I love Jones, i think he's old enough and bold enough to not be swayed by "sponsorships" and to say what he thinks.

Steve’s body language with Adam says he doesn’t care for him too much. I do like this channel a LOT

Hi guys. I took my Giant Stance E+ 2 2022 model and upgraded to a Fox 36 front suspension. Wow what a difference! Running on Scwalbe Mary's front and back. Drops, jumps, downhills, climbs, technical sections etc. Excellent all-rounder. I considered the new Giant Reign 2023 model but after the recent upgrade I am happy to keep the Stance. Thnx for great content

The best ever distance was 42 miles with 1963 meters of ascent . Giant Stance e+ pro 1 2019 with 625wh battery. Weight and temperature make a difference though, whilst doing the West Highland Way in late April and loaded up with luggage ( the bike weighed 31kg and I had a rucksack 9kg) Inverarnan to Kingshouse 33 miles and 1256m of ascent . All done in eco set at 75% assistance. I weigh about 90 kg in riding gear.

My very first run on my first emtbn (an Orbea Wild FS 10, 2022) was this spring. Me and my friend, he having a range extender, had a great trip in the forests surrounding Oslo, Norway. Got almost 75 km, had 8% left on the battery.

suspension design does matter as well as the sum of all the bike parts. but what matters most is having the right bike for the type of trails you ride.

Had my Scott 730 for 4 years, 3,700 pounds .used in Spain and uk. Done 6,000k only changed 1 tyre and chain set , brakes. I’m 69 and best thing I ever did. Been to so many places in the mountains. Just get one.

My first emtb was an entry level first gen Levo. This would be considered a price point bike of the day. Only mods were adding a dropper and making it a mullet by adding a 29er up front. Served me well for five years without any upgrades. Loved this bike! The end of 2022 I bought a Levo Comp Alloy and before pedals went on, the fork and rear shock were upgraded as was the saddle, handle bars and stem. The old Levo got everything except the rear shock because it’s a different size. The summery is this: the old Levo is way better with wider handlebars, more front travel and new saddle. The new Levo is the most kick ass bike I have ever ridden! I have the confidence that it will suit me for over five years!

Hi, on my rise M10 with extender (612Wh) I did 150km with 4268 meters of ascent running in Eco. 👍

for myself i took my turbo levo from canmore to banff to johnstons canyon to calstle mountian and back on a 700 battery. when i began i had the power turn on so i can keep track of the info on the mission control app on distance and such but i did not engage any of the power modes yet. i only engaged the power modes when i got to a hill and about 1/3 of the way i engaged eco and sometimes trail or turbo. all said and done i got back and had like 1% battery left and distance was 108km. i had about 2 bars when i got back to banff and figured i had more then enough to get back so i put it in turbo and boosted all the way back because i didn't bring enough food for myself so i was so exhausted and out of energy.

Rode 64 miles and 3000ft elevation on my cube stereo hybrid 160. 750wh battery and still had 28% left. Rode in eco most of the way.

Great show guys and interesting debate on the cheaper bikes. My issue with any emtb is longevity of motor and battery. Considering how many motors are replaced after only a couple of years that’s really poor.

Have to agree about f/s vs hardtail. My first emtb (at age 65) was a Trek Powerfly 7. Great spec and handling but my ageing back and wrists suffered badly, and I couldn’t keep up with my f/s mates. Now on a Giant Trance E+2 which I love.

Got to say I am a big fan of this channel, the videos are always well presented, full of useful information and they can be amusing also, so what's not to like, I recently bought a 2022 Giant Stance E + 1 29 ER, I was away from the scene for 10 years due to having 3 operations on discs in my back, previously I visited most the major trails in Scotland as well as doing the West Highland Way 3 times on mountain bike, which is no mean feat, Buying the stance e bike gave me a chance to get back out riding again, no longer am I knackered when I get to the top of a section, it makes a very big difference to me, I was thinking of upgrading to a trance or reign.. but your video made me realise that my stance is adequate for what I do, its just a big mind trip buying a more expensive bike, especially when the one you have can cope with what you do.. a more expensive bike isn't generally going to make you a better rider, a bit like a while ago when I bought all new Hardy fishing equipment, the fish don't know or care what your equipment cost, so that does not make you a better angler , same with bikes.. if you can ride what you want with what you have, no need to upgrade, a lot of fishing equipment is designed to catch fishermen not fish.. I suspect its similar with e bikes and e bike manufacturers 😅

@billskolnik4908

10 ай бұрын

Well said.

I wanna see a decoy vs timp peak vs ekano2. All great preformers, long travel, direct to consumer brands two of witch offer full customized builds.

Adam's tata are cool AF!

I rode 90.59 miles and 3,570ft of Elevation on one 500 battery on a Cube Reaction SL hard tail with Bosch gen 3 motor. I'd used battery management and turned the power off when I could and used one bar at 63 miles. This was doing Covid. I actually ran out of light or I would of done 100 miles as I'd finished with 2 bars left. The reason why I had ran out of light was because I came across a fella who had a diabetic fit. It took 2 hours for the ambulance to arrive and that made me behind on time. My Strava is Mark "Bootsy" Graham and my ride is 31st August 2020.

I got to 1% on my cube stereo 140 action team and in the end I’d covered 87 miles.

Bought myself the e-mythique vr last week as a return to mtbing after 15+ years, got it for 1k off rrp (£2300) love it so far 👍

Steve? I watched your comparison of the Giant Stance and Trance, great Stuff, though not sure which one to go with.

I've got a question for future discussion. What crank length is more beneficial for EMTB's and what are pros and cons of shorter cranks vs longer cranks?

Please provide a comparison between the Bafang M510 and the Giant/Yamaha as to motor response on the trail, on tech trails, lag time or ramp up. How natural is the Bafang to other systems? Can the Bafang system compete with Bosch, Brose, Shimano, etc?

I think you guys should test ride that new Ekano freeride bike!

@davemorgan4524

11 ай бұрын

Awesome bike and customisation options.... review please!

I love this channel.

I hsve the 2022 stance - i have spent alot on upgrades as it comes pretty standard even at 3.5k but the bike is an absolute joy and ive taken black dh no problem

Did the Old Ghost Road - 86K with 82% of the 700w Levo Expert Carbon, on auto mode - 8200m climbing. awesome

Steve, Adam great show as always with much to ponder over the ever changing world of emtb’s. I have just had my 12 speed hyper glide cassette and shadow+ derailleur come to the end of their natural life. Am I correct in thinking that the link glide 11s doesn’t have the microspline availability? If so, are there any ways in which I could change to link glide without changing my free hub?

Are these currently available in the US?

Haibike allmtn 5 Bosch performance cx motor 625 watt , 52.6 miles with 3775ft of climbing and still had a bar left. Be interesting to see what I can get now that I’ve just installed a 500 watt range extender!

My first criteria at the moment is the battery cause i dont want to be on adventure with battery anxiety and also lifespan of bigger battery is longer. I think 630 wh batteries are going out of style, i am only looking for a bike that has a minimum of 750 wh or more. i love the new giant 800 wh battery with only 300 grams more than 625 wh. big step forward.

@olik136

11 ай бұрын

I think the same way when I actually buy a new bike.. but I have a 10 year old bike with only a 400wh battery, a 4 year old bike with a 625 and a new bike with a 750wh battery and for my riding it doesn't change a thing.. I charge all of them after 2 smaller rides or after 1 bigger one

@rocfella

11 ай бұрын

@olik136 cool, yeah it depends on how long are your rides. but even if 800 wh battery loses its health over the years, u still got a lot of juice to play with.

That propane is stunning

I managed 45km at the Forest of Dean trail center on a Wyte 160-e with the Bosch CX, blue 70%, 20% purple turbo 5% and eco 5%. With one orange bar left of battery. It was my first time on a full power, full suspension e-bike, having tried a cube hard tail a couple of years ago. My main takeaway is it is way too much weight at 25kg. I’ll be buying a lightweight sub 18kg e-bike for sure.

210km on a Norco Bigfoot VLT with 900w battery on eco mode the whole way. And I had wind at my back.

Having had a Cube hard-tail & now a TM 750 140 the full-suspension is so much better and opened up so many more routes, I could never see myself riding a hard-tail again to be bounced all over the place whilst having to replace my fillings all of the time. However, I am feeling that the 24kg is a beast to lug over fences and gates so was wondering whether a lighter bike might be the answer, although I enjoy the battery/range I get from my 750wh battery. What are peoples thoughts on light-weight vs loss of range. I am not hard-core down-hill, enjoying rough-tracks across the highlands more type of thing.

Usually I deduct around 1,000 or 1500 for the battery and motor and console and I take a look at what's left and often there are a bit poor components on the bike for that price.

625 battery 52 miles 4500 ft elevation and still had one bar left!

I was looking for a new mtb to get back into the biking but jaut a couple of days ago i was thinking hmm will i try an Emtb and you know what its the way its going im only gonna regret it and go for an ebike later lol

You need to look up chris birch who sent in that short vid …. That dude is amazing

Could you guys test the Radon render deft. On paper it looks like a really good bike, but how is it in the trails? Could it be the competitor to canyons strive?

$$$$ Question - should I snag an 'On-Sale' ebike with Shimano's EP-800 motor, or wait to get one at full price for the EP-801 motor? Not sure if all 801's have autoshift and shift while coasting, or do they all have it? Is the 801 that much of a thing most people will end up wishing for in the future, or is it just a 'use it a few times and forget about it' feature? Can the 800 be updated via programming to do the tricks the 801 can do?, or is the 801 a completely new design? I'm zeroing in on my first e-mtb purchase and prices are very good on 2022 model year bikes nowadays in the States.

Is there a site we can check the serial numbers on Used bike's?

What you guys think of Polygon’s Collosus N8E eMTB? I don’t see any review done on this bike yet anywhere! I’m very interested to see you guys do a review

@ark530abe

11 ай бұрын

Own the bike love it! Jumps and corners well and also goes over chunk good. Done some good adventures more than 40 miles and 7k vert feet in the rockies. Great spec but the wheels are on the cheaper side.

It is time for more entry level emtb bikes! Better-faster-Lighter-more travel-stronger motor worth nothing for you when you don't have the money to pay for it. I started with a low quality US$200 china made ebike (emtb) and it made me happy (and took me outside to the trails) fro more than 3 years. It is time for more bikes like the Giant Stance E+

You got the name wrong on the Pole Voima pic.... This was my picture :) Name: Sigbjørn

I might have 3K+ into a Bafang hardtail, built from the frame up. Now the Vitus or Giant might be all around better bikes, but they don’t have a throttle... I’m 71 and really need the rest a gas pedal gives me, more so when it’s crazy hot out. Also my local trails I’m doomed to ride ‘cause I’ve no drivers license, do not require a F/S bike. In fact they kill the challenge. Everything in life is a compromise, more or less...BUT growing that much older, a full sus bike may be in my future. I have a donor waiting in the wings....

@stevenreyes3680

11 ай бұрын

I think what I’m saying is, you want the perfect bike for You, build it yourself. It might cost more, and it could cost less.

@olik136

11 ай бұрын

I think all the bikes on EMBN are what is legally called a "pedelec" here and those are not allowed to have a throttle (max. 250w, may only assist, max. 25kmh). For anything above that you need a drivers licence and insurance in most European countries.

66 mile haibike allmtn2 2022 still had 5 mile left according to the computer

What size was the Giant that Steve rode? He talks about the chainstay size but doesnt seem to say what size the bike was?

240 km eMTB-Mode 625Wh - thank you continental RaceKing and legs 😂

Skills on a Hardtail are not the same as skills on a full suspension bike no comparison yes they are bicycles but they are completely different just as you talk about suspension travel, battery wattage, etc. happy trails

71Kms 500Watt Bat Stance E1 Pro

Sorry, but you can't beat the value for money of the Canyon Spectral ON

I'm waiting for 2024 bikes now. Mayb orbea ride 2024 or focus jam sl 2024 will be out soon?? Means the 2023 will be cheaper

don't forget about the skill of the rider ;)

Wiggle/crc is now officially bankrupt so watch out buying a Vitus😅

vitus al day!

Anyone else see the duck’s arse at 15.06? 😂

Howzit guys We are busy with immigrating and want to get my wife a ebike when we do. Question is, what happens when the battery is flat? Does it just become a mtb?

I dont see why you would limit yourself to shorter travel bikes when the motor compensates for the additional travel compared to manually riding uphill where you may want to have something with less travel. I agree that you pick something based on where you live on a normal bike but the ebike already weighs a heap and does most of the work for you uphill so there are less downsides to more travel.

So Iv just decided to make the jump over to the dark side and I’m going to invest in an E MTB, But I want to support British. So my question is, what brand is going to be my best choice? Keeping in mind I’d like to buy an mtb and an e-mtb from the same brand if possible. Thanks for the content love the show.

@NP-th1mo

11 ай бұрын

I’ve recently purchased a Whyte E-180. It goes up & down like a beast. 3 runs up & down at BPW the other week and didn’t even break a sweat.

@PM_13

11 ай бұрын

@@NP-th1mo I’m a fan of hard work so not breaking a sweat doesn’t sound like my cup of tea. But I suppose I could just go for longer!

@NP-th1mo

11 ай бұрын

@@PM_13 I break the sweat going downhill though, and faster times. I only got it cause I was struggling with my lungs (after an op) I’ve been struggling at altitude lately and even struggling pushing my normal bike up to the uplift. You’ve got a few different riding modes so you can still put a big effort in if you want to. I’ve always loved the downhill, but now I’m loving the climbing. Win win for me. You won’t be disappointed though for sure.

In my opinion. There is no such thing as an entry level e bike. Or a hard tail being less capable. It’s rider ability personally I’ve ridden black trails on my hard tail Haibike. All track 6. It’s awesome fun. Up tech trails or down

35 miles, lots of climbs and 88kg rider.

If you are looking to buy an ebike and all you can afford is a hardtail. stop! save up more money and wait for end of season sales and buy a Full sus. However much the industry tries to sell you on an uncomfortable hardtail bike. Your back will appreciate a full sus trust me on this. Oh and BTW avoid carbon it's for uninformed people who have lots of money and no sense.

@stevebarrow5789

11 ай бұрын

spot on advice!

@kieran710

11 ай бұрын

Well said i went with a hardtail well bone shaker as i didnt want to shell out a small fortune on a full sus but regretted it well not regretted it but sold it on and brought a full sus after a year as much more comfort and more capable have to go full sus if you can afford it wait for the end of season sales.

@mountaincruiser817

9 ай бұрын

If your a bad rider and lacking skill a HT is indeed a handfull ;-). If your a experienced rider, HT-E's are so much fun!

Factory produced brand name 'complete' e-bikes will always have a horrible price to performance ratio. The only way to go is to build your own. You dont have to deal with silly 'regulated' power modes. You know every single part intimately for maintenance and reputability. It's easier than you think. Improve yourself, learn a new skill and build the e-mtb you really want (not what a factory thinks you should have) for far less than you would pay for an off the shelf unit.

One thing bike manufacturers skimp on is wheels,first thing i did with my 2023 cube stereo is get new,decent wheels built,( hope hubs) (dt swiss rims) well worth it.

FUCK THE PRICE OF EBIKES FUCK THE PRICE OF EBIKES

EMTB prices are ridiculous !! Can buy a new Enduro motorbike for the same money, and less ~~

E Bikes are just not worth it …There well over priced and the reliability of them is a joke …I’ve got a Kenevo and love it ….but they really do rip you off …

@aurimasmjablonskis1154

Ай бұрын

But hey : mechanichal bike are same price too , so why not to try a e-bike . Since i got one , i was only twice with my old bike …