What is the Resolution of the Human Eye for Cinema? kzread.info/dash/bejne/g4qAs8qPeardlKw.html

@androwmurphy3108

Ай бұрын

What is the song in the background please ?

Finally! A reasonable, educated and intelligent answer to an often extremely foolishly answered question

@Sonnell

Ай бұрын

I think this answer is silly. And there is no such thing as the focal length of the human eye, especially not in connection to cameras. This completely disregards the image size we are looking at and the distance of it. And that human vision is very different anyways.

After shooting with 35mm, 50mm and 85mm lenses in my pursuit of finding my perfect focal length for my photography, I had some interesting findings. =50mm seems formal and more strict. And then I found 40mm. 40mm had a true, genuine, real, even a humble feel. I realized that there was something special about 40mm, and seeing this video it makes sense to me why!

@AngryApple

Ай бұрын

an this is why I just love my Ricoh GR3X. I just dont want another camera or focal length

@lol-bg4wh

Ай бұрын

U doing to much

@ProducedByChristo

29 күн бұрын

Full frame or apsc?

@Calgothits

6 күн бұрын

@@ProducedByChristoalways full frame, 40mm on apsc isn’t 40mm. And I hate the equivalent talk because it’s never equivalent lol. No 35mm on apsc does not equal a 56mm on full frame. It’s a 35mm cropped in and blown up, you still have 35mm distortion and everything else that comes with that particular field of view.

Once again. Is the answer to all questions 42 😂👀👀

@Gabriel-it5jy

Ай бұрын

❤

@reludennis

Ай бұрын

Ha ha....after millions of years of waiting....the answer is: 42

@flyingo

Ай бұрын

Yes! And.. don’t panic.

@dietmarfinster3176

Ай бұрын

The diagonal of my towel. Always ready.

@jd5787

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the fish!

Pentax would agree with you. They created the FA 43mm F1.9 limited back in the 1990's

@RyougiVector

Ай бұрын

It turns out the focal length of 43mm was a byproduct of lens design constraints Pentax imposed for the Three Amigos rather than to fit this fact that 43mm on a 135 format sensor corresponds to 1 radian. It's why the other two lenses have 77mm and 31mm as their focal lengths.

This is why my every day lens on a full frame camera is a 40mm and a 24mm on APS-C. When I put the camera up to my eye, what I see in the frame is pretty close to my generalized perception where I'm just taking in the world writ large without focusing or paying attention to any one thing. If I'm focusing or paying attention to something, closer to 70mm is about right, and 150+ feels like tunnel vision.

Nice video! Just one clarification: Oskar Barnack never designed lenses. It was Max Berek the genius behind the Leica glass. The 42mm for the UR-Leica was a microscope lens (Summar) that was chosen because it was already available for Barnack's proof of concept. However, they needed a much better lens for the enlargements that were needed to compete with the quality of the prints that were on the market then. The 50mm was easier to design and there were already many examples around to get inspiration from.

@wolfcrow

Ай бұрын

Max Berek is credited in the video.

This makes so much more sense to me. I've always felt like 28mm or wider is pretty decent at capturing an entire scene like a landscape sort of as I see it. And 50mm is closer to focusing on a detail or a face. Just saying 'this is the focal length' always seemed very silly to me. Thanks for the very detailed video, very educational.

@wolfcrow

Ай бұрын

You’re welcome!

I always argue we should not compare photography and human vision in terms of field of view / view angles, but we should compared in terms of perspective, i.e. how we perceive the distance / spacial relationships between the subject and it background surrounding it. That way what we called "normal" lens projects the prospective closest to how we understand the depth relationship in real world is making more sense to me.

@nickin

Ай бұрын

I make shows in large spaces round the world we often shoot reference images for the team who arnt on the early trips. The perspective relationship of buildings we might project on is extremely important for designing any sets etc. in large spaces with lots of depth the apparent size of objects always feels most natural to me when shooting near 50mm this really became clear when we were projecting on the Washington monument as there is so much space. When we used 48mm in camera and software our visualisations matched the real world relationships of scale. I’ve never really understood the focus on fov as our perception is so based on building images from many samples and who can really feel the edge of their vision without really focusing on it. How big things are in relationship to each other is how we really feel our place in the world.

@krectus

Ай бұрын

yeah I was waiting for this video to get to the perspective part and it just didn't, completely missed a major part of why we consider these normal human vision lenses.

@tor2919

Ай бұрын

Thank you, haha I threw myself into writing a comment about perspective and then found you comment. Perspective, a natural compression of objects relationship to each other in a 3D space is way more important than field of view for a natural look.

@cczeroX

26 күн бұрын

This is for me the most important point, mostly because it has a huge impact on photography and why photographs with big depth differences in the scene always look worse than what you see in real life. YOu can either capture only a very small part of it or the entire scene but with massively skewed spatial relationships. A good paper about this can be found googling "Natural Perspective", which is mostly aimed at rendering but gives some great examples by comparing paintings and photographs of the same scene and how different they look.

Out of the dozens of sources I've seen cover this topic this is by far the best. The effect of mental focus on your subject and it's effect on apparent subject size is typically ignored completely when covering this topic. I especially liked how you discussed there being one focal length that's closer to the human eye when you are broadly taking in a scene versus a scene where you are mentally focused on a subject, that has an immense impact on the apparent equivalent lens focal length. When I'm not focusing on anything in particular my field of vision is something close to around 18mm but the size of objects within that field of vision appear closer to how a lens around 60mm would make them appear. This simultaneous dual focal length is just not something a camera with a single lens and no brain can recreate so it makes sense to pick a focal range that is a good balance of fov and magnification and call lenses that fall within that range as "normal". Personal preference of fov vs magnification is going to affect what people think is more normal for them individually. I tend to lean toward fov as being more important when thinking about making a scene look more normal but I don't necessarily want subjects to appear too small in the frame so I like focal lengths in the 28-35mm range for representing normal, 50mm cuts off way to much of my peripheral vision to appear normal, even though subject size is closer to normal for me. If I were to average my fov and magnification preference I get 40mm as my average normal which is very close to the original Leica you mentioned. Konica made an excellent Hexanon 40mm f1.8 lens but I'm not sure if there are others.

I always thought that the "normal" focal lenght was something around 43mm because the diagonal of a full frame sensor is 43.27mm. But this video explains there is more about it. Very interesting, thank You!!

@ItsCjhoneycomb

Ай бұрын

This is actually correct. The diagonal of any sensor size will produce a normal* field of view.

In author Douglas Adams’s popular 1979 science-fiction novel The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, toward the end of the book, the supercomputer Deep Thought reveals that the answer to the “Great Question” of “Life, the Universe and Everything” is “forty-two.”

One of the best videos I've seen lately. Awesome work. I'm a doctor and I love photography. It was a double treat for me.!

In 1914, the Multi-Speed Company in the United States had a 35mm camera called the Simplex Multi-Exposure which carried a Bausch & Lomb 50 mm f/3.5 Tessar lens. While in Germany Oskar, reportedly had no clue that such a small-format camera was being advertised in the United States (the Tourist Multiple of Herbert & Huesgen premiered in 1914 to a U.S. population as well), 10 or 11 years before his accomplishments with Leica. Therefore, I don't know if back then, could the 50mm lens be a starting point or was the 42mm lens a debatable counter point? Excellent content & insight that you expressed here. I enjoyed it.

Years ago, when I worked in a camera shop, we used to reference 42-43mm as an "eyeball" normal, meaning the most used "normal" lenses (35mm and 50mm) were somewhere around 8mm wider or 7mm longer than that benchmark. I am currently shooting with a 2/50mm Zeiss Biogon on my rangefinder, which feels that it is really 47mm-48mm - a little wide from what I expected when compared to an old 50mm Dual Range Summicron. In use, I feel a little less constrained than I did with the 50mm. Great video - thanks!

When Kai W was at DigitalRev TV he said the human eye sees at 43mm and only Pentax makes that lens.

@firstletterofthealphabet7308

Ай бұрын

As this video suggests, there is nuance. Anyone who denies there is nuance in the field of science would be a fool.

Once upon a time I heard that "normal" is the diagonal of the sensor\film. So *for full frame it's 43mm* =) Multiply\divide by crop-factor to calculate it for bigger\smaller sensor\film formats. That easy.

@joachimrichter4765

Ай бұрын

The diagonal is important because it is not all about the angle of view but mainly you could consider the relation between foreground and background. A diagonal takes this into account, maybe. I am not an expert but this was my interpretation when I thought about it.

Finally someone went and did their research on this! I think it's simultaneously coincidental and intentional. Cameras are made by humans for humans to use to make things for other humans to enjoy. It just goes to show you how brilliant and intuitive the early engineers and photographers were even before the advanced technology of today.

Leica actually made a 40mm lens for the Leica CL in the early 1970’s. Rollei and Ricoh, among others, made 40mm lenses for their film point & shoot cameras.

Since the length of the human eye along its optical axis, from the front of the cornea to the retina is approx 24 mm, then I would suggest the focal length is 24mm when relaxed (i.e. focused on infinity), changing by distortion of the crystalline lens to a shorter focal length when focused on a closer object!

I love the way you calculated the different values. Good work

Wow, thank again, that’s wonderful! (And an amazing video! 🤩🙌). Something that often feels a little overlooked in these conversations is compression and distortion. I definitely can’t reproduce the bokeh & separation of a subject in my eye, say that a 160mm lens can (or even a 85 1.2mm lens can), and at the same time, my binocular vision seems to distort the world less at close distances than a 15mm at its minimum focus distance can. Understanding how we see I believe is essential to understand to be a good cinematographer, just as much as understanding how the camera ‘sees’ and how these two are very different - and the creative endeavours this allows. (Think of how much work goes in to lighting a scene to create even exposure and separation for camera which renders its world in 2D, and all of that is mostly not needed when you see the same scene simply with your own eyes 🧡 🎬 (obviously there are the opposites too where the camera absolutely can see what we can’t), makes me marvel at the wondrousness of our ability to see!🧡).

Excellent video for everyone specially for photographers.

Great video, held me captive. Following the math interspersed with stunning cinematic clip examples. Using a cupola photo that represents the diagram of the human eye was a treat.

@wolfcrow

Ай бұрын

Thank you!

You focus, pun intended, on the field of view: another thing to consider is the perspective or depth of field i.e. what is the relationship amongst objects in terms of their perceived distance one from another.

@barrygormley

Ай бұрын

This to me is the only thing that's relevant when comparing to what the eye actually sees. Weather the distance is compressed or extended. The lens that matches this closest is closest to reality. Field of view is secondary to representing reality in a frame as seen by the human eye.

@lucianoag999

Ай бұрын

Look at my definition in my comment above. That is what you are looking for.

@krectus

Ай бұрын

yeah this video completely misses the main point, that being perspective. That's really why these focal lengths are considered so close to our own eyes.

Really well presented info. Thanks for taking the time to pull that all together and share it so well.

The best assessment I saw. I like you described which focal length represents which aspect of our vision the best. It well corresponds with how we use a wide / 35 mm / 50 mm (or 42:) / portrait / tele in photography = how much of our focused or peripheral vision we use to perceive the image from details to environmental context. Well done.

I've been waiting years for this video. Thank you.

@wolfcrow

Ай бұрын

You're very welcome!

Thank you for this. I was thinking for a Long Time that the rule that 50mm represents human eye is wrong and that we can shift between several focal lengths. Thanks for giving me the scientific data for my thoughts ❤

Surveying the landscape of vintage photographic (not cinema) film cameras, I noticed an oddity. 50mm was considered the standard normal lens among 35mm film (i.e. small format, 135 Format) rangefinders and SLRs with interchangeable lenses. As soon as you moved outside of that category, and you start considering medium format cameras, and even fixed-lens small format cameras, the 50mm focal length fixation largely dissipates. A lot of them had 35mm or 40mm equivalent lenses. I mean for example, consider how many Olympus Trip cameras were produced with 40mm lenses! Personally, one of my most-used prime lenses is 28mm on my APS-C camera bodies, which, taking account of the crop factor, works out to… hmm… 42mm! (OK, 42.8mm if you want to really split hairs.)

@canderson1955

Ай бұрын

I am using a Viltrox 27mm on my Fuji so 40.5mm on FF. It seems pretty accurate and I love using it.

The focal length is the distance between the optical center of the lens and the image formed when the lens is focused on infinity. Normal Lens (also called a Standard Lens)-a lens with a focal length that is equal to the diagonal of the format. The diagonal of a 24x36mm film image is 43.267mm. The diagonal of an APS-C image is 28.3mm. The diagonal of a micro 4/3 image is 21.6mm.

This makes sense to me. Since the eyeball can't really change it's shape that much, the brain selectively takes in information from the area of the retina which is most appropriate for the situation. If you stood on a hill and looked out across the landscape without focusing on anything in particular, you are taking in a wide field of view which lacks detail. If you then catch the movement of a deer in that scene, your brain relies on the center portion of the retina to analyze the potential prey. So you "zoom" in on the deer, even though all you are doing is focusing the eye on the target and allowing the brain to take render a detailed image from all that information.

Awesome. One of my fave channels hands down.

42 is the logical answer, of course :) The edges beyond that lack detail. But we should take into account that our eyes are moving constantly. When we look at a landscape, we are stitching a panorama out of several "normal" shots.

I generally find the argument kinda weird to start with because a photo is nothing to a human until it is observed. How is the user going to observe an image? That matters a lot to how it, and the focal length used, is perceived. Imagine looking at a small print, 4x6 (10x15). On that size, a normal or telephoto shot looks more "real" to me. It is like having a tiny window to look through, where you only see a small FOV of the world through that window. At the same time, now imagine sitting in a huge cinema with a screen surrounding your vision. A telephoto image would look weird, while a wide angle image might look perfectly normal to me. The "normal" focal length should be one which would match the FOV of the final image. Obviously you can ignore that rule and do whatever you want, but i feel like if you want to match "a normal look", you should try to match the FOV of the image how it will be presented.

@lucianoag999

Ай бұрын

I agree. Natural focal length = picture distance / picture width x sensor width. I explain it in a comment.

@Orefield177

Ай бұрын

Yes exactly, this is my understanding as well. To take your example even further, imagine stretching the cinema screen all around you so that you are sitting inside a "cinema ball". Or to take a more normal example, imagine watching a scene in vr glasses. This is more similar to what we see with our eyes. Except in the real world you also have actual depth. Asking what focal length our eyes have in the way this video does becomes kind of strange. Not just because our eyes and brain are different to a camera. But mainly because we are watching a 360° world. In a similar way it would be strange to ask: What is a "normal" focal length of a 360-camera. You could (I think) theoretically (not practically) use any focal length you want for the lenses in a 360-camera and the resulting stitched image would have the same "depth compression" anyway. Simply because it is a 360° image viewed from "inside". But maybe I'm just complicating things. The main thing is, exactly as you've said, that there is no objective "normal" focal length. It depends on the size of the image and the viewing distance.

Do this experiment; Take a zoom lens on your camera and focus on an object in your room. Lets say a TV from 8 feet away. Put the camera away from your eyes and then put the camera back up to your eyes and continue to adjust the zoom until the magnification matches what you are seeing in the real world. In full frame terms it will probably be somewhere around 65mm-70mm(Lets say it's 67mm). The caveat is that the full frame obviously show a extreme cropped version of what you see in the real world since it's only full frame. If you have the 67mm on a medium format if shows more the the scene and then large format again even more at the same focal length. This is one of the reasons why I hate wider lens for most landscape shots. A 20mm lens on full frame has too much distortion and it doesn't match what I'm actually seeing and even 35mm is too tiny...the only thing the wider lens are doing is letting me see more of the scene at a cost. This is the major advantage of the bigger formats. Ansel Adams for example shot a lot of Hasselblad 6x6 with a 80mm lens but it allows you to see pretty wide at 6x6 compared to full frame. It's also one of the reasons I love Nolan IMAX movies. He's shooting a lot with 80mm lens and the look is distinct from everything else.

First of all, human vision is bi-focal (stereo-vision) with depth perception etc . Human field of view is defined not just by two eyeballs, but also human features as nose, eye sockets etc. So, our actual shape of fov is something like pilot helmet visor, for example, with very wide angle ( if not almost true 180, than at least 120 as mentioned, but it is hard to be exactly determined, since this varies from person to person. This could somehow relate to wide fish-eye lenses etc, but what we perceive as a sharp image with depth perception/focus etc, is finally related to something like 45 mm in leica format as noted, but than again, you can't really compare this directly. I think all this should be mentioned at the video.

Best video on this topic I've seen so far

Panasonic Leica DG Nocticoron 42.5mm F/1.2 fits perfectly. A fabulous portrait lens for MFT

Amazing video, thank you for sharing.

An additional nuance is that we have strong brain post-processing. For example, when we look at a small object in the distance, our brain essentially crops the frame and the image from a 200+mm lens can appear very natural. Also, our eyes can move quickly, and our brain can stitch shifted images into one. So landscapes shots with an ultra-wide lens can also appear natural

I watched the whole video, and I couldn't really understand it. Isn't there a big difference between "field of view" and "perspective" ?? I thought around the 50mm mark was the perspective of the human eye, obviously not the FOV. You can take a picture of somebody face at 15mm and 50mm, having the exact same FOV (taking the shot closer with the 15mm, and moving further back with the 50mm). Both pictures will have the same field of view, but the perspective will be radically different. Maybe I'm missing something here??? I found a good quote from a photography forum about this: "A 25mm lens at 10ft will give you the same field of view as a 50mm at 20ft, but the perspective will be different. The 25mm will give you a much wider view of the background behind the subject, whereas the 50mm will tend to slightly compress the foreground and background. If you were to then change to a 100mm lens at 40ft, you would again have the same field of view, but the perspective would change, and the backgrounds would be even more compressed"

@user-eh8jv2em2o

Ай бұрын

There's no such thing as the "perspective of the human eye." By moving further back with a 50mm lens, you don't achieve the same field of view (FOV) as with a 15mm lens. While you might capture the same objects, the shift in position inherently alters the composition. You can't change the FOV of the lens simply by moving. What you're overlooking is that the lens doesn't directly affect perspective; rather, it influences the cropping of what is seen through it. A lens serves as a window through which the camera perceives the world, and different focal lengths change the size of that window without altering the content seen inside. With a 15mm lens, you could achieve the same perspective and field of view as a 50mm lens shot from the same spot by simply performing a centered crop of the picture afterward. The primary noticeable difference would be the blurriness of the background.

I can't be the only one who backed up and watched at 0:21 seconds a few times for science of course.

@slam_down

Ай бұрын

bro, i had to scroll down so much to find another scientist in the comments 🤓

it's always the diagonal of the sensor/film which defines the so called Standard.. and it's always 43,3 in FF or 54,8 on a 44x33 Medium format... 21,63 on m43 sensors... and it always equals the same 43~ mm but it has nothing to do with the Human eye... we have two eyes... and there is a 3rd Dimension

@SolidBlueBlocks

Ай бұрын

Problem is: sensor diameter isn't always the thing you can measure across all aspect ratios. For example, the sensor of my Blackmagic pocket cinema camera 6k is wider, making it a 23.sth mm diameter. BUT the crop factor is around 1.558, and you won't get the 43mm with those measurements.

@bojangbg

Ай бұрын

@@SolidBlueBlocks now i took a short look on it... the diameter is 26,5mm and if i multiply it with 1.6 (1.558) yes... again the Magic number 🤭

That's why I love Pentax FA 43 so much.

Love your work man!

@wolfcrow

Ай бұрын

I appreciate that!

Thank you for not going to the click bait rout and getting to your point in the thumbnail. That alone made me sub. Interesting, well made video.

Great explanation of the physics here. Well done sir. Recently I travelled to our nations's capital and went crazy shooting with a standard zoom at specific focal lengths that can be bought as primes; 28, 35, 40 and 50mm. The idea was to document, capture interesting images and to understand my perception of a scene vs capture. Of course there are artistic/compositional and other reasons to choose a particular focal length, but in perception/capture terms when I reviewed the images, for me 40mm got it best.

Very good film, very informative, light on boring stuff, to the point. Thanks!

Really good and really informative. Thank you. FWIW the Hasselblad XCD 55V translates to a 35mm format 43mm lens.

@pablogacitua

Ай бұрын

And Fujifilm GF 55mm f1.7 as well👌🏽

Appreciate this. I’m relatively new to photo and found 35mm to be a relief but not quite there, and on the high end I don’t have the budget to figure out why my 135mm isn’t narrow enough, but 200mm photos online don’t do it for me either. I’ll have a better chance at finding my ideal lenses now.

I like the focal length of 40mm on my m43 Olympus camera, especially the Lumix 20mm F1.7 lens which has a 40mm with 4/3 aspect ratio.

I've often wondered. You give a good, concise explanation of the relevant elements. I've always felt, it was a bit less than 50mm. So, 42 is not far off my estimate. The framing is interesting too. Cheers.

Pentax FA 43mm F1.9 LIMITED makes more sense than ever then =)

Thank you so much, all of this makes perfect sense!

What I have found is that whenever I have a 40 or 50 mm equivalent lens in my camera and look at the viewfinder, what i see is equivalent to what I saw with my eyes. 40 a bit wide 50 a bit strict. I always thought the right answer to the human eye was something between these two focals. Thanks for the excellent video.

The binocular "frame" is where the fields of both eyes intersect, so it should be equivalent to a 12x24 frame (stretched vertically), rather than 24x12. Our eyes are spaced out horizontally, not vertically, so the binocular area should be almost as "tall" as the entire field of view, but relatively narrow. Also, "retina", not "rentina". Otherwise, interesting way to think of an eye as sort of an "all-in-one" lens because of retina resolution increasing towards the center.

Very cool. Thanks for the video

@wolfcrow

Ай бұрын

You’re welcome!

For me, there's a combination between sensor/emulsion size vs lens. And the answer is quite simple and not subjective. In a normal lens, when you look through the lens while keeping both eyes open, you should see no change in perspective, meaning the size relation between near and far objects. As a guide, you should be able to walk with no problem using the normal lens while viewing through the viewfinder, and then the lens, and you should feel no change at all between both eyes. The confusion starts by the fact that people use the same language for different things ("35mm format", or "35mm film") Full frame is one thing while Super 35 or cinema 35mm format is a different size. Hence, when looking through a stills photo camera the "normal lens" is around 80mm; in 35mm cinema film cameras is around 50mm. So it's not a "democratic" thing, but a real fact. Human vision is quite wider than what you can see through the lens, but as the purpose for this is to capture images as we see them, the whole idea is to be able to capture the relation between the things in front of the camera as we see them in relation to each other, in disregard of the full wide view that our brains render.

Ultimately, none of this even matters. Use the lens that makes sense for the situation you're in.

Wow, what a video!

@wolfcrow

Ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Wooooow superb video. More n more thanks sir n all teams ❤️💐🙏🎂❤️🙏.

My favorite Nikon zoom lens was 43-86. Of the fixed lens rangefinder cameras I have, only the Olympus SP has a 42mm lens. Great video, love your explanations about the eye in relation to focal lengths!

this explains a lot. ive always considered the argument of eyes to focal length is corner to corner and it felt about the same as an eq 18mm lens i used, hearing people say your vision is about 50mm really started to confuse me! very educational video

@krectus

Ай бұрын

actually this video completely misses the main point, that being the 50mm gives you the same perspective of human vision, as far as distance, compression of view goes, it doesn't give us the same field of view, but gives us the same perspective, where as 18mm flattens out the image and distorts it in a way our eyes do not.

Nice. I’m a Leica M user, and always appreciate great optical quality. And… my latest purchase, the Hasselblad 55V is 43mm in 35mm measurement… Perfect 😅

Very informative video.

I once had a 75mm on a range finder style vertically up to my eye and everything about 1-3m away lined up perfectly with my other eye, leaving no overlap. So I guess it really depends on how you focus your eye.

Excellent video 😊!

Thanks for breaking down this issue in such an easily digestible way! I always get annoyed when people claim that this or that focal length is how the human eye sees - when we obviously have a really, really wide field of view, but can also focus our attention to a part of that field of view. One thing that I was missing from the discussion (maybe something for a follow up video?) is the fact that perception of focal length changes with the size of the image we're seeing, or the distance respectively. Anecdotal evidence: when I first put a 35mm lens on my A7C and looked at the image through the abisally small EVF, it felt really unnatural and weirdly wide angle to me. Not so with other cameras. And when I put a 5.5" monitor on my camera, all of a sudden 35mm feels entirely different. When I view 35mm footage on my computer screen, it feels different yet again. And if I had the ability to stream an image directly into my brain, it would feel different yet again.

Years ago I was told 35mm. This was by a cinema projectionist who clained that films for the cimena were shot in 35mm as it gave a natural view for the cinema goer.

I've always wondered about this! I look in my 35mm and it feels wider than what I was looking at. My 50mm feels 'cropped' when I bring the camera to my eye. This explains a lot! It's a shame the 42mm (ish) aren't more common. I know they're (40mm) used in cinema, but definitely not common in consumer lenses. Thank you for discussing this!

@bwc1976

Ай бұрын

My 1970's era Olympus 35RC film rangefinder has a 42mm lens which I love, and Panasonic makes a great 20mm lens for Micro Four Thirds digital whose field of view is equivalent to 40mm on full frame.

My first 35mm camera was an Olympus 35 SP with a 42mm lens. I came to realize after many other cameras, that I liked to 42mm perspective on full frame. Unfortunately, not too many prime lenses in the 40-45mm range for full frame digital cameras.

@xmeda

Ай бұрын

Pentax FA43/1.9

Very interesting. Thank you.

@wolfcrow

Ай бұрын

Welcome!

A big thing to remember when talking about vision is how your brain perceives it. While the actual *Physical* focal length of the human eye is around 25mm, your brain take the stimulation from the cones and rods and maps it out and distorts it such that it looks to be closer to 50mm. Your vision is something your brain does a lot of heavy lifting for, like how it removes the hole in your vision where your optic nerve starts, or removing your nose when looking forward, or filling in the blanks of your periphery when you're not looking at something directly. A fun (and funny way) I found to really test out the weird things that happens to your vision when you push it to the extremes is this: Have someone that you're close to (spouse, partner, sibling, or close friend.) Close one of your eyes and, with your open eye, put your face right up against theirs with your eye centered on the very top part of where their nose starts. If you keep your center vision focused there but then try to focus on your peripheral vision, you'll notice that you can still actually see both their eyes and even past their head, but it almost looks like an extreme fish-eye effect. Your eye, even less than a half-inch away, can not only see someone's eyes and cheekbones but even past them as well. When you see do this you actually get to somewhat really perceive how wide your FOV truly is (more akin to the actual 25mm distance) but in normal day-to-day activities and with both eyes your brain reformats your vision seamlessly to look like that 49mm-73mm range. The question isn't "what is the focal length of the human eye?", its "What's the ***perceived*** focal length of human vision?"

@krectus

Ай бұрын

yep, this. This is the real info that should be in the video.

For me, the focal length that seems more pleasing to my eyes when it comes to film are: 35mm f/1.4 (Documentary and Romance or Comedy), 50mm f/1.8 (Action and Suspens) and 70mm f/2.0 (Emotion, Intensity or Exploring the interior of someone or something). And with each one, if I'm on a budget and I could have only one of them, I would use it to shoot an entire film with without any problem. (But a 24/28mm seems to wide and a 100/135mm seems to cropped to my eyes)

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For *Close to Far* (how far things are from each other and from the viewer), the 42mm is indeed closer to how human eye perceives distances. But not in terms of "how much of the scene" we see (field of view). If you hold your hand next to your head, your peripheral vision still captures it (almost fisheye field of view but not sharp). I would say the human eye is "an almost fisheye lens corrected like a 42mm for distance perception and distortion".

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Best natural feeling from the focal length I ever had was from EF-M 22mm f/2 on Canon´s APS-C, it was specifically designed lens for crop sensor.

This actually matches my recent observation that the 3x camera of the iPhone (equivalent to 72mm) very closely resembles the natural perspective of the eye when looking at a combination of near and far objects. Like looking out through a window from a bit of distance, with the window frame in view as well as the outside world. Cool and very informative video.

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When I look through an old film SLR where the viewfinder is designed to appear at 100% magnification, the image I get with a 50mm lens focused toward infinity matches/lines up with the image that I see with the other eye. 50mm, give or take, seems to produce the same compression and angular perspective as human vision.

It is all about the results of how a lens / camera see the world. The rendering of 50mm lens on the street makes for an easy composition and emphasis on a more narrow focus point. I have a Nikon 40mm lens, and find it perfect for street photography as it gathers in some of the surrounding area, like a 35mm, but without any distortions of a 35 or 28mm lens. It is a bit more focused view on your subject. The 50mm at times can work out better, should you need to take in something of interest across the street, and in travel shots, is pretty good compromise between wide and zoom. The 50mm is darn near impossible mess up in shooting composition, or going whacky with distortions, such as far edge, up close, or angled shots. I still use many different focal widths, with my 30mm being great when really in close, my new 40mm in most all cases, and longer lenses for tighter shots. The 28mm is neat, yet it can distort when shooting quickly, or simply not have the reach if needing to go much beyond 30 feet or so. It's all good! - Loren

5:37 i share this 'view' that we have different focal lengths depending on what we're looking at. from 20 to 60. makes sense why 35 is so popular.

One rule of thumb is that a “normal” lens would have a focal length equal to the diagonal of the sensor. In the case of full frame, that is about 43mm. If you use a camera with a different aspect ration, such as 4:3 medium format, it is not so obvious what the focal length equivalents should be. Using the relative diagonals is a compromise, and sometimes you may want equivalent width or equivalent height. My first 35mm camera had a fixed 45mm lens, so that looked normal to me out of habit and experience.

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This is a fascinating topic. I found your video very interesting. However, rather than making me think that there is a correct answer to what is the most accurate representation of the human eye(s) I came away thinking how there is no right answer, because the human eye, as you correctly pointed out, is so flexible and changing in relation to area of focus. When we look at a photo (or a painting) or a film, we are continually changing what we are looking at ... we look at what is in the foreground or the top left or bottom right ... whatever catches our attention. We aren't looking at it all at once or giving the same attention to all areas at the one time. Similarly in your film example we may be looking at the person's face or at the dominoes on the table. Next time we watch it we may choose to focus on something different. So choosing a lens that zooms in on only the dominoes or shows the whole village rather than the table isn't right or wrong, it's just a choice. 🙂

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It's 43.27mm which is the diagonal of a full frame sensor, as the eye is a sphere it roughly approximates the relationship between flange distance and focal length of the eye ball

With this in mind, I am imagining what a video would look like by recording with 4 cameras with different lens and filter settings and editing the videos together in concentric circles; most focused at the center, and least focused and most distorted on the outside.

I did an experiment with a 20 to 70mm zoom lens where i carefully observed a street scene without focusing on any particular part. So just look straight ahead and noticing what was clearly in focus without moving my eyes around. I thought i was going to end up with 50mm as that is what i had been told for years was the normal vision. But for me the closest was somewhere in the range of 30 to 35mm. I still find 35mm the most normal looking focal length...but i also wonder if thats just years of looking at newspaper photographs growing up

My preferred measurement and comparison of camera focal length vs the human eye is the size and distance objects appear in the foreground vs the background. As you know, wider lenses cause objects in the background to appear smaller and farther away compared to the object in the foreground, and vice versa with telephoto lenses. Using this definition, what focal length is most similar to the human eye? I believe the answer is about 42-50mm.

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There's no focal length that is most similar to the eye. When we're scanning a wide scene, our eyes are effectively taking in a broader view, akin to a shorter focal length. This wider perspective allows us to perceive more of the surrounding environment, similar to how a wide-angle lens (much wider than 42mm) captures a broad field of view in photography. Conversely, when we're focusing intently on a specific object or detail, our eyes effectively "zoom in," narrowing our field of view to concentrate on that point of interest. This narrowed focus mimics the effect of a longer focal length (much longer than 50mm), isolating the subject and emphasizing its details, much like a telephoto lens in photography. The breadth of our visual experiences varies greatly depending on factors such as our surroundings, what we're focusing on, and our individual attentional focus. Therefore, it's not appropriate to generalize our visual perception to fit within a specific focal length range like 42-50mm.

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@@wolfcrow Going fishing for fast aperture 40mm Nikkor lenses now.

42mm field of view is a 28mm lens on an APS-C camera. Compact film cameras often came with a 38mm lens. Any lens in that region offers a very neutral perspective, that is easy to previsualise.

To have a same perspective as human eye lens needs to achieve 1x magnification. Magnification = focal length / exit pupil. Exit pupil is give or take equal to the sensor diagonal lens is made for... in case of full frame ( 36 x 24 mm ) diagonal is d = √( 24^2 + 36^2) = 43.2mm 1 = focal length / 43.2 -> focal length = 1 * 43.2 = 43.2mm Meaning in theory with full frame lens to achieve 1x magnification would need to have a focal length of 43.2mm. In reality exit pupils are larger, to limit vignetting... how much depends on a specific lens, more expensive the lens... less it vignettes because they made the exit pupil larger.

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Also... this only talks about perspective not the actual field of view. Humans have huge field of view because the image we see is formed in our brains and it has very little to do what the retina actually sees at given point in time. We have two eyes our brain uses to construct 3D vision. That's why we have relatively wide field of view compared what 50mm or even 35mm lens has.

Leica actually made a 40mm summicron C for the CL cameras. It’s M mount and quite affordable. Not may people use it because no M camera has the 40mm viewfinder lines.