All I know is I have a greater understanding of the bible since becoming reformed. My depth of knowledge about a lot of things has increased exponentially.

@robertmize327

2 жыл бұрын

Amen. I feel that, too.

@blackfalkon4189

2 жыл бұрын

ah but how do you know you're one of the predestined 'elect'? you could easily be in the other camp for all you know

@apilkey

2 жыл бұрын

@Deb Harris Predestination is easy to understand if you just read what the Bible says instead of what reformed theology teaches. Predestination is mentioned 4 times in the Bible in 3 separate verses and NOT ONCE IS IT REFERRING TO SALVATION. In each case the passage clearly says WHO is being predestinated and TO WHAT they are being predestinated to. In all those passages ask your self WHO is being predestined and WHAT are they being predestined to? *Not once is it an unbeliever.* *Not once is it predestined to salvation.* BELIEVERS are chosen to be Holy and blameless IN CHRIST, are predestined to be adopted children of God BY JESUS, predestined to be to the praise of His glory and predestined to be conformed to His image EPHESIANS 1:4 - BELIEVERS chosen to be Holy and Blameless IN CHRIST. EPHESIANS 1:5 - BELIEVERS are predestined to be adopted children of God BY JESUS: EPHESIANS 1:11,12 - BELIEVERS (who first trusted in Christ) are predestined to be the PRAISE OF HIS GLORY: ROMANS 8:29 - BELIEVERS (those who are in IN CHRIST) are predestined to be CONFORMED TO HIS IMAGE (through sanctification).

@kilgen28

2 жыл бұрын

@Deb Harris The “whole world” means both Jews and Gentiles not every person in history. None of us deserves to be saved, we all deserve hell. So that God gives the gift of faith to some (Eph. 2) and passes others by is just.

@patrickbarnes9874

2 жыл бұрын

No it hasn't. What you've done is accept a theological system that when overlaid on top of scripture offers explanations of verses you previously found difficult. Based on that, you've concluded that your understanding of the Bible is greater. Your understanding of the Bible is actually worse, because your reliance on Calvin to interpret scripture for you means you aren't attempting to find out what the original authors meant. Your depth of knowledge has plunged downward. For example, every Calvinist I've ever seen, from random youtube commenters all the way up to PhD theologians, reads "individuals unconditionally chosen to salvation from before the foundation of the world" everywhere they see the word elect in the Bible. Not because they've ever seen the Bible say this, but rather because they learned that definition from Calvinism and simply apply it indiscriminately everywhere they can. Instead of reading the context of the passage where the word "elect" occurs in scripture, they simply automatically insert the "U" from TULIP regardless of who is writing, who they are writing to, when they are writing, what the circumstances were when it was written, what the context is of the surrounding text, etc. Once someone becomes a Calvinist they stop attempting to figure out what the text says and simply presuppose that since they have a definition of "elect" from the doctrines of grace, they can just use that definition and presuppose it is always applicable and always correct.

I've studied Reformed Theology and found it to be totally biblical and I've studied Arminian Theology and found it to be totally biblical. I am doubly convinced. Other than that I couldn't care less. I believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth and his Word. I am saved.

@abullard8409

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Amen 🙏

@rhondae8222

Жыл бұрын

Reformed Theology is the most biblical. Praise God (Christ)😊

@jonedwards2107

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Gotta go back and take another look, don’t you. Arminianism teaches that you can takes your own step toward faith. Reformed teaches you are dead in your sins. Dead people can’t do anything to save themselves. You can only come to faith when God applies his grace to you and makes you alive. At that point, he also gives you the faith to believe. You will find it in the book of Romans. Arminianism is a form of semi-Pelagianism. Now, many, if not most Arminians believe it is also possible to lose your faith, but that idea is specifically denied in the book of John. I grew up Arminian, became Reformed at the age of 65. When we are told in Romans to “work out our faith,” it means to persevere in our faith until death. That is the P in the Calvinist TULIP.

@tracy8508

Жыл бұрын

How in the world is reformed theology totally biblical when it is cessationist?

@offroad5798

Жыл бұрын

​@@tracy8508 watch A Case For Cessationism on KZread

Reformed Theology is solid, concrete Biblical teaching. We use the Bible to explain our theology, it is the SOLE ground of our faith and life.

@thomasstackhouseocm3081

2 жыл бұрын

REFORMED THEOLOGY... IF YOU HAVE A BIBLE AND BELIEVE IT, YOU HAVE NO CHOICE!

@kenim

2 жыл бұрын

AND its the Spirit that reveals its truths to us, since He’s the author. Who could understand it otherwise? I think this should always be declared together because Reformed are falsely accused of being unspiritual or out of touch with the Holy Spirit. It is also a good reminder internally for younger Reformed so they dont seek to lean purely on intelectual understanding.

@robertmize327

2 жыл бұрын

I watch his series and conference messages and he's very reasoned. I just watched this and I was hoping he would take it out of the weeds and answer it for mission fields; How salvation was covered up and profited from by the medieval Roman Catholic church and the Sola's are fundamental. That's powerful. Just saying hello I guess. Love Ligonier

@thomasstackhouseocm3081

2 жыл бұрын

@Deb Harris You simply must point out these "holes" in John Calvin's expositions for me to take you seriously Deb. Start by spelling Calvin correctly?

@blackfalkon4189

2 жыл бұрын

ah but how do you know you're one of the predestined 'elect'? you could easily be in the other camp for all you know

Thank the LORD for Legoniere ministries. .. Produces such simple and amazing teaching. & teachers. Helping me to grow in the LORD. 🙏🙏❤

I hope more Christians would come to a better understanding of Reformed Christianity such as this. Genuine reformed theology is not arrogance nor sophistry, it is a thorough Biblical exposition of our beliefs as followers of Christ. Praise God for His providential grace in always reforming the church throughout history. May His grace be upon us in upholding the message of the Gospel everyday. God bless your ministry, Ligonier. To God be the glory!

Reformed Theology was a wonderful paradigm shift in my thinking from Dispensationalism.

@bigscarysteve

2 жыл бұрын

I too was raised in a Dispensational church. I'm wondering if your experience was like mine. My church was very close-minded about everything--like an ostrich with its head in the sand. They didn't try to refute opposing points of view--they just told their followers to ignore opposing points of view. They frequently mocked Calvinism, but I had no idea what Calvinism even was, so I didn't understand why they were mocking it. I didn't even know that the Dispensationalist tradition comes from a group called the Plymouth Brethren, nor had I ever heard the names John Nelson Darby or George Muller. (And yes, it is a tradition despite their claims to the contrary.) My experience left me with a way of reading the Bible that was as if I had blinders on. It took me decades to be able to see things in the Bible that don't conform to their interpretation. But the biggest intellectual hurdle I had to overcome was not their eschatology or their ecclesiology, but their soteriology. I only found out six months ago that what they were teaching is called Free Grace theology. I'm still not sure where that tradition comes from--it's my understanding that the Plymouth Brethren were Calvinists themselves back in the nineteenth century. I'm still halting somewhere between Calvinism and Arminianism myself, but I know one thing--wherever Calvinism and Arminianism are in agreement against Free Grace theology, I side with the Calvinists and the Arminians.

@leefury7

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigscarysteve I had a DTS education in the mid 70's. IMHO, it was by far the best era of dispensational teaching. My professors were exception teachers and Christians. We must not throw out the baby with the bathwater. There are not a few "dispensational" teachers/churches that tread the hairy fringes. You have that in all truth systems. Dispensationalism has evolved over the last 30-40yrs and IMHO many of those splinter factions will be short lived. Classical dispensationalism can be viewed as Reformed with a reformed eschatology.

@carmensiekierke3579

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigscarysteve I recommend checking out Dr. R. Scott Clark's "Heidelblog." Dr. Clark is a professor at Westminster Seminary, CA. and a church historian.

@carmensiekierke3579

2 жыл бұрын

@@leefury7 Lee, words mean things. Define " Reformed."

@bigscarysteve

2 жыл бұрын

@@leefury7 The pastor of the church I grew up in started his ministry in the 1950's. He founded that church (or should I say chapel?), so there was no Plymouth Brethren presence in my town before the 1950's. There may have been a few Baptists and Pentecostals in my town who were Dispensationalists before that, but not many, I would guess. I have no idea where my pastor got his education--that was one of the questions you weren't allowed to ask--but I'm pretty sure everybody else in the church got their training under his tutelage and nowhere else. My church was definitely in the Free Grace theology camp. We weren't allowed to talk to people from other churches, with one exception--we did cooperate with the lone Christian & Missionary Alliance church in our town, even though I know the two churches differed at least on their beliefs about eternal security--which makes me surprised that we were even allowed to talk to people from the CMA! The original pastor of my church passed away about twenty years ago, but the church is still there. I have no idea who pastors it now

One day we will stand before God and every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father; reformed or otherwise .

@carmensiekierke3579

2 жыл бұрын

@Pat Smith......Question: Do you understand that verse is referring to ALL the people who have ever lived on this earth? This takes place after the second coming of Christ when everyone who has died is resurrected from the grave. The reprobate will also bow and confess that Jesus is Lord.

@hr2r805

2 жыл бұрын

"Depart from Me, I NEVER knew you"...

Aren't we (the sheep) so thankful we have The Good Shepherd who we simply follow OUT of the world of religion. Thank you Lord for being...I AM.

Simple. Reformed Theology consistently teaches a Sovereign God. Non-reformed theology doesn't.

@youknowelgin

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed it seems Non-reformed theology usually consist of some type of almighty God that bends to the will of man but we know that is impossible.

@edwardelliott5756

2 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with both of you. An Almighty, all knowing and Magnificent God does not wait on man to decide, on pins and needles, if man will decide to take an offer for salvation. He is Omnipotent and his will cannot, not happen. Thanks!

@the_maskedtoaster844

2 жыл бұрын

No non reformrd believe in a sovereign God as well, just that God does not have to meticulously control all things to be sovereigned. He can if that what he pleases however he pleases to give limited freedom .

@alyssiavaughn3884

2 жыл бұрын

Yep

@edwardelliott5756

2 жыл бұрын

@@the_maskedtoaster844 So, what are the limits of your sovereignty and God’s?

Please pray that God saves me and fills me with His Holy Spirit, Thanks

@lonmayer130

2 жыл бұрын

Recognize that Christ died for you, God is the only true god, and that the holy Spirit has been given to us by Christ as our helper until he returns. Once you have granted Christ access to your soul, you are sealed by the holy Spirit In accordance with Ephesians 1.

@saludanite

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus CLEARLY pointed the way in John 3.5-8 and John 7.37-39 Paul backed Him up with the 6th chapter of Romans, explaining himself in chapter 7 and promising the results in chapter 8.

@saludanite

2 жыл бұрын

@@lonmayer130 More Reformed machinations.

@jonedwards2107

Жыл бұрын

At the point that God chooses to save you, you will be filled with the Holy Spirit. Don’t expect any external sign or wonder to come with that.

Reformed Salvation declares that Salvation is by God alone. Non-reformed claims it is by God + man.

The consistency of reformed theology is one of the most satisfying things - it’s kind of sad to meet Christian’s who kind of “accidentally” believe in certain parts of reformed theology but resist other parts and find themselves being inconsistent not realizing many of the chains are linked together cohesively!

Thanks Robert W Geodfrey *4 Yur Powerful, Blessful, Deep Answer on "What Is The Difference Between Reformed Theology & Non-Reformed Theology" Where I Say That Reformed Theology Is Biblical, Solid, Understanding & Teachful While Non-Reformed Theology Concentrates on Prosperity, Acceptance & God Isn't The Focus While God Is The Focus on Reformed Theology* & God Bless Yu Robert W Geodfrey & Ligonier Ministries So Very Much.🙏🕊️

1:59 Thank you for your work :-)

Dr Godfrey is addressing the fact that there is more to Reformed theology than discovering the " doctrines of grace." The doctrines of grace are the entrance ramp to the freeway.....but it's a bad place to park your car. Reformed theology is driving on the freeway.

@apilkey

2 жыл бұрын

If Reformed theology is in the freeway it’s on the highway to hell. Nothing biblical about reformed theology.

@carmensiekierke3579

2 жыл бұрын

@@apilkey Leighton Flowers is a Pelagian. Pelagianism is " the heresy from Hell" that was resurrected during the Synod of Dort. Most of American evangelicalism is semi-Pelagian, so your comment fits right in.

@apilkey

2 жыл бұрын

@@carmensiekierke3579 Semi-Pelagian is a boogeyman fallacy nice try 👏. Even Pelagius didn’t believe all of the 14 charges against him. I’m guessing you have no clue what those are.

@carmensiekierke3579

2 жыл бұрын

@@apilkey Here's a hint to you...... I am Orthodox Presbyterian, holding to the Westminster Confession of Faith, and that " Pelagian boogeyman that Calvinists use" is a line that a dispensational Baptist that converted to the Eastern Orthodox Church ( because the evangelicals drove him to despair) also uses when he posts against Calvinism. My comment was in regards to the Synod of Dort and the Remonstrants.

@apilkey

2 жыл бұрын

@@carmensiekierke3579 What about the Synod of Dort. Here’s a quote from King James about the Synod of Dort he was definitely on the ball: “this doctrine is soo horrible, that I am persuaded, if there were a counsel of unclean spirits assembled in hell, and their prince the devil were to ask their opinion about the most likely means of stirring up the hatred of men against God their Maker; nothing could be invented by them that would be more efficacious for this purpose, or that could put a greater affront upon God’s love for mankind than that infamous decree of the late Synod of Dort.”

This guy should be a politician. He's an expert at giving an answer without fully giving an answer and mentioned very little about the differences in the doctrine which is what the question is pertaining to.

@Jlogann

2 жыл бұрын

He said it's the difference between being biblical and being non biblical. Clean out your ears and pay attention.

@kenamesthewatcherchronicle6746

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jlogann that's his opinion. This is what every denomination says about every other denomination. Our doctrine is correct and biblical and theirs isn't. Flat earthers make the claim that a heliocentric solar system is not biblical. Does that make them right? This same gentleman speaking believes in a pre-tribulation rapture which is not biblical according to his longtime colleague, the late Dr RC Sproul. Both he and Sproul are reformists and can't agree on the rapture doctrine. Here is what reformists believe. They believe that there is nothing whatsoever any of us have to do to be saved because Jesus did everything for us. Forget the fact that Jesus said to preach the repentance of sins. Oh, and if you have a problem overcoming sin it's because you're not saved according to John Calvin, but not according to the apostle Paul. So being a calvinist reformist means that unless you have the power of the Holy Spirit to walk sinless in life, you have not been born again. He doesn't speak about the nuts and bolts of his doctrine because to do so will make it appear like he is a saint but you are a worthless unsaved wretch who hasn't been born again because you don't walk perfectly upright before God. That is the epitome of the Pharisees.

@Jlogann

2 жыл бұрын

@@kenamesthewatcherchronicle6746 concoderong I'm a reformed Baptist who's Calvinistic or at least neo calvinist. You're talking to the wrong person, and everything you just mentioned is incorrect. Salvation comes by grace through faith alone in Christ to the elect. The elect will be saved no matter what. There is nothing you can do to save yourself, repent of your heresy. Arminianism is a heresy. Jesus told the Jews because they did not know Him they never knew the Father. He's telling you the same thing.

@Jlogann

2 жыл бұрын

@@kenamesthewatcherchronicle6746 also, you're the only one sayingsomeone else is incorrect hypocrite.

@T.Ravikumar

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jlogann "There's nothing you can do to save yourself", so you say. Then you say "REPENT" of your heresy. If I repent, then I do play a role in my Salvation. So please be clear as to what you mean. Should I repent & trust in Christ's finished righteousness, wherein I've done something or should I continue to be the way I am & let FATE decide whether I'm elect or not? Because if I'm elect, I would anyway be saved, right?

Oh, boy, watch the comment section light up. I think the reformed view tends to have a higher view of God and scripture. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 is taken more seriously.

@apilkey

2 жыл бұрын

It has a much lower view because they believe it’s impossible for Almighty God to still be sovereign and in control of mankind has freewill. That’s a much weaker God. They also believe it’s impossible for Almighty God to know the future unless He determines it. Putting God in a tiny little man made box and limiting His power.

@edwardelliott5756

2 жыл бұрын

@@apilkey Since God determines what happens how is he “smaller “. A God who ordains all that will come to pass and nothing is unknown to him seems infinitely larger than a God who nervously waits to see what happens and then acts.

@apilkey

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardelliott5756 The God of the Bible isn’t nervous I’m sorry. The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is STILL in control despite the infinite number of fickle choices man can make. Only a truly sovereign God can still be in control whilst giving mankind freewill. The god of Calvin is limited in his sovereignty and is the only one so nervous about losing control that he’s forced to predestine everything. Your god is found nowhere in scripture.

@edwardelliott5756

2 жыл бұрын

@@apilkey You should read your Bible again. Your answer is nonsense and you contradict yourself.

@apilkey

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardelliott5756I’ve read it again and again and again and I’m continuing to read it and nowhere is the reformed definition of sovereignty found.

I’d like to hear his take on Reformed vs confessional Lutheranism.

@oracleoftroy

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think there is enough difference between what is explicitly confessed in the Westminster Standards and explicitly in the Book of Concord to have all that interesting a discussion, though that may be interesting for how surprising that might be to many on the internet. At least, when I have conversations with Lutherans, they seem to assume all Reformed Christians are Zwinglists and aren't all that aware of Calvin's or the confessional Reformed position on the sacraments, and Lutheran's seem to make a big deal about using the language around the sign when our confession fully affirms such language. (Yes, "Baptism saves" in both confessions, and both make the same contrast between a mere water ceremony and the true spiritual significance of baptism.) There are of course differences, but a lot of the starker contrasts between Lutheranism and Reformed Christianity seem to be things Lutherans teach in addition to their confession's statements and not something that arises strictly from the confessions themselves.

@jonedwards2107

Жыл бұрын

No, neither side believes baptism saves. Baptism is the public acknowledgment that Christ has saved the individual. By grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, according to scripture alone, for the glory of God alone. If you put the Westminster shorter Catechism beside the 1693 London Catechism, the only real difference is the Westminster teaches infant baptism (which is considered the entry into the church community just a circumcision was a sign of being brought into the Israelite community) and the London teaches believer’s baptism. Neither infant baptism or circumcision is a sign of belief.

John 7:17-18 anyone who truly desires to do God’s will and glorify Him will know right doctrine. The Bible is God’s word, not ours. We need to strive to understand what He intends to communicate through His word rather than what interpretation we like best.

@suerice5354

2 жыл бұрын

Truth!

@PETERJOHN101

2 жыл бұрын

One might argue that, as an academic pursuit, theology becomes little more than an exercise of the intellect. The truth is that the human mind can only know what God himself reveals to it.

@glennbaker7914

2 жыл бұрын

Don't be silly we make choices every day.

There are passages of scripture which support the Calvinist view, and passages which contradict the Calvinist view, and I've yet to find a prominent theologian who adequately addresses the issue.

@chrismachin2166

2 жыл бұрын

No passages contradict the Calvinist view- all passages including Matthew 23:37,1Timothy 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9 etc can all be refuted as contradicting Calvinism. All Biblical revelation refutes Arminianism.

@HearGodsWord

2 жыл бұрын

You haven't identified where the apparent contradictions are though.

@leefury7

2 жыл бұрын

Might I suggest Renald Showers book, "There is a difference." I'm pretty sure that's the title.

@kenim

2 жыл бұрын

The Reformed view affirms everything that is biblical and at the same time does not intend to unveil certain mysteries that are purposefully left unexplained. Every good Reform theologian will admit to this unless they want to have one step in heresy territory.

@chrismachin2166

2 жыл бұрын

@@HearGodsWord There aren’t any passages that contradict Calvinist/reformed position, even though Donald Joy says there are ( if he has any they all can be refuted)

Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, and I understand it's way more complicated and encompasses a lot more theology than this, but for a rookie. Is it fair to think about Reformed theology the way folks would have explained Calvinism vs Arianism 15-20 years ago? In other words, is "Reformed" just a more modern and more readily available word the majority of Reformed believers like better than Calvinism?

@jonedwards2107

Жыл бұрын

No, but Calvin did explain it very well in his “Institutes of the Christian Religion.” Before Calvin were many, including Augustine and Paul. My former pastor skipped Romans 8-11, and while I did not hear all his messages (family emergency kept me out of town a lot during that time), I suspect he didn’t do a great job explaining the rest of Romans, either. My wife discovered that in her Bible, extremely well covered in notes ever since high school, that there were no notes at all in Romans 9. This was after she turned 50. We grew up Nazarene and Christian & Missionary Alliance. No longer. When our former pastor said his favorite non-reformed theologian was William Lane Craig, and suggested we look him up, I did. Discovered he holds heretical positions. I accosted my pastor on it, he called me a Pharisee. We left that church, found a solid Reformed church. Everything changed for us. You truly need to be in a Reformed church.

@gordoncrawley5826

Жыл бұрын

"Reformed" comes from the Protestant Reformation, that was started before Calvin's time. In the early days of the Reformation, Christians took on the Reformed view of things, until about a hundred years later when a preacher named Arminius made what we call Arminianism a popular view of salvation. We do not all call ourselves "Calvinists", for we are not basing our view on one man, but on the whole original Reformation.

@geico1975

Жыл бұрын

@@gordoncrawley5826 Cool, thanks for responding, here's another question, could a "reformed" believer also hold "Arminianism" views?

Is there anything outside of Arminianism? Because it seems to me that Reformed people divide Christendom into 2 halves. I have seen Reformed folks calling Catholics Arminians, if Catholic soteriology were Arminian, then certainly Arminian soteriology existed before Reformed soteriology.

Anyone else think he didn’t answer the question besides claiming Reformed was correct and Arminianism was not correct? Grrr, this is why I am so annoyed with the reformed view.

Reformed theology is more than just soteriology, it's about the Sacraments, Christology, Theology proper etc..

@apilkey

2 жыл бұрын

So religion?

@reformedcatholic457

2 жыл бұрын

@@apilkey You do know Christianity is a religion, right?

@reformedcatholic457

2 жыл бұрын

@@apilkey And what I mentioned above is what is known as theology and doctrinal topics.

@apilkey

2 жыл бұрын

@@reformedcatholic457 no it’s not a religion.

@reformedcatholic457

2 жыл бұрын

@@apilkey James 1:27 ESV Religion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world

How to give an answer without giving an in-depth answer

There is only one holy spirit and one God, God is the same yesterday, today and forever, holy spirit doesn't teach one way and then the other, if somebody was wrong then they were wrong!!!!

In a word: consistency.

@Solideogloria00

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously? How so? How is God not the author of evil in Calvinism? I never found that answer as a Calvinist.

Reformed💯

Will there be people in hell who believed they were saved by trusting in Christ’s death, burial and resurrection alone, apart from works, as payment for their sins?

@gordoncrawley5826

Жыл бұрын

God alone knows our hearts and if we truly believe. But like a baby in the flesh, we start out by being born again by the Spirit, and then we grow up. John 3 Some who profess are not actually saved, that is a fact. see Matt. 7:21-23. However, if someone professes Christ, they should recon themselves to be a Christian and look to follow the Lord, by feeding on the Word of God, belonging to a solid church and doing their best to live a righteous life. If someone is saved and not conforming to the faith, the Holy Spirit will convict them of their errors. God is doing the saving, not us, and we are going to fall short, because it is our nature, but less and less as we grow up. 1 john 1:9

Church in the mind of God Almighty is in Christ Jesus,( Ephesians 3:8-11; Matthew 16:18,19; Col 1:13; Hebrews 12:28; Isaiah 2:2,3; Daniel 2:44;7:13,14; Joel 2:28; Matthew 3:1,2; Mark 9:1; Steadfastly in the Apostles’ doctrine ( Acts 2:42), The Manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ,( 1 Timothy 3:16; Hebrews 2:14;; Phil 2:5,7; Rom 8:3; Gal 4:4; Gen 49:10; Psalms 45:6,7), It is the the Church which was and which is in the mind of God Almighty is in Christ Jesus.

Salvation.

About 1500 years…

Rome and Paris(CNN) Pope Francis on Wednesday called a report detailing decades of abuse in the French Catholic Church "a moment of shame," and called upon leaders of the Church to ensure "similar tragedies" never happen again. Francis was speaking a day after a landmark report found that members of the Catholic clergy in France sexually abused an estimated 216,000 minors over the past seven decades and that the Church prioritized the protection of the institution over survivors who were urged to stay silent.

The only question I have for many of you here is why we don't share the gospel.. This is a general statement if you are sharing then you I'm not speaking too

@oracleoftroy

2 жыл бұрын

You might want to try some of the non-Reformed channels to get more responses. It's well known that Reformed Christians have been some of the most faithful in spreading the gospel to every creature.

Who would take a video on Ligonier Ministries seriously on this topic? "Reformed involves much more than a rejection of Arminianism" Before you even play the video you already see the false dichotomy of "Calvinism vs Arminianism" which is already proof that these people have no clue what non-reformed theology is and that whatever they say is going to come from a stance of ignorance of the vast body of true Protestant theology that isn't just "Take Calvinism and toss free will in" that is Arminianism. Portraying it as Calvinism vs Arminianism means you get to take it as an assumption that everyone believes in regeneration preceding faith, original sin, and total depravity since both Calvinism and the Calvinism-lite Arminianism accept those false doctrines. None of you would go to an atheist conference to find out what Calvinist beliefs are, but somehow you completely trust Calvinists to be objective well researched and unbiased sources of information about non-Calvinists.

@oracleoftroy

2 жыл бұрын

False dichotomy? His very first sentence clearly states that Reformed / Arminianism distinction is _one_ contrast, not that it is the only one. Lying isn't going to make people want to believe you.

This is so confusing. Gospel is so simple

@gordoncrawley5826

Жыл бұрын

The core of the Gospel is simple, and by that knowledge people become saved. Romans 1:6 But having an overall understanding of the bible takes time. Understand the Reformed view of the bible and you will be blessed.

Calvinism has hijacked the term Reformation. Arminius was also reformed, as the reformation has to do with departing from the Catholic church.

@BatMite19

2 жыл бұрын

Arminius lived about 100 years after Calvin. Calvin was Swiss; Arminius was Dutch. Reformed Theology has been around in Europe for 100 years before Arminius. So to call Arminius a Reformer, especially when his teachings were declared to be heretical by the Dutch Reformed Church, is a mistake. Arminius was a Protestant, but he was not Reformed.

@apilkey

2 жыл бұрын

@@BatMite19 Arminius followed Calvin’s teachings. He was essentially a Calvinist just disagreed with a few things.

@BatMite19

2 жыл бұрын

@@apilkey There's only one thing that matters -- does regeneration come before or after faith?

@apilkey

2 жыл бұрын

@@BatMite19 It’s scripturally impossible to be born again before you’re justified. You can’t have eternal life while simultaneously still standing condemned.

@BatMite19

2 жыл бұрын

@@apilkey Agreed. Very elegant.

Will non reformer Christians go to heaven?

@Gospelogian

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. None of us get absolutely everything right- but we should seek to understand the Bible in the most plain sense it can be taken and give God the glory!! It’s really hard to understand any other way verses like this: “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day.” ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭44‬ ‭ No man Can…means NO man Can…

I have a question: If you are not of the reformed theology, are you by default Arminian?

@tonimccoy9778

2 жыл бұрын

No..you can be neither.

@tsz5868

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, we don´t have a book called Arminius or Calvin or Aquinas or Augustine in our Bibles. Generations of Christians didn´t knew nothing about Calvin or Arminius.

@apilkey

2 жыл бұрын

No I’m a provisionist

@alanmunch5779

5 ай бұрын

Of course not. The vast majority of believers around the world and throughout history have not heard of these terms, and get on with being disciples of Christ, not following any -ism. In 35 years as a Christian, I don’t think I’ve met anyone who’s read the writings of Arminius. I’ve noticed that Calvinists tend to divide the Church into themselves versus Arminians, sometimes in quite a proud, cultic and disingenuous way.

Reformed theology also roots itself deeply in the 5 solas. It is absolutely possible to be reformed but not hold to the same doctrine of predestination and election. That's just one subset of reformed theology, and people forget that because they get so wrapped up in it. So please stop saying reformed vs arminian or what have you. Arminianism is reformed with a view on predestination that differs from most early reformers. Simple

The Promise SEED is Jesus Christ,( Genesis 12:1-3; 22:17,18; Genesis 3:15; Gal 4:4; 3:16; Hebrews 2:16), The Church is in Christ Jesus, and He established approximately A.D. 33,1/2. “ Upon this Rock I will build my Church and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it “ Thus saith the Builder of his church,(Matthew 16:18,19). The church is in the mind of the Almighty God to be built upon the ROCK ( The Holy One in the Godhead ( Acts 17:29; Rom 1:20; Col 2:9; cf., Mk 12:36; 2 Cor 13:14;; Gen 1:26; 11:7; Matthew 28:19), the Builder who is called our Savior and Redeemer to day, and the King of kings and Lord of lords ( 1 Timothy 6:15), To go to heaven only one door,( John 14:6; Acts 4:12; John 8:24),

Arminian cares about all those things as well I’m sure.it’s not only Calvinists that want to help the Christian community lol. You aren’t Arminian so how would you know how they continue to help spiritually guide their congregations?🙄

The greatest difference between Reformed and non-reformed theology is the biblical understanding of the importance of the Sovereignty of God in all things and, the unbiblical assumption of the power given to man's free will upon it. All of Scripture, not just a few verses determine the truth. Man centered theology has taken over the 'professing' church with the very first lie ever whispered to her.

@gordoncrawley5826

Жыл бұрын

The Arminian view is one step toward liberalism. Most all the churches that take a liberal stance see things from an Arminian view point. The Roman Catholic Church is Arminian, in that they depend on man's works for salvation. Just look at all the crazy apostate churches in the world, they are by far, Arminian. The Reformed view looks exclusively to Christ's work on the cross for salvation and he keeps the elect from all this deception, happening in today's churches.

It pains me to see fellow Christians arguing with one another. It reminds me of the time of 1Corinthians 1, where believers began to be divided because they started following men rather than Jesus. Lets be a follower of Christianity that started with Paul in Antioch. We dn't have to be like the Pharisees who think knows everything about the scripture.

@leefury7

2 жыл бұрын

Doctrine divides. There are both/and positions of interpretation but in the central doctrines, it is either/or. Truth is not relative.

@bigscarysteve

2 жыл бұрын

While I agree with you about not liking to see Christians arguing with each other, I could make an argument about you contradicting yourself when you say we should follow Jesus rather than men, then you turn around and say we should follow Paul. Please don't misunderstand me--I'm not saying that Paul's epistles aren't inspired or anything like that--but I am saying that I've seen a big difference between churches where the Gospels are interpreted according to Paul, and those where Paul is interpreted according to the Gospels.

@the_maskedtoaster844

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigscarysteve These are mostly harmless debates and will not matter in the end. Its okay and god to debate each other in such manner as long as we remember that we are all Christian and children of God for those who has placed their faith in Jesus

@bigscarysteve

2 жыл бұрын

@@the_maskedtoaster844 "Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen." (2nd Peter 3:14-18) You think these debates will not matter in the end? St. Peter here, under divine inspiration, warns that the unlearned and unstable wrest the scriptures to their own destruction, and he warns his readers not to do the same lest they suffer the same fate. I think it matters significantly.

@tsz5868

2 жыл бұрын

@@the_maskedtoaster844 Yep, sometimes what make Christianity differ from another religions is that we can argue about scriptures because scriptures are not the Incarnated Christ.

This was such a non-answer. The the question was title question is, "What is the difference between . . . " The title question, based on the lame interview (no need to drop 25 cent words--repeatedly) should have been, "Is Reformed Theology the most Biblical?"

@TimothyFish

2 жыл бұрын

I think the problem is that he doesn't really know what the "non-reformed" teach.

I gained no new information from this video. Nearly every denomination claims to be founded upon the Bible. As one who attended an Arminian-based seminary, I can tell you that the Arminians believe their theology to be Bible-based. My point is that, just telling me your theology is "Bible-based" tells me very little. It tells me you're not a Buddhist or Muslim or Daoist. (I do not hold to the Arminian view. Please don't respond to me with arguments on that topic. Thank you.)

@btfleming315

2 жыл бұрын

These are meant to be short little tidbits, but Ligonier and other ministries will have a lot of depth on that kind of question if you're interested in diving in.

@rubiks6

2 жыл бұрын

@@btfleming315 -Thank you for your response. I have enjoyed Ligonier Ministries a great deal but was disappointed when I watched this very short video absent of any real content. Blessings to you.

@charliek2557

2 жыл бұрын

One of the many reasons I became Catholic. Lord’s blessings~

@rubiks6

2 жыл бұрын

@@charliek2557 - Dude - The Roman Catholic Church is the most terrible, corrupt, false church because it doesn't follow the Bible at all. They are just making it up as they go. Jesus Christ is not dead. He is the only head of the Church. The Pope is antichrist. "This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of *_men."_* Matthew 15.8 - 9

@mtac99

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. "I'm a Calvinist because I believe the Bible," is probably the worst argument to make. Then, when I reference the five points or scriptures, queue, "You just don't understand Calvinism."

words, words, words. His lead-in remarks expand the controversy in all kinds of topics. But so-called "non-reformed theology" is no less interested in these things. This was not helpful.

Yeah. He should be humbler about that. But he isn’t.

In other words everyone before John Calvin had it wrong. For 1700 years everyone was wrong, then Calvin came along with a different opinion and now people worship him instead of Christ. Arrogance and piety is what drives a Calvinist. How about let's just preach the Word of God to everyone and leave man's opinions out of it. Tell others about Jesus Christ, His virgin birth, His sinless life, His death on the cross for our sins, His resurrection and that He is returning to set up His eternal Kingdom. Why Calvinist or Arminians or whatever think that it's important to argue over free will or election is beyond me and it's certainly tragic that these two groups feel it is necessary to ostracize and exclude people. Any gospel that makes exceptions in Salvation or condemns one group just because "God didn't pick them to be in the clubhouse" is preaching a false gospel, a heretical gospel and a Satanic gospel. R. C. Sprouls even said that it is possible that He deceived himself into thinking he was saved his whole life because he may find out in eternity that he was never one of the elect. What a miserable way to live. John MacArthur even said that if someone wants to know if they are one of the elect, to come forward and be saved. Sounds like we do have a choice doesn't it? Why can't we leave our egos out of it and just tell others about Jesus? 😔

@HearGodsWord

2 жыл бұрын

Not really because he didn't say anything new which hadn't been said before, for example, Calvin leaned heavily on Saint Augustine's writings.

@leefury7

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the Roman church with its assimilation of the pagan religions at the time of Constantine, pretty much destroyed the "Biblical" church. Origen/Augustinian allegoricalism added to it. Then down through the centuries, it placed its "traditions" authoritatively over the scriptures, In essence, the RCC is a post Israel pharisaic mish mash where Law is once again front and center and grace is subjugated.

@bigscarysteve

2 жыл бұрын

"How about let's just preach the Word of God to everyone and leave man's opinions out of it"? I'd like to know how you're going to do that with such a complex text. Even simple sentences are subject to interpretation. My advice is to lean on the Holy Spirit for the proper interpretation rather than your own opinion or some other man's opinion--but even that is easier said than done. Lots of people who think they're following the Holy Spirit are deceived and are following their own opinion or even following Satan. There are no easy answers out there!

@edwardelliott5756

2 жыл бұрын

Why so much anger? Please read the gospel of John 17th chapter. God chooses, not man.

@Qui_Gon_Jinn_76

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardelliott5756 not anger, frustration. God does tell us to seek Him. Hebrews 11:6 , Proverbs 8:17, Jeremiah 29:13, Psalm 14:2, Isaiah 55:6-7, Psalm 9:10, Acts 17:27 etc...I can do this all day with 100 more verses. We do have free will and we do have the ability and grace to choose. God also must choose to save us and John 6:37 proves that He will if we come to Him. Period. Anything else that is preached about us not having a free will or choice is ABSOLUTE HERESY AND BLASPHEMY!!!

It is true that Reformed theology came before "Arminianism" It evolved from the primarily philosophical system of Augustine, the so called "Doctor of the Catholic Church" During the four hundred year period BEFORE Augustine the teaching that prevailed was that of the Ante-Nicene fathers who taught libertarian free will and divine foreknowledge. Reformed theology came into being when Augustine combined elements of Gnostic Manichaeism - total divine unilateral determinism and human helplessness - and FOISTED this poisonous compound on the scriptures. It is natural that the corruption of in the Reformer's character should express itself in their actions. The character of Luther, Calvin and Zwingli was revealed in their willingness to put to death fellow the Anabaptists who were fellow evangelicals through beheading, drowning and burning them at the stake. Jesus said what we have done to the least of His brothers we have done it unto Him (Matthew 25:40). He does not make exceptions if we belong to certain systems of theology. The Apostle John wrote: "5 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that eternal life does not reside in a murderer.… ( 1 John 3:14)

@axelfoley1508

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting

He didn't really answer the question. I would say that the greatest difference between Reformed theology and non-reformed theology is that Reformed theology has a high regard for the teachings of the men who led the Protestant Reformation. Whereas non-reformed individuals are doing good if they can even name the guys who led the reformation, reformed individuals quote from their writings, frequently and may even have pictures of them hanging on their walls or on their T-shirts. Both groups claim to be "biblical" but the Reformed use the teachings of the reformers as their basis for claiming that they are biblical. This actually makes Reformed theology similar to Catholic doctrine, they just have a different set of "apostles" from which they get their doctrine from.

@choicemeatrandy6572

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry but this is a blatantly false equivalence. If youre not a Roman Catholic, it is vitally important to know why, and you can only do that if you understand what led to the protestant reformation in the first place. Propping up ignorance is unwise, every professing Christian ought to, some level, know what it means to be saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

@TimothyFish

2 жыл бұрын

@@choicemeatrandy6572, I could respond to that and say that if you are not a Baptist it is important to know why and you can only do that my understanding why Constantine wanted all of the churches to be ruled from Roman in the first place.

I am not sure why Christians need to put a name to everything. How about just straight up biblical theology?

@Gospelogian

Жыл бұрын

Because not everyone believes in biblical doctrine. And I have my own private opinion, that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism. Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel, if we do not preach justification by faith without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in his dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing, unchangeable, eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor, I think, can we preach the gospel, unless we base it upon the peculiar redemption which Christ made for his elect and chosen people; nor can I comprehend a gospel which lets saints fall away after they are called, and suffers the children of God to be burned in the fires of damnation, after having believed. Such a gospel I abhor. The gospel of the Bible is not such a gospel as that. We preach Christ and him crucified in a different fashion, and to all gainsayers we reply, ‘We have not so learned Christ.

I think GOD can do whatever HE wants with HIS sovereignty. I for one will not put ANY limits on GOD. What a joke!

@blackfalkon4189

2 жыл бұрын

Stalin could be in heaven & virgin Mary in hell for all we know

Abstract babble. Did not answer the question at all. "Reformed is Biblical and the other is not". So typical of Churchianity that obfuscates with layers of men's so-called wisdom rather than speak plainly. This is Nicolaitan speak. Obviously every point of doctrinal difference across denominations espouse that. Reform might be as stated, but the seeker is left with nothing to validate that.

The Reformed Church IGNORES the teachings of Jesus - plain and simple and doesn't care about His will anymore. Reformed people have their pet phrases of Paul and IGNORE him when he CLEARLY departs from Luther/Calvin/Zwingli. The only possible explanation for any of this is... Reformed people are conscience-resistant to reading the gospels

@oracleoftroy

2 жыл бұрын

Love the accusations without evidence, it really makes your post look unhinged instead of a thoughtful critique of the actual Reformed position or a well referenced Biblical alternative that makes more sense than the Reformed view.

@saludanite

2 жыл бұрын

@@oracleoftroy "Thoughtful critique!" "Without evidence!" Do YOU actually KNOW what Jesus commanded in the Gospels? Not if you attend a Reformed Church. So, consider THIS an opportunity to explore the topic. The most IGNORED person in the Reformed Church today is the man named Jesus. They cannot even speak His name; He is always referred to as "Christ." While it is TRUE that He IS the promised Messiah of the OT writings, you will seldom - if EVER - see mention of either Gospels or Acts references. It is ALWAYS His office, but NOT His name. Every effort is made to distance Jesus from His name and His commandments. All one has to do is to READ Reformed writings. I was shocked to even come to this conclusion. Don't BLAME me for "turning the lights" on. You can look through the comments HERE, and in ANY Reformed article. We will ALL give an account TO HIM for what we did in and with HIS name. Consider THIS an opportunity to make a change in an overwhelming FACT.

Reformed Theology is biblical.

@blackfalkon4189

2 жыл бұрын

ah but how do you know you're one of the predestined 'elect'? you could easily be in the other camp for all you know (and if it turns out you are, will you still accept God's will or will you rebel?)

@edwardelliott5756

2 жыл бұрын

@@blackfalkon4189 That applies to you too.

@blackfalkon4189

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardelliott5756 I'm not the calvinist

@edwardelliott5756

2 жыл бұрын

@@blackfalkon4189 It still applies to you since tomorrow you may lose your salvation since it depends on you as much as it does God.

@blackfalkon4189

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardelliott5756 and then I may regain it as I said I aint atheist/calvinist so I reject determinism from your point of view as a calvinist if you find out you're 'non-elect' then guess what: aint nothing you can do to change your status cause the script was written aeons ago

One is truest to scripture and the other does not.

It's unfortunate that Armenian theology is a mile wide and a mile long but only an inch deep. Their understanding of scriptures is shallow and not God focused nor does it provide a humble perspective of God's sovereignty.

@blackfalkon4189

2 жыл бұрын

ah but how do you know you're one of the predestined 'elect'? you could easily be in the other camp for all you know

@apilkey

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not an Arminian or an Armenian 🇦🇲 but what’s your definition of sovereignty.

As calvinists nations become more and more wicked I´ve been thinking what if they would become if some kind of arminianism like Aquinas or Wesley were taught in their churches.

Reformed theology bends scripture, distorts biblical teaching about God and salvation, and purports to be super-intellectual when in fact it is riddled with sophomoric pseudo arguments and outright inconsistencies. Other than that it's great.

@apilkey

2 жыл бұрын

Amen 🙏

Matthew 23 - Jesus is beginning the long "last words" to the apostles. He know that He will return from the grave, having purchase our redemption. He knows that the Holy Spirit will be sent to lead us for the ages. But He speaks about OUR relationships with each other and with the "authorities." So He says, "Observe, but do not do their works." "But you, do not be called Rabbi, for One is your teacher, the Christ, and YOU are all brethren." "Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven." "And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ." "But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant." "And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted." Then begin the terrible "woes" that He pronounces. Yes, He was talking about Jewish leaders, but the import carries through to the organized Church. Moses was "kept" for thousands of years, but "teachers and authorities" have God changing the meaning and import of the establishment of the Kingdom of God over mere decades, then centuries. But Jesus declared "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away." What is IMPORTANT is what JESUS SAYS is important. ALL of it.

You lost me.

The only section of theology that Reformed theological doctrine hasn't reformed is eschatology. It still largely propagates the Roman Catholic/Augustinian view, which employs the unbiblical hermeneutic of allegoricalism. (Origen). The early early church was millennial and documents as early as the 3rd and 4th C support pretribulation rapturism.

@carmensiekierke3579

2 жыл бұрын

Chiliasm was not dispensationalism. Chiliasm was rejected by the 5th century because the written sources were extra-biblical Jewish writings and anti-Christian. The secret rapture didn't exist before John Nelson Darby in the 1800's. Le,, the Belgic Confession specifically speaks against " the Jewish dream"........a utopia on this earth. The Reformed look forward to the new heavens and the new earth.

@bijbelgericht

2 жыл бұрын

Also, ecclesiology has seen very little biblical reform in the reformed movement

@leefury7

2 жыл бұрын

@@carmensiekierke3579 Sorry Carmen, but you need to take another look at church history. What happened in 4th C that changed everything? Hmmm? You apparently are just vomiting what you've been fed without actually researching historical facts. LOL You obviously haven't studied who taught Pretrib Rapture prior Darby. Even in the 1500's, a RCC monk wrote about it. But as I stated earlier, it might have been 2C but I'll grant the conservative estimate of 3C, where there are pretrib rapture writings by early church fathers only one generation away from the Apostles. I do hope you are a true Christian. I pray you will not be one of those who cry, "Lord Lord!"

@carmensiekierke3579

2 жыл бұрын

@@leefury7 Let's look at your comment. If I do not believe in the John Nelson Darby ( father of dispensationalism) pre-trib rapture, I am not a " true" Christian. Why is that your automatic conclusion? Chiliasm is not dispensationalism. What were the extra-biblical writings that were used by SOME early church fathers who believed in chiliasm?

@leefury7

2 жыл бұрын

@@carmensiekierke3579 Do your own research. I'm not going to do it for you. I have better things to do than go back over this old argument. As for my statement about you being a true believer, that is NOT tied to one's eschatological beliefs. It has more to do with a particular religious system which espouses what you are seemingly brandishing. Again, its well documented so do your own research. That Darby position has been debunked long ago.

Just because it involves much more than the rejection of Arminianism. does not make it correct or biblical.

leighton flowers downvoted 7 times

Imagination is God in man, no ones lost even if their evil the planet is school and why every thing repeats, the natural mind judges and hates, loves, fear, honest, liars, confessed, smart, prison, judge, law, killer, savers, ................same mind, you will become not able to judge anyone anymore when you wake unless you die in this life and return till you wake about who you are. No ones lost except being asleep in dark lite.

@w.m.woodward2833

2 жыл бұрын

You made absolutely no sense.

I will skip Godfrey from now on.