Enlightening video. My biggest takeaway is "Don't believe everything they(camera industry) tell you." Things they can quantify may not be what we are looking for. Micro contrast is one of the keys to making pictures pop out(sharp). Pictures taken with Lumix S 50 1.4, Canon EF 50 1.2, Leica, Zeiss Loxia+Batis & Sigma Foveon x3 start growing on me.

For what it's worth finally the first person I've come across who explains camera tech in a way I can perfectly digest. Don't change a thing about the style of your channel. Respect

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for the kind words!

@coolblue9618

5 жыл бұрын

Dude I agree there too many idiots here spouting opinion without slightest subject knowledge

Every photographers should watch this video. Thank you !

As always, a very helpful and detailed episode! Love your no frills, no drama approach on sharing knowledge.

When you moved the M-D closer to the edge at 4:48 i had a mini heart attack

@SchwizzZer

7 жыл бұрын

He does that intentionally - as well as putting it upside down - to show the audience that those Leicas are tools to be used and not to be locked out inside a vitrine haha

@abigailsockeye1586

5 жыл бұрын

A danish photographer has no such worries. Like a honey badger.

Excellent, Thorsten! Lots of endless conversation boiled down to the essence of what is real. Thank you!

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked. Good comment!

Beautifully said, Thorsten! It seems like nowadays everyone is looking at pictures at 100% and getting rid of those that aren't sharp when we should be looking at them holistically. Thank you for speaking truth, Thorsten! This is so liberating to me as a photographer!

The preview text translated saying my name is Jose!!!!! Haha Bought some Christmas gifts. Thank you, can't wait to put it to use

Well said and about time too. It's the feeling, atmosphere and emotion that a photograph conveys that matters

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you :-)

Thank you Thorsten, very true and enlightening.

Well said! I work in the camera industry and we are always dealing with customers who zoom in 100% on the PC when looking at their photos and claiming it is not sharp Enough!

Just today I came across this vid. It's really helped to put all the hassle around sharpness into perspective. Thank you

Great video! Always to the point, not complicated and interesting. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.

What a fantastic explanation of a very simple concept, its the end product that counts not all the tech that is involved in producing that final image!

Ken, thanks for enlightening us to the meaning of "sharpness", and for introducing Mr. Overgaard. His presentation was most interesting, and did expand my photographic knowledge and perspective...as do all of your videos!

The sum of all elements is what makes the photo. If you look at all parts individually, you miss the ...big picture. I've sold all my digital cameras and gone back to 35mm. OM1 still does it. Turns out though, as a student, it was a creative move I can barely afford hahaha! Love your reviews and insights! New subscriber!!

You're a great teacher, thank you.

Great video...Thanks Thorsten!

Great video! One often get carried away in the ”sharpness wave” Thanks!

very informative. thanks for taking the time to present your perspective !

Thank you. I hope many of the KZread reviewers watch for video.

Some quality information right here! Thank you for taking the time to share these insight.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Greatest words I've heard in photography! Enjoyed this so much! Thank You!

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Welcome!

Fascinating video and a discussion rarely covered thank you

@JeevesTCW

2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoying your channel

Love this new Magic of Light channel!

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear that!

The Angry Photographer sent me here. He didn't fail me. Subscribed to you sir! Greetings from Germany! i mean seriously at last i find another good photographer like you, who actually explained in a very easy way what sharpness is. I always found it hilarious that almost all KZread Photographers zooming 100% on each photos they are capturing and say this one is focused and this one is not.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Aha, thanks for explaining! I'll pay him a visit. Glad to know there are more grumpy people than I :-)

Excellent video. Thanks for sharing.

Thank you so much for your time and explaination.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Welcome!

Well stated and much appreciated. Thank you for your effort.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I followed a link here from another KZread channel, and I'm so glad I did. You've reminded me a little of the art philosopher Gombridge, who's essays and books I'm very fond of reading, particularly Art And Illusion. I often feel that too many photographers get hung up on how many megapixels or dpi there are in an image, rather than enjoying it for what it is. Thank you for this. I feel mentally invigorated.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I agree to a large degree.

Thank you so much for your video! I called myself an enthusiast amateur. But I have been shooting film for years with Nikons and Minoltas, Nowadays I use Pentax and Ricoh, but I just ordered a Leica c-lux. Looking forward to enjoy Leica quality! Adn definitely, a good picture does not have to be tack sharp. Composition matters the most.

Thank you for sharing your experience,... Beautiful and inspiring!...

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Just starting your video's and I have to say they are incredibly informative, I am picking up many tips all of which are very useful. I am going to enjoy working my way through your collection of video's. Thank you for taking the time to film and post these informative video's they are greatly appreciated.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Now I should definitely read more on perceived sharpness vs sharpness at 100% magnification.

That was a really interesting video. Thank you.

Very interesting look at the concept of sharpness. Looking forward to more videos from you.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

120/5000 I also join the many and well-deserved appreciations and compliments. Much to learn and much to think about. Thank you.

Well. . . I love the rendering of images with splitting warm colors, touch of micro contrast 😋 with Rich amount of color. . . That's

Holy... so inspiring...

Thank you for sharing your knowledge!

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

2 жыл бұрын

Most welcome 🙂

Very, very informative video!

Wonderful, glad I found your Chanel, very clear instruction in a short time, thanks.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear that. More is coming!

Great vid on sharpness. About a week ago, I asked another Leica shooting you tuber why Leica? The reply was because I said so. What you start saying about Leica lenses & color somewhere around the 3+ minute mark is why he should refer anyone who ask why Leica to this video. Looking forward to watching your B&W video. Thank you.

Thanks. Really appreciate your insights.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Very interesting viewpoint on sharpness. Thank you for sharing.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Welcome, Carrie.

Thanks for sharing! Nearly peed in my pants when the M-D was pushed so close to the edge of the table to make way for the laptop...Lol!

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Those things fly around and usually take some beating without much trouble :-)

Thanks for sharing this video about sharpness. Very interesting. I look forward to seeing more of your videos.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you. They will come out with two videos a week from now.

Dear Thorsten von Overgaard. Just saw your video (from #Angry Photographer), which made my day. As I always said, its a question of perception and viewing distance. Thank you very much for your well expressed video. Will share it.

Very inspiring indeed. Im always upset with the sharpness on the eyes when zoomed in but you really made a point here that made me understand that youre not supposed to zoom and zoom. Thank you

Thanks for sharing man - Sean

Solid info. Thanks.

Thank you SIR

Excellent video.

Interesting subject thanks for sharing.

you are a great photographer!

Intressante explication

So true.. one example I can think of is you can increase the blacks in certain photos and make it appear sharper (perceived sharpness).

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, generally, if you turn down exposure in edit and increase contrast (and black), that will give that effect.

I am glad that you share your knowledge with us here, thank you very much! It will be superb if you share some of your experiences about film photography! Best regards from Sweden.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you Shahab. I will get around film eventually.

Half of me learning a lot, the other half having an anxiety attack for seeing how close that leica is to the edge of the table!

What you have said is really true...but today with marketing gimmicks & with DXO MARK everybody is running towards Sigma ART Lenses & Zeiss OTUS, just to get every pixel out of their sensors...for me, I choose the lens has got great Micro-Contrast, it will give my photograph life, Leica are Legendary Lenses, not because how sharp they are but how much life they put in the photographs taken with them....

It was the best definição I found. Tks

So glad I watched this , perceived sharpness and the final print ! Etc just bought your ebook, very common-sense approach, I just wish people would stop pixel peeping.

Thanks very good information

Following the group over from Ken's channel. I enjoyed this video very much. Keep up the good work

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Very welcome!

VERY good video. Your explanation about sharpness changed my understanding. Thank you. Everybody crazy about sharpness and only few understand what sharpness actually is.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Good feedback :-)

Thankx for your insight as a professional ! I am an amateur and I shoot mainly Canon. My perception was that when I look at photos on flickr or other sources, the sharpness of the new lenses for mirrorless cameras is very impressive but almost kind of "clinical" and I nearly always preferred the look and the rendering of the older EF Canon glass which at the moment a lot of people want to get rid off. I recently bought an old Canon 5D 12MP camera from 2005 and eventhough getting the photo is a bit more cumbersome, the result if you nail it is just amazing, the colors, the rendering, everything. I have to tweek the photos of my mirrorless quite a bit for them to look like the ones coming from the 5D.

wonderful

Thanks Thorsten. You have a very interesting perspective on sharpness. I agree with Fauxma that you need a bigger desk when moving your camera and lenses. Well done.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Nothing bad happened so far. I will keep an eye on it in the future so we won't have anybody suffering a stroke :-)

I was going to stop and move on to some other video.. BUT your no-nonsense and logical approach made me watch the whole thing!

very good story

Brilliant video :)

Loved it, very pleasant to watch, It made perfect sense to me, you are a person who knows what he is talking about and you explain in a way that the general viewers can understand, it is what it boils down to, nothing fancy. :-)

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thank you! Nice video!

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Xtian!

Very good video. Thank you

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

My bro big Kent sent me here, nice video, thanks!

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Very welcome!

Thank you!

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Welcome!

I just found this video and learned a lot more than I thought I would. Would love to meet up with you if you're ever in Vancouver in Canada!

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Will be back in Vancouver later in 2017, and the lovely Revolver coffee place!

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, they give me an anchor to peg my photographic philosophy. This is why I love Europeans. Americans are great with technology and information, but Europeans, I find, are the soul of everything I've come to appreciate in this world (as well as the Japanese too). From cars and automobile design, to visual arts, to literature and philosophy. Thank you again, and keep doing videos such as this, please.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind word!

@stevelink21

6 жыл бұрын

Well said, Enzo...I totally agree!

@DANVIIL

6 жыл бұрын

You better hurry up and get over to Europe because it's disappearing fast. Muslims and Africans are being imported by the treasonous elites and the European birth rate has crashed below replacement. You can't have Europe without Europeans.

WOW. brilliant information

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Awesome.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I am relatively new to photography and enjoyed this video. If I print a certain amount of photos in 8x10 format it helps me improve as I can now hold my photograph in my hands. It gives me a sense of creative ownership that I would not normally feel just looking at a monitor. Thanks again.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, that is so true. I have professional printers make prints for galleries and such, but I also have a simple Canon Pixma printer (the simple one with five color catridges) for printing 8x10" prints on glossy glossy paper for anything I just want to put on a board or give to my kids friends. Sufficient quality and it's great to see what you did on a wall, and it's intersting to see what others see and say when they see a print. I had a workshop student who had a box on his sofa table with 8x5 prints of his newest/best photos, then guests could take the box and go through the photos. Smart way of making it real and have your own little gallery exhibition at home for family and friends to see.

Great video... I love your perspective on the subject of sharpness... The reason I own Leica is the Leica Look... No other camera or lens has it...

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's right. It's very unique.

Hello Maestro. The picture you've took with the legendary Digilux 2 is just amazing. I have one of this, I exploide it on the side walk in Paris 3 years ago, then I can't get along with the idea to not have it any more with me, so I buy an other one, and I agree about the sharp fact. When the camera is in the right hands, the sharp side is existing where it have to be. I would love to know your set up you will recommend to use the Digilux 2, I mean something around... let's say the perfection, like on the picture you took. Best regards, Olivier

Just have to add to the many comments about your straightforward approach. very nice and without all the "hype" of those other "picture-takers" ;) on the web. Thanks

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the feedback :-)

Jared Polin favorite quote "yeah but its not sharp" FROOOOOO KNOOOOWWWWS

@douglasdrumond

7 жыл бұрын

I'm imagining Jared Polin seeing Robert Capa's photos from D Day. All are blurred.

Very interesting and so true about what is the perception of sharpness but moreover artistic quality of an image. Since I got my first Leica (M8) last year and M lenses, I can feel it even when I look at the rear screen of the M8 which is so poor in definition. But all is so obvious, micro contrast are where the focus is and then all goes so smooth that if strengthens the sensation of sharpness and make the photography looks great. I'm wondering about switching to the M9-P or M-P(240) to get the full sensor sise. What would be your advise if I can ask.

I think you're right - its the look of the imagery. I get attached to the look when I find it and will usually stick with that camera for a long time and always regret it when I sell.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, a beloved camera is the best. Not easy to stay with the same camera in the digital age though.

Man, totally agreed!

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Film is 18-20 MP per color I think. RGB that is. So its actually 54-60 MP, where as 36Mp digital is the total mp. Venlig hilsen Keith

I shot Leicas and Hasseblads during the film years. I now own another brands of very high mp cameras. I'm never really satisfied with the results. Many camera manufactures do come close, but once you shoot with Leica Cameras, you will be spoil for life.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

For some things, high resolution makes sense, but it's actually very specialized. Most of us can choose cameras and lenses that makes us happy and makes photography fun and worthwhile.

Great video. Some call it micro-contrast. Most people are only worried about, as you said, LPI, or how sharp is it. There is much more to a pleasing photograph. If you want best of both sharpness and micro-contrast shoot large format film and drum scan it...or even better someone who knows what they are doing use a darkroom. Keep up the good work.

Great video Thorsten. I do have a question however: How much of that initial look/signature is maintained after processing has taken place? Assuming Leica lenses have that unique quality you are talking about, can it still be observed after changes have been done to the original images? (such as the "Tones" in LR). Thanks

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, definitely, if you don't overdo it with sharpening or playing too much with HRD or tonality. Fundamentally it's clear and natural, and adding too much sharpness is exactly what some cameras. Not needed. It's not about sharp edges but about CLARITY.

good stuff

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you :-)

Tak :-)

Is just love your videos, you do it really well! With Best Regards Jess Demant Aggeboe ----------- Er bare vild med dine videoer, du gør det rigtigt godt! Med Venlig Hilsen Jess Demant Aggeboe

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you! --- Tak!

Sharpness is a bourgeois concept - Henri Cartier Bresson

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, he said that.

@MORCOPOLO0817

3 жыл бұрын

"Sharpness" is a marketing tool.

Fully agree, it's called the Art of Lenses. You may try to compare for example a Leonardo painting where sharpness is intact dissolved because that is how light technically works, while the 15th 16th cent. Dutch school of panting interpreted sharpness as distinct contrasts which is not how light technically operates.

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, there was a proud school of light to accentuate, show colors and emotions. Da Vinci was one who spent a lot of time noticing how colors changed by different types and levels of light.

sharpness is nothing, RENDERING is everything....... so i said. ....which is basically what youre saying

@longrider9551

6 жыл бұрын

is it not really a balance of several things that formulate "rendering"

@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting a link to the video today :-)

some people call this mircro contrast. When you use only 3 to 5 elements in a lens you have more abberation, less sharpness but way more contrast in the details and more natural colors. Its that simple.

@magicoflight : interesting point of view, thanks for sharing it. When it comes to film resolution, what are your sources ? I do have found clear explanation and film resolution is way higher than the figures you have presented here. Here is a short excerpt : « Fuji Velvia 50 is rated to resolve 160 lines per millimeter. This is the finest level of detail it can resolve, at which point its MTF just about hits zero. Each line will require one light and one dark pixel, or two pixels. Thus it will take about 320 pixels per millimeter to represent what's on Velvia 50. 320 pixels x 320 pixels is 0.1MP per square millimeter. 35mm film is 24 x 36mm, or 864 square millimeters. To scan most of the detail on a 35mm photo, you'll need about 864 x 0.1, or 87 Megapixels. » From my own perspective that is also the way I feel it, since I am shooting both film & digital. Could you please tell us more about your sources and method of calculation ? Source : - www.kenrockwell.com/tech/film-resolution.htm - www.fujifilm.com/products/professional_films/pdf/velvia_50_datasheet.pdf