One thing to note is the Eve app was just updated with Thread section that shows which devices are connected via Thread and if they are routing (Nanoleaf Essentials, Eve Energy) or sleepy endpoints (Eve Door & Window, Eve Aqua).

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this amazing Tip Ian!

@robblelee121

3 жыл бұрын

I find my nanoleaf bulbs all show endpoint instead of router in Eve's app, is there any setting I miss?

@CaptRam1u5

3 жыл бұрын

@@robblelee121 do you have just the Nanoleaf bulb or do you have some of the Eve gear as well? I suspect that the bulbs start as end-points (non-sleepy) and only get promoted to routers when a sleepy end-point device or another regular end-point is added to the Thread network.

@robblelee121

3 жыл бұрын

@@CaptRam1u5 right now I only have nanoleaf bulbs and strip, my Eve door&window will arrive soon and I will see any difference happen

@CaptRam1u5

3 жыл бұрын

​@Jay tech addict Homekit Couple of things I would check. 1) make sure HomePod mini is working as expected in Home app. 2) Check for updated bulb firmware (looks like latest FW is 1.3.24 (2020-11-10)). If there is an update available let it update then wait 5min, if it still isn't switching to Thread try removing it from HomeKit and re-adding it. 3) Make sure at least one bulb is near the HomePod mini.

Thank you for posting this helpful video

Good topic, I thought my knowledge on smart was at a intermediate level but this Thread has passed me by till now than you. You are now added to my subscriptions.👍

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Gary

Best and clearest explanation I’ve heard yet.

Thanks a lot 🧡. Now I got the idea of Thread.

Great video & I have just got HomePod mini & they are superb! 👍good explanation 👏

Thanks. Now my knowledge is upgraded. My question how do we know the the device we going to purchase support Thread? And symbol on the package or on the box we will understand immediately?

Thank you for a great video. I have a question? I bought a power outletsocket from Eve. Do i need to connect that to a homepod mini to get a thread network? Or how else can i make a thread network? Buy some kind of a HUB?

Looking forward to it happy new year

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Happy new year!

Great video, I just stumbled upon this! Will be very interesting how thread and matter integrate once Matter is released later this year. with Thread acting as the network layer and matter acting as the application layer we can finally choose any equipment for our home and know they will work with Homekit, Amazon or Google. Thank god for that :)

@weirdo1060

Жыл бұрын

Matter got released as of this comment time. Partial success and we shall see if updates can fix.

Great video mate. Subscribed ;)

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

What hub ,smart switch, smart button wireless, smart plug with do you recommend me , have home pod mini and aplle tv

Great to see those near instant responses! Future is bright for smart home tech. Can I ask where that floor lamp is from in the background? Looking for one just like it

Thanks for the video. Do you know a smart button which is homekit and thread enabled ? Because I have the fibaro button and the response time is not always fast...

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

None on the market yet

This is exciting! It’s going to be hard to wait for new thread devices to release but it’ll be worth it!! Hopefully someone thinks to do this with outdoor cameras!

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Thread is exciting and I can’t wait for it to be used in more devices. The speed and reliability is amazing

@liftingafterdark3241

3 жыл бұрын

@@John-Smith-1 dang that does suck!

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

I am not sure either

If you have a family gathering, do you have to physically "add" thread connectivity to your device (say your Cell phone) or does it automatically connect to the tread network?

I have a question, what frequency band Thread uses between the Host and a Router? It is gray area which I can’t figure out. Does it uses a sub-GHz or 2.4GHz?

Superb explanation of the benefits. Ta! Love to hear your take on what WiFi 6 protocol network/ devices paired with Thread will do for HomeKit?

May I ask one thing around HomeKit limitations. You mentioned that thread can eliminate hue hub (if in the future Phillips want to do thread support) so my question is, is thread the way to fix problems like one Phillips hue hub can only support around 35-40 bulbs, or better one HomeKit can only support around 120 devices.

Superb explanation

what frequency should the lights for Apple Homekit run on without issues ???

I hope you can answer this for this newbie.... So how do you connect a thread device, do you pair/connect to the HomePod Mini directly and not your home WIFI?

Are IKEA tradfri lights etc compatable ? I use eero mesh also 👍

can thread support be added to existing devices? like the HomePod?

Does the 2021 Apple TV 4K have thread?

I have 31 devices on my Homekit. My router supports wifi 6 and i get 1.2 g speeds at home. My worst area of the house furthest away from the router gets 80 down. Mostly all my devices never get "no response". But some of my LifX bulbs get the no response, makes no sense to me as all other devices are solid without issues.

Fascinating video Jon. Eve have always been at a disadvantage with hub less BLE only support historically, range and HomeKit not allowing automations triggered by their battery devices. Wonder if they have the Nordic wireless chipset. It looks like having Nordic and an Engineer from Apple on the board of directors has been very good for the Thread Alliance. Similar for Nanoleaf, they look to be releasing a whole lot of smart dimmer switches at CES in a few weeks that are part of their essentials line and look to be thread devices and those bulbs and LED Strips are amazing value. Hopefully the likes of Philips and Netatmo don't get left behind, you would imagine they should have some big announcements also for CES 2021.

When will I be able to buy one of these devices? You have convinced me that Thread is the way to go but all of the sites that carry the Nanoleaf Essentials bulbs list them as unavailable. Even the Amazon, Apple and Nanoleaf sites. I have my HomePod minis and wonder how long I will have to wait to build out my system. Any guesses?

So how do you actually connect Nanoleaf through Thread? Do you have like a setup guide?

To take full advantage of thread would you need more than one capable device such as Apple TV and HomePod mini. I have gen 1 4K Apple TV but have HomePod mini. Wondering if need to upgrade to new Apple TV or if HomePod gives me what I need to take advantage of thread

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

The HomePod mini is enough

OK. So, I get that if I want Remote Access to my Devices, I need to buy a HomePod. But, how does the HomePod connect to the Devices? Is it over WiFi? Because some of my Devices would be way too far from the HomePod to connect via Bluetooth

My Philips Hue lights are a nightmare to control, constantly one bulb or two goes unresponsive despite being close to the hub and the Apple Airport modem. My HomeKit hub is an Apple TV 4K and I have an iPad 5th gen on standby. Now my bulbs are a couple of years old, should I invest in something else? I mean I only got 4 bulbs and I’ve always had my doubts about expanding due to fear of building upon old technology.

another great video Jon. just a quick question, did you say existing Apple TV 4K will be getting an update to enable it as a thread hub?

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

No, I think a new Apple TV will come this year with Thread

@HomeKitAuthority

2 жыл бұрын

It will say on the box

Hey so can yall help me out? I'm a galaxy guy, just got the s21. I want the bulbs but I'm confused about the hub requirements. Can I use my bulbs just by themselves with the app? And could I configure the bulbs with a smartbutton? So I could just walk in the room, click the button, and boom whatever i have configured it goes right to it? Or do I NEED the hub to have the network working together? I appreciate your time, and much love from the U.S.

@GreeniusGenius

2 жыл бұрын

You probably won’t find many Wi-Fi buttons, since Wi-Fi, and good battery life don’t go well together, hence why a hub is usually required, since a Hub can use Zigbee for example to communicate with child devices, which will use less battery as a result. If you are a Samsung user, maybe a Smartthings hub (from Aeotec), and a Smartthings button, and any decent Zigbee bulbs would be worth a try?

Another great video, thank you! this is so helpful! Could you maybe make a video what thread means for integrating an existing network into a thread network in the future? What I mean is this: I am currently running exclusively on Philips Hue with their bridge (largely bought in 2018). I have of course linked it to Homekit. I now plan to buy smartlights from Ikea, Nanoleaf, and a bunch of stuff from e.g. Eve. I guess I will buy a Homepod mini as well. could you make a video how all this integrates and what this looks like on the homekit interface? would be awesome! Thanks!

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks for watching. thread looks no different in the Home app to other devices connected via Wi-Fi, zigbee or Bluetooth. The biggest difference is the speed to connect

@timo4159

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Jon, thanks for the quick reply! I was assuming that it would simply look the same and for the user it is not visible whether connected via Thread, Wifi or another protocol, but was not sure. But now I know 😉 Thanks. That would have been a very short video I guess 😂 best of luck to you and your channel. Cheers

great video Jon! I can’t wait to watch Thread grow in 2021!

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dustin! Happy new year dude and hope you are well!

Thank you

Hello I recently bought a HomePod mini and it works great I love it but it Siri keeps saying sorry I didn’t hear back from your devices and then maybe five 10 seconds later they’ll come on or they won’t but my phone works great for Siri turning on lights on and off it’s just the HomePod many so is there anything I’ve done wrong or something I haven’t done yet if you could please help me that be great thanks

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe it could be a Wi-Fi issue

I’d like to build my smart home with Apple, starting 2021. This is a must.

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

An HomeKit hub like a mini is certainly a big consideration

Isn‘t Zigbee a Meshnetwork too?

I just bought Meross wi-if led bulbs. Says on package they work with Apple HomeKit. Do I need hub?

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

No, they work via Wi-Fi. Just add them to HomeKit via the Home app

@mocarver

3 жыл бұрын

Thx for response

@cantisanifotografo

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomeKitAuthority do you know if Meross is going to join Thread? I love my Meross devices but I’m now interested in this protocol in my home.

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

@@cantisanifotografo I have asked them

My eero Pro mesh routers now support Thread also.

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

And it will work in the Thread mesh to boost it

I just bought a HomePod mini and two nanoleaf light bulbs do I need to get the smart plug to control them with my voice and stuff

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

No you have everything you need

@wrldnel5200

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomeKitAuthority oh ok thank you so much for the quick response I’m just new to this stuff and I wanna try it it’s just a little confusing

What is the difference between thread and matter? And why they mentioned as matter works over wifi and thread? Is it true that all thread appliances are not homekit devices? But all appliances built with matter are homekit devices rite?

A bit off topic, but I have a number of Hue bulbs on my HomeKit network. I frequently can not use them as they show “updating”. This happens too often to actually be what is happening plus, the updating sometimes lasts several hours. My other HomeKit devices are available to use while this “updating” is occurring. I have two HomePod Minis on order, so I’ll be able to see if they prevent this from happening. Any thoughts as to what is occurring? Thanks.

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

This could be a number of issues. If the hue bulbs are connected to a hue bridge and that bridge is connected to a router. Then the router could be overloaded. If they are connected via Bluetooth, then it could be a Bluetooth range issue.

@peterrasmussen3100

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomeKitAuthority the lights are connected to a router thru a bridge. I also have a Eero mesh WiFi plugged into the same router. When I plugged the Hue bridge into the Eero, I had al kinds of issues. Perhaps a better router than the one provided by AT&T U-Verse.

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterrasmussen3100 have you tried plugging in the hue bridge into the eero mesh?

@peterrasmussen3100

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomeKitAuthority yes, I tried both options as far as connections go.

So basically it works just by itself with my HomePod mini and all Thread supported devices without any setup?

I’m shocked why this Thread protocol is not yet mainstream yet. Is it a rival to Zigbee or are they in a different spectrum?

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

I am shocked aswell, but it’s going to mainstream

So with thread will everything work through the home app for the likes of firmware updates or will you need the manufacturers app still? Also for the likes of adding say a hue bulb, how you currently add it to the hue app. Would that still be the same process or would you put it straight into HomeKit and get firmware updates? Two kind of inter-mingling questions I apologise!

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Apple is starting to move device updates via the home app. So devices with a hub should be pushed via the Home app. I am not sure what route manufacturers with bridges will go down yet

@michaelthompson657

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomeKitAuthority yeah I thought that was coming, suppose we’re just going to have to wait

Sooo do u think hue will support it soon?! If so, Over air update possibly, or do we need new hardware?!

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

I think it will need new hardware

Have you heard if Aqara or LevelLock will support Tread in their existing devices? Aqara currently uses Zigbee so I would think they could do a firmware update to get Thread to work. I know LevelLock currently uses BluTooth on their devices. I would love to see both of these companies jump on the Thread train. Thoughts?

@robertmiller7849

3 жыл бұрын

Neither has enough memory in their current devices. I can see LevelLock putting out a new version but Aqara will stick with ZigBee.

i understood that Philips will update hub to thread but example lights?

@HomeKitAuthority

2 жыл бұрын

unknown timeframe

@hessulipoika13

2 жыл бұрын

@@HomeKitAuthority but no lights* only hub

One of the biggest issues I have is when my router connectivity goes down, my whole smart home becomes unusable. Isn’t thread supposed to solve for this problem?

Where can I get those nano leaf bulbs? Can’t find any in uk

@JohnYoungCORNWALL

3 жыл бұрын

nanoleaf.me/en-GB/products/nanoleaf-essentials/

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Keep trying the Apple and Nanoleaf website

I’d love to see you review eero since it supports both Thread and HomeKit Secure Router.

@irayankhan2658

3 жыл бұрын

Apparently the new eero with Thread, doesn’t support HomeKit secure router (yet).

@MrKevosmin

2 жыл бұрын

@@irayankhan2658 is this still the case now ?

Love your channel mate. I’m not the most it savvy guy but what is the difference between thread and mesh? I’ve just got the TP Link M5.

Are the nanoleaf essentials bulbs not yet released? They seem to be unavailable everywhere at the moment. I’m Brand new to HomeKit- just bought a handful of hue bulbs but they are pricey!! The £18 nanoleaf bulbs will be much better!

@HugoBillington

3 жыл бұрын

Scrap the Hue, if it’s not too late I’d say return them and wait for the restocks of nanoleaf essentials (I’f you’re desperate for smart bulbs). Thread is the future, a like it was said in the video, the more you have the more stable it is. I’m starting completely fresh with my smart home with thread, keep it simple with one protocol and you’ll have a more stable and enjoyable setup, (and possibly more affordable) For apple to adopt it, it’s obviously solid enough, that’s their way. Late to market, but perfect it 👍🏼👊🏼

@danielfoster3154

3 жыл бұрын

@@HugoBillington thank you. I’m going to give the nanoleaf a run if I can get my hands on the stock!

So this could be me being stupid but can you get siri to change say your light bulb to green or blue without a homepod

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, Siri on your phone

Will all thread automatically work with HomeKit or is there still HomeKit certification?

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Only HomeKit certified devices “works with HomeKit”

Do you believe that end-points devices, like motion sensors, could work as thread routers?

@MurchyMurch

3 жыл бұрын

They could but at the expense of power usage. Sensors and child devices fall under MTD (Minimum Thread Device) most of your battery powered stuff will be MTD.

@homekitlife-automacaoresid9407

3 жыл бұрын

@@MurchyMurch Got it 👍 Thanks!

mesh network? like some sort of mold or fungus?

Is there a rule of thumb about Thread range and/or ability to penetrate walls? Being low power, it is very short range, right? Are we talking a good connection over 5 metres of air? 10? Through one interior wall or floor? More?

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

I am not 100% sure as it creates a mesh network. But I would say each node would be limited to around 10 meters

Very informative and HNY

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Happy new year and thanks for watching!

Similar to zwave?

This video is about my new mesh network protocol.

Does this mean any Thread device will automatically work with HomeKit now as long as you have a HomePod Mini?

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Only HomeKit certified thread devices

Do you Think Philipps hue will upgrade to thread? I build completely on this now 🙄 and i wont buy new lights...

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Rumours have suggested only the hub will get thread support

@TimHaus93

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomeKitAuthority oh is this usefull anywhere? :( i Think its not when the lights are not working with thread, right?

Just curious if any has tried the Nanoleaf lightbulbs with a thread-enabled eero mesh Wi-Fi system; no HomePod Minis...? /Ray in San Diego 😎🌴⛱😎

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

The thread built into the eero will help with performance. But as far as I am aware you will need a HomePod mini to first Authenticate into HomeKit

@user-qi3hf8ko3q

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomeKitAuthority an iphone doesn’t work??

@user-qi3hf8ko3q

3 жыл бұрын

@Jamie Davison no we’re talking about authentication and thread support, not automations

This video is two years old as of my post. We need updates on current devices in 2023 along with Matter language integration.

Does IKEA work with Thread?

Does thread work with voice activation like Siri?

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

Do you know if Philips Hue lights will support Thread?

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Not the current hardware, but future hardware may support it

LINKS?!?!

Is there any news on HomePod full fat getting thread?

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

The current hardware does not support it

@tommyshobalongdong

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomeKitAuthority Does it require Wi-Fi 6 or something?

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

No, it needs the thread hardware.

@BillSnuggsWMS

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomeKitAuthority so software update not an option, requiring purchase of new HomePod?

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

@@BillSnuggsWMS not as far as I am aware

Nanoleaf are currently out of bulbs....will keep watching though

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Sure are!

@datarusty

3 жыл бұрын

21st of January

Hey Jon, how does thread compare to zigbee ? Zigbee devices seem very responsive to me so far

@StuffAboutStuff

3 жыл бұрын

They are. zigbee already serves this purpose very well (after 5 years of daily testing in my home) excepting that there is no ip address. i dont have any latency of any kind.

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Zigbee does work really well, but it requires an hub to operate. Especially in HomeKit and multiple hubs for different manufacturers. Whereas thread does not require this and can work independently. You also don’t need zigbee as the transport layer at all if you use zigbee. Thread is a an alternative to zigbee and is part of the chip project as one of the wireless communication options

@StuffAboutStuff

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomeKitAuthority zigbee does not require a hub. Philips Hue goes through the hub since about 18 months ago - but most 3rd party zigbee hubs do not process all commands -they are an agent for configuration fo the devices and for time scheduling and logic. The zigbee standard defines how lamps store scenes in them and the switches tell the lamp to go to scene X directly. Hue used to work like this but they changed it.

@StuffAboutStuff

3 жыл бұрын

I've just read up a bit more on it - You might - in future be able to flash your zigbee devices to thread and use the same wireless mesh transport ayer to transmit the commands. But until you have done that - thread support will likely be through hub interfaces.

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

@@StuffAboutStuff so how does it connect to HomeKit? Zigbee needs a bridge to talk to HomeKit Hue is more than 18 months, I have had them for 2 years or more and needed an hub for HomeKit.

Helpful video but quite repetitive. How many times do we need to see the light turning on and off?

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

I showed it twice! Once for Bluetooth and once for thread

@Noodles.FreeUkraine

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomeKitAuthority No worries Jon, I'm sure most of us appreciate it.

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

@@Noodles.FreeUkraine Thanks

@tmhudg

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomeKitAuthority We see the bulb turn on/off at 4:12, 5:33, 7:23, 8:34, 9:08, and 9:20. We also see the Thread diagram at 1:42, 1:52, 2:12, and 3:29. I also felt you made some of the same points verbally several times. I still thought the video was helpful and I gave it a thumbs up. Just wanted to provide some feedback on some things I noticed. Apologies if you'd rather I not provide it.

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking the time to provide the feedback and it will be taking on board. Other than the actually demo of the speed. The rest was used as a b roll and no intended to show it again in the same way. But I will take the feedback as I do with all received

I'm getting so confused with all these techs lol. Thread, Matter, Z-wave and zigbee which all sound like they do the same thing XD

Fred's going to be busy...

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, he’s like Santa Claus

@NaptownClassic

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomeKitAuthority Ho ho ho!

Thread is marginally ok with homepod mini it does constant updating when you execute home or any app that supports home. U can not control the lights during this process. The thread on homepad min is not ready for prime time. Apple has issues with the Border router in Homepod Mini.

Has anyone noticed saying “HEY SIRI” turn on the MBR TV, which is connected to a TV 4th gen, and 99% of the time, you get a response “I tried but didn’t receive a response” and when you use your Watch, pressing the crown, for Siri, works 100% of the time and works better than just verbally walking in the home saying “Hey Siri” anxiously looking forward reading any and all reply’s. Thank you in advance for your time.

I wonder what the limits of thread are? How many devices can be daisy chained and then what is the latency like at those limits?

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

I am told around 200.

Fread… Thread …Fread… Thread …Fread… Thread …🤣🤣🤣

Unfortunately, I'm finding the Homekit devices that replaced my Alexa devices, are the ones that continually disconnect and require physical resets. Almost never happened with Alexa devices. If Apple doesn't get serious about reliability and affordability, I'm concerned they will never be a serious contender.

Video starts at 1:27

I’m loving the future of the Thread promise four HomeKit. Thread is the hardware version of BitTorrent. Good to see Apple finally getting with mesh technology. Now they need to implement native BitTorrent technology as part of their platforms and put podcast on BitTorrent and WebTorrent distribution.

Hope Hue works with thread so I can get rid of my hue bridge

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to see what they do in 2021

@michaelthompson657

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomeKitAuthority yeah definitely! In the process of moving house so I want as much of the gear to be thread! I’ll probably just have to wait for it all to come out, 1 big thing I want is something to control roller blinds like Soma but thread

@remcoj6245

3 жыл бұрын

The current Hue devices don’t have the required hardware for Thread built in. Maybe future generations of the Hue lights will support it. just as the latest lights have bluetooth and zigbee, there may be lights that have Zigbee and Thread.

@michaelthompson657

3 жыл бұрын

@@remcoj6245 let’s see what they come out with! I agree it’ll probably be zigbee and thread for the new bulbs, just hope I don’t get new bulbs for the new house and have to change them all 😂

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Yes agree, they need to make thread enabled bulbs. Very little value in making the hub thread as it defeats the object

finally someone posts Thread info!

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Thread is awesome! More people need to talk about it

@robertmiller7849

3 жыл бұрын

Open your eyes, it's already out there. This is a copy cat.

Sounds like zigbee...

Lovely 😍💋 💝💖❤️

Fred

Gezzz Just talk about the topic not all the advertising and promotional jargon

@HomeKitAuthority

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for staying tuned

Fred 😃

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

He’s a busy dude

Bid deal

@HomeKitAuthority

3 жыл бұрын

Edited, thanks

I'm Alone 😍😥

I need boyfriend 💋💋💋💋💋💞💞💞💞

Due to thread…my Eve energy power points stopped working. No matter what I do or reset…it’s just not connecting.