Thanks Dr Grande. Having been emotionally devoured and psychologically eviscerated over a long period by precisely a dark tetrad personality this video supports how the 4th dimension was present to the threshold of clinical in my situation. The gleeful pleasure she derived and the protracted patience to willfully exacerbate suffering over an extended duration was so extraordinary I remain a nervous wreck 5 years post abandonment. I stopped actively researching the root cause of my harrowing journey a couple of years ago but still appreciate your channel and videos

Thanks for an excellent comparative analysis of the Dark Triad and Dark Tetrad 🙏 The content on this channel is simply wonderful: difficult topics clearly and rationally defined.

@qiuwbr091

4 жыл бұрын

Narcissistic Abuse Rehab - It can definitely change a person’s life. It’s not always possible to avoid emotionally unwell people. But, it’s also not necessary to think of yourself as bad to recognize and adjust your security needs when you identify them.

@IMWeira

Жыл бұрын

Narcissist abuse rehab. Exactly right. Lucid information without the drama.

sounds like the name of some corny cartoon villain group. _The evil Dark Tetrad and the equally evil Dark Triad are trying to take over our planet. We need stop them, heroes!_ *In all seriousness, another great video. And another new term I’ve learned. I give my thanks.*

@illyillyill

4 жыл бұрын

"The evil Dark Tetrad and the equally evil Dark Triad are trying to take over our planet. We need stop them, heroes!" haha. Well..... yes, yes we do.

@gypsy-nr9zd

4 жыл бұрын

ILLAngel101 Well by all means. Do what you gotta do lol

@gypsy-nr9zd

4 жыл бұрын

ILLAngel101 Hilary Clinton is definitely in it. Lol everyone disappears around her and the other Clintiesss. but she’s the mastermind alright. Funny how the moronic mainstream public don’t connect the blatantly obvious dots together.

@qiuwbr091

4 жыл бұрын

Not to quash your fun but wish I had magical super powers around so much jealous hatred.

@gypsy-nr9zd

4 жыл бұрын

Maturity is earned umm... what? lol

Wow.....I know that I've heard you explain this in different videos, but when you put this together in this way, the proverbial lights came on ! Thank you again for bringing this together and helping to further my understanding of my ex narcissist monster.....and this entire topic. 😊

Trapped with a dark tetrad for 25 years. When you've lived in the laboratory cage, you WILL recognise a rat.

@kevinkascolinkeithtimghera4305

2 жыл бұрын

@@WarriorHitomi Not entirely. From general people, yes. From tech guys and police? No. What's your point?

I am realizing that people with little impulse control really can despise people with good impulse control. It’s always on their minds. It’s subconscious as well as conscious. Dr. Todd has really taught me how important it is to be more careful. I am very patient. My Grandparents who I visited often as a child were from countries where patience is a very common virtue. But criminals watch people like us. They know we probably store or save things they can’t. I don’t mean hoard. I just mean save or care for.

Thank you. I learned something about a topic I didn't know about.

@venzullazulla5558

4 жыл бұрын

It's frightening that one exist. I've never heard of a person personally.

really appreciate this info Todd, I don't think anyone has ever explained it better, thank you

Great presentation, really helped me understand the sub clinical clustering in some personalities of: psychopathy (no emotive empathy), sadism (enjoys the pain they inflict on others), narcissism (entitlement & envy), Machiavellianism (calculated planning). Certainly my ex exhibited these traits. That's a long story.

That is pretty much on the nose about this. And I do claim having meet someone who fits this dark tetrad without a doubt, and pretty creepy creatures among other thing. Glad that they are so few and not the norm.

Excellent channel. I am a psych nurse and this is great to watch as it keeps my skills up. Thank you.

I find these videos very interesting and informative. This has become one of my farite channels. Thanks, doc.

Really informative and helpful. Love the German compound words

Very interesting Dr Grande. Many thanks!

Very interesting topic . Thank you Dr Grande !💮💛

BRILLIANT PRESENTATION. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 Detailed Explaination !

Fascinating! Thank you. Can you do one on the dark triad and cluster A personality disorders ?

@lightoflife7795

4 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/nKmc09l-lpvRg7w.html

@kathrinjohnson2582

4 жыл бұрын

@@lightoflife7795 light of life thank you. I tend to think paranoid personality has more to do with psychopathy than the other or even antisocial . I wonder if this is under reported because paranoid ppl don't trust therapist. Just me thinking lol

@nancyayers6355

3 жыл бұрын

I listened to this video, and heard you say that psychos with sadism set up situations that cause "extreme enjoyment" from causing or watching extreme physical and/or emotional suffering in others! I don't seem to be able to quite believe that such people are real, that they actually EXIST(!) My own personality is pretty sensitive to any kinds of pain, when I suffer it's always so hard to bear, that it just seems impossible to think that there ARE those who get some type of SICK KICK out of seeing or causing it!!

@jasnakrizanic2751

3 жыл бұрын

@@nancyayers6355 If you have power and dark triad or tetrad, it‘s easier to turn the traits into behaviour. Two historical examples-impossible to diagnose, just speculating-would be Elizabeth (Eržebet) Bathory and de Giles; their parentage and wealth gave them the chance to abuse and if they weren’t psychotic, the severe personality disorders could explain their destructive behaviours. But we can just speculate.☺

I fall within cluster b personality disorders, and enjoy hearing your input.

@cherylpage6653

4 жыл бұрын

That's horrible!!! Make sure u take ur meds so u don't ever hurt someone!!!

@cameronreekie6519

4 жыл бұрын

Cheryl Page for goodness sake, it’s not like people chose to have disorders!

@cherylpage6653

4 жыл бұрын

@@cameronreekie6519 I never said they did!!

@cameronreekie6519

4 жыл бұрын

Cheryl Page that’s how your answer came across tho! Just be grateful I’m not a cluster b person, my answer would have been different... a lot different!!

@cherylpage6653

4 жыл бұрын

@@cameronreekie6519 well I watched a 20/20 special on TV one time where a man who had schizophrenia I believe was his disorder and the special was concerning people with disordersand them not taking their meds regularly and the hospital's pushing them out too soon and them not getting the help that they need so anyway as The story goes he knew he was going to hurt somebody that day and he went to the subway station wherever he livedany ended up pushing a precious innocent school teacher in front of a oncomingsubway train and killed her it was all over the news all over the national news so that was my point! So I don't care if you are a cluster a b c d e f -or- g personality whatever that means, u need to take ur meds and demand help from medical professionals! so I'm not concerned if you were a cluster B personality or whatever and your answer would have been different because my answer back at you would have been a lot different too!!!!

As you for sure know, university lectures can sometimes be a little superficial or even off-putting. Thanks for breathing some life into my requirements.

Dark Tetrad sounds like a videogame boss enemy.

@user-ec3rm9wr1n

2 ай бұрын

😞 tired...

@eldarhighelfhealermiriella7653

2 ай бұрын

@@user-ec3rm9wr1n Take a nap? 😟

@user-ec3rm9wr1n

2 ай бұрын

@@eldarhighelfhealermiriella7653 hahah no naps it's nightmare

You are spot on

Another great video! I have two questions to suggest this time. One is: What is your opinion about the correlation of deep engagement with philosophy and personality traits and of (positive and negative) effects of such engagement on mental health (I ask this as a doctoral student of philosophy). The second is: Do you have an opinion on the effect that reading super hero comics and watching super hero movies have on developing healthy character traits and on mental health overall? I think both passions had a very positive role in my life but I am very interested in hearing your perspective.

@Wezzy92

4 жыл бұрын

I like this question it's similar to my question. I just ask his opinion on actresses and actors and multiple personality or split personality but I ask for his personal opinion more than a professional and right answer. Only because even though I'm 26 he might be abit older I'm stay home person he is a worker I have some knowledge he has expertise in the field he does. the fact entertainment existed in our lives and our parents and grandparents and great grandparents etc entertainment exist no matter if we seen or hear or read it. it's been that long that it could be what I think is right even if I like it or had terrible experiences within my life. So I'm curious to hear is answer and I hope he answers your. Keep up the great work and can't wait till you graduate future Dr.😎

@storyteller0111

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

That's so interesting! !! I was wondering why everyone wasn't talking chris brown but they were talking about r Kelly .... thanks so much for explaining the sadism types

Frightening

Consider yourself happy, if you never get to know or involved with such a person! Probably you will only in intimate relationships discover or be able to see this behaviours. Recipe for inevitable harm and disaster. RUN!

@marlanaferro1558

Жыл бұрын

Don't run, just get in your car and drive as fast and as far away as you can!

Excellent!!!!!

Excellent. Tech sector is filled with managers like this all the way to the top. At lest in Finland.

Your pronunciation of “Schadenfreude” is adorable^^

The person I knew could be sadistic, but not psychopathic. I got this from the idea that psychopaths won't go to great lengths to carry out their plan, but want easier victims.

@inthedms82

4 жыл бұрын

Erin no psychopaths do take a lot of planning out they aren’t reckless or impulsive like sociopaths

@cdorothy444

3 жыл бұрын

@@inthedms82 there are psychopath type one who plans and type two who dont

Interesting, thank you very much, Dr. Grande. As far as the counseling is concerned, I am extremely sceptical, too. Accepting the advice given by another person means that one has to accept a certain authority over his/her own person. One must be capable to submit at least partially to the thinking of another individual. Maybe this type of person is petending/acting as if they do so, but are they really able to do so? Admitting to need counseling is also a threat o their vanity, their ego, I guess. Also they have to open up about their feelings, which weakens their perceived power, why should they do this? For them this is counterproductive. Their personality is to weak to be rational in a way it is underlying counseling psychology. Their are only capable for a type of "economical", machiavellinism kind of rationality, I think. But I might be wrong.

Very interesting video, Dr. Grande. I struggle a little bit separating Sadism from the other traits if only because I have difficulty envisioning someone ranking highly on the Dark Triad traits that doesn't have sadism as a component. As you mentioned, psychopathy in particular. In essence, what would it take for a highly sadistic person to NOT also rank highly in psychopathy? I understand that by definition it's theoretically possible but just how realistic is this?

@kathrinjohnson2582

4 жыл бұрын

Someone could be a narcissist and sadistic but not a psychopath.

@GreatRegression

4 жыл бұрын

@@kathrinjohnson2582 Absolutely. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the devalue and discard steps in the cycle are inherently sadistic. Similarly, Machiavellian types are typically very sadistic. They will go well out of their way to crush anyone they see as a threat, all while taking great pride in their extremely cruel work. My point being that I'm not sure Sadism is a distinct feature from the other Dark Triad traits but rather a key component of all of them.

@aprilthetwentyfirst482

4 жыл бұрын

@@GreatRegression isn't sadism especially connected with sexuality? Not to be taken for some 'mere' Schadenfreude, I mean. Beyond that, I'm wondering if all 4 dark traits don't all connect 'in some way' (including shades of intensity... and greed) with an experience of pleasure at the sight of the victims'helplessness...

@GreatRegression

4 жыл бұрын

@@aprilthetwentyfirst482 That would be a great topic for a video from Dr. Grande! There does seem to be some connection to sexuality. From own my personal experience, the most sadistic person that I ever met, a Malignant Narcissist, really did seem to get sexual pleasure out of hurting her targets. It was quite a sight to see. That oddly seductive yet scary reptilian smirk is hard to forget! It's real! Think Hannibal Lector. There's very much a predator/prey angle to all of this as well. I agree that these behaviors and constructs do connect in some way. It appears that quite a few in the mental health field see it that way too. Many view the Cluster B disorders as more of a spectrum due to the very high degree of comorbidity among these disorders.

@aprilthetwentyfirst482

4 жыл бұрын

@@GreatRegression well, all 'this' IS about predators stalking/hunting preys, isn't it? Human preys and often animals too, as life sadly taught me. Comorbidity among 'cluster B' traits/personality disorders is so likely in effect. BTW, "quite a sight to see"? Well, mmmh... This is so sad and horrific. One only wishes to NEVER EVER happen to meet such people, who are as toxic as toxic may be.

I know this is off topic but how do you feel about lsd being a treatment for deep depression? Is the risk (MK Ultra reboot) outweigh the reward (remission).

Most in senior management job roles is what you have described.

What causes this?

@kathrinjohnson2582

4 жыл бұрын

Great question

@karo1564

4 жыл бұрын

Nature & nurture is believed

@venzullazulla5558

4 жыл бұрын

@@karo1564 I've taken several psychology courses and I've never heard of these behaviors, not even narcissistic and psychopaths

Can you do a video about people who are twice exceptional? I have a verbal reasoning score of 147 yet my remaining subtest scores are very low (around 70-90) so I would love to learn more about the topic of IQ varience within individuals.

Thankyou for teaching me, you could say I've been a Counsellor for all the mentally ill ppl I've met in my life..I think just by talking to them and recognising their mental disability,(cause+effect) I've actually helped them ..🤔😇which makes me feel quite astounded, at least all my suffering was not in vain.....but Tbh I JUST CANT DO IT ANYMORE, (1) THE LOW PAY IS JUST NOT WORTH MY PRICELESS HEALING+the draining,stress etc this job has..

Also...sorry if You did and I missed a vid, can You give me, please, link to such topic: *PSYCHOPATH SUFFERING* ? As all I see is doing psychopaths *MONSTERS* and, through CAN, they are mostly suffering themselves...right? Like can lack of stimulation cause epilepsy with psychopaths? Can their narcissism be part of denial? Can psychopaths be mentally ill, like get *different than psychopathy itself* mental issue? Can they *SUFFER* from social inability at YOUNG AGE(which adds to their antisocial /Factor 2 traits)? I would love to know *expert opinion in such points* .

So with this added element of sadism, would that not be covered by the concept of the malignant narcissist?

@illyillyill

4 жыл бұрын

Yes and No. It's a very fine line, and it really depends how on you personally feel about it. A Malignant narcissist will do ANYTHING to gain attention, admiration, loyalty or to make themselves "feel better" aka boosts their self esteem. etc. A Malignant Narcissist WILL cause you pain IF it makes them feel, or gives them those specific things. Very similar to a psychopath. That's why the malignant is in the term. A "psychopathic narcissist". A sadist obviously causes pain because it makes them feel pleasure. A Malignant narcissist might feel more of a relief, than a pleasure IMO. However ....... Pain is pain regardless of how they are thinking.

@if-not-now

4 жыл бұрын

He points out in the video these are SUBclinical personality traits. Narcissism as a personality trait included in the Dark Triad is similar but not the same thing as NPD associated with theoretical malignant narcissism

@Kreln1221

4 жыл бұрын

@@if-not-now It's just that I thought that I understood the malignant aspect of malignant narcissism was caused by the addition of a sadistic component to narcissism.

@if-not-now

4 жыл бұрын

@John Wright it is, along with antisocial traits, but when we’re talking about malignant narcissism we’re talking about sadism with ‘narcissistic personality disorder.’ When we’re talking about the Dark Tetrad were talking about ‘trait narcissism’ with sadism. I hope that clears things up a bit; one is a personality disorder in psychiatry the other is a trait we can measure in personality psychology

@lisbethbird8268

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly

Hm. Very interesting indeed. Not sure but i feel like i have a tendency for Machiavellianism (which i try to keep in check but it bothers me cuz sometimes i can't do it) and a tendency to enjoy creating sadistic fantasies not only in my had but also in the had of others which most people find to be creepy, although it might still be humour for others. What do you think i should do with that? I never had actual therapy.

Dr Grande; Why do self insights lead some people into depression? I think- not positive - that I now understand what denial means. It’s a self protection mechanism so they don’t look at other facts about themselves, right or not? I’m not saying I’ve never been in denial or that I am always critical of those who are. I’m trying to get a definite understanding of the complexity of the term so I can sort through life and situations.

Can you please do a video on CPTSD? Thanks for your consideration.

I’ve just made a video talking about how the character of Neegan from ‘The Walking Dead’ TV series has the Dark Tetrad traits. I’m going to add a link on it to your video so my viewers can source this for further information

Dr. Grande, have you ever talked about Conduct Disorder? I ran across some blogs today that said "very little data exists on it", but it can lead to ASPD. I would love to hear your take on it. Also the book/film "We need to talk about Kevin". That was so disturbing and I am unsure if a child like that could exist from birth? I mean anything is possible but is this like "Dexter"? An amalgamation of different PDs or just choosing certain characteristics of different PDs and mashing them together to make a "sympathetic" serial killer..which is a crazy sentence to type but that is basically what Dexter was. Not true with Kevin, he was definitely not a sympathetic character, although his mother was, at least to me. But his behavior (or conduct disorder?) with only the mother from basically, birth even possible? Is this a viewpoint thing we are only seeing due to the way the story is presented to us? After all, it's fiction and drama but CD and ASPD do exist. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

Get revenge in romantic situations, what does that mean exactly? Is it equivalent to the grand finale some narcs do? My ex had something insane planned for me. Thank God, the universe and my guardian angel who protected me and foiled her plan, but it was something designed to really destroy me physiologically

I’d be interested in learning more about Machiavellianism. Like where do people with it show up? Is there an increase in Machiavellian traits in the prison population? What sorts of things might a Machiavellian do that might hurt others and themselves?

@jordydrop

4 жыл бұрын

It's less common in prison relative to psychopathy. Common Machiavellian schemes - pyramid scheme, game of thrones, pick up artists. This is my impression at least.

Dr. Grande thanks for explaining well how Analog signs may appear in results after being asked to treat someone with dark triad traits in an institution or whatever. I do have a question with an answer that could be useful for citizens when going to their government representative with their own concerns while their own efforts to get justice which included going for counselling after say losing their job or whatever while following all of the recommendations coming from their physicians that at the time seemed practical when none of their efforts showed any promise in getting any real justice for their children for example. Why isn't going to support groups and seeking help seen by all members of the general public as a sign of character instead of only ever a sign of weakness or that there must be in the person more than the average number of human flaws present after that? For example, isn't it true that when a person in feeling bitter and resentful after a major set back in life while continuing to believe that they themselves will never would need counselling could end up feeling that have the right to dwell there in that bitterness and in that kind of case then having Schadenfreude along with continuing to have to pick up the pieces of their own life without much more help than anyone else ever gets in the same kind of situation is going to be inevitable for them?

Hi Dr. Todd could you explain the pros and cons of anti depressants? I have a question I'm very much would like to hear what you have to say. People who are actors and actresses what is a fine line to pretend of different characters and be ok but someone who has a multiple personality disorder or split personality not ok; I know one is to pretend, acting and salesperson and the other is altered reality that someone expresses emotions through characters of their areas of their personality throughout their life or time in their life. Pretending wasn't about entertainment it started with money or story telling. Why is it ok to pretend like different characters yet it was still apart of real life and you give up your personal space for a character and other people but why is it not accepted for someone to have multiple personalities but it's ok to pretend like someone else, be good at it and make people like it then go to sleep. I'm not saying it's ok to have split personality cause it can effect your everyday life but why is ok when it's not ok when both groups are impacted good or bad. I think I would like your opinion more than a professional answer or a right answer. Is it ok to talk about this?

If I remember correctly Dr. Delroy Paulus wrote a lot about it

The abuser that I dealt with was extremely vengeful. She didn't go out and hurt folks for shits and giggles. But if she perceived a slight, she would terminator style not rest until she felt she utterly destroyed you. I like that there are dimensions being added to this. I really feel the malignant should have its own category in personality disorders. It wouldn't do any good for the malignant, as they are incapable of getting better and have no intention to. However I feel it would go a long way to validate victims for the APA to explicitly acknowledge this mode of personality.

Someone with dark tetrad traits cant stay long out of prison i would say.. you cant be engaged in everyday sadism and not end up locked up.. i think...

@lisbethbird8268

4 жыл бұрын

No but that's the point of calling them " subclinical". These are the narcopaths that can manage to stay under the radar of they're smart. Which they can be. Their machinations and manipulation is designed to be covert.

@malabuha

4 жыл бұрын

@@lisbethbird8268 hey Lisabeth :) i was actually left stunned when i heared of the fourth trait, the everyday sadist?..trying to absorb the idea that there is such a thing as an everyday sadism.. i felt like i live in a LaLa Land.. haha so i tried to put that idea into a perspective of someone who's like that all the time. But knowing that people tend to become confident and expansive in their behaviour if not stopped, i guessed one cant behave like that for long before he or she does something that gets them behind the bars.. it was just a thought.. I see what you mean.. i didnt take into consideration the skill of manipulation, intelligence ... but Lisbeth, who in their right mind would submit themselves to sadistic dominance? Even if it's a parent that is being sadistic and manipulative, a kid finds the ways to dance around them, and avoid being a target. That is, if it's on a small scale. If the parent goes overboard, social services and authorities step in.. locking the sadist away.. i agree with you now, taking into consideration everything you mentioned, some of the dark personalities do skid under the radar, but eventually they have to cross the line, that's just law of human nature. Maybe i do live in a perfect world hey? TY Lis for expanding it .. good objection

@lisbethbird8268

4 жыл бұрын

Totally get what you're saying, thanks. I mean trouble with violating the law is one of the official DSM diagnostic checklist for anti-social personality disorder...(clinical diagnosis) and psychopathy. But there are infinite ways for a dark tetrad person to get their sadistic jollies without breaking the law. I had a friend who was a master at gaslighting. She kept at it till I went insane....PTSD. She said for years that she couldn't help it because of her ADHD. Total lie. All deliberate and sadistic...I just never saw it until I saw the freaking delight all over her face the night my mind just snapped from trying to understand her blatant bullshit. Bullshitting and pestering and poking and provoking and verbally torturing your "best friend" isn't a crime. Next week marks one year lost since that realization. Finally getting better. Was better back in February, when she decided time to hoover, and though didn't even speak to her, the whole trauma stress started right up all over again. She definitely gets pleasure and purpose from inflicting pain and suffering. It had been an issue between us for years but I had always wanted to believe her, that she didn't mean to hurt. Sorry for TMI. Was watching "Gaslighting 101" on Permission to Exist channel (spot on, highly recommended) when your comment notice came. Have a super evening. (The only reason I was even thinking about that Bossytits b - word is bc my cats are all suffering bad with fleas from a yard infestation. Last year this happened too, though not as bad. When I told her about it....She laughed. I'll be dealing with this for a month. One guy is allergic and needs the vet. He's in pain. She laughed!) Too typical....can you say "no empathy whatsoever" ?

@malabuha

4 жыл бұрын

@@lisbethbird8268:) i have trouble understanding the proffesional terminology.. i'm trying to catch up, though :) from what we both said, i see why we differ in opinion. You sound like you have a handle on these subjects, i really dont.. but i took the liberty to voice my opinion and i appreciate your every input. I also have trouble spotting these dark traits in people, i dont think i ever was a victim of someone's bad behaviour.. when i feel uncomfortable around someone, i just check out. No explanations, no accusations, no hard feelings.. i just go on my merry way haha.. and eventually they think i'm crazy and i'm off the hook.. that's probably not nice of me but could be the reason why i cant think of one person who i would have issues with... sometimes you cant choose people you're connecting with, like at work.. same thing there.. you hang out together, but you know what to expect from who and you adapt the appropriate attitude.. Well i do have gems i could tell you, from work.. i suppose we all do.. it was definitely great i had a chance to hear your angle on this topic, it revealed lots for me.. i need more input on this, definitely, and i'm really interested in it. Mostly bc each topic leaves me dumbfounded and i get to take a more sober look at things. I'm like Alice in Wonderland Haha see you Lis :)

@lisbethbird8268

4 жыл бұрын

I'd say you're smart and lucky. Never will I discount my intuition again. Disordered people like my friend can keep on pushing the boundary and testing how far they can go without making you walk. I knew every time we spent time together that something seemed a little fake, that she stressed me out. I figured I could handle it, after all I'm not perfect either. But I was wrong. G'day and be safe!

What would be the Psychiatrist’s role in treating personality disorders?

Is a bit of sadism really a reason for counciling? Doesn't everyone enjoy suffering to some degree?

Hi, *Doc* ! Good vid today! I think...can TRUE psychopath have Dark Tetrad? As, through psychopath probably *ARE* sadists, when *it is part of their game* , pushing and checking for reactions of subject...true psychopath(especially if factor 2 is low) don't really care for others 'suffering', if it is not part of their game. They start, entering Machiavellian trait, when it is about THEIR game. If they hold strings and can play with dolls in their dollhouse. If sadistic traits is about hurting almost-mindlessly, for pleasure of others pain, TRUE psychopath, unless find it entertaining in his own concept, will not - I think - hurt for hurting others. But, be it part of their playground, they WILL. So, can true psychopath fit into Dark Tetrad criteria...fully? I am curious.

This sounds a lot like me!🥀

Can you make a video on if it’s possible to be diagnosed on first visits to mental health clinics? Especially with four different diagnoses? A youtuber I hate to mention but named Amberlynn Reid is blatantly lying about her diagnosis for KZread views and said she was diagnosed with four different disorders (yet not an eating disorder) huh.

I've been curious for awhile now, have you thought of discussing BDSM and the dark triad? Not trying to shame anyone, I'm into it myself, but there's some people who get into it for the wrong reasons and they're extremely cruel and dominant. Those relationships can easily turn toxic and dangerous.

@LemonSte

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. There's a guy in the KZread BDSM community just like that, his name has slipped my mind but he's literally permanently physically damaged people through dangerous "play" but even with all the girls getting together they couldn't manage to sue him. Think for financial reasons?

@rosiellagrace

4 жыл бұрын

@M Z yes, and no disrespect felt at all, it's a submissive and dominant relationship.. i mean, at the core, so there's room for someone to take advantage and mistreat / kill someone easily. It's also, at the core, about trust.. not everyone you'd trust to spank / 'beat' you, and vice versa, ya know? There's just some people that like taking control and some that like giving it up [like myself] which is fine, but there are some people that take it for something it's not and then end up with a sub they're essentially abusing because that person doesn't want to speak up for themselves. That's also a huge generalization, so anyone in the community - don't come for me, because there are many layers to it.

@susanelizabeth4344

4 жыл бұрын

I second this! I would be really interested to see a video on bdsm through the lens of mental health. I’ve had a therapist who is very supportive of the bdsm lifestyle but it seems that other clinicians may have a different viewpoint.

@rosiellagrace

4 жыл бұрын

@M Z it might be something you're interested in.. as humans, we like either taking or giving up control in most situations. There's also very basic BDSM [the typical spanking and serving that's shown in media] and extreme BDSM. Both can be healthy if the people are on an even playing field, understand their partner's breaking points and won't abuse them.

@rosiellagrace

4 жыл бұрын

@@susanelizabeth4344 that's exactly why I've been curious on Dr. Grande's opinion. I can see both sides of the argument, and my own therapist is supportive if I'm in a 'normal' headspace and not where I'm willing to give everything up, but there's also many times where it's gone too far from a dom's perspective and someone has died .. like from breath play. It's so dangerous, but if it's consensual, then what's the dangers in personalities that enjoy that.. ya know? It's interesting, is all.

Could you elaborate on what is considered "substance abuse"?

If someone has high levels of only two of the three, and is extremely low in the last one, would they be considered as being a "dark triad/tetrad person? For example, high machiavellism and high psychopathy, but low narcissism.

@cherylpage6653

4 жыл бұрын

Ya kno it really doesn't matter what the hell ya call them....they are dangerous to society and should all be locked up!!! Sorry not sorry but that's how I feel!!!

@invincible1903

3 жыл бұрын

Are you aware that the VAST majority of people with these traits never commit any serious crimes? How can you seriously want to take away the freedom and human rights of innocent people. Please know that the media‘s portrayal of Psychopathology is not in any way realistic and almost always highly exaggerated.

@lightningalex5324

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​@@cherylpage6653 If someone has not committed a crime, why should that person be locked up?

So I guess this is why people enjoy gory scenes in horror movies, or, sadly, take part in bullying. One I can relate with, the second makes me feel sick.

I know someone with this. He's just evil. He has relentless hatred inside him which he is permanently desperate to take out on others, (how it seems) always trying to hurt people but from a distance, a coward in person. He enjoys hurting people, the bullying and all his abuse is done with a smile and a wink you can literally see him loving it. For six years I've tried to get rid of him, but he is in a very powerful position and he keeps covering it up, so this time I am going somewhere he doesn't have any connections to. I wouldn't have believed someone could be so awful had you told me prior, even with watching this video. He really is the most disgusting sub human monster. I tried reasoning with him, ignoring him, walking away, educating him, going to police (he is military), he charms those around him but is evil to his chosen target (me). I have realised from watching him for six years he isn't capable of being normal and he doesn't seem to know or understand how to just be civil or respectful. He seems to only be able to bully or flatter people with charm, he can't just treat others with respect- it's one or the other. Also even when you explain to him clearly that his behaviour will produce unfavourable outcomes for him, he still goes ahead with them. It's as though causing pain to others is all that matters to him. He has involved his whole family and workplace in his criminal behaviour, and so they are now facing investigation and yet his abuse continues. The need to bully and destroy is the most prevalent trait he has. Also I have found him to be almost delusional in his justifications. He will adamantly lie about the most obvious things, and constant manipulation. He must have been like this his whole life it is so effortless to him and it makes me wonder, does he actually believe the rubbish he spouts non stop? All the lies make it seem like he is out of touch with reality but I suspect he knows, but is just so used to the lies working for him he keeps trying to force them to work by pushing them further and further, but for me I see straight through them. Edited out typos etc

@MelanCholy2001

3 жыл бұрын

"Also I have found him to be almost delusional in his justifications." -the world likes evil people. (Until that person is turned on them, I suppose.) I wonder if the eyewitnesses (we can't say 'loved ones') aren't the delusional ones, thinking that the Sadists/psychopaths might be "discovered" and possibly help enlighten the psychopath? Best I can tell, society seems to LIKE them the way they are. Barabbas.

@cdorothy444

3 жыл бұрын

Best to leave toxic people and not try to rescue them unless you are a mental health professional.

I sometimes fantasize about hurting people who bully others, wouldn't do it though and it is usually cartoon comedy.

This is quite horriffic.

Psychopathy, narcissism, and machiavellianism are included in The Dark Triad because they all lack empathy; sadism, on the other hand, is not because sadists are capable of empathy. As bad as pain infliction may be, you can stop a sadist by invoking empathy. Person's in the dark triad may also commit violence.

Dark triads/tetrads have the capacity for empathy, but it's compartmentalized. In addition, they suffer malignant cognitive dissonance. That unholy fusion enables them to prey on certain others without conscience.

Dr Grande: Why is sociopathy not in this "dark" /"d" stuff?

Well, each of us has these dark sides, one of them at least-because we are all born both good and bad.

If you want to say "Schadenfreude" as an adjective, just replace the "e" at the end with "-ig".

I know a person that is all of this

Are sadistic psychopaths more likely to be married than non sadistic psychopaths?

I made the very unfortunate mistake of getting back with my ex fiance for the second time, whom I had thought was undiagnosed BPD, and was seemingly attempting to get help to improve upon this as much as she could. However, I learned later, (via very costly and multiple life altering decisions, in an even quicker amount of time than before..2 months vs. 1.5 years, which I thank God didn't land me into jail on fake charges...came close though), that she emphatically checks all the boxes for the dark tetrad...along with commodities of BPD and HPD. The Sadistic and Pyschopathic traits have been more pronounced over the past 5 years with HPD traits still the same or stronger, but the BPD traits, (although definatly still strongly there), not as strong as 8 years ago, where as now the psychopathic and sadistic traits are more prevalent in the rankings of the pecking order. From a fly on the wall/case study/detached perspective (post an extensive 8 year on and off again in depth knowledge), watching her live her life is extremely fascinating. I've been searching online for years to learn more about people who present as such, (unitary a self soathing and preservation strategy, but now out of a curiosity basis), but I can not find anything referencing such a combination. I was wondering if anyone has ever encountered people such as her, has encountered any content...preferably in video format similar to Dr. Grande's , vs clinical research articles, and I was wondering if anyone ever encountered a person(s), such as my ex, or people with dark tetrad manifestation, have the psychopathic and sadistic traits increased as they've gotten older, and lastly have certain traits have weak, but consistent correlations with certain people, in regards to their classification in accordance to that person's version a playbook or play and your, (or other people's), character in that play, or classification in reference to their life, (ie; myself as an adult male who was her fiance at one time vs her step dad vs her biological father vs her female relatives, vs her female patients when she working)...the classification system and pecking order loosely relegated how many of the DarknTetrad traits, BPD, and HPD one would receive, how soon, and to what duration and intensity.

Do a report on on PANDAS Si’l vous plez

Throw out the triad and replace it with the tetrad. Sadism is definitely a key trait among those we consider “bad”

Sub clinical psychopathy seems like a positive trait compared with sub clinical narcissism

They need to add the dark triad the dark tetrad and the vulnerable dark triad to the dsm 5 someone who is sadistic is extremely mentally ill

In describing someone as 'having' the dark triad or tetrad do you imply it can be 'caught'?

Do you accept patients or just stick with video making-which are very well done?! And, thank you for making them.

Dr. G, "cruelty" is enjoying causing pain, while "sadism" is being sexually aroused by it.

@lightningalex5324

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Prove it.

@IsmaelLovecraft

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@@lightningalex5324 look it up. sadism: 1 : the derivation of sexual gratification from the infliction of physical pain or humiliation on another person

@lightningalex5324

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@@IsmaelLovecraft Sadism is a type of behaviour in which a person obtains pleasure from hurting other people and making them suffer physically or mentally. Collins dictionary

@lightningalex5324

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@@IsmaelLovecraft Name your source next time.

@IsmaelLovecraft

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@@lightningalex5324 it's erotic, sexual, pleasure.

Hold on, doesn't sadism come with psychopathy? IF that's the case you can still reduce it into a triad.

💀 wooooooo beeeeewwwwwwaaaaarrrreee the dark tetris

Something painful is to identify these traits in a partner, but trying to explain them to someone using such very judgmental words merely interpreted as backbiting and backfired on the victim

Hillary Clinton in a nutshell.