As one of the 14% who voted for the Ottomans on the poll, seeing this is a HUGE Relief.

@evannpalma2404

Ай бұрын

I agree

@SunilDachmann-mg7mm

Ай бұрын

I voted ottomans aswell

@wimblewomble4751

Ай бұрын

Same

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

I made that video before the poll, then it was like bottom placed and I was sad, so I decided to make the video anyways! :D

@wimblewomble4751

Ай бұрын

@@rewriting-history thank you, can you do a video centred on armenia please if you can

We did it boys we gotta a alt history where the ottomans survive

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Big W

Bro Bosnia was Turkey's favourite european elayet why did you split it like that 💀

When the sick man gets cured

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Hahah nice!

Making the Ottoman Empire in a federation was an option I wouldn’t have thought of, but it works effectively! Great video!

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Fun fact, the crown of Carol I of Romania was made out of a canon from the battle of Pleven

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Oh nice, i think i had heard it somewhere as it sounds familiar!

Love this channel, it’s so underrated keep going.

LOVE your content! Keep going!

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Thank you, will do!

Ive been waiting for a timeline like this for about a Year or Two. This Pleases my Eyes

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Appreciate that, hope you liked it!

Nice explanation thx^^

@rewriting-history

12 күн бұрын

Glad you liked it!

The creation of a Jewish state as part of an Ottoman federation is interesting though unrealistic. I imagine the partition of the holy land within the federation would be almost as thorny as the partition issue in our timeline.

@mappingshaman5280

Ай бұрын

It wouldn't be thorny at all. The Jewish population of the region pre ww1 was about 5%. It wouldn't even be a question without Britain colonising it

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

You're right, but I did 3 or 4 disclaimers that this is not realistic and not meant to be taken seriously

@Sadnessiuseless

Ай бұрын

@@mappingshaman5280 yeah there werent that many jews there before zionist movement, although maybe palestine region becomes autonomous as "the holy land" so it encompasses the needs of all the fates there

@RedCoreX725

Ай бұрын

​@@Sadnessiuseless the sultan also rejected a deal when the Zionist wanted to buy off Palestinian lands so most likely even if it became an automous region it will be a federal state of levant/Palestine.

@rizkyadiyanto7922

Ай бұрын

why not make one inside europe, where there were more of them?

Enjoyed this video, good job

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Cue Habsburgs sweating VERY nervously.

@minestar2247

Ай бұрын

There are no habsburgs

@Aiden-wg4pu

Ай бұрын

(Austrian Empire was Habsburg-led)

Amazing take on preventing the collapse of the Ottomans! A really interesting scenario! Can’t wait to see what must be next!

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Appreciate that, I will do Britain next! :)

W video (even if u regretted it afterwards or smt) 🔥🔥its cool to see more ottoman empire videos! ❤️

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

Suggestion what if Germany became a constitutional monarchy before ww1 this timeline would somewhat follow the great war redux contain the kaiser (democracy) where Germany would become a constitutional monarchy and they would have way better diplomacy leading to possibly a more limited ww1

Great video, but just a very small correction I would like to make is, greek population wasn't that present in western anatolia. Greeks made the majority in only certain places So if there was to be a federation I think the greek state wouldn't have that much land in anatolia. But that's a very minor thing and other than that, it was a nice video.

Very nice video brother, enjoyed it!

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Appreciate that very much!

A lot of people don't seem to realize that this video isn't made to be realistic, he wasn't even gonna make this video so you should be happy he did

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

I agree, I even said like 4 times that this is not realistic and I still get complaints of some mistakes. I don't know anymore, warning people that it's not realistic doesn't seem to work...

@Rcmark70

Ай бұрын

@@rewriting-history Its a real shame however there's not a lot that can be done. Great vid though.

Great video but i think there is a bit of an inaccuracy , the russians only menaged to capture Plevna after the romanian king was given full control over the russian regional army. It is quite an intersting and notable fact

This is the opposite of peace in our time

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

It is 100 times more chaotic, but at least the Ottomans never collapsed!

@omarkhader3388

Ай бұрын

What peace?

Ofcourse , This timeline could only be true with 1)RewritingHistory fails art school in Bulgaria and joins the Fr*nch army and after the great war becomes the Br*tish prime minister and leads the br*tish empire to Glory. 2)Rewritng History 2:00 doesn't post Alt history from Hungary

10:49 highly doubt that even in this scenario i

Could you pls make some sort of video about serbia. For example: what if yugoslavia reunited today but without croatia and slovenia, what if serbia won all yugowars, what if srpska joined serbia, what if the četniks liberated yugoslavia instead of partisans, what if tito liberated west but draža east of yugoslavia, what if serbia decided to create greater serbia instead of yugoslavia, what if yugoslavia was able to stay neutral during ww2 and not be invaded, what if yugoslavia joined Nato after tito stalin split, or what if bosnia, serbia and montenegro remained united without war and win kosovo war.

After that Josh video on realism you started focusing on it & explaining yourself. We aren't (at least I'm not) here for super-realistic scenarios. We're here because you make fun videos.

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

I always want to make fun scenarios, but I don't want to mislead people that my work is meant to be taken seriously. Realistic videos are pretty boring imo, so I want to make interesting scenarios first.

@Cannon530YTOO

Ай бұрын

Both. Both is good.

What if Joshua Norton succeeded in becoming the Emperor of the USA when he proclaimed himself emperor Norton I. along with his Daughter Mary Norton or his Wife becoming Empress after him likely continuing the dynasty

@minestar2247

26 күн бұрын

That might lead to a second American revolution, especially if none of the states agree

Suggestion: what if Leon Trotsky became leader of Mexico?

Your accent is nice bro:)

@rewriting-history

27 күн бұрын

Appreciate it, thank you very much!

Are you going to make one for the russian empire too? Say finding a way to prevent the revolution from occuring or something?

You are from Bulgaria I'm from Serbia and I love your alternative history.

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

I appreciate that, I love Serbia, would love to visit soon!

This is the greatest video on history

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

I really appreciate that with all my heart, thank you very much!

A bit hard to imagine a minority of 10% validates the creation of an autonomous Jewish state, and expansion was very restricted in first world War due to Wilsonian idealism so its a bit hard to imagine expansion to entirely separate ethnicities and religions besides maybe Armenian parts & border territories. Tunisia being exchanged for French support would also be likely, and WW1 might last longer as the Germans wouldn't need to worry for food at least (though the Ottomans could perhaps occupy much of Serbia by the time the war begins, if it even does since they don't wait to invade).

least nationalistic Turkish person:

@StarterOffical-Jousha-lf6ig

Ай бұрын

He isn't Turkish, he is Bulgarian

@rorymoore9269

Ай бұрын

Whatifalthist moment lmao

@ScoutGamingRoblox

Ай бұрын

@@StarterOffical-Jousha-lf6igi think you dont understand the joke

Can you do what if Austria-Hungary survives please? Great video. 👍🏻

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

I can do it soon if the British video does good

@crusader2112

Ай бұрын

@@rewriting-history Okay cool, thanks. 👍 No rush. Peace ✌🏻

Cool scenario, a 7/10! I only have a small problem with it. The US didn't really turn the tides in any of the world wars, the wars wouldn't have changed without their intervention, they sent a really small amount of troops and did little to nothing, arriving near the end of the war in both wars, fighting an exhausted Germany with little troops while France and the UK did the real fighting after exhausting Germany (in ww1, the USSR did 80% of he work in ww2, the British did the rest, fighting Germany since the very beginning of the war).

@Thatoneidiot001

Ай бұрын

The only thing they did was give a morale boost to the entente.

Tbh i feel like the only way to save the ottoman empire is to have napoleon never rise to power. Its the nationalism that screwed them over on multiple fronts in the end.

@ibrahimmustafa2481

Ай бұрын

Napoleon effect on nationalism was very little and insignificant. You do realize that he became a monarch later in his life right. Nationalism may have been born amidst the French revolution, but it prospered and was "cultivated" in other parts of Europe.

This timeline is incredibly difficult to predict an outcome. One of the biggest reasons for WW1 was the slow collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the creation of the Balkan states. So in this timeline of Ottoman federalization one of the big three reasons for the WW1 is completely gone. Although I think we would have a more peaceful timeline depending on if the federation can survive. There is dissolving the caliphate, so there is more a central authority for Islam and is more likely to become more tolerant under this system. However the Kurds and Palestinians will probably seek their own state. Their will likely also be a lot of conflict between the Sunni and the Shia Muslims in this system. Another thing would be if the Suez Canal is even built, and if it is what is the policy for international trade. Lastly this would make the Ottomans a very close western ally as they know control a massive oil supply, along with being a tolerant and reform minded nation.

@Kronosfobi

Ай бұрын

I think there would be no Jewish state due to their numbers being much lower than Christians and Muslims at the time of this supposed reformation. So Palestine would be established instead. As for the Kurds, They were absolutely ok with Ottomans. Their problems were with the more westernized Republic that at the same time wanted to centralize absolute control until the reforms could be made because their time was short. An Empire that reformed and somehow federalized without collapsing wouldnt have the same grasp and cause discontent.

That guy is definitely bulgarian

Why the islands very close to 🇹🇷turkye as show in maps are not the part of it today

awesome

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Appreciate that!

What If Africa was never colonized and exploited

@minestar2247

Ай бұрын

It would get liberated by morroco and turkey in that case, or maybe the europeans decide to do proxy conflicts instead, which is insane

@isa_the_salafi

Ай бұрын

Either scenario A: Africa is just europe but Not white. Or B: Africa is wakanda

@theleader4620

Ай бұрын

It would be in the stone age

@arabfromramla

Ай бұрын

@@theleader4620Not being colonized or exploited by modernized nations doesn’t necessarily mean your nation is in the Stone Age. Trading and introduction of modern tech from modern nations still exist

@idk-cj8mn

Ай бұрын

​@@theleader4620 Facts.

Unironically as a Christian with middleastern decent I would die to live in this Ottoman Federation..

@shafsteryellow

Ай бұрын

Much more stable

@NoaOneF

Ай бұрын

Why? Can u explain?

@eliafeda4429

26 күн бұрын

@@NoaOneFno genocides of many groups of Christians in the ottoman empire

Why didn't Greece get Thessaly and Arta from the Congress of Berlin?

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

It doesn't change the scenario even if they did. I assumed that the Ottomans would be stronger and wouldn't give land away for free.

If this means stability in the middle east, north africa and the balkans and a prospering empire. Then this would be a better worlds to live in.

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

I would agree, but it could end up like Yugoslavia, which means millions would die

@shafsteryellow

Ай бұрын

​@@rewriting-history and horn africa... Somali peninsula would be stable.

i don't see how the USA would be allowing ottoman imperialism at the peace treaty table

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

They won't most likely, but there is no other way for the Ottomans to survive

@shafsteryellow

Ай бұрын

​@@rewriting-history maybe if the ottomans made a petrodollar deal and anti Soviet alliance

OTTOMAN EMPİRE 🇹🇷💪

its beautiful

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

so ottoman empire wins 1877-1878 war?

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Ha, close enough. You're almost right

You'd have a Turkish accent instead.... 😅

@minestar2247

26 күн бұрын

So there is no difference then?(yes, this comment is a spark for a conflict)

What if Crassus and Publius conquered Persia leading to a third sphere in the civil war including Crassus Jrs sphere in north africa

WE BE GETTING THE BALKANS, BOSPHORUS AND SINAI PENINSULA WITH THIS ONE🔥🗣🔥🗣🔥🗣🔥🗣🔥🗣🔥🗣🔥🗣🔥🗣🔥🗣🔥🗣

@Teddyiscute2

Ай бұрын

Bro shut up nobody likes 🔥🗣️ in a comment

@Bavaresco2008

Ай бұрын

Don't ruin the meme pls

@LePineconeMan

Ай бұрын

Shut. Up.

@HistoricalGuy417

Ай бұрын

🇹🇷🦃🦃TURKISH POWER🦃🦃🇹🇷

@Real_gon12

Ай бұрын

@@HistoricalGuy417not funny

So basically the united states of the middle east happens

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Technically yes!

Back in the days of the ottoman empire a man by the name Rigas Fereos had a plan to replace the (at least balkan) part of the Ottoman Empire with a greek dominated balkan democratic federation a vision he shared with Ali pasha(i think i butchered that) what if it actually happened?

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Sounds good, I will save this idea in mind!

@noobthetoob

Ай бұрын

@@rewriting-history yey-

Nah you not slick Bulgaria was annexed but they still expanded

I´m made a timeline in which Teddy Is president during WW1 and the Ottoman Remained Neutral in WW1, WW1 ended in 1916 with no USSR of Nazi Germany, In WW2 (is different than our WW2) Britain, Germany, The Ottoman, Austria-Hungary, Japan, And The US against Russia, and the result in Armenia and Azerbayan been part of the Ottoman Empire. And Israel is settled in southern Namibia.

Balkans Bad Ending

As a Greek i don't know but i like the scenario just because we own Smyrna and other states but at the cost of Macedonia though but i like the scenario and am curious how school will be in the vassal states because i go to elementary school

YESSSSSSS

I would say the realism is 4/10. Firstly i don't think a federation in the 1870s would solve their problems, their subjects knew the ottomans were falling, so they would keep pushing. Secondly as pointed out in my other comment, the ottomans creating israel is extremely unlikely for religious and demographic reasons. Thirdly the sides in ww1 make no sense. The fact the ottomans own bosnia isn't going to reduce austro-serbian tensions enough for them to replace russia with austria. The austro hungarians still own serbian majority lands such as banat, so they wouldn't want to set the precedent of encouraging serbian nationalism. As for russia, its unlikely they'd side with germany and austria. In the ottoman federation, their fellow slavs have more freedom than under the german and austrian empires. Furthermore, the ottomans rule over south slavs, meaning there's no opportunity for direct russian terrotorial expansion in europe if they side with the central powers, whereas by joining the entente they can take the rest of poland.

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

A agree with you, I did 3 or 4 disclaimers that this is not realistic and not meant to be taken seriously. I just wanted to create a cool scenario, thats all

@TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga

11 күн бұрын

He wanted to have The League Of The Three Emperors be relevant.

Cool, but the ottoman wouldn’t make palestine a Jewish state only since at the time this is happening it is still overwhelmingly arab and Muslim. , and historically the ottoman helped keep peace between the Arabs and Jews doing this would really anger the Arabs and only satisfy an extremely small Jew minority, in my opinion they would’ve incorporated it into the Arab state and as more Jewish refugees came along they would split palestine into an Arab and new autonomous state Edit: also wouldnt there be a Kurd state?

This was unexpected

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

It was, but I still hope that you liked it!

@muhammadhabibieamiro3639

Ай бұрын

​​@@rewriting-history i always have been interested about the ottoman empire so this is a nice video

I’m sorry but the League of Three Emperors would absolutely kick the Entente’s ass.

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Could be, I said that the video is unrealistic

W vid

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Appreciate that very much!

The Ottomans in 1918:"Herr Wili, ich fühl mich nicht so gut..."

Bro did the impossible

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

And still it's more chaotic, but at least the Ottoman Empire survived!

What if India was united under the Maratha Empire and avoided full colonization similar to China?

@shafsteryellow

Ай бұрын

😂

I like your accent😊

I'm So happy

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Glad you liked the video!

we can say What İf Ottoman Sultans were not lazy and acted smart?

I say it’s unrealistic, Belgium still exists in this timeline.

Im from balchik bulgaria and i think you shouldnt bite the hand that feeds you ottoman didnt treat bulgarians bad and they even helped bulgarians by alot thinks ottomans liked balkans alot the russians triggered the nationalistic feelings of bulgarians so they can advance more easily to ottomans.

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

I'm Bulgarian myself and I know what you're talking about. Didn't create the video with a certain narrative, just wanted to make a cool scenario :)

@oghuz_kaghan

Ай бұрын

@@rewriting-history yeah but unfortunately it happened we are now puppets of russians i dont know youre slavic or not but my mother told me about asparuh when i was little and krum so she still sees bulgarian history as turkic whats youre opinion?slavic or turkic or slavified turkic

@arelishidden8602

7 күн бұрын

​@@rewriting-history so thats why the bulgarian state is big

France and Italy: *declaring war on the ottoman empire* German Empire: Austria look! A distracted France and Italy!

The Soviet Union would likely still form, just with more dogged resistance to them, since they have the Germans to the Bolsheviks, not weaken the Tsar.

What about:What if WW1 Ended in an Stalemate?

@Cannon530YTOO

Ай бұрын

"What if Germany was DIVIDED after WW1?"

Abdulhamid 1896?? He was not incompetent in war

19:37 Wow, I actually assumed from your accent that you were Polish! 🤐

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Damn and you learned at least by the end of the video

As I Turk one day of course we will return our former territories. soon or later diplomaticly or bloodly doesnt matter we will return....

All that oil means it’s a USA testing ground for air strikes

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Many things can go wrong for the Ottoman Empire and I agree that there is no way that they can never collapse. I just tried to share a way, that has created more problems than it has solved

POV: The Pro-Ottoman dad veins start pumping mid way through the night

How about what if zulu's modenazide

I would've made a series of puppets: -Macedonia/Greater Bulgaria (both work) -Albania -Bosnia -Crete & Peleponnia -Libya -Arabia (except northern Iraq and Syria) -Palestine, Jerusalem and Judea While keeping the egeian islands and most of thrace, then I would've allied the UK at all costs. Then I would nationalize key industries like oil, which will be important and would move logistical, railway and army headquarters to Ankara for safety and centralization. It's closer to key future industry and agriculture regions like Sivas, Kayseri and Kayseri. Political reforms are also necessary, along with military specializations and progressive reforms. I would aim for a sufi islam oriented approach in terms of religion, while also keeping the mantle of Roman Emperor and custodian of both Mecca/Medina and Jerusalem for political prestige and legitimacy. Also meritocracy, people like Mustafa Kemal should be elevated, especially after we defeat the Italians in Libya thanks to his skills. Anatolia and thrace will be the main focus of the following industrialization and population growth policies. We have a fucking tiny population as a huge Empire and that is really bad I would try to avoid joining WW1 at all costs, since my main objective is for the colonial powers to bleed themselves out on Germany while Germany bleeds out Russia for me. After that I swoop in and help the Caucasus and maybe even central asia in the ensuing civil war After that we simply stfu and chill until possibly ww2, where we join the war late on the allied side to join the UN. After that we get closer to the EU nations as a member candidate, join nato and just use our oil money to make a regional powerhouse. Post ww2 we also grant our puppets mostly full independence There you go

no independent Bulgaria = bad scenario

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Agree!

@mrcat5508

Ай бұрын

@@rewriting-historyI don’t know if you did yet, but if you didn’t for April fools you can make a video on like possible histories on what if everything went perfect for Bulgaria, but instead have them be the size of the Byzantine empire at their peak

That flag is the best thing I've ever seen

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

I know right :D

as a azerbaijani i like scenario

*What if the ottoman's never collapsed* Balkans:😢uh no Arabia:😰please no Iran:😕hmmmmm Palestine:🥲thanks god Kurds:💀

@mappingshaman5280

Ай бұрын

Armenians: ☠️☠️☠️☠️

@manofwar2354

Ай бұрын

Kurds were loyal to ottomans so does most arabs

@Kronosfobi

Ай бұрын

Kurds had no problem with the Empire. To a degree where British failed to make them rebel against it. Kurdish problems started after the formation of Republic and westernization. The new Republic's ideals were different, It also focused on centralizing the government. In this scenerio the Kurds may as well have as much autonomy as they need.

@Sn.rv14

26 күн бұрын

​@@Kronosfobiits not true at all

@Kronosfobi

26 күн бұрын

@@Sn.rv14 Ottoman past has no problem with Kurds due to race. Ottoman Empire is a nation founded on different ideals than ethno states, Race is irrelevant. Their beef with West is solely due to political and religious interests. Their problems within the region is either due to taxes OR Shia muslims, which consists mostly of Turkmens rather than Kurds or any other minorities.

Lore of What if the Ottoman Empire NEVER collapsed? Momentum 100

What if ottomans won in Vienna?

Noooo

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Worst ending for the Balkans

@Theoneston1

Ай бұрын

@@rewriting-history the worst anything if the USSR captures the Balkans, and made them into a puppet

What if the Romanian-Bulgarian Union actualy happened ?

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

I made that in my first ever video where Bulgaria lost against Serbia in 1885

I would live on this world if the federation behaved more like a confederation a bit.

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Yeah it makes sense

Imagine a hoi4 Mod like Kaiserreich but with the Ottoman Empire as the main character 🗿👌😎👍 😂😄 🇹🇷

And then the Kurds lived happily ever after. Not.

@manofwar2354

Ай бұрын

Kurds fight against turkey for calipha

@shafsteryellow

Ай бұрын

Wdym

Wait why would the ottomans joun the entente?

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Because as I said, they would be very western due to the reforms of Mehmed Kadri Pasha

Funny thing is there are greek people who want an turkish greece zyprus federation maybe in 50 years this map could become reality 😅

I feel like the ottomans would slowly grow their state in this by slowly just out populating and integrating the smaller minorities until it's just turks.

10:51 did you just accidentally prevent the Palestinian Israeli conflict from happening? Yeah, I think you just did. The video is pretty fun so far

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

Appreciate that, hope you liked it!

@minestar2247

Ай бұрын

This world is amazing, and probably better than the other empires will have videos soon

@minestar2247

Ай бұрын

@@rewriting-history your videos are always well made and interesting, you really deserve the recognition

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

@@minestar2247 I appreciate that, always doing my best!

POLAND LITHUANIA BACK RAAHHHH

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

I knew people would love that!

10:45 Serbian State???

I doubt turkey will give away anatolian regions, and edirne

@rewriting-history

Ай бұрын

I agree, so the borders could be changed around, but the idea is the same

@LoanSharkTheFirst

Ай бұрын

​@@rewriting-historyyeah that's true

Sorry for being Late on the Comment Section!

@rewriting-history

25 күн бұрын

I will excuse you

@SPAnComCat

25 күн бұрын

@@rewriting-history 🥰👍