I really enjoy ur content JJ and even tho I'm a liberal and lean more to a Bernie Sanders political stratagies than your conservative views , I really love your videos . I get such a different perspective on topics and I think it is good to see all sides of the political spectrum and to not close one self off to just seeing the one view and it's good to see you ,a conservative ,conduct your respectful views and I find myself agreeing with u at times. Keep up the work .❤️❤️

@wm7019

5 жыл бұрын

#socialismsucks Lol ima leave this up but cuz it still gets hella attention I wrote this when I was like 14 or 15 and a libertarian/ Neo con, im now a right wing populist/ paleocon

@chefppy277

5 жыл бұрын

WM70 me ca’nt spull tudey

@owenmaupin

5 жыл бұрын

@david white Why the fuck would I give my extra money to a government that will just use it to pay military contractors. I'd be happy to pay half the amount I pay for heathcare in taxes rather than put up with this "free market" heathcare system we've got going on.

@ooonyxxx

5 жыл бұрын

david white Sanders is a Capitalist. He just has social leanings. Also, why the actual fuck would giving money to the IRS, the tax collecting agency to one of the most anti-left governments in the world, equate to Socialism????

@mghonor3135

5 жыл бұрын

Can the replies calm the fuck down

"central right" on the left of the screen "central left" on the right of the screen. my dissapointment is unmeasurable and my day is ruined

@xmus4023

5 жыл бұрын

Didn't know that Reviewbrah had a politics channel.

@user-vm9xz4kv9z

5 жыл бұрын

Literally unwatchable!

@jimmyoneill580

5 жыл бұрын

It's because he is putting centre right on his right

@chezzeduck1105

4 жыл бұрын

You wouldn't be able to survive danish politics.

@user-vm9xz4kv9z

4 жыл бұрын

@@chezzeduck1105 why?

“I imagine a trendy businessman like Micheal Bloomberg coming along” that didn’t age well

@Crusader-tg1wx

4 жыл бұрын

r/agedlikemilk

@jagothegamer5750

4 жыл бұрын

*I'M MIKE BLOOMBERG AND I WANT TO BUY YOUR ELECTION*

@rezajafari6395

4 жыл бұрын

@@jagothegamer5750 he apparently decided not to

@Rasnir

4 жыл бұрын

"Trendy", the worst part about billionaires is that hey are like the most boring assholes on the planet... they dont make their billions with crazy complicated get-rich-schemes, but with the most boring corporate politics and tax-dodging that this reality allows. GODDAMN BORING BILLIONAIRES.

@ComradeHellas

3 жыл бұрын

Bad pick for a businessman centrist party leader, my guess would be Young or Musk. Also why no Libertarians?

israel : more than 10 political parties Brazil: 70 parties and only 20 of them actually try to win elections

@yuvalgabay1023

2 жыл бұрын

This is baisecly isreal to. We have also like 20+ PARTYS WHIT LIKE LESS THAN 100 VOTES EACH

@avaneeshkhadye6816

2 жыл бұрын

India: How about 2698 parties?

@sirsmiles1915

2 жыл бұрын

France has like, about 300,but the majority also don't run for the elections

@ipadair7345

2 жыл бұрын

@@avaneeshkhadye6816 but it ain't proportional, it's constituent based. Also proportional syatem isn't fully democratic, for example if the canditate you chose gets less than some percentage of votes they don't get selected. So I think that they should introduce numbered choice system into proportional aswell, so you can choose which candidates you support in which order, if one's favourite party is the animal party, but they only get a pelican amount of votes, but they are olay with the avian party which is far less radical. Basically proportional voting doesn't fully solve the problem it's meant to.

@avaneeshkhadye6816

2 жыл бұрын

@@ipadair7345 I never said that proportional is the best or that the Indian system is proportional

Hi! So I’m Latino, and I don’t think a Latin party could ever exist in that form...least not to the left. If it were it MUST be center with people from both sides. The latin community is so diverse culturally and politically much more so than the African Americans in the US

@DoctorCyan

2 жыл бұрын

The only reason why ethnicities in the USA are percieved as more left leaning is because the Democrats are the party that have most successfully spoken to them. African Americans are more moderate socially than their voting patterns would imply, and Latinos would undoubtedly be very conservative, like white christians outside a few key issues

@red2theelectricboogaloo961

2 жыл бұрын

yeah cubans would have to somehow get together with mexicans, cubans being very conservative and mexicans being markedly more liberal. there's also colombians [who presumably lean conservative], central americans [who presumably lean left], and probably brazilians [who probably lean left, but could also lean right depending on if my "calculations" (guesses) are correct]

@sebastionkeller7791

2 жыл бұрын

@@red2theelectricboogaloo961 most of Latin American leaders are conservative or cult of personalities...most are right-leaning, its the younger people and those with American ties that are often thought of as left

@red2theelectricboogaloo961

2 жыл бұрын

@@sebastionkeller7791 oh,

@RatedRJerichoFan

2 жыл бұрын

Just to note, not all African Americans agree with everything politically. The same way not all Latinos agree politically. Best to say the only African Americans that WOULD join the AAPP (if it existed) would be those in urban centers. A lot of other AA's lean more conservative, but not all the way if that makes sense

I feel like Andrew Yang would make the "trendy centrist party" now

@HonestObserver

4 жыл бұрын

He's definitely trendier than the other two businessmen mentioned.

@Smash_ter

4 жыл бұрын

I don't believe he's a centrist, but he's more of a motivator

@squeaky9715

4 жыл бұрын

@@Smash_ter he definitely is along with biden. Biden is actually more center-right.

@squeaky9715

4 жыл бұрын

@daniel yehoshua he's pretty far right but ok.

@cgmason7568

4 жыл бұрын

Lol he said Bloomberg who is like way farther left than Biden

Imagine having to choose your party and your candidate This post was made by the Worker's Party of Korea

@spencer4679

3 жыл бұрын

These guys are getting scammed having to do that aren't they

@tlowry6338

3 жыл бұрын

the dprk has three major parties...

@prexp9026

3 жыл бұрын

@@tlowry6338 Wait Really!? How does that work?

@tlowry6338

3 жыл бұрын

@@prexp9026 they have the Workers Party of Korea, the Korean Social Democratic Party, and the Chondoist Chongu Party. Together they make up the Democratic Front for the Reunification of the Fatherland

@obiwankenobi4252

3 жыл бұрын

@@tlowry6338 they are all in coalition together. They might as well be one party

There would most likely be an agrarian party like in Norway serving farmer interests, being centrist ideologically (economic market liberal, and slight lean progressive socially) but very into farmer interests. i.e Farmer's Party. If not because of the size of farmer's in America, it also makes sense historically since IIRC there was farmer interest parties elected in the past in America on the local level and farming politics has always been on the agenda of both Democratic and Republican parties, with Reagan dedicating a portion to it in his infamous "Time for Choosing" speech and JFK answering questions about it during the Nixon debate.

@porsche911sbs

Жыл бұрын

There used to be a farmer's party in the US, the Populist Parties. It was a very influential 3rd party during the 1890s. But today there aren't many farmer's in the US.

@pre-debutera6941

Жыл бұрын

Most farmers in America are socially conservative and fiscally centrist. I see most of them just joining in with the Christian party.

@bruhbutwhytho2301

Жыл бұрын

It wouldn't clear the vote margin.

@ashtoncarriveau3880

Жыл бұрын

It seems like something that would be alot more popular on the state level similarly to how Mormons couldn't get 3.25% nationally, but dominate Utah. I could see a Corn belt party being somewhat popular.

@adamheuer8502

Жыл бұрын

It seems more likely it would just be an economically left wing but socially Conservative party that would appeal to poor rural areas without being explicitly farmer centric

I hope to see more cities and states adopt 'ranked choice' voting. Maine has starting to use this way of voting and it helps eliminate run offs.

"As you can see, Israel is full of parties..." Brazilian politic system: "Amateurs, we have 32"

@bolisboktr589

4 жыл бұрын

Egyptian political system: we have over 100

@ostrobothnian9995

4 жыл бұрын

@Levis. H Salvini is headed to become a leader of a rightwing govt. With proportional representation. Portugal is pretty much dominated by social democrats and lefter.

@ostrobothnian9995

4 жыл бұрын

@Levis. H and Coalitions can ignore the economic axis like in Germany with Social Democrats and Christian Democrats

@senseiadam-brawlstars9465

4 жыл бұрын

Basically, the best system is Germany's, where it's MMP, with both districts & proportional representation, where the threshold is 5%, or win 3 districts to get proportional representation.

@billyaepicgamer8642

4 жыл бұрын

@Levis. H Well yeah. Incentivize having to form these coalitions and America won't be as polarized anymore. Most countries are multiparty because it works so dang well while us Americans and Brits are stuck in 1790.

I would have added libertarians, but loved the video

@andrewjohnstone7943

5 жыл бұрын

Same. Replace Catholic party with libertarians and I agree with the video

@inversion9651

5 жыл бұрын

The Libertarian party are the third largest party in America following by the Green Party. The two already have some influence. JJ forgot the already existing big minor parties. If America would change into a multi-party system, transcending the votes to the minor parties would take several or more years since that people will still cling on to two majors to prevent the other major party from winning. Change could still happen as with Americans getting sick and tired of the two parties, but it's a slow process. The change to a multi-party system could be real if Americans are really sick and tired of their two-party system. The party that would probably most benefit (although i'm not in support of them) would be the libertarian party since it's the next right-leaning party in line for the anti-Trump republicans and moderates. They would probably take near half the votes of the GOP since they'll get many moderate votes.

@phoenixellis3817

5 жыл бұрын

Ahmed Ahmed as a libertarian myself, I agree, but the libertarian party gets votes from some moderate democrats also, not just from republicans

@sammckeown3561

5 жыл бұрын

+

@treekilleruuu

5 жыл бұрын

I've thought about this and I think they would mostly vote for the now, pro-choice, pro-LGBT Republican party

Some other parties I imagine may end up existing could be a party centered around LGBTQ rights, a far more powerful Libertarian party, and a centrist party mostly concerned with the development of science/technology

I really like this, I've always thought it was strange that we think we can just categorize people's political beliefs into one of only two parties. I think it makes so much more sense to have more parties (or maybe no parties) and I think through different parties having similar beliefs on a topic, we'd still make progress in government

@JaredConnell

2 жыл бұрын

It is actually very stupid to have a two party duopoly like we have now because most people blindly follow and vote for whoever is running under their party no matter what their actual policies and plans are. And the worst part is they base their decision on very few issues that they feel very passionate about but ignore everything else. So people let their stance on abortion, same sex marriage, and the death penalty pick their vote for them.

@cityheron7106

Жыл бұрын

with no parties coalitions tend to form, like in iran. and without official post designation, the ruling coalition restricts the other one’s ability to influence the government

@Godgod-wdadadawdawdawdwad

10 ай бұрын

i don't understand, what will segregating a nation even further with this different parties will help the country as whole? i don't think USA should center around different culture and their values but rather around same universal American values somewhat assimilated culture.

Multiple political parties without including The Bull Moose Party? Heresy

@obiwankenobi4252

5 жыл бұрын

*BULLY INTENSIFIES*

@jcon5698

4 жыл бұрын

That would probably be the socialists or the greens

@ArcturusOTE

4 жыл бұрын

@@obiwankenobi4252 A Challenge! I love competition

@edwardedward3727

4 жыл бұрын

Yayo' Ariowibowo Now where would i mount the stuffed head of a winston

@chrismarco17

4 жыл бұрын

@@ArcturusOTE Now where would I mount the stuffed head of a Winston?

You missed Regional Parties. In such a big Nation, there'd definitely be separate Regional Parties for Texas, the South, California, the Midwest etc.

@dodec8449

5 жыл бұрын

Especially the South would have it's own party.

@thomaskole9881

5 жыл бұрын

On that note, parties with independence of the respective state, kinda like the Scottish National Party. I imagine that they would have an established base in states with a more outspoken regional identity, like California or Texas.

@Joseph-li3df

5 жыл бұрын

I really can't see that happening. Usually regional parties represent regions with completely different culture than the rest of the country, and America is just too culturally homogeneous for that.

@ericsilver9401

5 жыл бұрын

@@Joseph-li3df not entirely, I live in Texas and from visiting and staying in places like Oregon, New York, California and such it's very apparent that every state/region has a different cultural identity and political preference

@Joseph-li3df

5 жыл бұрын

I'm not saying there aren't cultural differences, but they're all ultimately different shades of American culture, unlike in the UK or India for example, where the different cultural groups have different histories, different languages, and often completely different ways of life. What region in the U.S. is different enough from the mainstream to warrant an entire political party to defend their culture and ways of life?

I am shocked at how unbiased for any political party this sounds and is really interesting altogether to think what if things were different

@WHATTHEHELL666

2 жыл бұрын

that is because he is canadan

@porsche911sbs

Жыл бұрын

JJ is center-right (conservative liberal) but yeah his videos are very neutral.

@k-sooyaalove206

Жыл бұрын

@@porsche911sbs you mean economically right and socially left?

@porsche911sbs

Жыл бұрын

@@k-sooyaalove206 sure

@truedarklander

Жыл бұрын

​@@k-sooyaalove206 no, that isn't what conservative-liberalism is.

5% of comments: compliments 5% of comments: cool ideas 90% of comments "bUt LibErTArIaNs!!!"

@synthify6349

2 жыл бұрын

libertarians big mad that they aren't as popular as they think they are

I'm Dutch and you should see our 26 political parties.

@mricardo96

5 жыл бұрын

With lots of unnecessary and insane parties

@TheBoeBoeBa

5 жыл бұрын

@@mricardo96 animal rights party lmao

@ZaeraeWasTaken

5 жыл бұрын

Thats low to south Africa (South africa has 48)

@Minecraftzocker135

5 жыл бұрын

Better have 26 than 2.

@debodatta7398

5 жыл бұрын

I'm from India you should see our 400

He didn't mention the Librtarian party. Their arguably the 3rd most powerful party

@coindorni

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure it would got bigger because there are sure a considerable porcentage of Republican are like kind of conservative libertarians, which would make it a little bigger I think.

@uriargaman7241

3 жыл бұрын

I think he did not do that cause these kinds of parties usually do not clear the threshold. Think how many of their current supporters would opt for the other options.

@thegeneralissimo470

3 жыл бұрын

*grumbly snek noises

@x_owen.ms_2020

3 жыл бұрын

We try to forget about them. Bit embarrased

@lukelagnese3971

3 жыл бұрын

uri argaman I disagree he didn’t bring up a single party that any libertarians would support. They ofc wouldn’t like the Republican Party, and then he just brought up religious parties whom libertarians would never vote for, and then a white nationalist party, whom again would get no libertarian support.

In order to decide a "suitable" president in a multi-party or national proportional system, there would definitely need to be a different voting system that can accommodate for such a system unlike how it works with only two, and it would most likely involve a preferential ranking of the candidates. I think the dynamic of having separate voting systems for the executive and legislative branches would be pretty interesting

@diegoyuiop

2 жыл бұрын

Brazil has proportional representation for the congress and two round system for the President

@MrCubFan415

Жыл бұрын

CGP Grey has an excellent series of videos about voting systems

@theuglykwan

Жыл бұрын

I think for executive voting systems should be ones that help moderates. For legislative use ranked voting and multi member districts.

As a country in which we have dozens of parties and even before watching the video I can tell it always comes down to 2 parties in the end of the day, and it rarely changes

@RalfAnodin

Жыл бұрын

Which country are you from? If you’re in Brazil the “bipartism” comes from the presidential election, because you only elect one person and there’s a run-off, you end up having some kind of bipartism, even though the Parliament is elected by proportional representation. In Portugal the President does not have as much power as in Brazil but still there is the same logic. Plus the election of the Parliament is not very proportional in Portugal (compared to Germany, Netherlands or Denmark for example) because there are many small constituencies.

You made the Russian immigrant party sound small when it’s the third biggest party

@ticketthedog3781

3 жыл бұрын

In Israel it isn’t that would be Joint List at least pre BW implosion

@RandomGuy-hx6pj

3 жыл бұрын

Hey. I like your name :D

@uriargaman7241

3 жыл бұрын

It is currently relatively small. Tied for sixth place with 7 out of the 120 seats (there have been some turmoil and splintering in our politics since this video was released). At the time of the release, it was seventh with 5 seats - undoubtly small, barely above the threshold (which is a big reason why they emphasized their secular stance and took the country to two more election cycles)

@hangukhiphop

3 жыл бұрын

Oh god don't tell Hillary Clinton!

@aratichoudhary2301

3 жыл бұрын

Joint list(arab party) is the third biggest party

The US has also a significant libertarian presence compared to other countries

@jcon5698

5 жыл бұрын

Not saying there wouldnt be such a thing as a libertarian party but I think that kind of thought is under the sphere of the conservatives and far right so it'd be competing for its base

@aarons9701

5 жыл бұрын

JCON I mean as a libertarian I doubt I’d ever vote for a conservative politician, unless they were an explicit libertarian.

@franciscojcsa6127

5 жыл бұрын

It's the strongest of any country. The only other country where they have any sort of clout is brazil with the "new party"

@franciscojcsa6127

5 жыл бұрын

@Stephanie Yung I would say it became a kinda fascist-ish corporatist rascist group of youtubers and insane neoconservatives

@franciscojcsa6127

5 жыл бұрын

Derben Leyla I live in Brazil. The BBC is a minor weird foreign type channel here. I don’t watch the BBC.

This was a really neat video. Thank you for making it and doing the research to figure out when they might have gotten started.

That bit about the speakers getting booted out aged so well.

"Imagine this Congress trying to elect a president" Welcome to the german Bundestag.

@hfelici

3 жыл бұрын

Thats the Hitlers way of getting to power. Terrible idea the list system.

@timopeukert1301

3 жыл бұрын

@@hfelici umm... no Hitler came to power not in Germany's current political System, but in the Weimar Republic, which had some major loopholes for emergency situations that Hitler used to get to power. All of them are not present any more in current day Germany. Please do your research before saying stuff like this.

@hfelici

3 жыл бұрын

@@timopeukert1301 Weimar Republic was the first big country to use this terrible proportional representation system. A system that broke the hundreds years old one district, its representative, still active in USA and UK. It was in Germany where the best jurists in the world debated the new multiparty system. The defenders of PRS won. Gerhard Leibholz said "The will of the majority of parties is identified with the general will of the people **without** mixing elements of representation". That is, with the new system REPRESENTATION is dead, there is only IDENTIFICATION. Rousseau's dream they said. PRS gives all power to a handful of oligarchs who must agree (find consensus). Hitler took advantage of that. This is not the case in USA or UK. Today Germany is a peaceful and stable political oligarchy. To really know about these issues, meet Antonio García Trevijano. ISBN-13 : 978-0761848561

@thatrocksong

3 жыл бұрын

@@hfelici Germany has a mixed system. In an election we have 2 votes. The first one is for a candidate from the district and the other one for a party, going into the proportional system. Therefore, about half the seats get handed out the same way as in America and about half the seats following PRS.

@greywolf7577

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know why he assumed that the US would still use the Electoral College. It could have a popular vote with an Instant Runoff Election to allow for a single person to get the support of the majority, even if it is their second or third choice.

I'm surprised that the Libertarian Party wasn't included in this.

@player276

5 жыл бұрын

I would argue it would die down pretty fast after people started seeing it actually try to do something and failing miserably.

@dl2839

5 жыл бұрын

@@player276 Well, the reason it isn't bigger is because politicians are statists who want to control people's lives. Everywhere where polices that oppose libertarian policies are enacted you see horrific failures such as Social Security, Public school, Public roads, and welfare. I would like take a look and see how statist policies fail miserably already.

@johnfortune9190

5 жыл бұрын

I was thinking about The Libertarian Party, I was waiting for it. But he did mentioned The Green Party.

@declannewton2556

5 жыл бұрын

@@Stotzism >tfw you realize the libertarians are mainly boomers.

@truedarklander

5 жыл бұрын

@@dl2839 Libertarians just are low-key corporationists. Lack of regulations just benefit Bic corporations and no one else

Damn. At some point I forgot that this was NOT about the Netherlands. Basically... it goes exactly like this here

“Trendy Centrists Party” my man just predicted Andrew Yang and the Forward Party

I think fuse the Christian and Catholic parties, then add a libertarian party, and this would be more accurate. Good video nonetheless.

@johnfrancisdoe1563

5 жыл бұрын

Intergalactic Human Empire Look at Germany. They have two Christian parties (Catholic and Protestant) that generally vote together nationally and avoid running in the same districts (in many proportional systems, district votes still affect what persons get elected for a party, and national leaders tend to formally run in whichever district maximizes their chance of getting a seat if their party gets any).

@brandonproductions8401

4 жыл бұрын

9:01 now technically this is where someone would introduce the Libertarian party but for some damn reason people consider another form of Socialism right wing politics aka Fascism

@scottkrafft6830

4 жыл бұрын

@@vantianhergheligiu12 I think that at this point since more and more people are going atheist by the day Christian parties realize they need to band together or face a fall into irrelevancy.

@robrocksea

4 жыл бұрын

Do You Even Know Why there are Protestant Churches? All Catholics are Christians, All Christians are not Catholic. Lets lump all the 'White People' and then everyone else into two different Parties.

@larryturtleking4495

4 жыл бұрын

@@robrocksea They aren't the same but are very similar and would share many of the same views on issues likely to vote the same too it would make sense to gain more voters rather than to split the vote.

Two things: there would *definitely* be a Libertarian party. There are a large number of them who either don't vote or vote inconsistently because they believe there's a fundamental problem with the two party system and don't want to be a part of it. Secondly, i think if we did move to this kind of system, we would probably just do away with the presidency and bicameral system altogether and rewrite the constitution such that we have a judiciary and a parliament and that's it (so basically what all the cool kids are doing). This is also why I don't think this would ever happen - having a new Constitution Convention during a time when America is so divided is just asking for trouble. No one would be happy, everyone would be pissed

@mirabeaux851

3 жыл бұрын

As for the presidency, scrapping the EC would make the congress issue null, lest we get a PM-style election but they become REEEALLY POWERFUL

@headcanon6408

3 жыл бұрын

We wouldn't need a whole new constitution, just an amendment that makes the House of Representatives proportional (and hopefully one altering or removing the electoral college). Countries like France do have presidents separate from their parliament. The whole thing would still be unlikely though as it would hurt the party elites who benefit from the current system, even though it would benefit most people. But I agree about the libertarians; they're already the third biggest party in the US after the Democrats and Republicans, and they would only get more votes in a multi-party system.

@moondust2365

3 жыл бұрын

I don't doing away with the Presidency and the bicameral system would be necessary. The Philippines (a former Spanish colony and former part of the American Commonwealth) has a multi-party system while still having a President and a bicameral system. Some of the Government is trying to move us to Federalism from Unitarianism via a Constitutional Convention (sometimes called ConCon here), but other than that, the current system works out. Considering the fact that America loves to hold onto tradition, there's a chance that the Republicans and maybe some conservative Democrats would try to stop any change to the constitution, especially one aiming to replace the Congress and Senate with a Parliament and the President with a Prime Minister, it's possible that such a change wouldn't happen. Especially since it's not really necessary.

@brokkrep

3 жыл бұрын

The Republicans are already in that place

@Thelaretus

2 жыл бұрын

Here in Brazil we have the privilege of enjoying a nice representative party, but sadly the bigger parties won't stop campaigning for its replacement with a US-inspired district system, and the mostly ignorant population almost goes along with it; most people I know think 'voto de legenda' is a bad thing. Our presidential system could still be improved, however, with a instant-runoff priority system instead of the current majority with separate runoff. Still, our system is far superior to the US's.

Left: Progressive(Social Dems), Green(Dem Socialists), Labor(Socialist) Right: Patriot(Originalist), Christian, Southern Pride(Alt right) Center/both: Conservative, Liberal, Reform, Liberty(Libertarian), Minority Rights

My preferred form of Proportional Representation is STAR PR (aka Allocated Score). We could use standard STAR voting for single-winner elections and STAR PR for multi-winner elections.

They would for sure have a veterans party and a libertarian party aswell

@JJMcCullough

5 жыл бұрын

Zach Lauzon Oh veterans party, that’s a good idea

@natemaster200

5 жыл бұрын

I could see a veteran's party doing well in the US, but it would probably have difficulty consistently reaching the Electoral threshold since the GOP would try to court veteran votes.

@glorytotheaprdeathtotheufl7917

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed, a eurocommunist/left populist party would also be possible

@stasikapetanos1395

5 жыл бұрын

​@@glorytotheaprdeathtotheufl7917 In the American context that'd basically be the socialist party.

@emiliobazzarelli4270

5 жыл бұрын

It would also be difficult because only 1 percent of Americans have served

How can you talk about small parties in the US and *NOT* mention the Libertarians?

@sodinc

5 жыл бұрын

it would be something alike "new trendy centrist" party but not

@JoCE2305

5 жыл бұрын

So it would be like if we split the Republican vote in the next election with 2 equally good candidates running the whole way through, and expecting the Republicans to still win with there vote split in half. It would be bad every time. Libertarians hold very similar views to some other named parties so they'd be splitting up voters of similar views.

@xbox_cheeto5338

5 жыл бұрын

I doubt a (strong) far right party would exist considering their base is far weaker, so why wouldn't a libertarian one? They hold pretty much the same influence as the christians do in the current republican party. I mean I see no reason why a conservative, far right, and christian conservative party would exist when a libertarian one would not, arguably being the most unique of the four listed here.

@cutecommie

5 жыл бұрын

It would be inside the new Republican party that doesn't contain the Christians and nazis anymore, wouldn't it?

@samuelthornton9179

5 жыл бұрын

Preferential voting would solve this

This has to be one of my favourite videos of yours. Very well thought out and a brilliant concept that most Americans don’t consider

Great video exposing me to the subject. Subscribed!

I actually feel like this would be a much better system. A lot less tribalism, more policy related interest groups. This also gives liberals and conservatives an easier time denouncing the more extreme elements of their side of the spectrum seeing as they’d no longer be politically tied to those people.

@nomnom2969

5 жыл бұрын

As someone living in a country with a multiple-party system, I can say that we have less political tribalism than the USA seems to have (going off of online news sources). I'd say we went a bit far with 28 parties to choose from in the 2017 election though😜.

@chargestone96

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah theres only 5 parties that arent only a few members here but its better that theres no false dichotimy and theres still 2 big parties at the centre that usually get the most votes

@jmeds94

4 жыл бұрын

Right because having more tribes available to choose from gives you less tribalism... what a joke. The two party system is the best available option BECAUSE it reduces tribalism as much as possible. It consolidates people who would likely have conflicting views into two large groups. That is a luxury. If you weren't able to unite with people you disagreed with, you would be at war with them and nothing would get done. You have to be able to have discussions with your enemies- period. If you think it would give a middle-ground party a better chance at getting into office, you may be right- but it all comes down to the individual elected. Finding a balance between left and right is an incredibly complex and psychologically challenging thing to do. The chances that a leader of such a party would be Christ-like is incredibly low and in all likelihood it would be the most corrupt, bureaucratic party out of the bunch. You may as well call the Centrist party the "Fake Party." The denouncement of radicals is still happening within both the republican and democrat parties. Just not during election time when they are trying to get votes. I agree that isn't necessarily good for the public, which is why it is important to uphold a culture of scoffing at politicians and upholding family values.

@hurricanemeridian8712

4 жыл бұрын

@@jmeds94 Sounds like you haven't looked at the concept of lobbying and bipartisanship yet

@jmeds94

4 жыл бұрын

Liam Fabry splitting into more parties increases the amount of lobbying that needs to be done. If you were to look at a chart you would see that as lobbying increases, the number of deals that are struck decreases. By decreasing the amount of lobbying necessary to achieve goals, more goals will be met. Bipartisanship is my whole point- THAT’S where we want to be, negotiating with our enemies. If you organize it so that two people are talking instead of 10, the agreement is made quicker.

Why do I think that Latinos would also join the Catholic party since most of Latinos are Catholic and, Latinos tend to be more conservative on some things. Love your videos!

@johnfrancisdoe1563

5 жыл бұрын

PaladinMapping Indeed, even in multiparty systems, group members are often split between voting for their special interest party or their overall political leanings. Just like current black US voters may be split between a black candidate with an unpopular policy and a white candidate with a popular policy.

@timtheus6318

5 жыл бұрын

Trump actually got a surprisingly large portion of the Latino vote in 2016. This shows that Latios tend to vote more conservative. This also matches up with poll datam

@TheMattHardyFan21

4 жыл бұрын

Its very plausible to think that if the Latino party was left wing, that conservative Latinos would vote for the catholic party, I even think they would be at least 2/5 of the caucus, as the Latinos who believe in other religions or are aetists is very small compared to catholic latinos who are the majority, so the Catholic Party would be very confrontational with the Latino Party, but they would share issues of mutual benefit to latinos, so it wouldnt be so strange to see them in the same coalition government even if they are at each other throats at campaining.

@paladinmapping9157

4 жыл бұрын

XMultiGames Agreed

@joshuathatcher8614

4 жыл бұрын

Recent immigrant Latinos would go for the Latino Party while the rest would go for the Catholic party, including most of the Florida Cuban population, IMO.

“Thought exercise” is a great word for it, bud. Definitely should be discussed a lil more often and seriously.

I think something like ranked choice voting would work better with this number of parties, Like everyone’s obviously going to rank themselves first but I can see the left and right parties coming together in the end and even maybe voting one of the little parties every once in awhile

I think that if the U.S. had this system, it would be better for the people, but worse for the politicians.

@dhu1919

4 жыл бұрын

Hence why we don't have it.

@saracen8441

3 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily. The entire midwest would probably see even less representation in every vote because of the population discrepancy.

@matheuss886

3 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily, Brazil has a THIRTY-THREE Party system and it mostly benefits politicians and members of the elite.

@IncredibleMD

3 жыл бұрын

Did you ignore the part about the political promises and alliances that parliamentary systems are forced to engage in to build coalitions? It'd be WAY better for the politicians... at least, those in the fringe groups like the communists and religious fundamentalists.

@LMvdB02

3 жыл бұрын

@Another NPC je stemt telt evenveel mee als ieder ander....

"So Israel had an election the other day" Little did he know...

@hungjury7482

4 жыл бұрын

We had a couple elections and a couple of other days

@hand587

4 жыл бұрын

Pick virtually any time in the past year and his statement would have been correct

@Rombrom.DerEchte

4 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment! Laughed So Hard, no irony😂

@uriargaman7241

3 жыл бұрын

Heading for another one come November. Brace youeselves! To americans, usually multi party systems are not that volatile. Especially if you keep the presidential system.

From the conservative perspective I’d say it look something like this: Republicans - establishment pro business, pro intervention neocons, socially moderate, classical liberalism Conservative - economically centrist, family first, socially conservative, immigration sceptic, intervention moderate, pro small business America First - anti intervention, economically nationalistic, anti immigration, populist Libertarian - economically and socially libertarian, constitutionalists, anti intervention

@shadedoom1261

2 жыл бұрын

Right wing libertarians are not real libertarians lol

@iluvmusicqwe

2 жыл бұрын

@@shadedoom1261 that's what a lolbert would say

@shadedoom1261

2 жыл бұрын

@@iluvmusicqwe You're not even aware that lolbertarian is a term we use for right wingers who call themselves libertarians lmao. I suggest you actually read political theory or at least look up influential thinkers like Joseph Déjaque and how libertarianism was coined as a left wing term for individualist theory, or Murray Rothbard, an Austrian economist, and how he literally admitted in 1971 that the right wing had then stolen the term from left wing schools of thought. Individuals cannot have actual personal liberties nor freedom from exploitation by tyranny without the expropriation of the means of production from that same tyranny. Authoritarians, be they the government or private interest enterprises, and oftentimes there is virtually zero separation between the two, will always seek to control and exploit laborers unless the laboring class is actually in charge of its own productivity, and industries and workplaces democratized as well. And right wing "libertarians" aren't even actually socially liberal. I used to be a very internet-active right wing "libertarian" myself, and a disgustingly large part of the community are just edgy racists, sexists, homophobes, etc. AT BEST most right wingers on that side of the spectrum are like, pro-weed and maybe ok with gay people but probably not trans people, but still oftentimes appeal to social authoritarianism/social absolutism. Right wing "libertarians" just wanna lick the boots of corporations in place of licking the boot of a theoretically democratic government, and it's pretty pathetic to watch the lot of them be completely incapable of defending any of their wacko economic or social ideas against actual educated criticism from real, left wing libertarians.

@iluvmusicqwe

2 жыл бұрын

@@shadedoom1261 You're a fan of Chomsky, I get it.

@shadedoom1261

2 жыл бұрын

@@iluvmusicqwe Not really. He has some pretty bad takes.

Proportional representation rules. When it comes to the presidential election, you could have French style 2-round system.

You forgot the one random pensioner party that always exists

@dinis8271

4 жыл бұрын

Alex Alexandrov that’s so true

@theobuniel9643

4 жыл бұрын

If John McCain was still alive, he might've led this small party.

@raptorcell6633

4 жыл бұрын

And the legalize weed party. My country has some random ass parties. We have a weed party, an internet party and a few other random ones.

@lucianlawson-foley5967

4 жыл бұрын

@@raptorcell6633 That's nothing compared to the UK's monster raving loony party

@lamichael8659

4 жыл бұрын

In israel it had 7 mandates once, which is very impressive

Bruh, really out here forgetting Libertarians

@georgeheld1901

3 жыл бұрын

Fr, if the parties split this way, the Libertarian party might be bigger than the Democrats or Republicans

@msfinm

3 жыл бұрын

@@georgeheld1901 Not necessarily. The current Libertarians and libertarian-minded Republicans might actually find their new home in these proposed parties. There's no denying that a lot of the support for libertarian style ideas come from the extremist types, who might ultimately consider the Culture Wars and the immigration, race and gun issues and the general anti-government stance more important than the economic aspects of libertarianism and so would vote for the Far-Right Party . The so-called Beltway Libertarians could gravitate towards the Republican Party (if they weren't voting for it already) to differentiate themselves clearly from the Far-Right and the Evangelical Christian Party. Some might even vote for the Centrist Party, as the Centrist parties in Europe are usually those that are ideologically "Classical Liberal" (or just "Liberal") and cater exactly to the educated, secular and moderate but at the same time economically quite conservative upper middle class. Some European Green parties have also gone down that path, even though they started as radical left-wing ecology parties, and I guess that the US Centrist Party, if it existed, would also swallow the current US Green Party. On the other hand, it is also perfectly plausible that the current Libertarian Party might absorb either the Far-Right extremists (and maybe few of the Evangelicals) or the Liberal Centrists along with Libertarian-leaning Republicans and become a large party in its own right.

@georgeheld1901

3 жыл бұрын

msfinm I feel as if the purest form of the Libertarian party, out from under the shadow of the Republicans, would really shine and gain a lot of support. Overall libertarians probably would still group together, as libertarianism as it is is a single issue party, (less government power) so it would be a bit hard to fracture it

@guillermogutierrez-santana4446

3 жыл бұрын

As he should, Libertarians hate this country and should move to Somalia if they hate living in a stable and fair nation.

@georgeheld1901

3 жыл бұрын

Guillermo Gutierrez-Santana II bruh wtf, you can like this country and want it to change, less government =/= anarchy

A latino party would do terribly in the US. Latinos are very divided politically, with mostly conservative cuban refugees in places like Miami, and more left wing or centre right mexicans, etc. Basically it wouldn't really work

Love these thought experiments, thanks JJ

A couple observations: 1) There was indeed a socialist party. And it sometimes won state elections. Talking about the hypothetical here is superfluous. 2) The socialist party had their stronghold in areas today seen less as urban, or liberal. 3) Also as mentioned often below, a Libertarian party would come out of big chunks out of both the Dems and the GOP. 4) Having a “trendy centrist” party that is distinct enough from a Libertarian party would help bring back the meaning of the word Liberal, as it is still used in other countries.

@andyh5064

3 жыл бұрын

I might be a little rusty on history, but there was a pretty big socialist movement in the south during the early 1900s. Many towns elected partisan socialist mayors even though many towns had rules to make it a non partisan position.Louisiana was the center of the movement. Funny how the pendulum swing works.

@truedarklander

3 жыл бұрын

@@andyh5064 Usually blacks tend to be more likely to be Socialists/critical of capitalism as the BPP, and the fact that MLK and Rosa Parks were both socialists show.

@muhilan8540

3 жыл бұрын

@@andyh5064 I might be wrong here but it was mainly based in the Midwest not the South. Milwaukee for example had a very successful socialist government. Eugene Debs was from Indiana for example. The famous Pullman strike happened in Illinois and so did the Haymarket affair.

@andyh5064

3 жыл бұрын

Miguel Laurito Civil Rights movements grew out of classical liberalism, very different from socialism. These socialist movements we are talking about occurred in the late 19th century very early 20th. It’s also important to note that Woodrow Wilson who was a major statist and self described “progressive” was heavily supported by the south. Though Wilson did some for black communities(much of that was not effective) it is well known he was a racist and believed in some pretty dangerous ideas.

@andyh5064

3 жыл бұрын

Muhilan Selvaa I did more research and found we are both correct. Such movements were not as prevalent in the Northeast. The movements thrived in the south and Midwest, which were both considered the most impoverished areas in the states at the time.

This isn't weird, this is pretty universal, except for the USA.

@benfromsk7740

5 жыл бұрын

Canada is the same as the USA. It isn’t proportional.

@redforest9269

5 жыл бұрын

The US actually has dozens of parties, but they never amount to anything.

@oscargillette9855

5 жыл бұрын

Third parties in USA get nothing done b/c of first past the post, and the spoiler effect, so we have two parties demanding competition in the market but working hard to maintain first past the post so they don’t have to deal with competition themselves.

@omgwtfbbqstfu

5 жыл бұрын

The universal is bad, the universal flaw is that non net payers vote, once that happens politicians buy votes, and then they figure out they can import them as well.

@Innengelaender

5 жыл бұрын

The UK also has a weird system which is not proportional but still has many different parties.

Just vote for them. Right wing: Constitution Party, Libertarian Party, American Independent Party Left wing: Greens, Peace and Freedom, Working Families Party And a bunch of others.

This is really cool! I would foresee an explicitly communist party possibly, but definitely a libertarian party as they already get 3+%.

@porsche911sbs

Жыл бұрын

Nah, communists could not get over 3%. They'd probably form the left side of the Socialist Party.

@minestar2247

5 ай бұрын

How would that work out during macarthism and the cold war?

I would guess there would be state separatist parties in certain areas, like Texas.

@Joseph-li3df

5 жыл бұрын

Texas separatism really isn't as popular as people think it is. According my own quick calculations, More than 39% of Texans would need to vote for a separatists party in order to win any seats in Congress. I seriously doubt there's enough support in Texas for that.

@ahumblemerchant241

5 жыл бұрын

YEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWWWWWW

@ahumblemerchant241

5 жыл бұрын

@@Joseph-li3df You Underestimate our Power.

@bootdude7527

5 жыл бұрын

It isn't popular here in Texas if you meet one you realize how much you actually like staying in the US.

@honeybee3269

5 жыл бұрын

Well, I said Texas because that is the first one I thought of

This would make American politics so much more straightforward and make so much more sense.

@shailenverma959

3 жыл бұрын

and yet so much more complicated when it comes to actually making decisions in congress.

@IchhabezuvielYoutubegegucktO_o

3 жыл бұрын

@@shailenverma959 But therefore you don't have party A making decisions and party B undo them 4 years later.

@shailenverma959

3 жыл бұрын

@@IchhabezuvielKZreadgegucktO_o I would rather some bills and laws get passed, while others are repealed later than no progress being made at all.

@IchhabezuvielYoutubegegucktO_o

3 жыл бұрын

@@shailenverma959 But why do you think there wouldn't be progress? If this would be true there wouldn't be progress in any democratic country except for the US.

@shailenverma959

3 жыл бұрын

@@IchhabezuvielKZreadgegucktO_o I don't mean it as no progress, my bad for the choice of wording. I mean the frequent standstill and stalemates that multiparty governments often get into. Such as Israel before the 6-day war, when they were forced to call a national emergency government because they knew nothing would get done without it.

I don't think the democrats would be center-left since there's not a center-left tradition in the US... they would probably be center since they are center-right or even right-wing economically and center-left socially. The socialists would probably have a center-left faction but I believe they would still be left-wing.

I feel that if something like this happened there would likely be a party for Texan Nationalist party or something like that in other states. The parties whole platform would be having their state be granted full independents from the US. Great video!

He gives Catholics AND Christians their own separate parties, but totally ignores libertarianism. That's Canada for ya.

@ReichX1000

3 жыл бұрын

Catholics are actually the original Christians and libertarians aren't that big maybe 10-15% atmost

@IncredibleMD

3 жыл бұрын

@@ReichX1000 Catholicism is unrecognizable from the original Christianity and libertarians are the biggest third party in America as-is.

@notdoneyet1361

3 жыл бұрын

@@IncredibleMD Read the writings of the original church fathers and evangelists who lived before the Roman Empire became Christian. Their theology and practices almost perfectly agreed with Catholic liturgy.

@ReichX1000

3 жыл бұрын

@@IncredibleMD Catholicism is the original sect of Christianity

@IncredibleMD

3 жыл бұрын

@@notdoneyet1361 Where did the church fathers tell you to pray to the corpses of saints?

Here's how I think it would be like Democrat: Center-left Republican: Center-right Progressive Party: Social Democracy more centralized government and Left-wing Green Party: Local Left-wing democracy Libertarian: Fiscally conservative but socially liberal Constitution Party: Right-Wing nationalist party, sort like the Trump Republicans

@SVC96.

3 жыл бұрын

But aren't democrats the water down version of Republicans and also your absolutely right about the constitution party it's sounds like it would be trump's kind of party he would be perfect for that party especially the policies that he runs on

@benmasclans4

3 жыл бұрын

@@SVC96. It's because of ultra-conservative Republicans forced the Democrats to the right. This is just my vision of a perfect party system. Republicans would be like the Republicans of the 1950s and '60s (Common sense center-right)and the Democrats would go from Centre to more center-left.

@qBeYcarpet

3 жыл бұрын

@@SVC96. yeah I agree democrats are just all talk when it comes to socialism. In reality almost nobody except Bernie Sanders is actually "Left wing" and he's pretty close to the center of the political spectrum as well

@Laz3rCat95

3 жыл бұрын

How I'd rank those in a ranked choice voting system: 1. Progressive Party 2. Green Party 3. Democrat 4. Libertarian 5. Republican 6. Constitution Party

@Joseph-li3df

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't the Constitution party more of a hardcore evangelical party? That's certainly how I've always thought of it

There would also be an Anime-Star Trek party, a Nascar-WWE party, an Amway-Avon-Tupperware coalition, and a Cajun secessionist party attempting to reverse the Louisiana purchase.

Honestly this would be a lot more interesting. Right now in America, while there ARE other parties, they tend to have so little power compared to the big two that they may as well not be there in government. I hope that changes one day.

Lots of European countries have a center-right 'Liberal Party'. You missed that.

@chandleredwards7397

5 жыл бұрын

That would essentially be our Republican Party in this scenario.

@nomnom2969

5 жыл бұрын

because those parties are "market liberals", which basically mean they're for small government, regarding economical policy

@nomnom2969

5 жыл бұрын

@@chandleredwards7397 correct

@gabrielkowalski3086

4 жыл бұрын

I think those parties are comparable to the libertarian party. He missed this one out as well.

@ayushchawdhary537

4 жыл бұрын

@@chandleredwards7397 I don't think so because most of republicans are far right conservative.

Technically the USA really has fifty political parties. The state you live in is more important than the country. But for some reason, nobody thinks about it that way.

@TuesdaysArt

2 жыл бұрын

And within those 50 states, the same two big political parties run supreme. A Republican in Tennessee wouldn't give a damn if the president was a Republican from Texas, all that matters to them is that the president is a Republican.

@historyeditz8326

2 жыл бұрын

Usa is duopoly only 2 parties came in power from more than 200 years.

I imagine there would also be a handful of very small secessionist parties in places like Texas and California. Obviously they'd get little federal success but might see more gains in the local house/senate elections

Brazil has 35. Make a video about brazilian politics

@guynehemia4029

5 жыл бұрын

Israel has like 40 but only 14 of them are relevant enough to get at least 3.25%

@fjusposting2103

5 жыл бұрын

Brazil in reality has 40 parties There is 10 more forming

@mlgsty8880

5 жыл бұрын

Finland has only like 20 and only 8 of them are parties that actually have voice, and out of those 8 only 3 have been the main players who usually run things (tho now new party has entered this new "main player" party group). New parties are created each year and parties dissappear.

@franciscojcsa6127

5 жыл бұрын

Yea it's a mess. There are 5 social democratic parties, 4 conservative parties, 2 far-right and 2 far-left parties and a dozen of shitty centrists.

@martinfawkes595

5 жыл бұрын

The uk has 14 political parties (that I can think of) and 10 of them currently have seats in parliament but only 2 have been in power or opposition since the 1920s (discounting the 2 coalition governments between 2010-15 and the current one.)

There would definitely be an agriculture/farmer-ranchers party. They would fight for subsidies and less environmental regulation, as well as general conservative social policies.

@zenfer

5 жыл бұрын

And their logo would have to be corn.

@seneca983

5 жыл бұрын

I first read "armed ranchers party". :D

Important note for future election talk in Israel and other countries who use the same system regarding 1:49: The number 2 candidate, Naftali Bennett became prime minister with only 5 seats in the Israeli Parliament (the Knesset) with his right leaning Orthodox Jews party Yamina (translates to right / right-er, depends on context), so while yes technically most of these people would dream to become the Prime Minister, it's more likely than we once thought.

Him putting the left on the right side of the screen is fucking with me lol

We in Germany have a party called "Die Partei" wich means the party. The whole party satire and they even one seats in the european parlament.

@sixknights2312

4 жыл бұрын

That's the trendy new centrist party there were talking about.

@Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer

4 жыл бұрын

*two seats

@kevinator5982

4 жыл бұрын

Hoffentlich ist bald Schluß mit dieser Partei, Protestparteien sind gut, aber eine Satire Partei? Die ernsthaft auch noch Geld bezuschusst bekommt?

@monkeyrevolution9189

4 жыл бұрын

​@@kevinator5982 Wähl Die Partei - sie ist sehr gut!

@SandipanNath123

4 жыл бұрын

Like the Rhino Party in Canada

This is a pretty good analysis, but the Libertarian Party would definitely make the top 10, especially in the limited government United States.

@lepidotos

3 жыл бұрын

it already makes the top 3

@trollinape2697

3 жыл бұрын

@@lepidotos Theyd be the biggest or 2nd biggest party imo, many republicans are libertarians as republicans are economically right and Im 100% sure a lot of liberals will choose the libertarians

@lepidotos

3 жыл бұрын

@@trollinape2697 I'm a liberal, I guarantee the Republicans wouldn't vote for the libertarian party because they're hyper-focused on their culture war thing.

@trollinape2697

3 жыл бұрын

@@lepidotos correct me if Im wrong since Im not really good at politics but I think many libertarians vote republicans simply for their economic policies

I’ve rewatched this video like 11 times now I love it, this is truly an award winning video

I wonder if the problem with elections could be maneuvered around by using rank choice voting. Also, while I don’t think they would gain much real traction, I think people would certainly attempt to start political interest parties centered around careers. Like, I could see someone trying to start a political party focused on the interests of educators like teachers or academic administrators or librarians.

what about a pirate party. a slightly left leaning party with alot of focus on technology, security and obviously copyright laws.

@nomnom2969

5 жыл бұрын

I'm voting for them in the upcoming EU-parliament election, hoping they'll mediate the damage article 13 will do, and make the institutions of the EU more transparent and democratic. (Didn't vote for them during the national election though)

@scottkrafft6830

4 жыл бұрын

@@nomnom2969 Does Article 13 actually ban memes?

@nomnom2969

4 жыл бұрын

@@scottkrafft6830 Not literally, it's even included in the bill that national governments should make sure fair use is protected. The problem is that social media platforms cannot scan their site on copyrighted content manually, so websites will have to use upload filters instead. KZread already does to some extend, and it's very flawed when it comes to determining fair use. Another problem is that smaller platforms might not be able to afford monitoring their site to the extend that's needed to avoid fines, which makes it way harder to start new platforms. There is an exemption for small sites in the bill, but it is way too tight. The sites has to have been less than 3 years online, make less that 10 million euro turnover annually, and have less than 5 million users a month. Advocates of this law try to make it look like the EU does this all to protect small artists, but for the biggest part it's been promoted by big film/music label lobbyists. National governments will get a lot of freedom in implementing the law, and I'm sure my country will use a very liberal version, since our representatives in the union voted against it in the first place. Still, it could have a huge effect on the internet globally, since the internet doesn't stop at borders. Sorry for the way too long reply btw😉

@LowestofheDead

4 жыл бұрын

The Anonymous party

@HonestObserver

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds fun but probably can't get 3% to get into Congress.

I can imagine the centrist party having to spend most of their time denying that they are right-leaning but being very right-leaning at the same time. That's what happens here in Spain

@MRWHO-gt8zo

5 жыл бұрын

being centers is the new counter mouvement

@sacharubinstein5305

5 жыл бұрын

Same thing here in Israel, the brand new centrist party "Kahol Lavan" (meaning blue & white) was being attacked both from right and left for allegedly leaning to the other side

@Absolute_Zero7

5 жыл бұрын

@@sacharubinstein5305 That's the thing though. If you're far left, and someone is slightly leaning left, they may appear to be far right because perception is usually dealt based off distance. That's why the current progressives in America call people like Joe Rogan alt-right, even though he is quite centrist.

@codecode1948

5 жыл бұрын

in France it's the opposite. En Marche says it's center but is just a rebranded Socialist party

@RocaSeba

5 жыл бұрын

VOX ♥️

Only 4 years late, but I want to say that I envy your political literacy, JJ. Excellent video.

What if we just allowed multiple parties to nominate the same person, meaning that you could vote for the same person through different parties? This would take away the incentive to condense all of politics into right vs left, allow for the formation of more diverse parties, and inventivise candidates appealing to a wide range of voters in the hopes of more parties nominating them.

@shadedoom1261

2 жыл бұрын

This is literally what happens in multi-party parliamentary systems. After the actual general election where each of the more balkanized parties win their share of the seats, they form coalitions with each other, and whichever the most popular coalition is gets to form what is unhelpfully simply called a "government" to put it pretty basically.

@kadennelms8419

2 жыл бұрын

Electoral fusion. It happens in New York. Closest the US has to a multi party system

@andrewbecker1013

Жыл бұрын

@@shadedoom1261 In Oregon, the voting members of smaller third-parties can vote in their party's own primary or caucus to have their official nominee be a Democrat or Republican (or someone else entirely, but they know there's a slim chance of them being catered to if they do that) if they want - I think it's better to have voters choose coalitions before a general election than having politicians do it after the general election...less opportunity for back-room deals.

Germany, France, The Netherlands, Luxembourg, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Alll of Scandinavia, South Africa, Italy, and Austria also all use Prop Rep

@Waouben

4 жыл бұрын

France doesn't. It uses a 2 round system

@arandomlanguagenerd1869

4 жыл бұрын

The Czech Republic does too, and it has a 2round system on the presidential election

@dustinstewart1194

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly I don’t think prop rep is the best answer for big countries like America, India, and the UK. I think Federalism is a very important and often underrated aspect of American Democracy. So I think States picking the president rather then people is a better system.

@supremeone2369

4 жыл бұрын

The Baltics does use it too

@BirgitProfessional

4 жыл бұрын

We in Austria also have a president who explicitly cannot be blindly loyay to his original party's political line. Candidates from all parties can run for president, one is elected by the general public (and only the general public) and then solemnly swears to be impartial. After the next election for the "Nationalrat" (our equivalent of Congress, I guess), the president then kicks off the building of the actual government by asking the party with the most votes in the election (it usually has between 25 and 35% of the votes) to negotiate with the other parties in order to form a multi-party coalition with over 50% of the vote and form the government.

Would you consider doing a similar video for if Canada was proportionally represented.

Yo I loved the parties you came up with, & stuff like the green & christian parties I could see becoming a thing. I live in California & from what I’ve noticed, tho I’m not in the Mexican community, friends I have in it come from a super wide variety of backgrounds, & the generational divide from parents’ politics & their children’s politics is huge. Just what I’ve noticed from my experience

Thing is with US politics is that even in countries with FPtP, there is normally at least one 3rd party that is able to gain a small number of seats.

"Israel had election the other day" Israel after 3 elections in a row: -_-

@hfelici

3 жыл бұрын

Because we the people in Israel they don't choose. Its the party leaders that choose.

@guyr.6053

3 жыл бұрын

And now we go for the 4th...

@thenewshaymetal666

2 жыл бұрын

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I think the Catholic Party would be a centrist party with some progressive policies like free healtcare and pro environment policies

@Jwend392

5 жыл бұрын

And while they would be vehementy anti-abortion, they would also be equally as fervently opposed to capital punishment.

@johannesclimacus5509

5 жыл бұрын

This is essentially the American Solidarity Party in today's minor third parties in America.

@carlose4314

5 жыл бұрын

It might be a big party, but would probably be split on issues since a working-class Catholic would have different interests than a Catholic business owner.

@lgmmrm

5 жыл бұрын

It would be like the CDU, with a regional Southern/Midwestern affiliate that is more conservative than the main party, like Bavaria's CSU.

@andreaceres552

5 жыл бұрын

@@lgmmrm Yeah, and it also sounds like the Christian Democracy party, which ruled Italy from 1948 to 1994

This comment section is like going to a comedy club but everyone is the exact same comedian

9:51 is basically the National People's Coalition party in the Philippines, founded by a businessman named Danding Cojuangco

There would be a party for classical liberals, akin to Germany’s FDP. In America, it would be like a moderate-libertarian party, comprised of more electable libertarian-leaning individuals who are currently in the Democratic and Republican parties.

I feel like an Anti-establishment party would pop up, just like the Five Star Movement in Italy

@nettoyagedelamaison9557

5 жыл бұрын

Джош Харт Well there is the Justice Democrats...

@andreaceres552

5 жыл бұрын

The 5 star movement is falling down in polls, now they are the 3rd party. They have no values and every day they change idea on everything

@andreaceres552

5 жыл бұрын

@@nettoyagedelamaison9557 No, Justice dems are much better than M5S. M5S are just populists who are just doing the same things of the Lega Nord (right wing populists)

@obiwankenobi4252

5 жыл бұрын

The M5S (Movimento 5 Stelle) kinda burned itself out on promising more in electoral campaign than they could actually achieve. In the 2018 General Elections they got well over 30% of the votes, but in the 2019 European Elections they got only 17%. Oh, and their ideology is unknown. The only thing they say is "Direct Democracy, Environmentalism, Anti-Europeanism, Populism". It's a kind of party which capitalized on the frustrations of the Italian lower middle class, the unemployed, especially in the less wealthy and developed south (I mean, I live in Southern Italy) and the general anger at the corrupt bipolarized politicians. This anger was magnified when, a few years ago, the Social Democrat Prime Minister resigned after failing a constitutional referendum. Up until that point there were two big parties, the Democrats (Centre-Left Pro-Europe Social Democratic, kinda like Bernie Sanders but more moderate) and the "Forward Italy" (Veeeeeery Moderate Centre-Right Pro-Europe Conservative, like the CDU/CSU in Germany). But then the M5S came in and made some promises which capitalized on the political apathy of many Italians. Also a prominent force arose in the form of the ~Northern~ League, a very hard-line Right-Wing/Far-Right Nationalist Anti-Europe Party. But then, a week ago at the European Elections the M5S lost 15% while the League gained that 15%

@joshuahart9884

4 жыл бұрын

@Obi Wan did you personally like Matteo Renzi

Libertarians keep edging up to that oh so important five percent number.

I definitely believe the trendy 3rd party would exist, as we have already had that before with the current system a few times, and Ross Perot who later formed the Reform Party may have even won the presidency in 1996 (the vote share doesn’t suggest this as much, but based on voting booth polls, enough Republican and Democrat voters would've voted for him if they thought he had a chance that he may have won

In some countries like Australia you can have major parties that also have factions within them, as well as also having minor parties and independents.

@angelicasmodel

Жыл бұрын

I think you could look to the Australian parliament for an indication of how a US multi-party government might look, given that we're a western capitalist democracy like the US, and we have a multi-party Senate. I think the socialist party you suggest may not have survived the red menace, and might be like the Australian Greens, which is the progressive party in Australia, with a range of different policies.

@lauritsholm5785

Жыл бұрын

more common than most are aware of actually. e.g. in my country theres a conservative party that only gets around 6% of votes and still has 4 internal factions

@Drag0nfoxx

Жыл бұрын

This also exists in the US, for example the Tea Party within the Republicans and the Democratic Socialists within the Democrats

There would be a giant Constitutionalist party, so many republicans are Constitutionalists, even some democrats, I feel like it would be very popular.

i feel you under underestimate how much Americans still care about guns and a party base around those issues would get alot more traction then 3%

There was also a farmer-labor party in the thirty’s that was on the rise. As well as what ever Huey long was into that day. So I think those would have been in this mixed bag of political parties.

@InventorZahran

2 жыл бұрын

"Ride on into victory on that Farmer-Labor Train!" --Woody Guthrie

You should really check out Spanish politics cause there are some interesting things in here. The Catalan party (ERC) and Basque party (PNV) have very strong bases even though they only represent a few people. Also the sixth most voted party is the Animalist party (PACMA), even stronger than greens. Also, the center-left party is the socialist party (PSOE) which all socialists hate because it isn't socialist at all

@andreaceres552

5 жыл бұрын

PSOE is social democrat, not socialist

@cutecommie

5 жыл бұрын

@Skain I'm sure its members call themselves Pacman and Mrs. Pacman.

@asphaltshingles8594

4 жыл бұрын

Man, foreign politics is so interesting.

More choices = better. Two parties is the closest to a single party dictatorship.

@freefromflags1480

5 жыл бұрын

Israel was the modal of this video and they still ended up with a far-right nit and yahoo.

@limo_was_here

5 жыл бұрын

@@freefromflags1480 but a lot of other countries use this system as well! and those have usually not turned out that way

@matzmilan7780

5 жыл бұрын

Not at all, in my country there is a debate about eliminate some political parties, because they are a waste of our taxes

@Pc118Gamer

5 жыл бұрын

Is that uylana from everlasting summer?

@itsblitz4437

5 жыл бұрын

Oh my God right?

Very interesting viewpoints. I'm going to have to think about this. It's hard to imagine what a different, hopefully, better system would look like. There's no demand for a parliamentary system. There is a demand for proportional representation and choice voting which would eliminate the spoiler effect.

I feel the US would be better if the us had more parties, having 10? Probably less then that but it would be better.

As a different model: What if all of america abolished the "The winner takes it all" mindset? I ask this because I think, it might be a little different because you could still retain the two chamber design. As a further thought: what if America adopted the swiss system (because it was kinda based on the american system when it was introduced in 1848)? Any answers are welcome, this is not just another video idea.

@BubbaJ18

4 жыл бұрын

I'll need to see the Swiss system, but I'll love to see the end of WTA and have states split

@selfishcapitalist3523

4 жыл бұрын

Swiss system is the best, but it only works in small countries.

@genoobtlp4424

4 жыл бұрын

@@selfishcapitalist3523 Why would it only work in small countries? With the fifty US states, it would be somewhat of an admin nightmare, but getting 26 cantons to play ball doesn't seem that different to me. Getting voting results might take a bit longer due to the sheer size, but it seems to me, like the US already has to manage that anyway.

@genoobtlp4424

4 жыл бұрын

@@nickarjoma5350 Is there anything I'm missing that doesn't scale well with bigger states?

@genoobtlp4424

4 жыл бұрын

@@nickarjoma5350 I mean, things like an electoral college get out of hand pretty quickly, which is why you have to limit the people somehow... But have you ever heard of the Landsgemeinde? In geographically small cantons like Appenzell Innerrhoden, you could just invite everyone to meet at a big square... But modern systems with absentee voting for the majority of the people and a place to actually show up to cast the ballot in at least every county office or town hall and so on, I don't see why direct democracy couldn't work, in the swiss interpretation, you still have a parliament running things most of the time, just with the option of forcing a ballot by collecting enough signatures within multiple months and since it's supposed to be a popular opinion, needing some level of decentralized organization for such a thing to happen doesn't seem unreasonable to me. One modification that could also help if administrative things get too big would be to introduce a fourth layer of geographic administration, most likely splitting a large state into a bunch of groups of counties to deal with regional problems. I mean, in 1776, such a system would have been a nightmare, and after expansions, it would have likely failed spectacularily due to the travel times involved, but nowadays you can theoretically get to anywhere in the world within 24h and practically, a few days should get you to almost all territories claimed by the us, so the size shouldn't be that much of a problem anymore, or am I still missing something?

Indonesia with their multi-party system: REEEEEEEEE We have a bunch of parties. A *LOT* of parties, thank God only 20 Parties (16 National Parties And 4 Regional Parties) joined the 2019 Election.

@rezajafari6395

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but because of Pancasila they are more or less the same

@arnavbhagwat4232

4 жыл бұрын

We have 8 National Parties and 56 State Parties in India and many more which fought the last election in May 2019

@SudenKardashev

4 жыл бұрын

And there on Brazil we have 32 national parties,but not all this parties always participate of the national elections trying to elect a president.Some of they just put vice-presidents to run with a guy thats more famous or from a bigger party (thats running for president)

I went into this video thinking a multi party system would be the solution to alot of the issues in the US but now I can see how the 2 party system stream lines things allows policies to be passed within a huge and diverse country

The problem with having a lot of parties is that they tend to get absorbed by the influence of bigger parties in order to survive and they eventually become an extension of it, although they can still change to the influence of another party if the first one loses power. In the case of my country, in the last presidential elections we had 4 big parties (PRI, PAN, PRD and MORENA), 5 non-dominant parties (Green Party, New Alliance, Labor Party, Citizens Movement and Social Meeting Party) and another 4 small and new ones that did not parcipated in the election. That's 13 National Parties. Those four dominants are mostly moderate and close to the center, while the other 6 are a lot more extreme and close to radical ideologies (Labor Party defines itself as a Maoist Communist one, Green Party as a far right in favor of capital punishment and legal torture, Social Encounter as a fundamentalist evangelist party against masturbatation, pornography, condoms, etc.). These parties almost always allie with one of the four big ones (Usually the one closer to it's own ideology) and share the same candidates, so they have a chance to have influence an power. The new ones tend to be funded after an independent candidate loses and they can eventually become part of the Non-Dominant but still relevant ones, and some of them may even become part of the big ones, which was the case of MORENA, that started by the incentive of a candidate that lost two times and decided to create his own party, and is now the biggest and dominant party of the country, with that man being now the president of Mexico and the party having a majority in the congress.Intereatingly enough, some big parties can fall the other way and become Non-dominant and have to allie with a big one to have a chance, which was the case of the PRD.

@RunawayTrain2502

Жыл бұрын

You guys have a weird Green Party.

@eduardof7322

Жыл бұрын

@@RunawayTrain2502 We definitely do.The only Green part in the world that is not part of the International Organism for Green Parties.