I love how documentaries about male killers always say: 'he was handsome, charming..alluring... you wouldn't suspect that he could hurt a fly.........' and then they proceed to show a picture of the guy and he looks like a crackhead thumb.

@mathiasvoorhees6232

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah West is the last thing you'd expect to see after those words. He's just so ugly.

@bradhurst6834

4 жыл бұрын

Because they are old by then, if you think that man at 9:53 is ugly then you are lying, he is objectively attractive.

@kateohdowd

4 жыл бұрын

@@bradhurst6834 Or maybe I just have functioning eyesight and good taste.

@bradhurst6834

4 жыл бұрын

@@kateohdowd It has nothing to do with taste, that's why I said objectively, his face is attractive.

@liamjackson957

4 жыл бұрын

@@bradhurst6834 Attractiveness is subjective though. For example, I am personally repulsed by Kim Kardashian, and yet she's lauded as an insanely hot woman by millions of people. For her to be objectively attractive, you would need to 'prove' my stance to be wrong. And it has everything to do with taste. The notion that someone couldn't truthfully look at that photograph and feel that there's nothing physically remarkable about him is ludicrous.

What haunts me the most is why it took so long for anyone from the authorities (for example, the schools) to notice that Heather West hadn't been seen for years.

@kerryann2041

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Thats so true.

@tbac2432

5 жыл бұрын

you do realize that according to law enforcement there are over 100 active Serial Killers in America right now?

@patmalone2811

5 жыл бұрын

@@tbac2432 Think of the accuracy limiting factors in the programs, and databases that would have been the tools available to source a number, I would suggest that we have plenty more of the serial killer variety than any number made public 🙈🙉🙊💩👤👮👥📈📉🎪🎬✂🎥🌃🌉🎣🔩🎲🌎🌎🌏🌍🌍🌐

@Girl-101

5 жыл бұрын

Maria Kelly Things were different back then with schools alerting social services to absences, the thing now is that they alert SS over every bloody thing, it’s unreal.

@lone6718

5 жыл бұрын

Tbac except this happened in England.

Really feel for Caroline Roberts not only did she survive these horrors, but she bravely fought cancer later too. I hope she's found peace where ever her soul is now

@mariakelly5

4 жыл бұрын

Rest In Peace, Caroline.

@laurafriar7823

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't even know that she had died, May God Rest Her

@BlytheWorld1972

4 жыл бұрын

Caroline Roberts what a lovely soul she was .

@ejunlimiteds2514

4 жыл бұрын

She was died Caroline Owens?? If so, Condolence to very families!!!

@rebeccaagholor9622

3 жыл бұрын

Was reading that Carl Stotter (Dennis Nielsen survivor) also died. Seems that peace doesn’t come easy for the ones left alive.

My parents used to live 2 doors down from Fred West in Gloucester and my dad once borrowed a ladder off him and had him round for a cup of tea. Fred also helped my mum change her car tyre as well in the pouring rain once. Both my mum and dad say that he seemed like the nicest bloke you'll ever meet, which makes it all the more surprising. My dad still has a photo of him and Fred together at a neighbours BBQ in the mid 80s. They were never friends or anything, just neighbours. Talk about chilling.

@LisaMaryification

4 жыл бұрын

Well, it's good to see you here. I suppose these kilers do come off as nice blokes. They'd have to in order to get close enough to kill.

@Momclone88

4 жыл бұрын

@@LisaMaryification That's how Bundy got his victims.

@helenowers4679

4 жыл бұрын

Sara Grace t

@seiyuokamihimura5082

4 жыл бұрын

@@LisaMaryification how ya doing buuuuuuddy? Lol jk. That was in bad taste.

@CK-op7ho

4 жыл бұрын

Their 'niceness' is part of the 'glib' nature of a psychopath. They watch you and determine how best to 'play' you, whether it's just to get your approval, or to trap you for whatever they want to do. They are very good at what they do.

"What Made Fred West a Notorious Serial Killer?" Offhand, I'd say it was all those killings.

@JohnSmith-kz8yo

4 жыл бұрын

Yup. Killing people is not a healthy hobby..

@watchgoose

4 жыл бұрын

but what MADE him do it?

@clarebrandon5480

4 жыл бұрын

@@watchgoose because he could.

@CYOnTheBeat

4 жыл бұрын

@Ismail Haque what an educated answer 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

@petermullen6852

4 жыл бұрын

Gangsta rap possibly?

Am I the only one who watches these kinda docs to fall asleep??

@SuperBuster3000

4 жыл бұрын

Darius Parks I’ll be half asleep and the narrator starts talking outta nowhere making me jump😂

@dianelove8147

4 жыл бұрын

Same

@MyKirby88

4 жыл бұрын

Darius Parks I watch these documentaries to fall asleep too also I watch forensic files lol 😂

@dariusparks3954

4 жыл бұрын

@@MyKirby88 Oh yeah!!! Forensic Files is another go to!!!😂

@dariusparks3954

4 жыл бұрын

@@MyKirby88 P.S..U have a pretty profile pic😍

‘He lost his good looks...’ Are we looking at the same potato here?!

@fernandasa2158

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@ritwikvvarma

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@danielnichols5632

3 жыл бұрын

Even as baby he looked horrible

@blue3381

3 жыл бұрын

7:26

@blue3381

3 жыл бұрын

He looks like an actor here: 7:26

I get tears in my eyes when I see that picture of little Sharmain. She is the sweetest little angel with the red sweater and her front tooth missing. I can’t imagine Rose hurting that tiny little baby. It just makes me sick to think about it.

@ellioshiem7892

2 жыл бұрын

oh yes, she was beautiful. poor little darling. all her life she was abused. then murdered. Thinking of you little one.....you are not forgotten. 🌹🌹🌹❤

@Bootmahoy88

2 жыл бұрын

It's astounding and infuriating to me how our present culture turns these super-creeps into a form of anti-hero. It's disgusting. It's like we're collectively saying, "Hey, guys and gals become a serial killer, a serial rapist, a serial killer pedophile rapist and we'll give you your own show!! How's that for a deal?"

@alvaroaramburunavarro3942

Жыл бұрын

@@raptorwithinternet balconing in Magaluf

@nickmitchell6443

Жыл бұрын

@@alvaroaramburunavarro3942 ?

The sexual abuse and rape in this story is absolutely disgusting.

@staciasmith5162

2 жыл бұрын

But it is all too common.

@banedon8087

2 жыл бұрын

@@staciasmith5162 Common? Not where I live, to my knowledge. (still) Too common? Definitely.

@marmarbinx3458

2 жыл бұрын

@@banedon8087 simply because something isn't happening in your area doesn't mean it isn't common. Also, just because you don't see it or hear about it frequently doesn't mean it isn't happening. Most abuse like that is kept secret, at least for a period of time.

@kirstiehiorns2702

2 жыл бұрын

is it ? why is it common you mean to say its near normal? listen why do these stupid people have children to interfere with them..i hope to god it isnt.common and if it is..those.breeders.should be sterilised or worse..sorry but if its common well lets be casual and say.hey.ho.awww.cute dont lets upset daddy and mummys climax its common aaah

@Bootmahoy88

2 жыл бұрын

It's astounding and infuriating to me how our present culture turns these super-creeps into a form of anti-hero. It's disgusting. It's like we're collectively saying, "Hey, guys and gals become a serial killer, a serial rapist, a serial killer pedophile rapist and we'll give you your own show!! How's that for a deal?"

Fred definitely killed more than he was sentenced for.

@janeokeeffe5297

4 жыл бұрын

I agree

@sirandrelefaedelinoge

4 жыл бұрын

@ C J Russ - Fred West was never sentenced.

@andrewmatthews6861

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely 😠😠

@pnklady3788

3 жыл бұрын

Fred hung himself in prison before his trial.. he was never tried/convicted..

@mbp7060

3 жыл бұрын

Don't incriminate yourself. Say you "think he did" as in you don't have first hand knowledge..

It's a weird thing how they found each other ,both psychopaths , evil finds evil !

@spencer23dollars34

4 жыл бұрын

He was not a psychopath. They don't much like company. Sociopath more likely

@amtownsyou

4 жыл бұрын

Law of Attraction at work

@bjarnestronstrup9122

4 жыл бұрын

@@spencer23dollars34 In essence Psychopath and Sociopath are almost the same thing, except that you are born Psychopath (genetically inherent) and Sociopathy is adaptive disorder which is almost the same think (logically speaking, don't know about internals of the brain).

@andrewmatthews6861

4 жыл бұрын

The devil looks after his own 😠😠😠

@pooddescrewch8718

3 жыл бұрын

She was right about him and had she not set up with him later I do not believe we would know her name . Fred was a killer whwn they met . Abused women have a look in their eye that abusers recognize and zero in on . She was groomed . Over time she became the controller .

She was found 27 years later with the skeleton of her unborn baby. That is horrifying to think about. Sick

*Wake up in the middle of the night* My brain: "Well the only logical thing to do is to watch documentaries about serial killers."

@ednaceola7876

2 жыл бұрын

I know. Maybe we're crazy.

@Fkuf709

6 ай бұрын

Same 💯

Lost his good looks? Yeah, he was Brad Pitt before breaking his nose?

@janeokeeffe5297

4 жыл бұрын

🤣

@Markham12thcentury

4 жыл бұрын

He looked like an overweight Gilbert Godfried.

@eddielasowsky7777

4 жыл бұрын

Fancy him do you, you sick cabbage?

@richardgoffin-lecar1951

4 жыл бұрын

@Rebecca Buschhorn Pigs are not killers!

@katybug6572

4 жыл бұрын

Adam Bumble HA! I’m so dead 💀😂👍🏻✌🏻

It’s bizarre how similar Fred and Rose’s childhoods were . It’s so creepy and disgusting that more then one persons family was as deprived and horrible as Fred’s . I wonder how many more families like theirs there are out there, that haven’t been caught yet..😞

@davidjohnson7555

3 жыл бұрын

we will never know, cause all is behind closed door"s..............

@ColdCaseswithColette

2 жыл бұрын

They really are so evil and they're crimes were horrific

@ColdCaseswithColette

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidjohnson7555 indeed David I totally agree with you

@staciasmith5162

2 жыл бұрын

The vast amount of people in reform schools, juvenile detention, in foster care, institutionalized, jailed, homeless have been abused.

@ellioshiem7892

2 жыл бұрын

@@staciasmith5162 I agree. damaged, some beyond repair. rose west was damaged beyond damaged....fred also.

How is it these people find marriage & have children and I'm still single?!

@SuV33358

5 жыл бұрын

I hear ya

@jonhartley7445

4 жыл бұрын

Aww, You'll meet yours one day, there's plenty Myra hindleys in the sea

@SuV33358

4 жыл бұрын

@Greg Grimer 😁😆😆

@alexcarter8807

4 жыл бұрын

You know all the chords, and you can't impress a gal?

@mutinyonthekitkat

4 жыл бұрын

Psychopaths have a charming side they can turn on when it suits them so it's said.

Heather looked so sad in her pic 😩

@ironbull8256

5 жыл бұрын

Vikki Smith No matter how many times i look at the children's pic's I still feel so much pain for them ❤️🌹👼

@medzykh9455

4 жыл бұрын

even though she tries to smile her eyes never lie. Heather got it the worst I believe and thats why was traumatised to the point she coudlnt even function

@Jerseybytes2

4 жыл бұрын

@@medzykh9455 Anne Marie had it just as bad. I saw an interview with her. She turned into a lovely lady

@medzykh9455

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jerseybytes2 she is a lovely lady but with scars. I believe shes not talking with her own daughter because of Rosemary. Her daughter wants to cut all ties with Rosemary but Anne Marie still talks to Rose.

@louiseowusu246

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. She was very pretty and reminded me of a female version of King, the pop star. What her 'parents' did was so very awful

freds mother looked like fred in a wig.....very creepy lookin woman...

@teresas8173

3 жыл бұрын

Treasa Lynam ....very unappealing woman in every way possible from the sound of it.

@treasalynam8940

3 жыл бұрын

@@teresas8173 mmmmhhhh😥😥😥😓😓😔😔😔😔

@appiahallan

3 жыл бұрын

OK

@insertnamehere5146

3 жыл бұрын

you should visit Gloucester sometime.

@treasalynam8940

3 жыл бұрын

@@insertnamehere5146 honestly it sounds creepy but I would love to visit some of the places where these happened.....

Bad genes, bad environment, low IQ, head injury. I cannot see how West could have come out normal.

@Crazyjn

2 жыл бұрын

Yes he had a lot going against him, but ultimately it was his choice to do the evil things he did. Just because you grow up in a bad situation/environment doesn’t give you a reason to do bad things to others. 🤷🏻‍♂️💯

@celticmist14

Жыл бұрын

Head injury very much

@Vegan_scorpioo

Жыл бұрын

Incest 🤢

Loss of his look? He looked like the missing link from birth.

@racheltheehermit7314

3 жыл бұрын

Samurai Hardware Perhaps beauty standards are different in Much Markle. I mean, he did have a full head of hair and two eyes.

@brendadrumm9708

3 жыл бұрын

They threw the kid away and kept the after birth

@fernandasa2158

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

Did anyone else notice how creepy that childhood photo was with white dots on his eyes?

@andrewmatthews6861

4 жыл бұрын

The devil 👹👹

@christinad4432

4 жыл бұрын

Christina Reeves at 6:24?! I know. Ahhh how didn’t they address or comment on this 😈

@watchgoose

4 жыл бұрын

by white dots, do you mean the developing anomalies which happen sometimes?

@baz3338

3 жыл бұрын

Yuuuup

@ladybug160

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I also noticed it 😬

Fined 25 pounds each for kidnapping and assault (and free of rape?) So the justice system are to blame for the escalation of all these murders

@scotsman6712

4 жыл бұрын

@Mister Physics you sound jealous

@crackbandicoot2348

4 жыл бұрын

Dennis Baird jealous of poor rich trump.

@beez5338

4 жыл бұрын

Far too often police don't do a thorough job, sentencing is very often pathetic.

@doctirdaddy4876

4 жыл бұрын

@Mister Physics what a god damn idiot lmfao

@mylesbellott5676

4 жыл бұрын

@@toddgilbey3979 dont forget paedophiles, they get off easy aswell. Even giving places to live

People don't realize how truly damaging a nuclear an extended multi generation incestuous, brutal, violent family is. The things that you have to endure, to try to survive, to make sense of life. The warping of a person, the addictions and eating disorders. Being continually a victim or an offender. If you suspect anyone being abused, please inform the authorities. We can pass it back instead of passing it on.

@ellioshiem7892

2 жыл бұрын

poor little souls....

@karishmagoyal465

2 жыл бұрын

AGREED MAM

Sadly caroline died a few years ago from cancer . r.i.p. caroline owens 🌹🌹🌹

@chardz2007

5 жыл бұрын

Virginia Neil she was a very special human being god bless her

@Tom-uv7ry

5 жыл бұрын

@@chardz2007 god blessed her alright with cancer very generous of him how we should all praise him for his amazing work

@elliot_lufc1826

5 жыл бұрын

Tom God will give her a better afterlife🙏🏼

@Tom-uv7ry

5 жыл бұрын

@@elliot_lufc1826 pathetic religious nonsense

@jonnysupreme

5 жыл бұрын

God ya say?!!! 😂😂😂😂

I’ve read quite a bit about serial killers, but these two have stuck with me. Absolute depravity...

@Battlady57

Жыл бұрын

Justin..yes.i agree.these two stand out from other murderers and i have read and watched a lot about them.the thing that interests me is how all the while they carried on a supposedly.normal family life.also there is the aspect of it that no one else in the house knew...or did they?it is a fascinating case.

I live literally down the road from where this took place, luckily not at the same time but yeah feels weird walking on that path knowing what happened.

@chykim1

5 жыл бұрын

Oh wow....

@neniaemm6127

5 жыл бұрын

My partner actually lived in Gloucester as a kid when this was happening, said that the city was in chaos around the time all of this came to light, but that people certainly knew the Wests weren't 'right'. Some of the local police force actually used to visit Rose for her services. :/ Sickening really.

@gafak47

5 жыл бұрын

they must have been desperate to use rose lol

@neniaemm6127

5 жыл бұрын

@@gafak47 Allegedly, when she was younger she was a bit of a looker. I don't think they'd have been so keen if they knew what we all know now!

@puccipuu1797

5 жыл бұрын

I know what you mean. Walking around the city centre thinking they’d walked the same streets and have seen the same buildings ect.

Can we all take a moment to applaud that police office who persuaded her bosses to dig up the patio? If she hadn’t, even more people could have died

@ColdCaseswithColette

2 жыл бұрын

Great point 👍💯❤️

@alzychoze6591

2 жыл бұрын

Yes Karens CAN wreak havoc for good! JK- but true- thank providence for her intervention.

@tonyryan1574

2 жыл бұрын

She watched brookside

@ellioshiem7892

2 жыл бұрын

yes, she didn't give up....she got an MBE.

@dildonicplague

2 жыл бұрын

If caroline testified most of this wouldnt have happened either

I saw Caroline at a spiritual meeting in 2004. Poor girl looked haunted and never recovered. May the spirits keep her safe in love and peace.

@audraperkins3451

2 жыл бұрын

@ق اجخخ you know this how ?

@mariastewart9820

Жыл бұрын

💔

"He may have kept one or two bones..." Dude, he kept dozens of bones!

@bogusmogus9551

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, for the dog

People underestimate how serious even small head injuries are. A concussion alone can change your entire being. He had two huge head injuries.

Fred looked like the ventriloquist doll from that Twilight zone episode.

@rishijanki2670

5 жыл бұрын

wwe

@toddswift8737

3 жыл бұрын

fr

@denisekristen7620

3 жыл бұрын

OMG. You nailed it!

@jazmynbrown6820

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha he does

Unfortunately, Fred and Rose are not alone, I believe that even now, somewhere in this country, more people are being abused and murdered by similar people like the Wests, we just haven't found them yet.

The fact they abused their own children as brutally as strangers and themselves were abused mixed with low IQs and a society that preferred to look the other way and where authorities seemed to value property more than human life - a perfect storm. RIP all their victims 🥀

I never realised the missing toes and fingers were part of their torture!! Shocking

@supergrahamg

3 жыл бұрын

post-mortem trophies, a type of paraphilia, quite possibly.

@chriswakefield9538

3 жыл бұрын

What, you thought they just fell off?

@saintetienne755

3 жыл бұрын

@@chriswakefield9538 Wot Graham said

@ace6285

2 жыл бұрын

Paul Bernardo and his wife, Carla Homolka, the notorious serial killers in Canada also chopped off parts of their victims before killing them . Bernardo is still in prison but Homolka is free, married and has a family of her own. She ratted on him and got a plea bargain.

I dont get how someone could kill there own child. Its disgusting

@pooddescrewch8718

3 жыл бұрын

Its called mental dysfunction / psychopathy

@Bootmahoy88

2 жыл бұрын

It's astounding and infuriating to me how our present culture turns these super-creeps into a form of anti-hero. It's disgusting. It's like we're collectively saying, "Hey, guys and gals become a serial killer, a serial rapist, a serial killer pedophile rapist and we'll give you your own show!! How's that for a deal?"

@stfuplsok

2 жыл бұрын

sweetheart 137 *their

@birdie9240

Жыл бұрын

@@Bootmahoy88 once again. Dan… no one is saying that…

@Giuseppe1299

Жыл бұрын

For a moment I faugh they were all on the same ⛵

Anyone started watching this due to the recent news on tv about possible remains found related to the fred west murders?

I’ve noticed while researching and watching these documentaries that something a lot of these serial killers have in common is that a lot of them have had some sort of head injury during childhood, and a lot of the time were also abused during childhood. The head injuries seem more common though. Just an interesting observation I made, I’m sure others have seen this connection as well.

@teresas8173

3 жыл бұрын

Sarah Catherine , yes, it’s known that’s its usually a combination of genetics, sometimes child abuse, and sometimes head injuries that create serial killers.

@SHurd-rc2go

3 жыл бұрын

I saw something one time of a study done on some very violent prisoners in the U.S. Many showed damage to their brains on scans. Sorry this is so vague. But I've never forgotten the gist of the study.

@joeogle7729

3 жыл бұрын

Apparently Hitler turned into... Hitler when he was fighting in ww1. He got gas attacked and they think the gas damaged his brain and made him into what we know now.

@pooddescrewch8718

3 жыл бұрын

Frontal lobe injury makes it likely that a person will lack the self control of a healthy person . See Bobby Joe Long , Chris Benoit

@ldm673

3 жыл бұрын

Richard Ramirez was knocked unconscious and almost died on multiple occasions before he was six years old and as a result "later developed temporal lobe epilepsy, aggressivity and hypersexuality" His psychiatrist said because of this he was a made psychopath and not a born psychopath. I found that on Wikipedia if anyone wants to read more.

I knew about his frontal lobe injury, which explains his behaviours, but not about his IQ of just 80. That's a really bad combination.

@Mac-sb5lj

4 жыл бұрын

@Mister Physics Who shamed anyone? You rediculous fool! I merely comment on the facts of his frontal lobe injury. Go research the functions of the frontal lobe. Then you may understand just why, coupled with a very low IQ, he had these behaviours. You are incorrect in saying that the brain injury causation was adults. He was involved in a nasty biking accident. Resulting in disfiguring facial injuries and FRONTAL LOBE damage. Open a book for the first time in your argumentative sad life.

@sirandrelefaedelinoge

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mac-sb5lj *RIDICULOUS*

@Mac-sb5lj

4 жыл бұрын

@Andre Linoge I agree. You are rather.

@Mac-sb5lj

4 жыл бұрын

@Julia A I agree with your very intelligently comment. Informative and factual research. Well done.

@justinnardine8564

4 жыл бұрын

Mac 101 oh my god

Fred LOOKS like a predator. Never want to be alone with him.

@reallyryan_

4 жыл бұрын

Well he's dead so that won't be a problem lol

@TheLittleNicky1

4 жыл бұрын

Hindsight is 2020. Did Ted Bundy LOOK like a predator?

@mariadaugbjerg6141

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheLittleNicky1 Yes , if you look at the look in his eyes.

@daveidduha930

3 жыл бұрын

you can't tell by looks alone. The guy you all talk about and stay away from could be the most kind gentle soul you would have met, while someone charming and appealing could be waiting to kill you. Its just impossible to tell by looks

@avacatherine5646

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! We’re looking at this with the benefit of hindsight. When you’re looking at a still photo, maybe it does look creepy. But if you met these people, it’s likely that they’d appear as normal as anyone else.

I am grateful for documentaries like this because it educates the public what people can do. Then they hopefully become more cautious and pay attention to warning signs. Back when West was doing this, people never even considered psychopathic murderers. Sadly, we HAVE to know these things and teach others. Stay up-to-date and be safe.

@valuetraveler2026

Жыл бұрын

it will make no difference - because the way it is framed is not the way human life is

Eww his mugshot gives me creeps. I remember being a kid and seeing the news and realising what he had done....was so shocking and depraved. Their poor kids.

@kerryann2041

5 жыл бұрын

@Samantha J.Hudson haha what a weirdo. 😂 why exactly am I an idiot? You sticking up for old Fred are ya?

@voodoo1611

5 жыл бұрын

That escalated quick lol

@voodoo1611

5 жыл бұрын

I was working during this was an in-joke at work, no one knew how much carnage they inflicted.

@terrandroid

5 жыл бұрын

boo

@Zee-tl6tj

5 жыл бұрын

​@Samantha J.Hudson Did the peroxide melt your brain cells?

my mum used to teach basic maths and english to adults and taught him maths for a while at a centre in cheltenham, just next to gloucester. as someone who’s been raised in gloucester i know loads of people who have parents and grandparents who knew fred and rose but didn’t suspect a thing, really scary to think about

I happen to be watching this on the 25th anniversary of the police starting to dig up the patio. Peace to all those affected by these monsters.

Who else read the comments before watching the show

@Girl-101

5 жыл бұрын

Erica Charles I always do and then I miss half the frigging show!

@Dee-mo3oj

5 жыл бұрын

yeaaahh

@sonogabri1

5 жыл бұрын

Moi....before and after.

@mb-vf3qb

5 жыл бұрын

My big habit

No-one is BORN to kill, not even Hitler. You get that way from your life experiences.

@anthonyluna352

8 ай бұрын

This is false. Environmental factors are definitely a cause in some cases. But, it is entirely possible to be born a psychopath

I feel sorry for the child he once was.

@appiahallan

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed.

@CorridorJ

3 жыл бұрын

I feel sorry for his children more

@pooddescrewch8718

3 жыл бұрын

He was likely a psychopath before the abuse and before the head trauma . Rosemary was not . She was groomed into it and grew to like it .

@audraperkins3451

2 жыл бұрын

@@pooddescrewch8718 Fred was also sexually abused and physically abused by both parents. Still a sicko .

I remember all this coming home from university and hearing the news. Terrible calamity for all those hurt by those two including their poor children

I had read, in one of the articles, that Rose was infuriated by Charmaine's head-strong attitude and vehement denial at calling her mummy. She was so defiant she didn't even cry on getting beatings and punishments while Anne Marie would stand right there shedding silent tears watching the ordeal of her sister. Charmaine believed up till very end that Rina will come and take her away.

These documentaries are getting me through lockdown

I feel really sad for Caroline and the rest of the children that suffered at the hands of these monsters. It was chilling when Caroline said that she could still hear him laughing, joking about the patio and that she still felt his presence. It was deep, and dark, it chilled me enough and I'm behind a screen. Everything about this was unjust, they got away with their sick depraved fantasies most of their life, Freddy left a lot of questions unanswered and killed himself, his wife selfish as ever and majorily indenial with little life left to serve her sentence. Hanging her would have been just for such a heinous crime but I'm not related to any of the victims.

Everything stems from trauma. It has never been adressed. Pay attention to the children and their suffering

@staciasmith5162

2 жыл бұрын

Say it louder.

I’ve watched a lot of sick and twisted documentaries on serial killers, but God this one was the craziest and most disturbing.

This just makes me scared of people

@SuV33358

5 жыл бұрын

Trust. No. One.

@bjarnestronstrup9122

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuV33358 Yes, same as Fred West did 3:). JK : "Ye don't trust anyone!".

@sirandrelefaedelinoge

4 жыл бұрын

Enjoy your risk-averse Millenial lives...

@cksskckcs515

4 жыл бұрын

U should be. Under the right circumstances many are able to kill unfortunately.

@flower_girl4983

4 жыл бұрын

Be cautious and take self defense lessons. Also don't go to people's houses from pubs

I live a few roads away from this house. It's been knocked down and now stands as a walkway, but each time I pass it, I take a moment and a deep breath. It's an odd sight, knowing that the patches of grass and pavement there once held such evil things. I hope there is some peace now for these brave women.

Authorities will always claim that these criminals were/are so "charming, cunning, smart" etc to make excuses for their lack of action and downright uselessness.

@gap_tooth

2 жыл бұрын

that’s actually a great point that i never thought of

@jamesdoyle3885

Жыл бұрын

Yea good point there

I had a cousin who sadly didn't survive more than a few days after being born. His funeral happened to be the same time and place as Fred West's (the crematorium has 2 chapels). Always found it haunting to have even a loose connection with such an evil man

@Luton-Mick

2 жыл бұрын

Don't worry they went to two very different destinations.

@colbysteger3735

Жыл бұрын

@@Luton-Mick Most definitely.

@Harbaksh1234

Жыл бұрын

@@Luton-Mick So true!

His building skills helped him a lot.

Deeply fascinating. Thank you

This is why I don't trust strangers, it's a shame to live like this but there are some EVIL weird people out there - those poor girls and their families!!🙁

@taramahoney3368

4 жыл бұрын

His poor kids too! He abused them too and murdered his own elder daughter, Heather!

My dad has a friend who was in the same school class as Fred’s daughter, who he killed, apparently she was very odd. He also remembers waiting for his dad to pick him up on Cromwell street and outside Fred’s house, there was a rolled up carpet covered in ginger hair.

@jumpyourbone

2 жыл бұрын

very odd in what way? interested to know details about what she was like.

I recommend a two-episode miniseries called Appropriate Adult. Dominic West plays Fred West. Emily Watson plays the court-appointed social worker sitting in on his interviews with police after he is caught. Dominic West is just eerie and brilliant.

Fred the builder told the police he had only killed 6 but later when they had evidence of 12 he admitted 6 had only been a estimate.

@julesmw4689

4 жыл бұрын

😂🤣

My Gosh, this is why there should be much stricter laws when it comes to the breeding of humans !

It puzzles me why West's house was razed to the ground and obliterated, but Dennis Nilsen's two Houses of Horror are still standing. I suspect London property prices have something to do with it.

@DoraWinifred

3 жыл бұрын

Nilsen's place was a flat and the other was a terraced property so It would be legally difficult to destroy them.

@speedyboishan87

3 жыл бұрын

@@DoraWinifred Nilsen's property was owned by a Landlord and Wests was owned by Gloucestershire Council. Reason why it was easy to demolish 25 Cromwell Street to the ground

@jhibberd6290

2 жыл бұрын

@@speedyboishan87 25 Cromwell street was owned by Fred West

There is an amazing drama called Appropriate Adult. It is told from the perspective of the "appropriate adult", Janet Leach who sat in on the Fred West interviews. The actors who play the parts do it amazingly. The appropriate adult played by Emily Watson, Fred West is played by Dominic West and Rosemary West, by Monica Dolan. Both Dominic West and Emily Watson won BAFTAs for their parts, which are well deserved, especially Dominic West performance in the first episode, is unreal. If you ever get the chance to watch it, you won't be disappointed. Three part miniseries.

@acs1809

3 жыл бұрын

I'm on the first episode after your recommendation, cheers.

@Robin-sc1lf

3 жыл бұрын

@@acs1809 Ah, great! Hope you enjoy it. If you're anything like me and love a dark drama, you will definitely like it. Like I said, the actors in it do a phenomenal job and the series is very dark indeed. I think Emily Watson is one of the greatest actors of our time.

@acs1809

3 жыл бұрын

I'm on the second episode now and it's crazy how you don't hate Fred even though you know the horrendous things he's done.

Blows my mind that everyday you pass people; some of whom have suffered such unbelievable trauma and pain, some who seek to cause it and others’ oblivious to the world and anything going on outside ‘their’ world🧐🧐 God Bless those who lost their lives and those who lost their, deserved, future ❤️✨

"Opted out of the human race." That's an important distinction. People aren't born bad, they become bad.

@paulnelson3096

4 жыл бұрын

Yep

@GarethWareth

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. An excellent phrase. They opted out.

@davidcopperfield-notthemag397

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree that people are not born killers. They act on their desires more and more in essence jading then killing their birth conscience. People CHOOSE to become wicked. They are able to stop the progression but they don't want to. I would say all of us did something bad in our life and made the choice to not do it again. (James 1:14-15)

@paulnelson3096

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidcopperfield-notthemag397 the real root of the whole thing is SIN.but where sin abounded Grace did much more abound.only God's grace and Jesus Christ can change someone's life..nothing and I mean nothing will change a person inside and out..

@itskalledkarma78

4 жыл бұрын

@@paulnelson3096 Amen

Wow you got great new pics of dead Fred! Thanks!!

If only there was a way this behavior had been looked into earlier. Koodos to the lady detective that convinced her bosses that something evil was happening at the residence. With an IQ of 80, what kind of work did he do that paid him enough to buy a house and hire a nanny? Throughout there are so many holes or facts that just don't add up correctly. I pray all the victim's families are able to cope and get past the horror of this nightmare.

@prochoicenotantivax119

2 жыл бұрын

Don't always have to have an high IQ to get a good job

@audraperkins3451

2 жыл бұрын

Rose was on the game , probably brought in more £ than Fred.....

Charmaine was so freaking cute 😢

@manoharreddy8760

5 жыл бұрын

And she was lucky

@andymurday4538

5 жыл бұрын

Lucky in what way?

@comanchio1976

4 жыл бұрын

O think the IQ thing might be a bit of a red herring. It could be argued that if they were more intelligent, then they'd have been better at evading the authorities and more skilled at manipulation. I'd say the brain injury and abuse are enough to explain the type of abhorrent behaviour that he/they indulged in.

@pain-killeryates5448

4 жыл бұрын

She looks so much like my niece. Her death really gets to me, who is capable of murdering a child? She was only 8...Poor little mite. Shes so cute..Wish I could visit her and Heather's grave

@comanchio1976

4 жыл бұрын

@Piatequila It seems like I was replying to a comment that is no longer here. You're mixing up excusing something and explaining it. Also, there is no set 'muderer genes', it doesn't work like that. But given certain genetic factors mixed up with environmental/family/childhood trauma, and it makes it more likely that people like this will exist.

I was in Cromwell street there in Gloucester the other day..! And how Caroline Roberts describe's Cromwell street is exactly how it is..!

"Short and unproductive" Stop describing me

@reallyryan_

4 жыл бұрын

Loool

@appiahallan

3 жыл бұрын

The nerve of them

They’re looking for another victim now 19th May 2021 digging up the basement of a cafe

It amazes me how all these so called "expert" psychiatrists make perfect theories and talk so knowledgable after the fact. We can all be "experts" with the benefit of hindsight.

@Gos1234567

3 жыл бұрын

Very true,turns out the kids were admitted to hospital 31 times over the years with various injuries and not once was anything done about it

@DEADisBEAUTIFUL

2 жыл бұрын

@gerry o sullivan- Seriously? I hadn’t heard that before. It seems that there were a few people who could’ve said something about this but just kept quiet. That’s a terrible thing to hear. Things may have went much differently had they just said something.

@Gos1234567

2 жыл бұрын

@@DEADisBEAUTIFUL I’ve heard of things like this in many documentaries.The old days were not good and don’t let people tell you “people looked after one another much more in the past”. Things seemed very bleak if you didn’t have a good family

@crystaldawn9255

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah we it's easy even they've done all the research for us

@robinsinpost

2 жыл бұрын

RED Knight What's wrong with that? They have all the information now and can make a diagnosis which will be accurate. Why is that amazing?

Frightening to think there are people like this out there

@karishmagoyal465

2 жыл бұрын

ARE U INDIAN?

No matter how many documentaries I watch on these two I still can't believe it it's beyond anything I can imagine it's horrific. I can't even begin to imagine how their children have gone on to live their lives coz I dread to think of how hellish life was for them. I've just watched see no evil the moors murderers on itv x and as awful as that is it's a brilliantly made 2 part drama but like this it just leaves you baffled, baffled at how anyone can do such monstrous things. It's impossible to get my head around the evil some people can do. It really is mind boggling.

Some people sure do live strange lives, makes you think what is this universe all about

@user-vy6ee1wo4n

3 жыл бұрын

It only makes sense in the context of the devil existing..

@user-vy6ee1wo4n

3 жыл бұрын

Turn to Allah s.w.t, let him deal with these types

@oliviagrace6914

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-vy6ee1wo4n God bless! Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and died on a cross for our sins so we can live again in Heaven where there is no pain or suffering! God is our Father and Creator and raised His Son Jesus from the dead! Confess and repent of your sins and God will freely forgive you! Trust in God and live for Jesus as He died for you! 💕 (don’t swear or take God’s name in vain!)🤍

@oliviagrace6914

3 жыл бұрын

God bless! Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and died on a cross for our sins so we can live again in Heaven where there is no pain or suffering! God is our Father and Creator and raised His Son Jesus from the dead! Confess and repent of your sins and God will freely forgive you! Trust in God and live for Jesus as He died for you! 💕 (don’t swear or take God’s name in vain!)🤍

@casualcrisis6349

2 жыл бұрын

the religious replies make me nauseous. do your own research, folks, and stop following your beliefs mindlessly

Fred used to work in a shop down the road from my primary school, my mates mum worked there with him and she says he was a really nice man and it was such a shock. It’s crazy though how he worked so close to a primary school

@joenorton3405

3 жыл бұрын

Well what do you expect him working near a primary school bet he loved looking at all the kids going in and out

@oliviagrace6914

3 жыл бұрын

God bless! Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and died on a cross for our sins so we can live again in Heaven where there is no pain or suffering! God is our Father and Creator and raised His Son Jesus from the dead! Confess and repent of your sins and God will freely forgive you! Trust in God and live for Jesus as He died for you! 💕 (don’t swear or take God’s name in vain!)🤍

Carolyne is lucky to be alive.

@ahmedmwenye9564

4 жыл бұрын

Very lucky

@tadhgknight3484

4 жыл бұрын

In a way it’s even worse, because for the rest of her life she’ll have to live with the memory of her abuse, rape and torture imprinted in her mind.

@TheCrystalShield

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately she appears to have died of cancer in 2016.

@laurafriar7823

4 жыл бұрын

@@ahmedmwenye9564 she died in 2016 of cancer

@laurafriar7823

4 жыл бұрын

@@tadhgknight3484 she died in 2016 of cancer

Lived in Gloucester for a while and one night I purposely drove out to Cromwell Street. I dunno why, morbid curiosity :(

Why would you as a mother leave your daughters to someone like this man you knew is prone to violence? I so pity the children.

He somehow carried on what he himself had been a victim of. I cannot imagine being abused by your parents. The trauma must be immense.

Good documentary

I was watching a restoration video of some animatronic in a music video from 2004 and now I'm here somehow

Rip all you kids hope there at peace

When I got into a taxi in Gloucester and simply asked the driver to take me to Cromwell Street, he instantly replied: ‘’you do know the house isn’t there anymore?’’. 😂 Guess I’m not the only curious person who wanted to see Fred West’s street over the years. (I did know the house isn’t there anymore).

@mariefirth1768

5 жыл бұрын

I more shocked at the fact you didn't know it wasn't there

@dawnguard6472

5 жыл бұрын

Brandon Greenleaf I used to live in Gloucester, my office on Southgate street was a few min walk to Cromwell Street - lost count of how many family friends I had to take there to see it!

@Tur1883

5 жыл бұрын

Miss Catz I did know it wasn’t there. I still wanted to see the street. My point was I only had to ask to be taken to Cromwell Street and he knew why!

@amtownsyou

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder how the residents at 23 cromwell house feel

@bogusmogus9551

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder what it did for house prices in the street

I was just thinking the same thing when l saw your comment. Eerie makes one feel quite vulnerable.

From 15 years old onwards and then when I was at college in London I used to hitchhike all the time. It was a great way for young people to get long distances cheaply and people were so good at picking up I always made it quicker than a coach from London to the north of England. When you arrived at the beginning of the motorway out of London there would be 10 people waiting and you'd get a lift within 30 minutes. It was super common and normal in the UK as we didn't have the crazy serial killer stories of the USA around hitchhiking. This one case completely put a stop to it. You never see hitchhikers now and people would be too scared to hitchhike and too scared to pick you up. I think society has also changed but the fact we had our own sick serial killer that got victims hitchhiking and this story told by the survivor was what really killed it off (if you pardon the pun).

2 demons in the flesh that simple

Evil lives amongst us. Human beings can be as evil as evil itself. Be careful of people

@jackiereynolds2888

2 жыл бұрын

It always seems to happen when your guard is down.

INTERESTING WEIRD!!! I APPRECIATE THE UPLOAD!!! MORE DETAILS I NEVER KNEW!!!

No contest...women make the best detectives......they possess an awareness that runs right over their male counter-parts heads...!!

@anthony1368

4 жыл бұрын

Thonk

@astrzmbie9968

2 жыл бұрын

Suuuuuure.....

Too bad you don't have the death penalty. Rose is definately someone who needs it.

@86Tinby

4 жыл бұрын

nursemedic17 bring it back in a heartbeat

@hammadoolass

4 жыл бұрын

@@86Tinby I would vote for it !!!!

@joshuajackson4742

4 жыл бұрын

jo egleton me too

@reginawarburton3255

4 жыл бұрын

No death penalty in the western world is quick enough. Decades worth of scum nowhere even close to the gallows.

@andrewmatthews6861

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely and I would build a bonfire 😠😠

I really hope their children are getting the help they need

@chloed1924

Жыл бұрын

One of their daughters, Mae West, wrote an incredible book about growing up in that house. I'd recommend it! She's undoubtedly a strong woman

Gloucester council's housing benefit dept at the time was also notorious for 'losing' claim forms and anybody lucky enough to get processed often had to wait months in arrears for a payment. Made it all to easy for some landlords to exploit their tenants.

Dancing with the devil soundtrack in the background was a nice touch

Very friendly with the local constabulary. This is deeeeep.

He is disgusting! Heather in the end her death discovered others and lead to there arrest a terrible sacrifice!! I feel for there children who are alive and well. They should never of been subjected to such suffering.

Sat in Hereford England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 watching this

The terrible realization that u aint going home lying there masked up in duct tape