Yes, individuals have a duty to disobey the state when the state operates out of line with an individual's moral compass. I was a right-wing libertarian until this year, but the heavy-handed tyranny that governments have exercised in the name of safety have pushed me into embracing anarchism. We as anarchists desire harmony and not chaos; it is governments that desire chaos to manipulate their order out of it by means of the Hegelian dialectic, "ordo ab chao" as the proverb in Latin goes.

Anarchy is not chaos at all. Anarchist wish to build a non hierarchical society based on self-management, voluntary cooperation, and direct democracy. Anarchists are not against all institutions or organizations, for they are just against hierarchical ones. You should do more research on Anarchism and make a video about it. Anarchist political philosophy has a pretty good analysis of hierarchy of all kinds. Anarchy is the mother of order not chaos.

@CarneadesOfCyrene

7 жыл бұрын

Note that this is the philosophical position, known as "Philosophical Anarchism" which is certainly different from any movements which go by the same name. One day I would love to go through the wide range of political positions, but for now, I am working my way through the philosophical realm. If you really want me to cover any particular topic, feel free to pledge at least 10 dollars on Patreon.

@linspenmenn3658

7 жыл бұрын

Carneades.org Thanks, keep up the good work.

@jessicasentman2127

6 жыл бұрын

I would love to see proper Anarchistic intellectual representation. It's a very misunderstood term and has become a buzzword for 'chaos' as mentioned above. I don't know why but I have a feeling it might be because so many who consider a world with no rulers are as much misinformed on what Anarchy is as well and the principles of Free Market Economics.

I think i'm an anarchist, but I haven't done much research yet so I'm not sure. Will update soon

@sacredscarabstudy

3 жыл бұрын

Well?

@nicholaswhite6565

Жыл бұрын

how’d it go?

@floydjones3358

Жыл бұрын

Man said yes and went off the grid

@kodiekulp

Жыл бұрын

He can't hear you.

The view count on this video is way too small, because this is what I mean when I say I’m an anarchist. Thanks for telling the truth about something so controversial as this

@CarneadesOfCyrene

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I'm glad you appreciated. I think that philosophical anarchism is often misinterpreted, and there are more people who would support at least some elements of it than they realize.

"Do what thy manhood bids thee do. From none but self expect applause. He noblest lives and noblest dies Who makes and keeps his self-made laws." -Richard Francis Burton.

@CarneadesOfCyrene

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting Poem!

@hopemediaemcc2664

5 жыл бұрын

well, except that sociopaths and others with software glitches and psychological malware have self-made laws no compassionate person wants any part of.

@fluentpiffle

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone is born an anarchist.. We have to have the natural state 'educated' out of us.. The only genuine 'leader' is wisdom born of a respect for truth.. It is the severe lack of naturalised 'elder wisdom' that leads to the kind of politicised world we suffer today. When the Europeans invaded the Americas they saw themselves as having the 'right' to obliterate everything from a position of 'superiority', where in fact they couldn't have been more wrong; replacing a self-sustaining series of inter-connected micro systems based on elder-wisdom philosophy with a savage greed for self-interest, leading ultimately to self-destructive behaviour.. It all really boils down to control. External, ever increasing and changing forms of control by exterior and self-interested 'forces', or personal responsibility through self-control, which negates the need for the external, but does still require a form of on-going and naturally evolving wisdom tradition.. Neither are without problems, but the wisdom option can see where those problems arise and has the ability to deal successfully with them. It also has the added bonus of never blindly sinking into a self-destructive state, and thus will remain sustainable...

@johnnyxmusic

Жыл бұрын

Andrew Tate. You know… Without the sex trafficking (allegedly). 😮

Long life to Max Stirner

@deathuponusalll

6 жыл бұрын

Nesty CB the law is just a spook 😉

@wiggyam1268

5 жыл бұрын

He's already dead though.

What is the strongest objection against wollfs argument? how would you guys tackle it?

I believe we have a degree of duty to obey the state…that there is a threshold we need to reach to disobey it that goes beyond just a heartfelt and well reasoned moral objection. This threshold is highly contingent upon the circumstances, but it it predicated on my belief that all systems are imperfect, even our own internal systems, and there is a cost to acting on disagreement as an individual just like there is a cost to allowing the state to act on it’s disagreements with individual actions within it. I am uncertain if we can generalize that one cost is always greater than the other, but I’m inclined to say we can’t generalize in favor of individual judgement by default. there’s a lot of circumstances in which even individual liberty is lost when as a whole people opt out of shared state systems.

When a man has money in his pocket, he becomes advocate of peace!

@treyGivens1

Жыл бұрын

True

Simple. we should not obey the law just because we are lawfully required (i.e. we don't always have moral obligation to obey the law or authority). However, when the law is doings its job by upholding morality in cases (which we can call a just jurisdiction) , we should comply with the law because it aligns with our / universal moral compass.

Pls link us to literature for reading and supplements (if any)

@CarneadesOfCyrene

7 жыл бұрын

SEP on Authority: plato.stanford.edu/entries/authority/ IEP on Political Philosophy: www.iep.utm.edu/polphil/#SH3d

@onixz100

7 жыл бұрын

Michael Huemer, Problem of Political Authority (Palgrave: 2013).

Who's here in 2020?

In the states i think the employer and bourgeoisie will always be working towards making questions like these not exist. Autonomy and Equality ✊

Whenever thinking about this I regard the state and its laws as consequences of a contract between everyone involved and having the goal of making everyones lives better. Then I get grumpy because nobody ever made any of it clear let alone makes sure people who enter that contract do so only from an informed position. Then I stop worrying because I happen to live in a state that lets me and everyone else leave whenever they want. I hope I would break the law in every case where not doing so would severely harm other people. And I hope I would gladly go to jail for it. Never happened(*) so I cannot really tell, though. (*)by which I mean trivial cases. More complicated yet equally severe cases might be dodged by my conscience on a regular basis. I hope I'll make steady progress against those but. Well

@CarneadesOfCyrene

7 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately many people do not live somewhere where they can leave whenever they want, or at least they lack the means, or the visa to do so. It does seem a stretch to claim that they must follow the laws of a country that they never agreed to and cannot escape. There are some very unfair laws in this world that cause real harm, it seems strange that we ethically need obey them, especially if we cannot escape.

@ulmeydasmile

7 жыл бұрын

I agree. In my estimation any notion of humans being ethically obligated to obey more than the most simplistic golden rule derivatives lost its legs more than 200y ago, if not much farther back. I'd draw the line where technology had advanced to the point where humans could, if they stopped murdering the shit out of each other for one god damned second, lead a life secure enough to have a good chance of being able to choose to die of old age and produce enough surplus to satisfy their leisure-y needs. Those silly ifs spoil all the fun, though. Again.

Sound is way too low.

Falsity and corruption thrive on confusion.. Everyone is born an anarchist.. We have to have the natural state 'educated' out of us.. The only genuine 'leader' is wisdom born of a respect for truth.. It is the severe lack of naturalised 'elder wisdom' that leads to the kind of politicised world we suffer today. When the Europeans invaded the Americas they saw themselves as having the 'right' to obliterate everything from a position of 'superiority', where in fact they couldn't have been more wrong; replacing a self-sustaining series of inter-connected micro systems based on elder-wisdom philosophy with a savage greed for self-interest, leading ultimately to self-destructive behaviour.. It all really boils down to control. External, ever increasing and changing forms of control by exterior and self-interested 'forces', or personal responsibility through self-control, which negates the need for the external, but does still require a form of on-going and naturally evolving wisdom tradition.. Neither are without problems, but the wisdom option can see where those problems arise and has the ability to deal successfully with them. It also has the added bonus of never blindly sinking into a self-destructive state, and thus will remain sustainable...

Just to preface, I am a skeptic and a moral nihilist. I think the authority of our political institution does exists and it come from the governed. I don't think the distinction between the governors and the governed is necessary because they are the same thing. The authority is the mural agreement among the people that they will function together and the acceptance that doing so requires rules. We work better in groups but working together requires order. The laws are not to ensure that everyone acts moral but to create an environment where everyone can find their own believes without interference.

@CarneadesOfCyrene

7 жыл бұрын

But the problem presents itself when a majority of the people give consent to be governed in one way, but a minority of people would want to be governed in another way. If there is nothing that absolutely everyone can agree on, then can there be any laws?

Anarchist philosophy does not necessarily include moral autonomy. In fact, it largely excludes it as it is an ideological position or collection of positions. If it is an ideological position or collection of positions, then it's adherents aren't morally autonomous.

@CarneadesOfCyrene

7 жыл бұрын

Yet, one argument for philosophical anarchism comes from the claim of moral autonomy, it does not imply that philosophical anarchism requires it, rather that it implies philosophical anarchism.

@virulentreign

7 жыл бұрын

A rejection of the moral authority of the state or the church does not necessarily imply moral autonomy. A rejection of one claim to authority is not a rejection of all claims to authority. After all, many anarchists would make many similar moral claims.

Nice vid.

Carnades, Im not trying to spam, but I dont think you read the comment I wrote you about about a week ago. It’s about modal logic. I also had one more problem in my assignment I could NOT prove using ONLY system K. I LITERALLY TRIED EVERYTHING ! This is the statement -->([](P=>Q)&[](P=>~Q)=> ~P) what I TRIED to do--> ~([](P=>Q)=>([](P=>~Q)=> ~P)) (Exportation) ~(~[](P=>Q)v([]P=>~Q)=>~P)) (IMP) [](P=>Q)&~[](P=>~Q)=>~P (DM) ~[](P=>~Q)=>~P (SIMP) ~(P=>~Q)=>~P (Change Q) ~(~(P=>~Q)v~P(IMP) (P=>~Q)&P (DM) (P=>~Q) (SIMP) P [](P=>Q) And I mean we could apply axiom K, and maybe some modus Tollens but it leads you no where! PLEASE HELP! Thank you

To even entertain the notion that obeying the law of the state you live in is somehow instrinsically moral seems absolutely ludicrous to me.

@2:00, philosophical anarchism sounds like a trivial political philosophy then regarding political philosophies that advocate for democracy and a republic. Why not simply adhere to one of the schools of liberalism?

@CarneadesOfCyrene

7 жыл бұрын

It is not a question of the best way to have a democracy, but rather who holds moral authority. A democracy may be the best way to rule, but that does not mean that jsut because over half the people agree with an idea it is morally right.

The state has a degree of moral authority simply because living by laws creates stability and security. No matter what the laws are, just having laws that we all understand and obey frees us from the unpredictability of a life where any random thing can happen to us at any time. Of course stability and security have only so much value. A state can certainly do things that are so bad that even the loss of stability and security would be better than continuing to follow the state.

@nestorsdragon8057

7 жыл бұрын

But the security created by the State only works in favour of the state

@Ansatz66

7 жыл бұрын

Nestor's Dragon Security benefits everybody, except for those who prefer to live the Mad Max lifestyle, living by what you can take and killing those who try to take from you. That's an exciting way to live and it lets martial arts experts make good use of their skills, but for most people a stable life of rules is better even if they are getting the poor end of the deal.

@havenbastion

2 жыл бұрын

A state may have moral authority for that reason, but The state - whichever one happens to actually exist, has no particular authority at all. That A state must exist does not confer authority on any state that happens to pop up. And in many cases a state isn't doing the basics efficiently anyway, so their authority is imaginary at best.

About 3% percent of all anarchists were ever violent, but hey, keep acting as if it was the worst thing ever...

Actually I don't think the skeptic can be a philosophical anarchist because you have to believe that there exist a moral authority and it is not from the state.

@CarneadesOfCyrene

7 жыл бұрын

The definition that I offered states that you need to lack the belief that the state can dictate morality. You do not need to claim that another morality exists. Simply, not claim that such a morality emanates from the state.

Authority is a sucks, shit political law & stupid statements.

When your enemies are both bikers and police you will understand just how corrupt this world is. nice try though champ.