What if the treaties after WW1 were treated like another Congress of Vienna, where instead of punishing the aggressors they seeked to restore the balance of power in Europe.

@user-oe4zu5or5y

7 ай бұрын

Tbh I think german wouldn't hate french if they treated like french after the Napoleonic war.

@user-oe4zu5or5y

7 ай бұрын

Also what is the point of British joining ww1 at the cost of their long terms economic.

@ClemTheWhimsical

7 ай бұрын

yeah do this one!

@Gleifel

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@ClemTheWhimsicalthe issue is the french public was out for blood, france was politically unstable even with the damage they inflicted upon germany. Germans had massive political issues because of the myth they they could’ve won being in conflict with the reality of the harsh terms of versailles. Actually imagine for a moment if France had actually won and not had that revenge, it would be the whole betrayal myth but actually come true. France which unlike germany already controlled vast swathes of territory and with it industry, resources and manpower. It’s tempting to think Versailles could’ve gone well but ultimately what happened was probably the closest thing to a good treaty. Though italy was unnecessarily mistreated leading to the rise of fascism there and that would be the one thing I would’ve changed, different treaty though (Treaty of Saint-Germain En-Laye).

@vibravavibing315

7 ай бұрын

Impending third world war with the soviets?

“There is something we could do” - Napolean

@mrsillytacos

7 ай бұрын

Napo Lean?!!! WWWWWWWWW

@Protector-of-Greece-bm4jo

7 ай бұрын

Napoleon

@Donaldduck345

7 ай бұрын

Napoleon

@waltuh2.3bviews3secondsago3

7 ай бұрын

Napolean

@pond7086

7 ай бұрын

Þhąþ wøųłđ hąppəňđ įň øþhəř ųňįvəřßə

Echoing Dutchman doesn't exist, he can't hurt you. Echoing Dutchman: 13:05

@CosmicController146

2 ай бұрын

187 likes and no comments? crazy (first lol)

If France would have been willing to war with Germany over Versailles, and Italy does not support this, I imagine they might be willing to be involved in Spain to a greater extend too. Maybe not enough to change their fate, but I think the topic should have been explored more and not just brushed over.

@nathanwaterser8218

7 ай бұрын

I believe they didn't actively participate because the Spanish Republic would have merely been a Soviet Puppet had they won

@alexzero3736

7 ай бұрын

I won't be so sure that Italy would oppose France in this context. Mussolini stand firm against annexation of Austria in 1934 sending some troops to Alps. Also there was the Stresa agreement in which UK, France and Italy guaranteed independence of Austria. Only harsh sanctions after war in Ethiopia moved Italy into Hitler hands.

@Nikolaj11

7 ай бұрын

@@alexzero3736 Yeah, good point. I did think about Italian designs on Austria as well, while watching the video.

@pierren___

3 ай бұрын

Crazy ! World war 2 was bound to happen, no matter what. War with Republican Spain would have mean war against Germany, contributor. Maybe against Italy too ? Yougoslavia vs italy ? Turkey vs Greece & French empire ? And the UK ?

The Rhineland being the cause of divergence can be familiar to anyone who's ever played France in Hearts of Iron IV.

@alexzero3736

7 ай бұрын

Ah, yes. But French communists here not just cry against war, they rise against warmongering France

@gengarzilla1685

7 ай бұрын

And then the France player gets kicked because people don't like you doing this in multiplayer.

@lunathedungeonmaster4720

7 ай бұрын

@@gengarzilla1685 Me when I've only ever done singleplayer-

@azDanqs

6 ай бұрын

yes and i lose half my army to commies

@alfredandersson875

5 ай бұрын

@@alexzero3736warmonger lul

Poland said to France in 1936 that if France would attack germany Poland would help so in this scenario I think Poland and maybe czechoslovakia would in deed help France

@righthandstep5

7 ай бұрын

For sure if france supported czechoslovakia, there is no nazi Germany getting those needed supplies for Poland, then ussr, etc. Basically hitler is screwed.

@mariotheundying

7 ай бұрын

I wonder if the USSR would join against Poland in this scenario, and then causing WW2, a different one tho, where Germany and the USSR team up

@Patman0074

7 ай бұрын

In this scenario there wasn't really an "attack" though, France was merely upholding the Treaty. An attack would have been pushing out of the Rhineland and invading Germany. Maybe then Poland would/could have joined, but France invading and going further than their treaty obligations is unrealistic.

@alexzero3736

7 ай бұрын

​@@mariotheundyingUSSR at this time was in the heat of Great Purge. They won't do anything.

@ad3l547

7 ай бұрын

Well, there is the "Little Entente" that France is basically leader off, with Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and Romania

I wonder how long Hitler would have lasted in this scenario. His regime was predicated on building a Greater Germany and without any success on that front, would the regime survive? It's possible it might crumble some time in the mid 40s even without military defeat. OTOH, maybe he'd be like Franco and prove surprisingly politically adept and remain in power until the 70s!

@Leyrann

7 ай бұрын

And also, would he even initiate the worst crimes the nazis committed in our worlds, headlined by the Holocaust? With this weaker Germany, they might simply not have the ability. There's also the question of whether a non-violent change in power is possible - I'll admit I'm not familiar with the situation in Germany in the 1930s, such as whether elections were still a thing after the nazis rose to power.

@nathanwaterser8218

7 ай бұрын

​@@RandooGamingConcentration Camps and Extermination Camps The former was already in use before the war, but I think the ladder was only started around 1944

@righthandstep5

7 ай бұрын

​@@RandooGamingthey did happen. Go back to university.

@whitezombie10

7 ай бұрын

Hitler and Mussolini would probably die and bring their regimes down with them like Franco

@thedemonhater7748

7 ай бұрын

@@RandooGamingcope and seethe, your heroes were evil.

As a french man I bet there would be a revolution somewhere in this timeline, just for the sake of respecting our old traditions

The fact that Britain and France actually tought of doing this, but didnt go through because of public opinion is "funny". Machiavelli was right sayin that if you base your reputation in the masses, you are putting it on mud. Bismarck was a good leader because he literally didnt care about public opinion, mostly due to his aristocratic nature. And in the end the masses made him the hero of Germany anyway lol

@o5-1-formerlycalvinlucien60

7 ай бұрын

The good of the nation is the good of the people.

@kingofhearts3185

7 ай бұрын

​@@o5-1-formerlycalvinlucien60 Evidently it wasn't here considering it would have spared the world another war.

@antoniocampen

7 ай бұрын

​@@kingofhearts3185he means that the good of the nation goes before the good of the people, even if it goes against their will or even against a part of your people. you took it to mean the opposite.

@kingofhearts3185

7 ай бұрын

@@antoniocampen Ah, I've never heard that phrase before. I very much agree.

@yets0

7 ай бұрын

didnt bismarck oppose the annexation of alsace-lorraine and the start of colonization but had to give in because of public support

You should have mentioned Poland would be willing to assist France in invasion of germany

@dogsittinggay7273

7 ай бұрын

I don’t think Poland would because I don’t think they’d want to risk being seen as diplomatically untrustworthy because the polish and Germans signed a non agression pact that year I believe

@Jeff_Reyx

7 ай бұрын

@@dogsittinggay7273 When Hitler came to power in Germany, Józef Piłsudski proposed to the French a joint intervention in Germany to remove him from power, but France refused.

@righthandstep5

7 ай бұрын

​@dogsittinggay7273 really? Boy I need to read up on 1930s polish German relations.

@dogsittinggay7273

7 ай бұрын

@@righthandstep5 it might’ve been 1936 but yeah even still the polish we’re expecting an invasion at some point but they only started militarising after the Munich agreement

@zerguskotus2648

7 ай бұрын

@@dogsittinggay7273 Poland considered attacking in 1933 from what i remember but was shut down because of western powers being uninterested, in case France decides to attack Germany Poland may choose to assist France

Man I love PH's videos so much, I want two of them. Genie: your wish is granted 13:06

@countryBall_Maker

3 ай бұрын

Fr

These videos are getting better and better! Great job dude!

@superduck2448

7 ай бұрын

minecraft

@cola-warthunder9888

7 ай бұрын

minecraft

@heffmarktwo

7 ай бұрын

minecraft

@TheStarry1

7 ай бұрын

minecraft

this was a great video keep these coming

Hoping we can see a “What if everything went perfect for Poland” video.

Poland in our timeline itself proposed to invade in 3 moments. After Nazis took power in 1933, after rhineland militarisation in 1936 and when germans annexed austria. OFC it heavily realied on the french backing as it was known that while huge progres would be made, a war alone with just germany can isolate poland in world's stage, letting Stalin to take it to his advantage. Not only that Poland didnt underestimate his opponent knowing well, that if they attack Germany, they can rapidly mobilize as well in other options we already knew about the hidden army as we were quick to break the german code and so risking such move would be disasterous if france wouldnt intervene, which after asking if they would, they declined.

@ooi97

7 ай бұрын

Exactly. Poland's existence was based on the Treaty of Versailles and it wanted it to be upheld in full. It would 100% go to war with Germany if it found any ally willing to help the uphold the Treaty. IIRC they even asked Japan if it was willing.

@niksarass

2 ай бұрын

It wasn't France who declined it was Uk. The French proposed the plan in 1935 and chamberlain refused.

13:06 that echo😂😂😂😂😂😂

13:06 bro got cloned💀

Amazing video Possible History! I loved it

It has been months... can you please make what if everything went perfect for Romania?

@Caterev0038cool

7 ай бұрын

Bassarabia would still be a Romanian territory even after 1941, The Romanian Kingdom would probably be MUCH bigger than in our own tineline

@EpicgamerwinXD6669

7 ай бұрын

I would have preferred if he made it the Halloween special. Where Romania is led by Prince Vlad Tepes, an actual vampire, and thus immortal, in this Timeline.

@stickbugging

7 ай бұрын

Yes

@Transylvanian_Knight

7 ай бұрын

Yes

@Transylvanian_Knight

7 ай бұрын

I think we all need to unite to make this idea a reality!

Ok here there’s a massive mistake. U stated that Italy was more sympathetic to Germany which isn’t at all the case as Italy itself called for an invasion of Germany only 2 yrs before your start of the scenario furthermore the Spanish civilwar hasn’t kicked in yet and that’s where the relationship between Italy and Germany started to change ( which is why the nazis joined in the first place as they didn’t gave a fuck about the Spanish and the Italians were there only because they were trying to turn all Latin nations fascist). If France however wanted to do this Italy would 100% try to get something out of it aside of not having big Germany looming over their head from Austria which is the main reason for which Mussolini didn’t join the allies but preferred aligning himself with Hitler with the creation of the axis. But don’t be mistaken both the italo-German alliance and the Molotov ribentrop pact were a result of Anglo-French incompetence more than Germany ability

@ShubhamMishrabro

7 ай бұрын

Italy was ready to go war with Germany when Germany annexed austria. Their relationship changed when Italy occupied Ethiopia and Germany supported them

@SundryTurnip

7 ай бұрын

Although this is a mistake it isn’t a massive one as Benito Mussolini would not care enough to invade Germany anyways.

@alexzero3736

7 ай бұрын

Yes, that!

@MN-vz8qm

7 ай бұрын

Indeed, the whole scenario is built on a very bad knowledge of the actors of the time.

@shinobirecords2018

3 ай бұрын

Thank you, someone had to bring this up.

If I had money then I would definitely donate it to you since the best part of my week is when you upload a very enjoyable video twice a week.

Napoleon be like: Guess who’s back!

The thing that is missing in the video is that Poland would help France in war with Germany. In our timeline the polish government accually proposed France the intervention over the Rihnland, but France refused. With that in mind it is very possible that France and Poland should quckly win the war, Germany would lost very important territories like Upper Silesia and Saarland and the nazi government would be overtrowed

@schellwalabyen4656

7 ай бұрын

But how would that look on the world stage? France bullying Germany with Poland…

@architech02

7 ай бұрын

France wouldn't agree with Poland joining and it will leave Poland diplomatically isolated leaving them without allies from the Soviets

@possiblehistory

7 ай бұрын

I did consider this, but this would in my opinion only happen if Germany refused to surrender after French intervention. Getting Poland to join in lessers the idea of France being the protective hegemon, and taking further territories from Germany - whether it be France or Poland - isn't great either for international standing. The nazi government was still young, its horrors not fully known or executed. Removing it from power would mean total war which France wasn't ready or willing to do.

@Kampi_PL

7 ай бұрын

I know what you mean but in my opinion Poland would declare war on Germany by itself. This was the perfect moment for that, they had a reason for the aggression and basing on the rigged referendum in Silesia and Masuria they could even get very strategic regions. Realistically speaking the only thing that would block them is possibility of Soviet aggression. Looking at the international standing, Poland would loose the reputation and they would get punished becouse of the things they did but overall i think they wouldn't care as much about that, because of the territorial bennefits they could get. This would be an idiot test which in this case they would fail and most likely will lead to an attack from the Soviet side and the Polish failure

@Patman0074

7 ай бұрын

@@Kampi_PL and that would have pushed Poland away from Britain and other international partners, so if you have a diplomatically isolated country bordering right up against the Soviets... what do you think happens? It would be a terrible move by Poland if they invaded Germany.

Another amazing video

Thank you I already thought that this was a Special video only Channel members could watch

the amount of horrible mistakes that allies made that lead to early german successes in ww2 is impressive lol

@titcab8159

6 ай бұрын

At this Time the French president and UK prime minister went to germany to discuss about german invasion of austria , they agreed to let germany do anything they want. When French president came Back to France. He was greeted by the people because he « saved france from a war ». He knew What he just did in germany and Said « oh no, they are imbeciles » He realised his mistake and knew a world war was going to happen. But he was afraid of losing opinion from French people

@AmirSatt

6 ай бұрын

the people in France werent of one opinion though. It were the socialists who naively thought that war could be avoided. France must've acted tough when it had advantage over Germany, ia when germans entered Rheinland because Hilter was wisely afraid and ordered to retreat immediately if the allies show up. There might have been a chance to avoid ww2, all countries were already recovering from great depression. To be honest, austrian painter wasn't even planning a major war, when he demanded Danzig he legit thought that France and Britain wouldn't come at him, and was scared af when the war was declared, reportedly saying "what now?" @@titcab8159

@pierren___

3 ай бұрын

​@@titcab8159 its Chamberlain who did that.

There was a nice echo at the end. I liked it

13:07-13:12 possessed possible history 💀

Love the video

Most importantly, WW1 would still be called the Great War

France: I will do what i must Germany: You will try!

Great video, as always, but just one thing, in the outro, your last sentence gets duplicated. Keep up the great work!

13:06 trippy

You should do some audiobooks, you have such a soothing voice

What if everything went perfect for Romania

i like this video good job

Suggestion man! What if the assasin killed franz joseph and his brother maximolian became Emperor?😊😊😊😊😊

@eneaganh6319

7 ай бұрын

Yes, a serbian student that hates austria reigning over Austria seems perfect

@supersuperdanila

4 ай бұрын

That is certain history

yet another banger

France strikes back! LOVE your content 🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤

@JakeDaaSnakeYT

7 ай бұрын

“There is something we could do” - Napolean

@KixverzEditz

7 ай бұрын

Fr*nce

@SwePol

7 ай бұрын

@@KixverzEditzFrance has actually won the most battles in history.

@stupiditiusmaximus

7 ай бұрын

​@@SwePol🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮

@yanisrigaudy5469

7 ай бұрын

​@@KixverzEditzvery funny and original, you must be proud

I love possible history

It’d be cool if you did war treaty votes for alternate war scenarios/endings, such as the Central Powers winning WW1.

"puts their foot down" sounds way too familiar doesnt it?

The end of the video is halarious

Love to hear crisp mic quality compared to some of your earlier videos. Congrats on 100k too!

Good video

Possible Historian having a schizoid moment editing this pre-scheduled uploaded video, around 13:05

I think Poland would be willing to aid the French in the invasion, as in out timeline Poland actually proposed a preemptive attack on Germany a few times, but the propositions were turned down by France.

@niksarass

2 ай бұрын

By UK not by France. France did in 1925...

France: Germany don’t do that! Germany: No France: Ok :)

new vid time babyyyy

When Germany anunsed its territorial ambitions, Poland offered France to invade Germany in a two fronts war, but France rejected this proposal. I think you should make a video with this in the future

@wakpuissant5780

7 ай бұрын

French army could'nt invade germany even the invasion of poland because french army was desing to defend not attack and most general incompetant and this lack of attack and good general have been see when France try to attack the sigfrig lines( an absolute catastroph for french army)

@CuentaQueNoDebeDeExistir

7 ай бұрын

@@wakpuissant5780 Yes, I know. But it will be interesting video

@andrefasching1332

7 ай бұрын

​@@wakpuissant5780of course they could have done it.

@wakpuissant5780

7 ай бұрын

@@andrefasching1332French army in 1939/1940 dosen't have the artillery or tank who can breakthrough the siegfrieg line event the low german personal. The general staff have seen this when in only one low attack france take 2000 casulaties agains 200

@pierren___

3 ай бұрын

France had more tanks than Germany lol. The problem was the defensive doctrine, but that could have been changed. ​@@wakpuissant5780

finally so,eone with quality does this case

Will we have a perfect Japan video? Ive noticed it was removed from your planed videos

wow i love this timeline

What if everything went perfect for Romania when?

Am I the only one who heard an echo at the end. It was freaky but kinda cool too.

You should do a scenario where WW2 begins in 1938

This was a great scenario! I’m left wondering about what would have happened in the domestic politics of the Soviet Union, Germany, and the US in the 1940s and 50s without the defining event of World War 2, and also how the decolonization of India and Southeast Asia would unfold without the Asian theater of World War 2.

in that case german schools would still teach that "both world wars were germanys fault"

@AshkanPacinoan13

7 ай бұрын

there would be no second war though

@Raphael-pt7rx

7 ай бұрын

@@AshkanPacinoan13 the video is about whaht would happen if france invaded germmany in 1935, that means there was a first world war, and this invasion is the second (world) war

Depressing how good this timeline is, if France had acted like that. You didn't even mention the holocaust which may have been avoided despite all the antisemitism.

@LordOfTheSith66

2 ай бұрын

What’s the holocaust

The No-no Germans really just should have stopped expanding after annexing Czechia.

@lronhayden

7 ай бұрын

Sudetenland borders look cursed though, Czechia is all shriveled up

You’re like the one alt history guy on here that doesn’t treat materialist views of history with revulsion, a candle in the darkness.

“Shir, meant to upload that tomorrow” - PH 2023

Somehow I don't see this scenario often

But wouldn't/shouldn't this start earlier? Like not accepting the young plan and continued occupation of the Rheinland?

in 1935 Poland wanted to convince france to preemptively strike germany, so i'm certain that poles would get themselves involved in this scenario somehow

I’m gonna try this in HOI4 in a 1933 start date.

i thought i was tripping at the end lmao

It’s insane that Germany excepted the Treaty of Versailles, a lot of countries at the time would have fought to the bone to no have that treaty.

My guy has to calm down, bro is grinding these videos like there is no tomorrow.

Wait. Did you do the video on the viewers choose ww1?

Hello, does anybody know what song is playing on the background?

It is actually similar to what happened in 1923 in the Ruhr.

Fun fact: Poland wanted to invade Germany and the Piłsudzki called French president to attack them from the west and Poland will attack from the east and French president respondent by laughting

What if everything went perfect for Mexico

I wonder what would happen if restrictions on tank production led to the Germans building mechs as a loophole to remilitarize. I'm pretty sure the Germans had such advanced rocket technology because of the Versailles treaty not targeting rockets. BTW, this is my best explanation for how mechs could come about considering their inferiority to tanks. I'd make a reddit post, but I'm banned and I don't want to make another account.

Lore of What If France Invaded Germany in 1935? Momentum 100

Day 2 of asking for what if everything went perfect for the ottomans

Realistically I would predict that Italy would focus more on relations with Spain and backing Austrian independence. The USSR meanwhile would have sights set on Poland but would be happy with Germany being contained due to Stalins good relations with the west prior to the Sudeten crisis

Knowing Edward VII's setup of WW1 and how plenty on high society agreed, Britain would love to keep them down, like they fought a war to have them 💀

7:08 I just want to point out that here PH said that Hungary and Bulgaria were struggling with the aftermath of WWII, when it didn’t happen yet. Just to clarify, I’m only pointing this out so that PH can fix this error as soon as possible! Also, congrats on 100k🎉

Alternative history ideas 1. What if the British didn't detain German ships during the boer war? 2. What if Churchill won the election after ww2 3. What if the USA maid the Soviets pay for aid during ww2 4. What if the USA didn't make Britain pay for aid during ww2 5. What if FDR didn't die during ww2

What is with the echo at the end?

As a Pole I believe Poland wouldn't "just" look at it from the East

Pls make a video "wath if every thing went perfect for romania"

Germany was caught justifying, suffering 25infamy!

pov u choose the this is an act of war event on germany when they remilitirise rhineland hoi4

Why were there two of your voices in the outro

Possible history do an alternative world where Napoleon won the napoleonic wars day 1800s to 2000s

hey PH, I was wondering if you could do a if everything went perfect for Austria Hungary/Austrian empire

What if everything went perfect for Siam/Thailand pls

While it's obviously easy to look back on events and suggest better options, we probably needed to learn the hard way that pushing off problems just makes them bigger problems further down the line. My only hope is that we would carry that lesson forward to now and make better decisions, but the relative inaction by the world after the 2014 annexation of Crimea by Russia is a perfect example of how history repeats. If the world had acted stronger then, we likely would not have the current conflict and general instability that one could liken to the 1930s. We need to deal with threats from rogue states and dictators sooner, because ignoring them doesn't mean the problem goes away.

@grin_golt6562

3 ай бұрын

I am from Russia, and i totally agree with you, but i think west world must doing something alredy during russian invasion in Georgia. But in general, dictatorship in Russia starts much earlier - in 2000, when Putin become president

What if everithing went perfect for Romania

Can you do more viewers vote videos

I recon the french could’ve got the Czechs and poles to join. Promise future safety for the Czechs and polish Silesia to Poland.

when does history 2 start

Ain’t no way did I see “What if Pokémon were real?” on the upcoming videos log… holy shit

Here’s some ideas: what if the euro powers actually had stake in the confederacy, and America became another theater for the powers to fight their grudge battles. Also, what if America was successfully invaded, and the 5 most important powers agreed to split America among themselves (like the allied states of Germany after ww2), such that each region was of equal size and strength. What would these countries be and how do the winners keep them from reuniting

The world would be different

7:35 actually Italy didn't want to go to war with UK or France, Mussolini knew that they are too dangerous as enemies. Only successful breakthrough at Ardennes changed his mind. Real goals of Italy were : dominating the Adriatic sea and increase influence in the Mediterranean, taking down Greece and probably Turkey.

What if everything went perfect for bohemia cuz we are potentially looking forward to unified HRE under Czech control pls