The Royals might've had a chance of staying as the Royals if they had those back to back championships.

@TheOGHoopByTheBook

8 ай бұрын

Especially if Maurice Stokes never got hurt, in this universe

@master-kq3nw

7 ай бұрын

i doubt it that cincinati would won championshiip beacuse boston without russel was strong havlicek cousy also phila wilt was strong on east lakers west baylor would won maybe 3 and hawks peettit

@TheOGHoopByTheBook

7 ай бұрын

@@master-kq3nw lot more great players then you think. Royals had HOFers Oscar Robertson, Jack Twyman, Jerry Lucas, Wayne Embry all together at points during the 60s. Not to mention if Maurice Stokes was healthy in this universe, then goodnight moon that’s a dynasty

@master-kq3nw

7 ай бұрын

@@TheOGHoopByTheBook yes but i think that 76ers and lakers even better without russell celtics was good team havlicek cousy jo jo white cowens kc joines sm jones maybe they would won 6 titlles then you have phil 76ers with chamberlain 76ers was strong in that period wilt every night 50points st louis was good pettit then lakers with west baylor warriors with thurmond barry

Jerry and Elgin would for sure be top 10 and wilt would be the goat more than likely. Oh and bob Pettit would have another ring.

So many things change if there's no Russell. First, a lot of Hall of Fame teammates that people always point out in downplaying Russell's championships, don't make the HoF. Cousy, Hondo, and Sam Jones still do. Some others are borderline. At a minimum, KC Jones and Don Nelson do not make the Hall. Next, with championships, Elgin Baylor is seen as the first in a succession of Jordan like players. He really was that good. Also, Oscar Robertson gets more love today in GOAT conversations. Cincinnati and Syracuse might still have NBA franchises. The Warriors probably stay in Philly, and it's the Sixers that move to California. The Celtic Mystique doesn't exist, so the 84 Lakers are not as susceptible to the head games of the C's. They might win that title. It hurts me to say that as a lifelong Celtics fan, but it's a possibility.

@andrewcook1246

8 ай бұрын

I think Wilt is honestly the biggest beneficiary. Likely wins 5-6 chips and is seen as kareem on steroids

@kel9855

5 ай бұрын

Don Nelson didn't make the Hall as a player. He made it as a coach. He's not borderline either. He's one of the 10 greatest coaches on the NBA-75 list. He has the most coaching victories in NBA history.

Well West would still be the logo for the NBA.

@unclehays750

8 ай бұрын

Mr. Clutch!

Cool video, Uncle Hays! I'm a viewer of Jonny Arnett's videos also. You both make great videos. I've watched some of your other videos, like about how the New Orleans Jazz became the Utah Jazz, how Buffalo lost their team, and the NBA's strangest all star game MVP (and others). You do a nice job. I enjoy learning NBA history and it's been great learning more - especially about the 70s - from your videos. I'm going to subscribe. It's intriguing how much would change with Russell not being in the NBA. As you indicated, it would be impossible to predict exactly how much would change and what would change, but it was cool seeing the simulation results. I know Russell inspired many as well, so it would be interesting (though hard, if not impossible to predict) how much this would affect other players throughout history. Nice work again. :). Take care.

The thumbnail says it all. Without Bill Russell in the NBA - both Wilt Chamberlain and Baylor / West on the Lakers are vying for Russell's title as "Championship GOAT".

Wilt would probably be seen as the GOAT in this scenario

Good clip, very entertaining.

Nice vid Uncle. Jonny is a great inspiration, and don't worry we will always have Hondo's steal in this timeline.

great video idea and i also love jonnt arnett videos and you definitely give the same vibes. sending good vibes your way brother

Good video man❤❤❤❤

Very cool video. As for the player who benefits the most from Russell’s absence, it is without a doubt Wilt Chamberlain. If Chamberlain had his statistical profile and also had 3 or 4 more rings because Russell wasn’t there to beat him all those times, Wilt would definitely be near the top in discussions of the greatest player of all time. Next on the list would be Oscar Robertson, Jerry West and Elgin Baylor and Bob Pettit in some order. All of whom would have at least one or two more championships on their resume.

@BoosterGoldEarth6

7 ай бұрын

Man They would had to get rid of Wilt. Because his stats with 8 rings is not fair

Amazing intro music!

I subscribed both of you . Jonny Arnett and uncle hays. U both deserve 1m subscribers like Mike korzemba

People forget Red Auerbach tried to get Wilt Chamberlain on the Celtics but put the brakes on it out of respect for Bill Russell. While Chamberlain was in college Auerbach tried what was known at the time as a regional draft acquisition of Chamberlain. That didn’t work out but my point is in a scenario where Bill Russell doesn’t exist Wilt likely exist as a Celtic. Honestly it’s good that it didn’t happen because we’d be hearing about the unbreakable 12 or 13 nba titles Red Auerbach won.

@BoosterGoldEarth6

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, that wouldn't work out so well due to Philly owning his rights bc he was born their. Also In Wilt Autobiography he despise Red. Thought he was a SOB, wit that cigar. He would of choke Red

@averydaymond1560

7 ай бұрын

@@BoosterGoldEarth6 Nonsense, Wilt Chamberlain didn’t despise Auerbach.

That was fun

Hey what website can you do these scenarios on? Thought I’d try one out myself.

Hey just curious, where do you find most of information on basketball history. You have a very expansive knowledge of the game and its history and I would like to learn more about older teams and players. Thank you, huge fan of your videos!

@unclehays750

7 ай бұрын

Thanks! I don't know, I'm just the kind of guy who likes to try and learn everything I can about a person or subject. I've always had an interest in history. Honestly most of my basketball education just comes from watching every old school game and free documentary I can find. I used to also read articles, but now I've started reading more books about certain events or people. I'm sorry if this is a really bad answer haha, but in my mind I'm nowhere close to being a scholar of the game just yet.

@mrjohn71398

7 ай бұрын

Awesome, yeah I guess it really come from all kinds of sources. Thank you, I appreciate the help. Looking forward to your next video!@@unclehays750

I see you used WhatifSports for the Sim. While that’s fun to use, I know they changed the way the Sim is done over the years to favor teams that use Lebron, Magic and now Jokic.

Not a goddamn thing would change. Auerbach would fleece some team for another All-Star center and the Celtics would win nine championships in 10 seasons. He was, is and always will be the No. 1 reason for their success.

This is why I have Bill #2

If Bill didn’t exist, Wilt would have won more rings, and the Big O in Cincy as well!

with russell and without russell, the celtics would have won at least 6 championships because they were a good hall of fame team, maybe the lakers would have won three title and st louis philadelphia wilt also

What did you use for the simulation?

@unclehays750

8 ай бұрын

I used the site “whatifsports”

In the beginning you mention Schayes passing Mikan for the scoring record. My understanding was that was the BAA/NBA record, but you used the words “organized basketball”, is this just different word choice for what I described or did the record at the time account for scoring in leagues outside of those two?

@kel9855

5 ай бұрын

Mikan played in the NBL before the Lakers joined the BAA. In fact the Lakers won the NBL championship in 1948 before winning the last BAA titles.

@aaronsherman91

5 ай бұрын

@@kel9855 I’m very familiar with the NBL, and that is the core of my question.

You skipped over the 1967 Finals 🤔

@jordandwiggins1026

8 ай бұрын

I mean if they already didn’t win it’s not like they’d be more likely to without Bill

@J_Ru31352

7 ай бұрын

Sixers won it all in '67 for real for video to skip past, for the only time Russell's Celtics missed going to The Finals in that era.

wilt would have won so many more chips

I wish he gave up basketball to be an activist and try to become the 1st black president, things would be better

easy Lakers would have won 20+ NBA Championship

@Nok5Z

8 ай бұрын

No Wilt would have own them like Bill did They had no C that could battle star Centers like Bill or Wilt this was the reason they lost so many finals to the Celtics especially the 1962 title Bill dropped 30 and 40 on their head in game 7 Wilt would have dropped 150 and 50 if the 1962 Finals was Warriors vs Lakers

@TheIcemanthomas

8 ай бұрын

@@Nok5Zu do realize the warriors weren’t good right? And even with the lakers no having an answer for Russell, they only lost in close battles and arguably were cheated out of a few. Wasn’t like bill was just dominating them offensively or anything.

@Nok5Z

8 ай бұрын

@@TheIcemanthomas Warriors had Paul Arizin Guy Rodgers Tom Gola Al Atles Tom Meschery and Wilt they had good players but they lacked a bench Cheated ? 🧐 Lost because could not make the game winner in the game 7 But still Bill Russell dropped 30 and 40 on the Lakers in game 7 😂 without him Lakers would have won this game Do you understand the defensive impact that he had in this series ? Likely had 10 blocks a game in the series and his blocks and his rebounds started the Celtics fast break Bill in that series : 23 27 6 54 % Yeah Wilt would have destroyed the Lakers

@Nok5Z

8 ай бұрын

Game 1 : 122 108 Cs Game 2 : 129 122 L Game 3 : 117 115 L Game 4 : 115 103 Cs Game 5 126 121 L Game 6 : 119 105 Cs Game 7 : 110 107 Cs Pretty close but the Lakers only lost in close games in the game 7

@Nok5Z

8 ай бұрын

Bill was the Celtics leading scorer rebounder and second in assists in the 1962 Finals while leading the Cs in FG % He is the main reason why the Cs beat them

Red Auerbach likely would have managed to grab Wilt to the Celtics if he didnt have his franchise center. I dont remember the details. Maybe that Wilt documentary Goliath had more.