I doubt that Italy would have been promised that much land and that the Central Powers offensive would go that well. I think that Italy was still too weak for a victory to be achieved that early and dominance over all of North Africa seems a bit much. I could see Italian involvement leading to a Central Powers victory in 1918 with more conservative land gains in Tunisia, Corsica, Nice, Savoy, Malta, and some Saharan territory alongside protectorate in Albania and maybe a bit more territory by the Austrians then just Trentino & Trieste. I think that Italian involvement could have still been delayed to 1915 as Italy was very opportunistic and would likely demand more concessions from Austria before joining.

@thenamesianna

Жыл бұрын

The lands you mentioned were also what the Kingdom mainly wanted.

@nourahmed-sh2ox

Жыл бұрын

​@MM King the British would have never lost Egypt

@mrsillytacos

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, they massively nerfed the British navy here lmao

@funiskellyman

Жыл бұрын

Fair point

@metastasisd

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. No way A-H gives up their ability to have a navy like that after a victory.

8:10 that(Romania) is unrealistic and doesn't take in consideration the secret pact between Romania and the Central Powers that basically made Romania part of the alliance. One of the main reason why Romania stayed neutral in the first 2 years was because of Italian Neutrality. Chances are that if Italy joins the Germans so will Romania either immediatly or just in time to take Bassarabia back.

@bg1052

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention that, by that point, the Entent were already set to lose in the timeline. Paris had already fallen. Why would Romania bother joining in?

@alexandrub8786

Жыл бұрын

@@bg1052 i guess Romania joining the Entente is a "canon event".

@carterbentonjr399

Жыл бұрын

This maybe unlikely but, I think if Romania joined the Central Powers in addition to Bessarabia they could have finagled an agreement to take Crimea as, 1) a province, 2) a protectorate, and 3) in a personal union with King Ferdinand of Romania by proclaiming Crown Prince Carol as Grand Khan of Crimea without taking any coastal areas from Ukraina.

@alexandrub8786

Жыл бұрын

@@carterbentonjr399 well he could also claim "the ancestral mildavian territories on rhe left(east) side of the river Dnister" considering that in the past the romanian presence was more significant in the south-west part of Ukraine,having many romanians be cossacks back then and many ruling in some parts. Of course that is before the imperial russian colonisation of the region with russians and ukrainians(from up north) (edit) just to be clear i don't think that would have happened, even the most revisionists,jingoists and expansionist nationalists talk about "de la Nistru pân la Tisa"(From Nister to Tisza) worst case scenaria, besides today with Bugeac and N.Bucovina the most extreme would also want Pocuția/Pokutia.

@paolomartin6873

11 ай бұрын

Exactly, it was utterly stupid to suddenly join when even Russia was getting steamrolled

11:13 shoutout to the Bulgarian division for invading Estonia

I doubt Austria would give all of its Adriatic coast to Italy becoming landlock almost...

@Kkkokp

2 ай бұрын

I imagine that this was just a bait for Italy to join and that both Austrian and German forces would invade some time after the war

@ultimatestuff7111

23 күн бұрын

@@Kkkokpit might have given Fiume and Zara at most, or just been like yo tough luck what are you gonna do switch sides? And then Italy wouldn’t promptly switch sides and try to get France and England to immediately rearm

I could see them gaining back Nice and Savoy from the French. Then then given Corsica and maybe Tripoli. Probably British Somaliland. At the very least. I think the bulk of Italian gains would be colonial.

@mrsillytacos

Жыл бұрын

Tbh, I don't think Italy would have captured much in Africa, since Italy being in the central powers would not change the fact that the British still had the largest navy in the world and would have easily defended any naval invasion.

@carterbentonjr399

Жыл бұрын

@@mrsillytacos That being said most likely Italy takes Tunisia as they planned to in the late 1800s but France beat them to it. As for Algeria and Morocco, Italy after discussing it with Germany let France keep Algeria but make Morocco independent under joint Italian and German influence. As for Spain, kind of establishes a protectorate over Aragon, Catalonia, and Valencia but annexes the Baleric Islands just to somewhat hem in France. Then there is the Ottoman Turkish Empire. Italy has a secret agreement with Germany that if the Ottoman Turks should balkanize that Italy would get Antioch and Smyrna but Syria, Lebanon, Kurdistan Assyria will be independent, with Thrace going to Bulgaria and Constantinople as a free city under the oversight if Bulgaria, plus the central Agean Coast of Turkey going to Greece to keep them quiet and add the City of Trebizond on Turkey's Black Sea coast as a protectorate.

@carterbentonjr399

Жыл бұрын

@@mrsillytacos p.s. As for Palestine, Italy with a lot of fast talking lets the U.K. take control of it to establish a Jewish State, but as in this time line splits off Ammon, Moab, and Edom, to establish the Kingdom of Jordan, additionally takes Gaza and the surrounding desert as an independent state.

Italy joining the war on the German side could have changed the battle of the marne just by it (Italy) opening another front for France and making some of the fronts for the central powers easier to deal with. No the Italians would not have done well themselves in any battles, most likely needing German support just like Austria-Hungary did, but by existing alone and being on the side of the central powers they could have indeed made the capture of Paris more possible and thus maybe even the fall of France itself. Anything after that though is within the realm of imagination.

@andreamarino6010

10 ай бұрын

You'd be surprised, we were more ready to go against France than Austria-Hungary. Even in late 1914 the main part of the army was stationed near italo-french border

@adamboh393

8 ай бұрын

The Alps are insanely defensible, there’s a reason why Italian offensives there in early WW2 were stopped with a few hundred French soldiers. Given this is WW1 I don’t think it’d lead to a collapse in the video. Other things would change. Africa is more of a front that Britain must defend and Austria-Hungary can position its troops decisively against Serbia and Russia instead of a three way split.

@dariotoska

4 ай бұрын

@@adamboh393 Italy's border with austria is also very mountanious, and it was able to draw 100,000's of Austrian and German troops

@michaelthomas5433

4 ай бұрын

@@user-bi9jq8eu4j ??? Truly Astro-Hungary destroyed the Russian army in 1915, right? I'd ask what you are even talking about but a better question would be what colour the sky in your world is. Enjoy your day.

@michaelthomas5433

4 ай бұрын

@@user-bi9jq8eu4j Fine. Italy would have conquered France and then the rest of Europe I guess. I mean doesn't explain Italy's complete reliance on the French and British or that even the Austro-Hugariansk could hold them on the Alps but whatever. Though according to you the superpower of Austria-Hungary really would have won WWI, at least if they hadn't been held back by those Germans in so idk. You don't seem to remotely understand the amount of aid/support/troops certain countries got from others but whatever reply in any way you want I hereby proclaim you King of the comments. Huzzah.

Joining the Entente was the worst mistake Italy had ever made.

I think Italy wouldn't gain Algeria and Morocco,as they had almost no interest in it,and Italy probably wouldn't seek to rebuild the Roman Empire, since that idea derived from the Fascists, especially Mussolini.They also probably wouldn't attempt to conquer Greece, instead limiting themselves to imposing a sphere of influence on them. As for the Ottomans? They probably won't clash with them except for conflicting interests in Africa and the Balkans. I'd imagine Italy also taking Sudan instead of Algeria and Morocco since they desired it alongside Egypt. Speaking of Egypt, I doubt Germany would desire the Suez Canal or ANY kind of control in the Mediterranean as they already have 2/3 allies in it. Of course, this could be disproved by the fact that Germany could imitate Britain and crave for control in both the land and the sea. As for answering the question of Italy joining the Allies or staying in the Central Powers, I think Italy would stay in the Central Powers as the Britain and France would probably also be angry at Italy and I don't think Italy would have interest in coming to blows with the Germans, but, yet again, this could also be disproven. Great video,man! 😄 As an Italian (especially a pro-Central Powers one) I was very excited for this video!

@SaimonTM

Жыл бұрын

Tutti gli italiani e tutti i leader italici hanno sempre avuto come sogno più grande rifondare l’imperium, non era una questione di mussolini

@GigaRoman

Жыл бұрын

​@@SaimonTMquell'idea era stata fatta popolare da Mussolini, quindi non penso che il re volesse riformare l'impero a meno che avesse i territori necessari

@Seeno__

Жыл бұрын

​@@GigaRomandurante tutto il risorgimento i richiami a Roma, alla sua gloria sia come repubblica e impero, erano tantissimi. L'idea di un'italia unita sia geograficamente che culturalmente se, non ci fosse stata Roma, non esisterebbe e quindi è naturale che l'Italia, in un modo o in un altro, finisca sempre con l'ambire all'impero. Pensa che uno dei progetti dell'italia era di ristabilire il "mare nostrum" e quindi il controllo su tutto mediterraneo. Prima il concetto era militare, ma anche oggi persiste in forma commerciale

@GigaRoman

Жыл бұрын

@@Seeno__ si ma non penso che il re vorrebbe riformarla

@gs7828

11 ай бұрын

@@Seeno__ Sì, ma c'è una differenza fra Roma come Domina Provinciarum (ovvero l'Italia come nazione e terra dei romani+italici) e dell'impero come possedimenti coloniali. L'Italia con il punto sui romani, da sempre ha ricordato la propria unione socio-culturale, non la legittimità di controllare tutti i territori coloniali dell'Impero Romano.

Very interesting scenario. I suspect Italian involvement wouldn't be quite so decisive in 1914/1915. They started the war with an army of just 300,000. They eventually mobilized 5 million men (their population was just slightly smaller than France but with a fraction the industrial capacity they took time to equip). The Alps are terrible to attack through and I don't see an Italian breakthrough there in 1914 as likely. The German offensive stalled due to logistical issues as much as Allied resistance. The deadlock on the western front would probably still have eventuated (though perhaps a little deeper into France/Belgium). Given Allied naval superiority, a swift conquest of Italian Libya is more likely than the Central Powers taking Egypt. Regardless, by 1917 I can see a decisive difference. Without the Italian front, 60+ Austrian (and a few German) divisions are freed up for use elsewhere. Russia collapses in 1917 (if not sooner). If Romania still joins the Allies she is overrun even more swiftly and chances are there's never much of a Macedonian Front. Central Powers troops could have reinforced the Ottomans to halt their slow retreat from the Middle East. By early 1918, in our reality, the Germans achieved a narrow advantage of 192 to 178 divisions on the western front. Here, things would be decisively more lopsided. With Italy now fully mobilized on the Alps and probably both fronts reinforced by the Austrians, it would have been closer to 300 to 178. France would have capitulated by mid-1918 for sure. Even with American help this balance could not be righted and I suspect we'd have an armistice in 1919 or later where the British let the Central Powers dominate Europe in return for keeping the rest of their empire.

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

your explanation is honestly much more likely than mine. Whenever I redo this video in a few years, I will keep everything you said in mind

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

nah, he was a loser

@lolitzdefaltboy5063

4 ай бұрын

Given the lack of French troops getting sent to the north, Italy can just transverse the mountain pass.

What if Miguel Da Paz Survived and inherited Castile, portugal and Aragon, forming an Iberian Union?

@ivangasconmora1059

Жыл бұрын

This would probably mean more centralization of Spain (Spain wasn't a nation at that time, but more like a region🇪🇦🇵🇹), more wars focused in the mediterrean and northern Africa instead of central Europe. Probably the culture and organization of the unified state would be developed differently (not so many bankrupcy of the state). After all, Charles I of Spain (and V of Germany) accession to the throne changed Spain and the empire a lot.

@espadarte_ex

Жыл бұрын

I would really love to see this one.

@SootShade

11 ай бұрын

@@ivangasconmora1059 This is along the lines of what I've been theorizing as well. I suppose the wars in the Mediterranean would in particular mean a prolonged rivalry with the Ottomans, whereas less Spanish involvement could mean a lot of changes for the HRE - in particular the Low Countries and the Habsburgs - just as it could mean avoiding some disastrous entanglement for Spain. Portugal becoming, and staying, part of Spain would certainly change things as far as the colonies of the two as well. But I really just started with the idea of a timeline where Spain is more or less a hegemonic power up until the 19th century, and this seemed like the most plausible point of divergence from which to get there. Thus the timeline requires also that the French never eclipse a stronger Spain on the continent, and that the inclusion of Portugal in the union helps Spain remain the dominant colonial power much longer. But at that point the divergence goes so far that I won't even pretend to know what the world would look like, so at this point I'm just using it as an excuse to include whatever other interesting scenarios I can think of.

@ivangasconmora1059

11 ай бұрын

@@SootShade I think Spain would have been the hegemonic power in europe until the 1700 when France would take that position. And the Spanish Empire would be the richest and strongest in other continents and through the seas until the Napoleonic Wars. After that, it would just remain as a powerful colonial nation during the 19th and 20th century. Maybe Germany would be stronger or maybe not if the hasburg mantains the title of emperor or if other dinasty takes over.

@SootShade

11 ай бұрын

There's a lot of potential for HRE, and later Germany, to look very different in a timeline where Spain doesn't get as involved in the region. Who knows whether the Habsburgs would survive as a dominant force without a strong ally in Spain, and who might take over if they don't. The map of a unified Germany could also look very different, such as possibly including much of the Low Countries. As for France, I'm thinking that, for my slightly fanciful timeline to work, the whole state might have to get neutered, if not outright collapse, early on. I don't know how exactly that might happen, but otherwise it's indeed a little hard to see how France doesn't eventually become the dominant power in Europe.

No major power would give up their coast line also Treiste was Austrias main trade port of the empire and the Empires most important Military naval base in the empire there is no scenario exept a military defeat where austria would give up the city

Man, I really like the fact that you nerfed the British navy heavily.

I highly doubt that after the war Italy would gain more land form Austria-Hungary, especially all the coast basically. It just doesn't make sense why they would give up territory post war. While the negotiation in the alps are realistic, and I think could've played out, I doubt AH would cede Trieste as it was the major port for the k.u.k. marine. Besides that the push into France was realistic IMO, as Germany almost had Paris in our timeline. But i don't see why with Italy on the central powers side they would do better against the Russians. The north Africa front was important too, but I doubt that besides capturing Egypt with the ottomans, they would have such an easy time pushing the entente out. All in all, good video and keep up the work

@GigaRoman

10 ай бұрын

If AH didn't cede Trieste to Italy the latter probably wouldn't join the Central Powers. This happened IRL as AH offered Italy Trento in exchange for neutrality in the war,but Italy wasn't satisfied and also asked for Trieste,and AH refused.

@isaacskinner5565

10 ай бұрын

They would do better against the Russians because there was less pressure on the French front and a complete lack of an Italian front (for AH)

Ramania was part of the central powers until the war began, carol the 1st wanted romania in the war in order to take basarabia back but the crown council declined ,in this timeline romania would have joined the war early againt the entente

Great video! Central powers italy is a super underated alt history timeline that deserves more attention IMO

really love your narration and backround animation, great job!

Trieste and Trentino, are totally possible for the Austrians to cede, even if trieste is their most important Harbor, they stll had Pola and other harbors to expand their trade, and naval importance, but more than that, its just impossible for them to cede, first of all the dual monarchy would never give up its dalmatian coast, because they need acces to sea, to be considered a great power, and second of all, they for sure will not let italy get that much land in north africa, something more realistic, are just Egypt, and tunisia, completing an italian corridor through africa to their colonies, in the horn of africa, allowing a later invasion of ethiopia, and completing the italian colonial proces

Great video! Your maps are bellissimo👌

Love your Channel man! Suggestion: What if Napoleon III had won the Franco-Prussian War and then arrenged for his son to marry Princess Beatrice, forging closer ties to the UK?

Fantastic video. Keeps up the great work. Part 2 I hope. Peace ✌🏻

I see a bit of problems in this scenario. First, I doubt that Italy could have this much effect on the French front. By seeing what happen with the weaker Austrian army in the real timeline and also what happened in the Second World War on the french front the impact of an Italian offensive would be very little. Second Austrian, Italian and Ottoman Navies were way weaker than French and English one, so Mediterranean domination is also problematic and without naval supremacy invasion of Corsica and North Africa could have had problem. Also France and UK have many more troops in Africa than Italy. Ottoman got defeated in real timeline also so wouldn't be so much of an help. Third, the territorial gains of Italy are too generous. If Italy would win, aslo Ottoman would win, seems unlikely they wouldn't want some of their old possession back in Africa. Austria giving Italy the balkanic coast is science fiction. Also Italy had an hard time to control only Libia at the time, it seems hard that they would able to occupy al north Africa and also forcefully occupied Suez Canal against Germany. For the rest nice entertain video and nice quality.

Sorry for the delay with the videos. The original file got corrupted so I had to restart the entire thing, if there are any animation mistakes I am sorry I also launched a discord server if you are interested: discord.gg/t4KWnJQC4S

@danielsantiagourtado3430

Жыл бұрын

Don't worry man! we understand! I know it wikk be worth it!

@Lord_Of_Aether

Жыл бұрын

The link doesn't work

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

@@Lord_Of_Aether yeah sorry, fixed it

@Diamond-vy1lx

5 ай бұрын

Upset at the Romania mistake, but we move. I do prefer detailed ultrarealistic development of events after the trigger event(s) that the scenario is based on. Looking forward to a future remake. PS: You know those videos "What if everything went perfectly for X in [historical period]"? Romania did get one of the best story arcs and results by the very end of it all in our timeline. PPS: My mind can't get the grasp of how much of a "crossroad of destiny" ww1 was. That's why it's the best period for what if scenarios.

I love youre great work!

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

him: let me just buff italy a little bit italy: strong as the ussr in the cold war

We want a part 2 ❤🇮🇹 Your videos are more detailed and perfect than the great documentaries on TV 👍

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

thanks so much for the praise, I hope it does well enough for a part 2

@ant_cosacco1306

Жыл бұрын

It's literally impossible that it doesn't go well

@GigaRoman

Жыл бұрын

​@@Videntis.Historycan u make it so Italy stays with the Central Powers

@xianxiaemperor1438

11 ай бұрын

@@Videntis.History Please consider doing a video on ''What if Carthage industrialized?''

@charliesargent6225

10 ай бұрын

@@Videntis.History Down vote as soon as I saw the USUAL "Italy's betrayal" didn't bother with the rest of this BS video. The AUSTRIANS betrayed the Alliance and their similar cousins Germany betrayed Italy AGAIN in WW II breaking the Pact of Steel promising Italy 3 years to prepare then invading Poland only 4 months later WITHOUT notifying Mussolini, dragging an unprepared Italy into WW II. ANOTHER biased video on Italy full of LIES, like 99% of all those on YT.

your videos are very good

I love how you cover both modern and ancient Western history, the first video I watched was the Athens one and it was aesthetically great and content rich even though I didn’t know much on the topic. maybe expand to early-modern history as well 🤓

No way Austria gives up Dalmatia

Even it bit too unrealistic, it good nonetheless to explain what if italy joining central power instead of entente power. If you instead focus what entente had promise to Italy and they break it, you will know that the central power will do the same or similar to it. No Power that will give up large amounts of territory for appease one nation when still need to balance out the power. If Italy get that territory then the alliance will break immediately and the hostility between two nation begin.

I think Malta should also have been mentioned for a bit, had Italy sided with the Central powers, they would have tried taking Malta, with the island serving as "the nurse of the Mediterranean" in reality, the Italian attempt (maybe even successful attempt) to take the Maltese islands would have impacted the entente troop's medical wellbeing because since Malta served as a base to heal wounded troops, the Italians taking the island would lead to the Entente's medical wing struggling more, leading to their troops taking longer to recover and more rushed medical infrastructure having to be built, costing the Entente further budget and potential land for war factories.

I always enjoy discussing possible different historical outcomes. As to this one, I think Italy lacked the military and industrial capabilities to make the large gains predicted in the video. The main impact of Italian troops attacking France instead of Austria, as discussed, would be the Schlieffen Plan probably working because of France diverting troops to the south, and Austria Hungary doing better against Serbia and Russia because no troops were required against Italy. Italian gains would probably have been Savoy, Corsica, Tunisia, Malta, Cyprus, and Egypt in addition to the Austrian concessions Italian speaking South Tyrol and Trieste.

I really enjoyed the video

Love your videos! Question: how do you animate your videos and what software do you use for the moving objects?

@Videntis.History

11 ай бұрын

I use apple motion, I may make a video on behind the scenes in the future

Can we get a video series continuing what if italy United in 1444. What if 1444 alternatw Italian Colonialism. What if 1444 Italy joined triple entente and allies in ww1 and ww2.

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

Here the thing, my part 2 to the Alexander video did bad, so I don't plan on making any part 2s unless the videos do really well, but that was my favorite video and I may do a part 2 to it at some point in the future. I don't know when, but I can promise you it will be made at some point, just not soon.

What if Henry V Survived and Enforced the treaty of troyes, giving birth to an anglo-french empire

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

so the angevin empire? thats an awesome idea

@danielsantiagourtado3430

Жыл бұрын

@@Videntis.History Yep! Time to bring back the Plantagenets to Glory!

Beautiful video is very interesting if Italy had sided with the forces of the central powers. but there is an error in the map at point 3.39 on the city you wrote it wrong, it's not Treiste but Trieste. This is not a criticism but simply a correction. Anyway you gained a new follower haha

Good video, but I feel like you kind of forgot about the existence of the Senussi Order during WW1 with how easily they walked through North Africa and took over Egypt before 1916. I also doubt that the Italian and Ottoman fleets would be able to just kick the Royal Navy out of the Mediterranean like they did in the video, since the British navy was double or triple the size of the Italian and especially Ottoman navies in 1914 if I'm remembering correctly. While I still think the Central Powers probably would have won if Italy joined their side, it wouldn't have been as much of a cakewalk as it was made out to be in the video and Italy definitely couldn't have walked away with all of North Africa under it's control. Still a very well made video, though. Keep it up.

@alphaeins6560

Жыл бұрын

There is still the austrian fleet thought

@jasonskeans3327

11 ай бұрын

@@alphaeins6560 they couldn't help

I love your channel

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

thanks so much

Neat. Grande Columbia? I think this would be well for where your channel currently is.

I swear if this scenario turns into Rome ill cry

@Chosen_Ash

Жыл бұрын

It really wouldnt

@Diamond-vy1lx

5 ай бұрын

Shouldn't *

15:45 alsace lorrain was not an expansion it was already part of the empire

@Undrewie

Жыл бұрын

He is talking about modern day alsace lorraine, it has expanded in time, what was referred as alsace lorraine during ww1 is now alsace moselle

*"Yo Videntis, nice new name"* *"Can't wait for that Horn of African Adal Alternate History, What if Adal unified the horn if Africa and* *spread across east Africa reach coastal south africa and colonizing the great lakes"* 🤔🤔🤔

Do a part 2 please

Your Content is so Good. Here's some more Great War AH Ideas: What if the Ottomans joined the Entente? What if Spain had joined the Central Powers? What if Britain Joined the Central Powers? What if Belgium had allowed Germany to move it's troops through their country? What if Austria Hungary had left the war in 1916? What if The Netherlands Joined either the Central Powers or the Entente? What if Japan had joined the Central Powers? What if Bulgaria joined the Entente? What if The Great War hadn't escalated? What if Germany scrapped the Shlieffen plan and invaded Russia? What If Khedive Abbas of Egypt had Joined the Central Powers? What if The United States had joined the Central Powers? What if Afghanistan Joined the Central Powers?

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, I will add these all to my list

@ibro8855

Жыл бұрын

​@@Videntis.HistoryThanks. The Great War is one of my favourite events of history.

Why you have a so small amount of Subscribers Ur so good at alt history

How old are you? You sound very young. I'm 21, and I love history. I'm happy when people around my age love history as well😊

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

im in university

You forgot to go over Japan's opposition to the Central Powers and how this outcome would've influenced them. This needs a Part Two.

I find the borders highly unrealistic but great video!

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

Thanks and that’s fair, is there anything else I can improve?

@farmonxqc9370

Жыл бұрын

@@Videntis.History I think your videos are already really good. Its just with this one that Italy gained too much land. I would feel like they would be promised Savoy, Nice, Corsica, Tunisia, Jubaland, rest of Libya and potentially a bit further into Egypt or Algeria. And Greece was in ww1 so italy might also take some territory from them that Venice used to own

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

@@farmonxqc9370that makes sense, thanks for the nice and well though out reply

Can you do what if Aurelian did not get assassinated? Thank you

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

yeah, great idea

Need a pt2

With wich app do you make these maps and animations

What if władysław III survive the battle of Varna What if Louis of Anjou and his wife Yolande (daughter of John I) became King and Queen of Aragon What if Gaston De Foix survived the battle of Ravenna What if Charles the Bold turned Burgundy into a kingdom

Aw man! I missed the opening! But I was taking a bath earlier. Also, how did my request for the video about the Commonwealth of Poland and Lithuania coming?

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

i am making a video about poland but I put it on hiatus because it became way too long, around 1 hr. I don't know when it will be done, but I do have that on my list for future videos, I just am not sure of the date.

@lerneanlion

Жыл бұрын

@@Videntis.History I'm glad to hear that you did not abandon it. And wow! An hour long?! That's awesome! And I guess that you did take in what I said in that long comment, right?

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

@@lerneanlion yeah some of it, kinda, the video is very unique and original, and there hasn't been anything like it

@lerneanlion

Жыл бұрын

@@Videntis.History I only hope that you did not abandon it, of course. So good luck!

I don'think that so much land would be given to Italy and I think you forgot but Portugal was in world war one and in the map of africa Angola was given to Germany but Mozambique was still under Portuguese control but still this alternate timeline to me is very interesting and you did a relatively good job in this video

Yea this scenario leaving austria hungary basically landlocked prob would not have sat to well with them. I could see a-h becoming bitter for being screwed as italy did in OTL. Possibly joining britain, france, and russia in what im guessing would be another war.

will you make a video on if napoleon won the napoleonic wars?

This feels like an actula documentary

Minor nitpick, all of the captions are in one line, which makes it so that 90% or so of the captions are impossible to read, and the captions only stay up for maybe 15 seconds. Other than that, I'd say this was pretty good.

This feels way too much like a WW2 scenario. France would've likely surrended if the war went so badly early on, and I don't see how Germany would be able to make such massive gains on Russia. The partition of Africa in this timeline is totally unrealistic as well.

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

The Russian front here was almost identical to the actual Russian front in ww1 where the Germans destroyed the russians

@SpicyCheeseAltHistory

8 ай бұрын

@@Videntis.Historythey obviously know zero history lmao

I don't understand why they gave Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, and most of North Africa to Italy and Germany, especially with the historic turkish control there, and their losses against the Entente powers in those lands. Likely Northern Africa (With the exception off Ethiopia) would've fallen into Ottoman hands.

The scenario depicted here wasn't the one agreed between the German and Italian High Commands. Under this agreement the Italian army was to provide an Army Corp that was to be deployed on the southern german border facing the french from the switz border to Colmar. This whould have allowed the German HQ to have more trops available for the Schlieffen plan. As Austria was against the predicted movement of Italian troops and supplies thru his territory there was even a plan to invade Switzerland in order to occupy one of the valley leading from Italy to Germany and have a supply line under the direct control of the Italian Army. The French-Italian border was deemed impossible to breach, so large operations on this front wasn't considered: the germans was sure that they could easily reach Paris if the italians supplied them the agreed Divisions. Italy had a long coastline, and Sardinia provided some extra problems, so the Italian Navy was to have a hard work to do. Libia and Eritrea was considered lost from the start unless the Ottomans was lending an helping hand, but this was considered impossible at best. If You are interested You could read the book "Studi Storico Militari - 1984" pubblished by the Ufficio Storico dello Stato Maggiore dell'Esercito Italiano.

This kind of reminds me of the ww2 what ifs. One decision could of changed the war drastically from taking years longer to stale mates leaving a DSWP still in charge of Germany to this day.

I can't wait.

What if the maurya n empire never fell

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

good idea

Im not sure I can contemplate a history with less than 349582 battles of the Isonzo

How do yo umake these videos

I think this video is too generous to Italy. It is much more likely that they would have gained Tunisia, Corsica, Upper Savoy and Nice from France, not huge swathes of ethnically Occitan land including major cities like Lyon and Marseilles. Furthermore, a ceding of the Dodecanese islands and Dalmatian coast from the Ottomans and Austria respectively seems very unlikely, as they had already been generously compensated with French lands, and Germany would see no reason to pressure their allies into giving up land in Italy (other than the initial ceding of Trentino and Istria in 1902). Lastly, I think it is far more likely Egypt would be brought into the German sphere as an independent state, as Italy would already be at their limit of what they could control, and Germany would not be keen to allow the weak and unreliable Italians to hold on to a vital area like the Suez canal. A good video all in all, but it does seem to be more of a "what if everything had gone unrealistically perfectly for Italy in WW1", and less of a "what would have realistically occurred if Italy joined the central powers".

Can we have the map you use please !!!

Please do a part two where the Italians reconquer their former Roman Empire

Please make a part 2 the video has 3.2k likes

I feel like his alt history's need a bit more work, also maybe some better troop placement and territorial painted. Besides though that I quite enjoy.

pt 2 please

How do you animate your videos

@Videntis.History

11 ай бұрын

i use apple motion

@theactingace

11 ай бұрын

@@Videntis.History thanks

Can you do what if axis won ww2?

This Scenario is mostly unlickely. Austria would ahve never given up this much land, and especially not Southtyrol and Trieste. Southtyrol because the only reason why the Tyrolians accepted Habsburg rule was because they promised to never Part Tyrol. And Trieste not because it was a Freecity and the most important Tradeport of the Empire.

U're giving the italians much more credit than they deserve. I think they would've helped but not to this degree. For example they probably would've got stuck in the alps.

Romania joined after the successes of the Russian offensive in Galizia... they would never have entered with Russia on the brink of collapse

I like the implication that even after gaining so much, the italians are still treacherous just to reform rome

I dunno about this. I'll have to fire up my old freeware Axis&Allies game to check.

I don’t think that communism would have spread in russia because in real life the Germans freed Lennin so that he could create chaos for the tsarist goverment. But in this timeline they would not have freed him because they are not tied up on the western front and they didn’t need to have a breaktrough on the eastern front.

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

thats a good point

based italian dream

I think your scenario is quite possible, but while I think Italy would have been a big game changer, I am unsure it would have gone as well as your scenario. I mainly think this because the Italian army was not that good in WW1 they had pretty poor equipment and bad moral issues. They mostly fought Austria Hungary which also had an army in poor shape. I think if Japan had also joined the central powers would have to take on the UK navy and UK territory in Asia, then I think it would have been very likely the central powers would have won.

What if burgundy had survive as an independent power

@Videntis.History

Жыл бұрын

thats a really good idea

I enjoyed the video, and much of it was pretty realistic. But I doubt any combination of naval forces could have weakened the British navy to the point that the Central Powers take Egypt.

What if the First Mexican Empire survive?

@MrGreenOffical

Жыл бұрын

You Mean if Mexico Won the Mexican-American War, or It Never Happends?

@olatsby2497

Жыл бұрын

@@MrGreenOffical No no, when Mexico achived his independence in 1821 it was an Empire, the empire fall 2 years later because Agustín de Iturbide (The Mexican Emperor) doesn’t want to sell Texas and California to USA, so the ambassador convinced several mexican generals to rebel against the empire, in short, they overthrew Iturbide and the empire because it was not convenient for the US government so the what if is about what if the empire survived to the rebellion or the rebellion wouldn’t have happened

What if austrian empire won the austro-prusian war or Austria Hungary has better army in ww1

@alphaeins6560

Жыл бұрын

Or if the hungarians didnt stop anny attemtpt to reform

Italy would have massive troubles to hold french colonies having less troops. And the same goes to Eygpt were the Ottomans will help rebellion against the Italians which will go into an open war.

No chance in hell that Austria would give up South Tyrol, Trieste and Istria. Trentino seems possible, and maybe Dalmatia too, but those 3 regions where non-negotiatable as 1 a core land of Austria (which until today is more Austrian than Italian, despite multiple forceful attempts to italianize it) and the other 2 where the windows to trade for Austria.

The consequences of justinians conquests without the plague would be interesting

Do a video on Bulgaria

Do a part 2 where Italy goes on to Reform a new Roman Empire

They did! They just didn't stay with them and that's where the Italy always switches sides meme comes from.

really good video but the entente would surrender way sooner

As an Italian I think perhaps it would have been convenient for us to support the Central Powers, IF Austria hadn't proved to be a treacherous and unreliable ally

@alphaeins6560

Жыл бұрын

You mean not giving them their main naval port and land that they had for hundret of years?

@idk-cj8mn

11 ай бұрын

​@@alphaeins6560was it not worth it to win the war? And not really, the territories Italy asked for had already italian culture and a majority of italian speaking people, just like the majority of the already collapsing Austro-hungary who had litterally too many different ethnic groups to be a single country.

@idk-cj8mn

11 ай бұрын

​@@InsertAccountSavoy and Corsica have been French for centuries, unlike the territories Italy wanted from Austro-hungary.

@alphaeins6560

11 ай бұрын

@@idk-cj8mn South tirol and triest belonged both to the habsburges since the 14 th century

@idk-cj8mn

11 ай бұрын

​​​@@alphaeins6560 doesn't change anything i've said in the previous comments dude, Savoy and Corsica didn't have a majority of italian speaking population nor italian culture. Austro-Hungary was destined to collapse.

The peace deal makes no sense, germany already hade Elsass-Lothringen. Also Austria-Hungary would rather fight for the allies than give up southtyrol to italy.

@konstaa5091

2 ай бұрын

AH giving up trentino is a bit realistic since immense pressure from Germany will make them cede it and not to mention the north part of south Tirol (German speaking ) was still under AH, other than that this video is heavily biased towards Italy and no way AH would give up their coastline

Great video but I think Greece would have joined the central powers in this scenario as the naval dominance (that our prime minister was so worries about) was in the hands of the central powers and the king was pro German, it would be likely that Greece would have joined the central powers with the promised lands of northern Epirus and Cyprus

I Find it unlikely that the Entente would keep fighting after the fall of Paris, instead probably signing a negotiated peace, in which the Central powers achieve some moderate territorial gains in Europe and vastly expanding their colonial holdings.

France being fully occupied is pretty silly. This isn't HOIIV or WW2, its WW1, where countries actually engage in diplomacy instead of just fully occupying every enemy they fight. France realistically would've surrendered as soon as it became clear that Paris was permanently lost, trying to minimise casualties and territorial loss.

this it to good

Counter scenario, Italy being given such claims by the germans and Austrians prepares to fight. When the war begins Italian forces make progress but are slowed in southern France thanks to British aid in the North leading to a larger commitment of British forces early on. As for Africa Italy would make progress into Tunisia but would be slowed thanks to overstretched supply lines while in Italy British forces would first repel then advance into lybia making advancements into the Ottoman empire far slower. By late 1916 Italy is largly bogged down on all fronts. But a red uprising on the French lines forces France out of the war and Russia soon after. French loyalists flee to North Africa putting up a surprising counter offensive beating the italians out of Algeria. The communists on France secure much of the mainland and try to regain all French land pre 1914 before ending the war eventually leading to a new border with Italy with minor changes in Italys favour. Before going to deal woth the germans in thw North. The war is an eventual victory for the central powers but a slim one, as Britian was never beaten, still holding large sections of northern France from both the communists and Germany. Much of Eastern Europe would be under German rule but the Russia and French communists would ally themselves to defend against Germany forcing a war weary Germany to stay were it was. Italy after doing not grate overall would be snubbed by both Germany and Austria where eventually they would become fascist and ally with the French and Russians to appose Germay and their puppet in Austria. Meanwhile Britan under the early rule of Churchill would turn the Grench Loyalists into a protectorate and keep hold of key ports in northern France to "aid" the German's if the French wish to spread the revolution.