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@christopherhoffer6643

4 жыл бұрын

What if Ross Perrot won the 1992 election What if Gary Johnson won the 2016 election What if the Britsh Seized Alaska from Russia

@MonsieurDean

4 жыл бұрын

Have considered a Ross Pierrot scenario, as well as some other alternate president timelines, but those tend to be left on the shelf for a long while.

@Oli_boop

4 жыл бұрын

you should really make a part two for this video, because I see potential for a part 2. It would be a waste if this video is left behind.

@slightlyistorical1776

4 жыл бұрын

Monsieur Z You should do a video explaining the entire lore of Code Geass and what if the Holy Britannian Empire under either Charles’ or Lelouch’s reign and if they invaded our modern United States under Trump’s presidency and who would win in a war

@thefurrybastard1964

4 жыл бұрын

What if the Scandinavian peoples successfully resisted Christianity.

To summarize the European colonist's first contact with the American Vikings: OH SHIT!! NOT YOU AGAIN!!!!

@untitleduck9623

2 жыл бұрын

"Round two?" -Vikings, meeting the Europeans in America.

@leaaronsanchez

2 жыл бұрын

To be perfectly honest and with history the Vikings weren't even the first. Phoenicians was the first, followed by Roman Christians. Then Irish monks fleeing Vikings. Then Vikings. Then Chinese. The Welsh lost at see. Then Azore fishermen, (the dried fish Columbus bought on the Azore Islands was from Florida). Then Columbus. Then Mali empire soldiers. Yes there is evidence to all of this. Even a cave in Brazil has writing in Phoenician. Says they was mining gems there for seven years but tensions with the locals forced them to abandon it.

@fredriks5090

2 жыл бұрын

@@leaaronsanchez the "raft of serpents" described as the vessel of Quetzalcoatl, is very likely a european style ship with an animal headed bough.

@leaaronsanchez

2 жыл бұрын

@@fredriks5090 remains of a Roman cargo ship was found in north Carolina. Christian items was found in the remain. Dates back to 40 A.D. America's Stonehenge was made by Phoenicians, Phoenician writing was seen everywhere before its removal in 1910. Cave in Brazil also confirms Phoenicians had 3 mining settlements with the longest lasting 7 years. Remains of a small settlement located 70 miles north of American Stonehenge. 2 bodies found there with a Rosary at their waist confirms they were monks, DNA test shows from Ireland. The only Viking settlements was in Canada. Reports say it was started by Leif Erikson's sister. Old history from Canadian tribes confirms this well. They drove them off because they thought they was try to poison them. Native Americans are mostly lactose intolerant.

@ianedgin2819

2 жыл бұрын

@@leaaronsanchez (tin hat go brrrr unless u cite source)

Leif Erikson Day would be one of our national holidays.

@epicwin2513

4 жыл бұрын

Zion Molina it currently isn’t?

@reeseman1932

4 жыл бұрын

Zion Molina hinga dinga durgen

@khamulthewack4732

4 жыл бұрын

God, could you imagine Spongebob coming up in a modern Scandinavian-American society? How weird would that shit be?

@earlwyss520

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with that. I'd predict that the North American Norse would eventually expand westward along the St. Lawrence river and the great lakes. While northern French Québec and British Massachusetts bay colonies would be wiped out by NAN raiders, southern colonies such as Virginia and Carolina for the British and Louisiana for the French would be possible. The Dutch New Holland colony may fair better as NAN neighbors. So with this time line no one celebrates those hypocritical Puritans called the Pilgrims with Thanksgiving. I'd even go as far as saying that the border between either New Holland and New England (Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas, Georgia, and maybe Delaware) would be the Mason Dixon line, and the Ohio river. While the French Louisiana and New England border would be the Mississippi river initially, or at least until the inevitable French and Indian war of 1754-1763. With a larger colonial presence in the new world, the British would have still won that war, and the colonies may not have revolted, as the southern colonies had more loyalists than the north to begin with. The only reason that the Continentals won the Revolution was because of strategic blunders in the south by Cornwallis and Ferguson. By sending "don't get involved, or we'll burn you out" letters to the Scots-Irish settlers of western North Carolina they alienated potential supporters, and created determined enemies instead.

@VNM-do2xy

4 жыл бұрын

no it wouldnt u would be english not american america would have people of only swedish norweigen danish and icelandic decent

So wait... You’re telling me, that this alternate history gives us Vikings with guns? I think we were born in the wrong world.

@johnathankorkie4984

3 жыл бұрын

Or the right one depending on how you look at it lol

@user-qi6tp1te1y

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnathankorkie4984 the way I look at it I am born in the wrong one the boring one

@latronko3320

2 жыл бұрын

You’re so funny and silly😐😐

@kingdomofvinland8827

2 жыл бұрын

I want Vikings with muskets!

@kingdomofvinland8827

2 жыл бұрын

@ligma nutz Vikings with F-22 Raptors!

Just the thought of a viking Florida man sounds like the most intimidating thing to ever exist

@MonsieurDean

2 жыл бұрын

Fjordia Man is real.

@poojamahajan462

2 жыл бұрын

@@MonsieurDean oh no not even Thor can kill him

@mrbisshie

Жыл бұрын

A Viking armed with a battle axe, and high on bath salts, screaming at 2am.

@nolesquad5162

Жыл бұрын

Well well well what do we have here?

@ashkrum5001

10 ай бұрын

Put him in an f22 and you have the most powerful entity on earth

Me: "oh, this video seems cool. ima watch it" Mike Bloomberg: *Allow me to introduce myself*

@theicelandicnationalist2.023

3 жыл бұрын

I got an ad for Saudi Arabia

I feel colonialism would also slow greatly, over four centuries-agricultural and metalworking techniques from the Norse making their way into native hands is inevitable. North American tribes would likely be similar to that of the Germanic tribes, resistant to diseases, farming and perhaps even utilising horses brought over by the Norse. A nightmare for France and Britain for sure.

@DameOfDiamonds

4 жыл бұрын

Nope i believe the vikings would've killed off the natives because whenever the vikings came into contact with the siberians they would fight each other

@Kingdomkey123678

4 жыл бұрын

Dixie Proud anglo American The Norse historically did trade with Native Americans, mainly furs and game but it happened

@isaacbatz4673

4 жыл бұрын

Dixie Proud anglo American the story of the a few ships that sailed to shore in Vinland was that they were attacked by the native tribes, they were never able to set up a settlement before they were wiped out or forced to return to their ships

@indiekiddrugpatrol3117

4 жыл бұрын

@pokezee king-wolf because they were severely outnumbered and lacked resources, with more people and food they would have slaughtered the natives

@DameOfDiamonds

4 жыл бұрын

@pokezee king-wolf yes they were *outnumbered*

I think the later colonists would have one major advantage over the Norse colony...gunpowder. Even though firearms were primitive in 1492, they would gradually improve over the coming centuries. That would make them a game-changer in this Euro-Norse War. Also, I think the Viking colony might have inadvertently made it harder for the later Europeans to colonize elsewhere. The Vikings would bring with them European diseases much earlier than in OTL. That might give the natives a chance to build up an immunity to them as well as allowing them a few centuries to repopulate after the initial outbreak. Thus, the Spanish and Portuguese would have a much harder time conquering South America and the English and French would have a much more difficult time in the North.

@Motofanable

4 жыл бұрын

Gunpowder was not so much advantage, norse could still learned using it. It is not a rocket science.

@horatiuscocles8052

4 жыл бұрын

@@Motofanable Guns are so easy to make It wouldn't surprise me if the norsemen picked up the technology and fought back with equal arms

@isaacbatz4673

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, the others may have had guns, but based on the fact that in their first incursion Spain only sent 500 men... the Vikings would easily outnumber any colonist that attempt to attack them.

@DameOfDiamonds

4 жыл бұрын

Vikings would have killed the natives

@horatiuscocles8052

4 жыл бұрын

@@isaacbatz4673 Even then guns weren't even the main weapons of the conquistadors...

Long Live Vinland (When you're watching Monsieur Z videos and a new one comes out "5 minutes ago.")

@goldenrepublic6848

4 жыл бұрын

Renegade rename Newfoundland to Vinland?

@speakeroftheassembly3680

4 жыл бұрын

Why does no one ever remember the fall of stürmfjord when the skraeling massacred the oh so feared viking who eventually got chased out of greenland

Since the Norse were literate, knew "the secret of steel" and in many ways equal or superior in technology to their Europeans of the day, I say it would be a hard time to beat them if they really managed to make a foothold and grow in population. No, the Norse wouldn't have had firearms, but just like the Japanese, it would take them a few years to replicate and even improve.

@the11382

Жыл бұрын

The Japanese had firearms before the Portugese arrived, they bought them from China. Bought Chinese firearms weren't very good, especially given that China and Japan are historical rivals/enemies.

@henrikg1388

Жыл бұрын

@@the11382 Maybe they had rockets, grenades and rudimentary cannons, because that's what the Chinese had. Not muskets, which came with the Portuguese. But even so, you're proving my point. The Portuguese didn't colonize Japan, and no one else did either.

In my observation, the Norse are very good at inserting themselves into an already exsisting government structure and often does well where they're the minority. They assimilate and unite the different cultures as they have no preconception of each cultures. The Ruriks united various Slavic Tribes, the Normans assimilating to the French customs and assimilate the different groups of Southern Italy. They inserted themselves into the Byzantine Nobility and go on Crusading and establish Crusader States.

@fredriks5090

2 жыл бұрын

Ever wondered who the 7ft skeletons of northeastern usa's mounds were? i'm not too far off 7 ft myself so a fish eating viking could easily have reached that stature

@derekblevins2823

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think the Viking colony would just end up turning into some kind of Native American Kyivan Rus. Laws would vaguely be Norse with Native flavor but culturally and linguistically it would be American.

@intelligencecube6752

7 ай бұрын

@@derekblevins2823man, that’s WEIRD to think about! I’d be really interested in the specifics of what this hypothetical language would be like; how many features from old Norse it would have, what Native American language it’d be primarily based on, how LONG the language has been in contact with other ones and those effects on it, the works! And then they get destroyed by the French when/if they take Quebec 😂😅

A couple of days ago I started an EU4 campaign just like this. Its 1444 and the last group of Norse Pagan warriors decide to flee Christian Europe and roll the dice on this new land they have heard about from Legend. They started with 1 territory and a small population. One day they will bring Odin back to the Land of Ice and Snow...

@romeersharma6329

3 жыл бұрын

Good

@slibertas1996

3 жыл бұрын

More like Europe brings Protestant Christianity and Christianity wins.

@JustSomeCow

3 жыл бұрын

How’d it go?

@majesticed9329

2 жыл бұрын

try the Elysia mod

@ronald556

Жыл бұрын

Except it was the opposite. It was Christians Vikings that made it much more inland US than any other. It would have been amazing seeing the Spanish coming to the Americas and seeing Virgin Mary statues with rune stone carvings on them

I think the European conquest would’ve been harder and more natives would’ve survived, mostly because disease would have spread enough for a few hundred years that the remaining natives would’ve built up a immunity to it and build up their numbers again, as well as Viking weapons would’ve inevitably falling in the hands of some native tribes and would’ve spread

Person: hello Viking Viking: where is your beard and where is your axe!

@MonsieurDean

4 жыл бұрын

ArmourAll Viking: Restore your car, restore your pride.

@williamachia6919

4 жыл бұрын

Nonono

@theicelandicnationalist2.023

3 жыл бұрын

I am ashamed by the fact that I do not have a beard, i dishonour my ancestors

The pledge of allegiance on this timeline: “...one nation under ODÍN…”

@skeleex

3 жыл бұрын

The pledge of allegiance originally did not have the under "god" phrase, it was added in the 19-20th century.

@theicelandicnationalist2.023

3 жыл бұрын

*Allfather Odin (Maybe a “wise” at the end)

@somuchtocook9159

3 жыл бұрын

This land is blessed to us by Odin may be more likely, would more certainly be used to disregard the Christian faith and the foundation of the cultural shift

@slibertas1996

3 жыл бұрын

Nope, Christianity is what would succeed not the pagans.

@matthewbittenbender9191

3 жыл бұрын

@@slibertas1996 Odin is as real as Jesus.

Cool. I live in Newfoundland and I've always wondered about this. Mostly I like the idea of earlier settlement efforts working the land for an extra 500+ years so we could grow more of our own food.

The mayflower land in America: Wonderful a new land- *Sounds of barbaric shouting are heard coming from the distance* Settlers: Why do I hear boss music.

@user-zm1rq6xj9v

2 жыл бұрын

Lol I can imagine them all hearing a giant thundering singing of "My Mother Told Me" coming from the forests.

@KegaB3

2 жыл бұрын

Barbaric shouting and guns being loaded because vikings with guns

@rachelknightonline

2 жыл бұрын

@@KegaB3 and their native tribal partners ride in on horse back with iron and steel bows and arrows

But the real question is what about the horses they theoretically brought over? and whats that effect on the surrounding cultures

@KingindaNorf

3 жыл бұрын

Lakota probably would’ve gotten a hold of them centuries before they do in our timeline. If not Lakota another Great Plains tribe would’ve turned into a mongol type raiders and empire.

@erikrungemadsen2081

2 жыл бұрын

The Great Plains tribes riding Icelandic horses is an interesting picture. The early adoption of horses amongst the native American tribes, would most likely be one of the most important change in such a timeline.

@DameOfDiamonds

Жыл бұрын

The natives used to hunt and eat horses I believe, it's part of the reason American horses went extinct

European Settlers: arrive on North America Viking Americans: Who the hell are you guys? European Settlers: How the hell did you guys not die yet?

@widodoakrom3938

Жыл бұрын

Most realistic scenario

That would have actually been kinda cool.

@virtualunreality3771

4 жыл бұрын

Not kinda,it would have been the meaning of cool.

@octoberward3243

4 жыл бұрын

It would have been...Metal.

This is my favorite EU4 custom faction to play. The Vinlandian Empire

Always love learning about my Ancestors

@thebronywiking

4 жыл бұрын

Same. Är själv en mix av svensk, dansk, norsk, och ashkenazi.

@jollygreenjeff2640

4 жыл бұрын

Hinga dinga durgen

@ericward8459

4 жыл бұрын

Gotta love your roots!! Hail Odin!!

@thebronywiking

4 жыл бұрын

​@@jollygreenjeff2640 "Is self a (Swedish grammar, english: I am a...) mix of swedish, danish, norwegian, and ashkenazi (North European Jew.).

@AYouTubeCommentator

4 жыл бұрын

The Brony Wiking hur mycket procent är du svensk, dansk, norsk och ashkenazi?

Imagine the Vikings actually getting to Minnesota

@justarandompersonontheinte334

3 жыл бұрын

Why am i thinking about pokemon after reading this

@paulwoida8249

3 жыл бұрын

Someone did a documentary on whether or not the Vikings reached Minnesota. They could not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Vikings made it to MN, but they did discover that an expedition left Iceland at a time that matches the date on the Kensington Runestone. While there is controversy over the authenticity of the Runestone, there are 2 interesting facts about it. The expedition from Iceland was similar in size to the group mentioned on the stone. The other thing was that the runes on the stone had some unique runes which matched runes used by the Icelandic court during that time. It is not enough to "prove" that the Vikings made it to MN, but it does keep open the idea that they could have.

@rubinortiz2311

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulwoida8249 that be dope if their was some legitimacy behind the nfl team. Though the Scandinavian routes do run deep in Minnesota

@lightyearsfromhome1165

2 жыл бұрын

They would have won 🏆 something.

@conneraldeqn9751

2 жыл бұрын

Yo we meet again

As always it ends right before the most interesting part. :(

I could also imagine a scenario where Erik the Heathen decides to pull stakes and head to the west rather than fight a losing war at home.

What if Visogothic Kingdom never fell to the moors?

@goldenrepublic6848

4 жыл бұрын

George Frideric Händel what if the vandal kingdom never fell

@themoreyouknow7418

4 жыл бұрын

Possibly instead of reconquesta, it’d instead being holding a “wall against the moors” type of thing.

@Quincius

4 жыл бұрын

@@themoreyouknow7418 Yep, I'd like to think that constant raids would've been held on the Visigothic Kingdom. Maybe even with time, Christain motive to prevent Muslim expansion in Iberia, and to spread Christianity in North Africa would've led to a large-scale Crusade, similar to that of the Barbary Crusade.

@einbenutzenderbenutzer

3 жыл бұрын

Something similar to the Byzantine Empire but in the West and without the orthodoxe church

@tacomuncher

2 жыл бұрын

@@Quincius hopefully it would fail 🙏

This video could really use a part two if you ask me:)

What if The Man in the High Castle was a reality? You inspired me to become a alternate history fanatic btw

@MonsieurDean

4 жыл бұрын

I'm very glad I was able to introduce you to a subject you enjoy. :)

It's been two years and I still wish this had a part 2.

We could arguably see something similar to the Kievan Rus develop in the Missisipi basin, with ultimate trading targets in the more developed cultures of Mesoamerica in place of the Byzantines and the Arabs. Arguably the influence of a consistent Norse colony would spread well beyond their would be meager territory in the north east. The advance of metal working technology, horses and European germs into the heartland of North America - again, through the easily navigable Missisipi - would transform the local people. By the time Cortes reaches Mesoamerica, it's societies would be largely innoculated from European diseases, would arguably have metal weapons and even cavalry, presenting a much tougher nut for the Spanish to crack. How that would turn out - and in the case of Cortes failing, would Pizzaro even attempt the conquest of the Inca - is certainly a fascinating topic of discussion.

Imagine the British coming only to meet the Vikings again

American Vikings would be interesting. For them to have a Viking/European heritage would be something.

@poplops1

2 жыл бұрын

That moment when Vikings ARE European.

@datukaruma1563

2 жыл бұрын

@@poplops1 No he means the Americans. He thinks it would be interesting for Americans to have Viking heritage

@poplops1

2 жыл бұрын

@@datukaruma1563 And a quasi-Viking civilisation in the Americas. That would be pretty cool.

I could see tribes like the cree and the Iroquois enduring raids from the Norse and having some of their people sold at slave market. That means there could be a decent number of natives who also speak Old Norse. This might lead to the rise of what the Spanish called the mestizo population essentially the people children of indigenous and European parents

@thomasswrisky6734

4 жыл бұрын

Like the Métis in Canada, but Norse. Hopefully things would go better for them then they did for Louis Riel.

@thomasswrisky6734

4 жыл бұрын

There are many compelling reasons for why he was hung. Although the negative impacts on the Métis people were unfortunate. A Canada in which the conflicts were avoided, and a compromise was made between the English and Métis would be an interesting one indeed. Too niche for a scenario though.

@DameOfDiamonds

4 жыл бұрын

Nope i believe if the vikings stayed in america, the natives would have been killed off

@GihrenZabiII

4 жыл бұрын

@@DameOfDiamonds highly unlikely. In our time line diseases are what mainly wiped out indigenous populations. This was because of constant, massed contact with settlers. If the Norse stayed, they would have served to inoculate the tribes near them over the ensuing centuries to the point where settlers do come en Masse from Europe, the native populations, though still technologically inferior, would not die off in such large numbers from disease

@stjanscrabeck7423

4 жыл бұрын

Hugin Why? A Norse-Native race would be badass.

There are 492 years between Leif Erikson's discovery of Vinland and Columbus discovering the West Indies. In contrast, Jamestown was only settled 413 years ago. It was noticeable that once established English settlements in America would double in population every generation due to the plentiful farmland for new families even if immigration was subtracted. So any viable settlement would be an expanding settlement with a growing population spreading exponentially across America. Once they have a population big enough for full-sized armies no native resistance would stand a chance and Norse farms would spread across all of North America by the time of Columbus. Viking longboats would already be raiding the Aztecs and Caribbean for gold and conquest. Vinlanders may continue trading with the old world bringing back technology so they might already have Viking tall ships.

@justarandompersonontheinte334

3 жыл бұрын

Cool

What if the CCP fell during a Korean War where the US wins (no stalemate)?

@oracle372

3 жыл бұрын

@Liam Nathan Abla Communism = funni

Wait so the norse had a 2nd ammendment type tradition?

@MonsieurDean

4 жыл бұрын

In a way, yeah.

@gamerswemeetagain2613

4 жыл бұрын

The Norse are apart of the NRA

@vulpura

4 жыл бұрын

@@gamerswemeetagain2613 Norse Republics of America

@Lord-Of-Bread

4 жыл бұрын

The norse typically carried a customized knife on them at all times. I believe in one of the sagas someone is recognized because of their knife

@gamerswemeetagain2613

4 жыл бұрын

@@vulpura oh didn't even think of that. Nice

What if the Kingdom of Soissons survived? Basically the Soissons was a rump state and it was disconnected from the rest of the Western Roman Empire. Eventually when Western Rome fell, the Soissons held out. It would be interesting to see if they actually survived more than they did.

I wonder what the modern world would look like if the Vikings stayed in America. Would it be more advanced? Less? Better than the states we know today?

@doublesalopetoimcre

2 жыл бұрын

less advanced for sure, both the north america and europe as well, or maybe, because north america is not really worth the effort, south america becomes invaded and developed by europeans, and the usa and canada shifts to south america. :D

@cinnamon-skateboarding5987

2 жыл бұрын

@@doublesalopetoimcre you gotta wonder, how would history change if the Vikings stayed in North America? I can see the native population being much bigger in the modern day, through peace deals with Vikings and natives. I could see the U.S being much more ergonomic, with less emphasis in individualism and more in the general community. The U.S being a super power wouldn't exist, it probably wouldn't even be called the U.S. Slavery wouldn't have happens to the extent it was in our history.

What if the japan decided to colonize America after they got into contact with Portugal and the Netherlands.

@the11382

Жыл бұрын

Only after the Sengoku period, Japan was too fractured.

What if Germany kept its Pacific protectorates

@Retravox

4 жыл бұрын

You're literally in the comment section of most videos I've watched! You're literally everywhere!

@MonsieurDean

4 жыл бұрын

Kim Jong-un is everywhere.

@aperson5876

4 жыл бұрын

@@Retravox you telling me the great leader of best and true korea cant be everywhere at once?

@charlesnapoleon9070

4 жыл бұрын

Would be only possible, if Germany won WW1

This could do with a part 2. I would like to know if our Skyrim would retake Scandinavia?

We want a part 2 of this, for sure

I kinda wish this was the true History, who else wish so ?

Interestingly, despite impact of Norse settling being minor, it's believed to have initiated the Anishinaabe Migration, created many tribes that exist today

I cannot believe you don’t even have 100k subscribers. All of your content is so professional and amazing. Keep up the good work

What if Tecumseh's resistance succeeded?

Will you be making a part two for this scenario?

Consider also that the Norse would have brought several of the plagues that decimated the Americas centuries later in the real timeline. So though they might face initial difficulties, as smallpox and other diseases ravaged the local populations, the Norse would benefit by less competition.

@the11382

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but over time the natives would somewhat recover.

@adamskeans2515

9 ай бұрын

@@the11382 and when the rest of Europe got in on the game, the survivors would have recuperated their losses and had some immunity

@the11382

9 ай бұрын

@@adamskeans2515 Any chance the Vikings would have mixed with the natives, creating an "Indo-Norse" people?

Not sure if you'll see this, but I have a proposal: What if the US never left the Moon(as in, they didn't stop sending people to the Moon after 1972)?

@doodsalot270

4 жыл бұрын

Probably the private companies would have existed by the 90s and we might have more than one ISS, with current plans on science bases on the moon, with Mars colonization being the new dream that the experimental bases are being developed for in the long term

@michaelfoulkes9502

3 жыл бұрын

We probably did continue to send people to the moon. They just made it a black project.

@leJpeg

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelfoulkes9502 Interesting theory. Wouldn't be too surprised if that were the case though.

@alessiodecarolis

2 жыл бұрын

The sad thing is that the space program was the first victim of the various cuts that were made after the disastrous economical situation in the early'70s, expecially with the immense waste of money in Vietnam, I read that a single year of war burned more resources than the whole space program from 1960 to 1972!😢

Was just thinking about Vinland today so i was

@Slapnuts9627

3 жыл бұрын

Even your comment is Irish.

Part two??? Please this is so saucey I love it

*captures Chicago five times

I'm new to your channel and I don't know if you return to these scenarios, but I really hope you come back to this one. I binged watched a lot of these, and I find this one to be the most interesting idea, I think it would be interesting to see how you would have things progress from the end of this on.

This video was awesome!

As a 22nd Generation NorseMan I am proud of my Heritage we made it to the new world.

One of your best!

Finally some quality videos

i like this video it gaves me a game idea for ck2 to eu4 kudos bro

What if Wilhelm let Leopold take the spanish throne in 1870 and was actually on time for the coronation

nice work

The most interesting part of this to me is how the early introduction of domesticated animals to the americas as a result of this would effect the native americans

Just thought of an interesting idea that the St Lawrence river would be name the Heimdall river as Heimdall was the protector and keeper of the rainbow bridge that connected the nine realms and the St Lawrence river connects to the Great Lakes I think it fits pretty well.

Notification Squad anyone?

Please make a part 2!

States resulting from intermixing between Natives and Norse would have also existed. Not to mention, through interactions with the Norse, some Natives night have acquired knowledge about metallurgy, domesticated animals and some resistance to diseases, which would allow them to expand south.

I just finished Vinland Saga S1, so finding this video was perfect timing

Very good

Awesome video; I wonder how much exploration the Vikings would have done. If, after the settlement of the northern part of America, maybe they still water a better environment so they could have possibly coasted south and perhaps found new tropical places and cultures.

Could you please make a sequal to this video, picking up where you left off here, to show what moght have happend in the longrun?

Can you pls make a part 2 of this.

"Ah shit here we go again" - a european explorer seeing a viking in america probably

For the next part of this growing series. What if the Norse did integrate their communities with the natives? (The starts of the republic of Vinland). And then European colonial efforts had to come in conflict with an organized Vinland and a native population that had, had their immune systems introduced to the European biomes before.

@erikrungemadsen2081

2 жыл бұрын

I think cultural melding would be way more likely in this version since the polyteistic religion would easier allow for it. Also the lacking influx of new settlers would probably force it upon the Norse at some point.

For April Fool's please make What if Joshua Norton became emperor of the USA, it is time for the US to show the UK who is the real empire.

Honestly quite incredible

Was a little sad when you mentioned the interactions with other cultures there was no mention of the norse interactions with the sami people, as the sami and natives in north america do have a fair few similarities in terms of both having shamanism and some other things. Though the main positive interaction between the sami and the norse was the sami building them boats so maybe it isn't really important

North America would definitely have history of epic warriors with swords.

You should expand on some of these

Yo, how do you make your maps? They are really cool looking!

the Flag for this episode is nothing short of Genius!

There is a possibility that these Vikings and natives would see their mutual interest in combine defense against the incoming invaders the old saying they hang together or hang separately.

@AndrewTheMandrew531

4 жыл бұрын

Marcos Toledo also combine the fact that Iron and horses brought by the Norse settlers would’ve been spread to the other native tribes. Also the fact that the Vikings and the Natives would’ve intermixed. A nightmare for the European settlers using muskets.

@DameOfDiamonds

4 жыл бұрын

Nope in almost e vry encounter with the siberians it would always end in bloodshed, for them too get along is impossible instead the vikings would have probably wipes the Siberians off the face of the earth

To answer what if vikings stayed in America: video starts at 12:57

I sometimes wish your videos had part 2s.

What if Monsieur Z did a playthrough of a Paradox game?

@potatodirt4244

4 жыл бұрын

That will be epic

What if Harold Godwinson somehow defeated the Norman invasion and what would the future of England would look like after the events of 2 invasions on the isle?

"king of the wood" by john maddox roberts is an excellent novel on the subject

Can u re upload ww2 stalemate part 4 pleas I want to finish the series

What if the Norse kindoms never forgot about their expats, but continued trade routes with Norse America?

"Norse--americans" I like that😊😊😊

New England would’ve been an entirely different ballgame if there were a bordering nation of Vikings thumbing around to the north. Stay well out there everybody, and Jesus Christ be with you friends.😊

Yay! The Minnesota Runic Stone would be genuine then!

I see this going vaguely as follows: 5 to 15 thousand norsemen arrive over a 20 year span to preserve the old ways. By the 50th year after their first settler fleet they have lost at least a third of their population to small diseases, conflict with the local tribe, one or two small Norwegian invasions, famine, etc. The following century sees general growth as they dominate the surrounding half dozen or more native tribes that were crippled by disease and lacked the technology to make up for it but still aggressively defended their territory. Some tribes become trading partners that likely even join the Norse in wars against old rival tribes. The Norse adjacent tribes are converted to a hybrid culture heavily influenced by Nordic belief, tradition, and technology, they utilise Viking livestock and craftsmanship to expand their own territory alongside the Norse. Maybe these Norsemen and their allies have collectively secured more land than all of Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, and the British isles by the 200 year mark following the first settlement. By such a time the majority of that land is Norse controlled with their farming, fort towns, horses, literacy, and Nordic industry allowing them to rapidly grow into the ethnic majority by far for this loose and inconsistent alliance that is now expanded to the Great Lakes and well into Canada and the warm coast southeast of the Appalachians. By the 3rd century they have annexed those allies and formed something like the Kievan Rus around their true holdings. Taking over nobility in many tribes and often converting most of their people to Norse, the tribe gaining the lands of any neighbour that hadn’t submitted, joining a greater trade system as a largely autonomous territory that, along side many others, fuels the wealth, trade, development and overall power of the norsemen. This Kievan Rus 2.0 operating as a secure trade system to work with the wealthy city states and empires of Central America. The central area covering the Great Lakes, much of Ontario eastwards, and south along the Appalachian into the Carolinas of out timeline is all majority Norse culturally, religiously and ethnically. The lands spanning as far as Texas and into the Great Plains now broken into hundreds of native majority states, the closer to the Norse, the more developed, more culturally and linguistically Nordic, and higher amount of still low Norse minorities. The further away the more autonomous but militaristic with soldiers from the inner regions often on the outskirts to maintain security for trade and cultural assimilation. This system being the one present by the arrival of iberians in the Americas. European arrival would allow the Norse leadership to push hate towards the Christian invaders as the true enemy to divert the discontent and rebelliousness of many tribes and any unhappy norsemen. The colonial powers working as a scapegoat for further unification of many highly assimilated tribes and record level centralisation of the core kingdom. The Norse will likely lose control west of the southern majority of the Louisiana river as enemy groups of natives join with Europeans to tear away any Norse presence/influence there and secure everything to the south for colonial growth. While the iberians likely see them as a mere inhibitor of further expansion that needs to be dislocated from the more controllable majority of the Americas, following powers like Britain, france, and the Dutch would have a more vested interest in weakening what they’d see as the remnant of the Vikings, their old enemies. The Norse would have comparable industry, shipbuilding and weapons to these powers by the time they can make a genuine effort in attacks, due to the Norse having generations to replicate the advances of the Spanish enough that reverse engineering British technology in subsequent conflicts would take very minimal time. I think by the time they stop losing any land to the European powers, the Norse would have lost parts of Florida, any remaining control over the Caribbean and west of the Louisiana, but been too strong and self sustaining to lose anything else as they only get stronger and more advanced with every year of contact with Europe. They may even push through the northeast at some point to secure the west coast from around Oregon northwards to cut off any orthodox Russians and reduce catholic expansion northward by an at that time independent Mexico. The wars against europeans would have caused drastic changes to the Norse nation, masses of native Americans from anywhere north of Yucatan immigrating away from the imperialists to join the war against such forces. The internal territories far more centralised, possibly into something close to a collection of states with the Nordic rules and ethnically dominant ones making up the slight majority of the land and the others working as locations to direct native immigrants and Europeans escaping their overseas governments for whatever reason. These “states” would likely split off once the colonial threat is no longer imminent, breaking away into a small southern native country and comparable nations in the northwest and west, the 60% or greater remaining land including all the most developed, centralised, militarised, and majority Norse, newly reformed and refined nation. Subsequent wars may be enacted by this loose union of religiously pagan states against Mexico and to take islands in the Caribbean. By 1850 the Nordic country likely has annexed most of the small breakaways to hold northern and eastern North America and absorbed most of the Americas into a sphere of influence with the core goal of anti foreign sentiment, anti Christian, and long term increased unification of the Americas under their leadership, language, religion, and alphabet. Interesting thinking where such an Americas plays into international politics following 1800, especially with how the British refocus their expansions in other directions far earlier on, and how this may change World War One and everyone from the 20th century onwards at such extreme levels. Given the extreme anti colonial sentiment, it’s possible they would be open to a Germanic alliance with the German empire for ww1 depending what the Germans are willing to agree to, otherwise the Americas would surely be neutral. So many things in this to explore and so many infinite, highly intriguing divergence points constantly from their settlement onwards.

Mr. Z, any chance you could increase the volume of your videos? I have to crank my stereo up to hear a lot of what you're saying, especially in this video.

@MonsieurDean

4 жыл бұрын

I've tried a few things, but it seems I'll probably just need to pick up a new mic at some point.

May I make a suggestion what if the two Harolds had come to the realization they being played off against each other. They put the word out that one had slain luring William of Normandy into a trap and defeating him. They then revive a loose confederation among England and Scandinavia which has the effect of aiding Greenland, in the long run, I leave out to you flesh out this scenario.

This would be a great historical fiction novel /movie.

As long as they use the flag in thumbnail I'd be ok with it. That's a cool flag man.

What if FDR survived to serve his 4th term?

@MrMirville

7 ай бұрын

Social rights as developed under the New Deal would have been enshrined as new Constitutional Amendments. That was his intention. The neocons would have been centrists, not neoconservatives.

I need to make Beyond Vinland. The ultimate Caribbean Viking and Island Management simulator.

can you make an alternate history where québec joined the us in the figth for indépendence or if québec won the rebelion of 1837

PART 2!!!

At 1:03, it's 'hazier' not 'more hazy.' Most 2-syllable adjectives take -er/-est in the comparative/superlative.