very disappointed, I heard it was their heaviest so I thought I might enjoy it but it didn’t strike me as heavy or exciting at all. Anthrax actually played at the same festival and they absolutely killed, caught in a mosh is absolutely heavier to me than anything slipknot has done by a long shot, even the new material anthrax played was far more engaging and assertive than slipknot. When Slayer came out there was just a totally different atmosphere to slipknot, that’s when the bonfires and moshing really got started. They make slipknot sound like bubblegum pop, I’m a big proponent of speed and aggression being the most important parts of heaviness haha

@jeffreychandler8418

7 ай бұрын

@@jacksonbarker7594 That's true. it is highly variable. I know I'm very particular with trash xD like I don't like slayer but give me early death metal or death thrash and oh man I fucking love it.

I love that the metronome that opens your videos is set in 5/4. Heavily underutilized but great time signature. Honestly I'd love to see a video exploring its use in popular music.

@NickHoad

7 ай бұрын

I hear it as 4/4 with the last note being an accented downbeat

@Torthrodhel

7 ай бұрын

Out of the more common 'odd' time signiatures, I find myself writing a lot more frequently in 7 (even probably more than the much more usual but still a teensy-bit odd 3), but 5's definitely very cool whenever it emerges. I say 'emerge' since I don't like to force these things, I like for them to arrive of their own accord, so-to-speak. I think 7's a lot easier to feel, at least for me anyway. I don't count most examples of rarer ones, though. To me something's not in one of these odd signiatures if it feels like it's just say an 8 with a bit lopped off or a 4 with a bit tagged on. I just call those 8 and 4, plus a 'grace dent' or a 'grace bump'. It has to feel 7 to really be 7, and feel 5 to really be 5 (and hell... even feel 4 to be 4, as common as that feeling is). Know what I mean? Because I mess with things all the time and use a lot of dents and bumps. Some people might call it working in a 13 or a 17 or something but I wouldn't call them that personally. I think I did do something that actually felt like an 11 once though. Dunno if I could play it back if asked, but I remember the feeling of recognising it is unusual anyway.

@notgarybusey

7 ай бұрын

Same Here@@NickHoad

@sleepdeep305

7 ай бұрын

@@Torthrodhel7/8 is definitely one of my favorite time signatures. So versatile

@Torthrodhel

7 ай бұрын

@@sleepdeep305 I think with me it's heavily inspired by Soundgarden. They mucked around with time signiature all the time and it always sounded pretty natural.

This is like... the most incredibly comprehensive "bite sized" take on Metal. Why do people listen to it? What's it about? How is metal "metal"? Great vid. Sending this to my Nonna who asked "why didnt anyone give him a cough drop?" the first time she heard metal.

Your research seems rock solid, the way you present your arguments seems so relatable and unbiased, and your voice characters are awesome. I'm so glad you did this one!

This is such a great historical account of metal. I would argue that with your last point I don’t think the arms race necessarily makes anything in the past obsolete. There are bands now that are still doing the doom and stoner stuff like sabbath that would still be heavy but in a different way. Metalheads know how to implicitly compartmentalize different types of heaviness for different styles and generes. I think your point with Lorna shore demonstrates that… because sometimes it (or other modern bands) can be redundant or derivative and ironically lose its heaviness and value. However there’s obviously a strong level of subjectivity behind all of this. Such an amazing video it made me happy to hear all my favorite bands in here

@nondescriptcat5620

7 ай бұрын

this. Metal is a land of contrasts. Meshuggah and Nile didn't make Tool or Primus "not heavy enough," they're doing their own Heavy Thing.

@quintessenceSL

7 ай бұрын

Was about to say the same. I don't think it is even compartmentalized exactly as much there are several ways to approach thing (see the discussion about classical being "heavy"). Most modern metal has picked its tropes it seems to differentiate itself from the past, but has kinda wrote itself into a corner much like hardcore did and becomes a caricature of itself.

@ElephantDestroyer

7 ай бұрын

The arms race is true. There's a very clear partition in extreme metal history in the 90's, and it's easily observable in how most death metal subgenres focus on making it heavier, whereas black metal goes in very different directions one from another. Obsoleteness is outright false though, I imagine 12tone isn't aware of the popularity of power metal, and bands like Visigoth that are carrying the heavy metal underground. I don't think anybody thinks Lorna Shore is better than Sabbath, and if they do, you know how the Sarcofago and Manowar songs go.

@ElephantDestroyer

7 ай бұрын

@@nondescriptcat5620 Tool and Primus are not metal

@nondescriptcat5620

7 ай бұрын

@@ElephantDestroyer yes, they are, and you have zero authority to claim they aren't.

The Monty Python foot for "something different" made me laugh out loud, well done!

1. This was a fascinating and a very insightful video, and I love the way you open the doors to appreciating new genres for me! 2. Seeing Noise really made me smile, it's so fun to see your dictionary of little symbols grow and develop

I've been watching your vids for some time now because I appreciate the "nerdy" breakdowns of songs and the added meaning you put behind it. this is by far my favourite video you've made! I think you should definitely do a video on lorna shore's adventures and success in symphonic/ orchestral deathcore, I think it would suit this channel very well. Keep it up!

Heavy Metal and Punk Rock have a lot in common... they both stop being their genre when they become mainstream. They both love loud and difficult to digest (in very specific ways)

@matthewjoy475

7 ай бұрын

Thrash is heavily Punk Rock inspired, and you have the popularity of genres like Metalcore which hybridize metal elements with Hardcore punk (hence the name) and then all the spin off genre's of that movement (like Deathcore). Punk Rock and Metal are very closely aligned.

Sorry, seeing Nile spelled out in notes is the funniest thing. I love your work!

@malinryden3099

7 ай бұрын

And also, good job being bloody informed!

3:08 can we talk about how fucking good that dinosaur drawing is?

I hadn't heard anything by Nile before and I already love them just from that short clip. The vocals remind me a lot of Dethklok, rather amusingly.

@stantorren4400

7 ай бұрын

They’re basically an Egyptian themed brutal death metal band

@nondescriptcat5620

7 ай бұрын

Nile are classic pillars of Death Metal. they're one of the main bands Dethklok is spoofing.

Such a good video! I think you nailed all of the key technical and sonic elements of what makes metal- metal. For me it's everything you mentioned- which creates a certain FEELING in the listener of HEAVYNESS.

I don’t think you got the whole story on heaviness. I think heaviness is a dimension that can be attributed to every piece of music (although most would fall on the light side). The same way that a song can be fast/slow, loud/quiet, dynamic/static, bright/dark, it can be heavy/light. A good example outside of metal or hardcore might be “The Dream is Collapsing” from the Inception soundtrack. It’s almost enough to make you start hardcore dancing at the end. And yet…no distortion. And it’s not just about darkness either. Easycore exists, which can definitely be heave. So the question then is…what makes something heavier or lighter? I haven’t been able to come up with a good definition yet.

@nondescriptcat5620

7 ай бұрын

Shostakovich's 8th String Quartet, 2nd Movement

@XueYlva

7 ай бұрын

I understand the struggle to define heavy I always explain to people that I like aggressive music because it makes me feel powerful Sometimes, "Heaviness" feels like a fight or flight situation where you choose to fight, and luckily for you, it's going well I don't think I'm able to describe every dimension of heaviness this way though something grotesque and evil like Slamming Death Metal doesn't fit my description

@josnardstorm

7 ай бұрын

@@XueYlva yah, and the thing is, sometimes deathcore songs honestly don’t sound as heavy as metalcore songs. Like, even though the deathcore song will have more blast beats, etc, it can become so much that it loses its effect. There’s not enough contrast. Whereas a metalcore song, which varies more throughout the song, can sometimes end up feeling heavier

@zinAab79

7 ай бұрын

Yes, but the term was born with metal, so if we judge other genres by heavyness, metal is still the first genre you must understand before trying to apply its concepts to older pieces, even if they were heavy unintentionally.

I’d like to attempt to help define heavy by looking for heaviness outside of metal. Tori Amos’ “Pretty Good Year from the 1994 album Under the Pink has a moment that always hit me as heavy. The section from 1:51 to 2:28 illustrates to me a very heavy part, with a wind-up from 1:51-2:01 (beginning with “Somethings…”), notched up and repeated from 2:02-2:10, and sort of an inhale (the word “well”) from 2:11-2:12 and finally the heavy pay-off from 2:13-2:28 (beginning with “Hey…”). I think 2:13-2:28 could stand on its own as heavy, but with the build up and return to quiescence after the heavy part, I think that 15 seconds just has more power than a lot of “hair metal bands” whole catalogue. It used dissonance and contrast and vocal expression. I think there is some mild distortion on the guitar, but not much, if any, and not needed if it’s there. Anyone else familiar with this song and notice this section and agree or disagree that it’s heavy?

@douglassrovinsky

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely - Tori has a lot of songs/sections that I'd describe as 'heavy' e.g., "Precious Things". Same with, e.g., Ani DiFranco etc. It's like that old quote from Alice In Chains' Jerry Cantrell: "I've always been interested in bands that make heavy shit without sounding so obvious. There's something about having strength and not flaunting it. It's not about coming out and mauling your ass, but easing in. Before you know it, you're in a death lock, which you didn't see coming because it was so smooth and seductive you didn't know it until it had your face down on the canvas. To me, being heavy has nothing to do with how many speakers you blow or how many decibels you play at."

@miahthorpatrick1013

7 ай бұрын

This whole thread reminds me of an old interview with one of the members of Deftones. They said they consider something like Thelonius Monk heavier than Metallica. Something like that. I don’t remember the exact quote. 🤔

@RockandRollWoman

7 ай бұрын

Not familiar with that particular song, but will give it a listen.

@mehill00

7 ай бұрын

@@RockandRollWoman Please do and report back if you would, Madam Secretary.

Metal in a way is a lot like what people call "classical" music, like, it all sounds similar, but at the same time extremely different based on the period and place, it can be extremely slow/extremely fast, very simple or very complex, even the themes, you have black metal talking about depression, the futility of life, hate and paganism, and you have powermetal talking about killing dragons and saving the world, what they both have in common? (besides lord of the rings references) both are heavy, in their own way, truly a wonderful genre of music

@SonnyMoonie

6 ай бұрын

Metal is a lot unlike what people call "classical" music, because metal all sounds like the same distortion noise throughout a track, but "classical" music, traditional music or art music or orchestral music or chamber music, is played on instruments that have pitches that can be heard, as the purpose of how the instruments are designed and played, so that the pitches can form melodies and harmonies and tunes, things that metal does not have.

@Requiario_I

6 ай бұрын

@@SonnyMoonie I don't know what kind of metal you listen (or tried to listen once), maybe you listened to some extreme genre of metal music and decided that all metal sounds the same because it shares distortion but as i stated: much like classical music, metal can sound the same for the unfamiliarized ear, but a quick in depth analysis can promove a great change in perspective. Just check: EDU FALASCHI l Rebirth l Temple Of Shadows In Concert Listen to that and say it's just noise throughout a track.

@ChainsawSlammer1.3.8

24 күн бұрын

​@@SonnyMoonie oh my, metal the same👏👏👏

@ChainsawSlammer1.3.8

24 күн бұрын

Sometimes metal, especially death metal have similar style of composition and sound. For example phobophile by cryptopsy, in some moments it reminded me on Vivaldi or Litvinovsky.

I find it fascinating that there was a time when some folks considered Bon Jovi to be a type of "metal" yet somehow I don't think I've ever heard anyone use that term for the Rolling Stones, but the Stones seem infinitely more "metal" to me.

The problem with "modern" heavy metal and it's "brutal" riffs and chugs is that when you're always dialed to 11, you might was we be at 1.

@cbrindle91

7 ай бұрын

🤘🤘 this guy friggin gets it!!!

@harrybryan9633

7 ай бұрын

YES! If you don't have dynamics, then it isn't really "heavy".

@neverclosetoperfect

7 ай бұрын

Contrast is so important when you're creating something you intent to sound heavy. My favorite modern example of this is I Saw The Light and It Was Repulsive by Sermon of Flames. The interludes give a great feeling of approaching doom, but you have no choice but to wait patiently while the music's lack of aggression makes you more and more anxious about whats to come

@cincox3919

7 ай бұрын

@@neverclosetoperfect "Ramble On", my friend...

@quintessenceSL

7 ай бұрын

It's essentially the loudness wars as applied to music. "If there is no soft, there can be no loud."

Well thought and drawn. Keep on BANGING

Hey, I think this might be one of your best videos! I'm not a metalhead but I do sometimes listen to metal and I appreciate the skill and hard work that goes into playing it. Your timing is perfect because I've recently contacted an old friend who played drums in my band in the early 1990s - he's now drumming in a prog metal band, so I'm definitely going to send him this to watch.

And then you got King Crimson's "21st century schizoid man" from '69... chaotic, noisy, excessive, distorted, heavy... but with roots not just in rock, but also in jazz and experimental avant-garde music.

Both of my siblings went to college for music related majors, with my oldest one being a band teacher, and if they start talking music theory things I don't really understand them, but I enjoy the way you explain it. It's engaging to me and makes me realize the little things that I miss in the music I like. I'm curious if you could do an Understanding video about the song Honeybee by Steam Powered Giraffe? It's one of their most well known songs and I think it might be the most beautiful song I've ever heard.

Amazing video! Love to see metal analyzed!

Subscribed! Nice format man, I enjoy a lot seeing the drawings and linking them to your talking :D Sometimes it takes a while to link drawing to speech ahah

the part about metal that's too close to pop is so true. especially when you think about softer bands with metal elements like ghost, babymetal or most of symphonic metal.

@user-er5mg6zj4v

7 ай бұрын

then again, i think we can be adults here and admit that music can be real metal even if it’s too gay (or whatever the excuse is now) for metalheads.

@ZachGatesHere

7 ай бұрын

Ghost IS pop. I don't care what kinda costumes they wear or if they sing about Satanic shit, they're a pop-rock band.

@alemutasa6189

7 ай бұрын

​@@user-er5mg6zj4vFUCKING YES. Love Babymetal, fuck those insecure fake machos who prerend not to like songs like "Distortion" or "BxMxC"

@dervonnebenan8527

7 ай бұрын

for some of the people yes. but i feel like I hear "that's not real metal" more often. But even that only online@@user-er5mg6zj4v

@ajs787

7 ай бұрын

I agree. BM's whole thing is being a walking contradiction. Melodic Japanese pop on top of 7, 8, and 9 string guitars making some objectively heavy stuff a lot of the time (BxMxC is the best example of this), and also incorporating nearly every style of metal into their repertoire.

I remember when I was first getting into rock and Punk in like Middle School and saying I didn't like music you couldn't understand, or stuff without discernable melodies. Then here I am today excited to here a sample from Lorna Shore's "To The Hellfire". Lorna Shore is an amazing example of several points you made about the elements of what is heavy, Speed, Distortion, Excess Noise. Also great guys and amazing live!

@zinAab79

7 ай бұрын

Most time that's not because the melody is undiscernable, is because the listener haven't done his work to train his ears yet. Same applies to Jazz or every less accesible thing in art. The first reaction is blaming the piece when the problem is on the listener who is not ready yet, you need years of learning the language and codes of every genre, the tropes, the types of production and how every instrument sound in common contexts. Same happened to me thinking black metal was just bad because it sounded messy, but when my ears were trained with years of listening other subgenres, then it clicked and I can undestand everything that's happening there, so the problem was me trying to understand something beyond my possibilities. Same with Jazz, once you can figure the cycle of chord progressions and separate the foundation of the song and the ornaments, then the improv don't sound that random.

This is one of my favourite videos of yours. Thank you for everything you do, but also especially thank you for this.

7:52 that lion's roar was unexpectedly high-pitched

A friend once told me rock is what it is, and metal is heavier. Rocks are not as heavy as a mass of metal the same size. So as a genre, whats heavier then rock....metal....

@michaelbond4609

7 ай бұрын

Like aluminum?

@user-er5mg6zj4v

7 ай бұрын

@@michaelbond4609 my favorite white stripes song

@bassface5983

7 ай бұрын

@@michaelbond4609 exactly.....lol

I'm a huge fan of doom metal, or at least the small subsection of doom metal I've gone out to listen to. I think the most important term for the heaviness I like is "thunderous" - it really gets across the Sunn O))) Live, Boris Flood Part Three-ness of it all. I sort of think of the faster metal I like as fun and cool but not really that heavy.

@BradsGonnaPlay

7 ай бұрын

I saw Sunn 0))) live, and I still haven’t gotten over the “glacial maximism”

@giddycadet

7 ай бұрын

@@BradsGonnaPlay i saw boris close with not last song (the live version with the drone) and it made my friend finally understand why i like doom metal

Really awesome work! Incredibly nuanced and concise for such a complex topic. And thanks for the citation! 🤘

Well played, great content man!

I always felt “heavy” to me to be more of the “hit hard” factor you mentioned. Distortion is essential, it adds the “weight” and mass like an ocean being dropped on top of you. But how the music forms that mass of sound into a solid ball of steel that crushes you with explosive force is ultimately what makes it “heavy” to me. Another thing to consider is how contrast is essential to creating the “illusion” of heaviness. The less resistance a breakdown has to drop, in other words, less competing sounds, the better.

I think one thing that you missed regarding how heavy something is, is the emotion put into it. While that's hard to quantify, I do feel that honesty and emotion are huge in what makes something heavy. Steven Brodsky of the band Cave In had a great quote in an interview from 2001 regarding the band stylistic change on the "Jupiter" record saying (paraphrased) "people are saying we're not heavy anymore, and I just don't think that's the case, we are heavy, we're just not metal anymore." Great video by the way!

@LxE9799

6 ай бұрын

Cave In is such a good band, cool to see them mentioned here

Bravo, what a wonderful video! You have explained an entire genre - roots, development, animating spirit - in a way that finally let's me understand those bands & their æsthetic. Plus, your pop culture doodles (Kool-aid, Pringles logos) illustrate your points perfectly.

Spot on and extremely well analyzed and put!

this is a fantastic overview of what makes something (at least historically) heavy, but when you say "pop isn't heavy because heavy by definition isn't pop" I'm not so sure that's the case. for example, Poppy's album "I disagree" is a FANTASTIC metal album that incorporates LOTS of pop elements even on a song by song basis. Her song, Concrete, the first on the album, just as a great example goes back and forth between VERY CLEARLY hard and heavy metal with distortions and all the other tropes that come with it, but there are other parts of the same song that are downright bubblegum girl band sounding (despite keeping with "metal" themes of death metaphors.) and this is arranged in such a brilliant way that I can't help love it. (check it out if you haven't heard it). this is just a single example, but there are a few others floating around out there as well.

@ajs787

7 ай бұрын

I'd also include Amaranthe's entire discography and obviously Babymetal, who was clearly an influence for Poppy on that album.

I think on the quest for heaviness, the metal genre of Thall stands at the very front of the pack, and is often described as the metal of the future thanks to it's near-alien feel thanks to its use of dissonance & rhythmic complexity. If heaviness is what it means to be deep and powerful - Thall IS heaviness. A band I can point to in this regard is Humanity's Last Breath, their recent album Ashen is a good example here, in that both conceptually, spiritually and technically speaking it uses almost all of the techniques & strategies you talked about to attain and maximize heaviness. In my opinion, their Bearer track is one of, if not the heaviest song ever created so far.

@ChainsawSlammer1.3.8

24 күн бұрын

Also band Last days of humanity pretty heavy, especially their album putrefaction in progress

I'm so glad to finally see this vid on your channel, I love all music but metal is definitely my all time fav!

Thank you for the good examples, great explanations, and even better descriptions. Ill be forwarding this to all my friends which is basically myself and my right hand. ❤

You pretty much nailed the essence of what heavy is. A single great example of heavy as fuck, I would say is the whole beginning of Opeth - Master's Apprentice, it's all rhythm with a mix of galloping, and the vocals follow the rhythm of the riff. Oh hell, now I'm going to have to listen to it. It's a great example of heavy in my world.

@thevishyfishy

7 ай бұрын

amazing song

As a metal, and music, consumer to a very high degree. I think you did an excellent job of describing what makes something heavy. Great work o7

A really cool, well researched, and well considered essay. Great work!

I was expecting the same regurgitated garbage most other essays discuss when talking about metal and its "heaviness" but you actually hit the nail on the head and used a wide range of examples from multiple subgenres, really respectable and well spoken

One of my favorite uses of slow breakdowns is Infant Annihilator's "Baptized, Bastardised, Sodomised." The very beginning is an inhuman 225 BPM (it's more correctly described as 75 BPM subdivided into 12-tuplets), immediately followed by a not a halving, not a quartering, but at LEAST a 64th-ing of the time, where the bass and snare hits are separated by at least 6 seconds. Right after that, it pops back up to 150 (16ths/32nds instead of 12-tuplets). It's hard to describe in words how incredibly hilarious yet substantially heavy this riff is - I recommend a listen of the first 52 seconds of this song to see what I'm failing to actually capture with words.

@tiyenin

7 ай бұрын

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Glam Metal got me in the door. And I still listen to it. But man, the changing landscape is something I didn't consider. People trash Ghost for the pop influence and I never understood that. It's turning it on it's head. But I get that most people in the heavier circles wear the outsiders status harder than I do. Children of Bodom got me through a lot and I miss Alexi every time I hear COB.

@00muinamir

7 ай бұрын

Honestly, the first time I watched a music video of Ghost I was... confused. The makeup and staging they do gave me the impression that they'd be much heavier than they actually are. And it's not that they're bad, it's just that I had very different expectations for what they'd sound like. I think that's at least part of what's led people to be so harsh on them.

This was super cool. Thanks for putting something so abstract in such a clear way.

I loved that you used the Phyrexian symbol for "Machine Like"

If this was a college paper, I’d give you an A-. You did a fantastic job of getting the elements across. It’s obvious you listen to metal. You hit all the main points about guitar,but you missed the importance of the drums. You touched on rhythm a bit, but it’s a vital point. While lead guitar can add to the heavy, it’s the rhythm that make you want to jump in a mosh pit. The groove can be heavy as can be the build up in intensity. One of the first heavy metal tunes is, IMHO, is Sing, Sing, Sing by The Benny Goodman Orchestra. It contains all the elements of metal. Yeah, technically it’s big band, but that tune at the time must’ve blown people away. Aggressive as hell, loud with pounding drums and cymbals, riffs flying by at speed…that’s pretty @#$&ing metal Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is still fkn heavy and Black Sabbath, the song, IS heavy metal.

@rayinkorea

7 ай бұрын

Oh, yeah! The first breakdown: Dat. Dut. Dat dat dat da-dat dah... bwa-d-d-d-da-dah....

Can we put together some non metal composers from different genres to write some metal music? That would be so interesting to listen to. And I think everyone would enjoy hearing how they are represented.

@MrGallade475

7 ай бұрын

There's a video by Paul Davids where he gets a few non metal guitarists to write some metal riffs and see what they came up with. slight spoiler: a lot of sludgy bluesy riffs, but some weird stuff too. They were all good though.

@metalheads-golf

7 ай бұрын

Wow ... that would be fun to hear. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

@ChainsawSlammer1.3.8

24 күн бұрын

I'm very appreciate hip hop influence in metal, slam is a good example.

I love this video. You are really educated about so much in so many different genres and subgenres. I am really impressed

3:05 That dinosaur is stunning! I love this channel. Makes me laugh and teaches me so much about music, and even answers questions I never thought to ask (like this one) 😊

"If you made a new band in 2023 that sounds like Sabbath did in 1970, no one's gonna call you heavy anymore."

@harrybryan9633

7 ай бұрын

I don't thing he has heard bands like Kadavar. They are most certainly a Sabbath for the 21st Century.

@Tehstroyer

7 ай бұрын

Yeah. That was the only time I went like "hold up" in this video. Not just because of Stoner Doom (since bands in the genre often go beyond Sabbath), but also because Sabbath themselves get more heavy than the included track.

It doesn't have to be metal to be heavy. I've heard church drummers be heavy as fuck.

Using the phyrexian symbol for "machine-like" is a nice touch.

@baronvonschnellenstein2811

7 ай бұрын

Good. It wasn't just me thinking that was the Phyrexia symbol!

Fantastic deep dive! Quite enriching