From 1815 to 1824, after the collapse of the Federalist Party, the USA effectively had no political parties. Historians call it "The Era of Good Feelings."

@mint8648

2 күн бұрын

w james monroe

@spaghettiisyummy.3623

2 күн бұрын

No political parties? No problem.

@CCLethe

2 күн бұрын

Now, that's a bit far-fetched no? The Era of Good Feelings was largely due to the American "victory/stalemate" in the war of 1812. With a new generation after the Revolution being raised with Republican values and immense pride from winning against the British twice, morale was high and internal problems weren't really a problem in the face of America's success

@DaDARKPass

2 күн бұрын

No, it had one party that pretty much everyone agreed with. It's called the era of good feelings because there was basically no disagreement.

@kuto0987

2 күн бұрын

@@CCLethe « victory » sure buddy

“Progressive Conservative” sounds like an oxymoron

@storminmormin14

2 күн бұрын

Republic is a restraint on democracy so Democratic-Republican is also an oxymoron. Edit: A "republic" and a "democracy" often share common ground in that they both emphasize the role of the people in governance. However, a republic is fundamentally a system where the populace elects representatives to make decisions on their behalf, imposing a layer of constraint on direct democratic involvement. This structure is designed to mitigate the potential for the tyranny of the majority, where the immediate will of the people might infringe on the rights of individuals or minority groups. By placing decision-making power in the hands of elected representatives, a republic aims to balance popular sovereignty with a system of checks and balances, safeguarding against impulsive, majoritarian rule and ensuring that laws are deliberated with a degree of stability and continuity. The term "Democratic-Republican" can be viewed as an oxymoron because it juxtaposes two concepts that, while related, embody different approaches to governance. Democracy in its purest form entails direct participation of the people in decision-making processes, as seen in ancient Athenian democracy, where citizens voted on laws and policies themselves. On the other hand, a republic, by definition, distances the general populace from direct legislative or executive action by interposing a representative layer. The seeming contradiction arises because the term suggests a system that is both directly democratic and representatively republican, combining elements that can be inherently at odds. However, in practical terms, many modern states, including the United States, blend these principles, attempting to strike a balance between direct democratic engagement and the stabilizing structure of a republic, thus embodying the nuanced coexistence of the two ideas rather than an outright contradiction.

@spaghettiisyummy.3623

2 күн бұрын

They were regular Morons.

@thrashes6208

2 күн бұрын

The entire point of the Tory party is to betray their base and flank Labour from the left.

@JZTechEngineering

2 күн бұрын

@@storminmormin14 all republics are democratic

@sciencealltheway

2 күн бұрын

​@@storminmormin14 Republic means no monarchy, many democracies are republics.

I really can't believe you skipped over how the Canadian conservatives named themselves CCRAP. Really, man.

@marcduhamel-guitar1985

Күн бұрын

I remember a picture of Preston Manning standing in front of a CCRAP banner, with a huge smile, totally oblivious to the irony of the... uhm, branding! lol

I love that people on the left and right are chanting "Zero seats!" They truly are doomed, especially as the old people age out of the electorate.

@geochonker9052

2 күн бұрын

It's because the conservatives aren't really center right, they are center left. They just say things that right wingers like and then they gain their vote. Not anymore

@TheGerkuman

2 күн бұрын

Whereas a lot of younger people on the left seem to be considering anarchism.

@occamraiser

2 күн бұрын

methinks you misunderstand why older people are more right wing. It isn't an accident of history, it is a question of how people's perspective changes with age. As a person finds that more and more in society is different from the society they were brought up in the more right leaning they tend to become. So the stock of old 'right' people is constantly replenished. How else do you think that the grumpy old man trope survives more than one generation? It's human nature, not political demographics. Also, when I was a teenager, being looked after by my parents, not working, not paying taxes, I thought that everyone should get loads of magic free money from 'the state'. A decade later my attitude to tax and spend was more nuanced, obviously, since I was on both sides of the equation by then.

@gororgelester985

2 күн бұрын

@@occamraiser methinks you misunderstand why older people are more right wing. they're are studies that show that political attitudes are usually stable over time with the caveat that right leaning attitudes are slightly more stable.

@frodododo

2 күн бұрын

@@occamraiserthe data suggests that the reason is moreso that the older people get, the more they have to lose, they have a family, a house, savings, a reitrement plan, and any notion of change has the potential to threaten that, which makes people more conservative. That explains both why conservatives are on average more neurotic, and why that same shift is not happening with this generation, since the people who would normally have this shift have no house because they cant afford to buy one, no family because society keeps growing more isolated and they are forced to spend more time working to keep up with the cost of living, no savings because theyre paying most of their paycheck on rent and food that keeps increasing, no retirement plans because the retirement age keeps increasing and they simply cant afford to, because of the actions of the Tory government over the last 13 years, so now they want change, be that through moving to the centre with labour or the lib dems, or further right through reform

ZERO SEATS, ZERO SEATS.

@geochonker9052

2 күн бұрын

I'll be praying for Farage from the US

@spaceboy9366

2 күн бұрын

@@geochonker9052why

@geochonker9052

2 күн бұрын

@@spaceboy9366 Because he is the only real conservative in the race in the UK. Rishi is a shill. Reform must replace the tories.

@texasred5665

2 күн бұрын

@@geochonker9052 No thank you

@DeSlagen8

2 күн бұрын

@@geochonker9052He said that the west provoked Russia, we CANNOT put up with a Russian puppet. Also their promises are absolutely wild and it would be crazy if they delivered.

Yeah I think you've missed a lot here. This discussion is set up as "divided right vs. United left", which just isn't right. Tory voters are staying at home. Tory voters are switching to the lib dems, to labour, to reform, even to the greens. Labour voters are less likely to stay at home. The idea that people will only move within "left vs. Right vs. Centre" just doesn't hold when there are legitimately voters deciding between the green party and reform.

@danieldeburgh8437

2 күн бұрын

I don’t think anyone is picking between the Greens and Reform.

@dankit2548

2 күн бұрын

@danieldeburgh8437 I go doorknocking, they absolutely are. There's a long history of UKIP/Greens switchers - in Burnley, for example, the Green party took 3 wards which used to have BNP councillors. "Anti establishment" voters will be chosing between those 2 parties

@ibx2cat

2 күн бұрын

I mentioned that populism doesn't neatly fit on the spectrum, and so reform take from all over for sure!

@zo7034

2 күн бұрын

Yeah, I think simplifying for an international audience is important but this video seems like oversimplification to the point of misrepresenting politics in the UK, much of what he said was just plain wrong or abstract to the extreme.

@knightshade2654

Күн бұрын

@@danieldeburgh8437 I would be surprised if many Tories went to the Greens, but Canada's Greens saw many of its voters go to the People's Party (more economically liberal Reform, to be very simplistic). I would not be surprised if the same applied in the UK, with Green's and Reform's sharing of voters.

I think you should do a poll on your community page tomorrow asking how people voted and compare it to the actual election result it would be quite interesting to see how similar your audience is to the rest of the UK.

@Chilliestbean13

2 күн бұрын

But what’s to stop us foreigners from pretending to be eligible to vote and skewing results?

@12Rosen

2 күн бұрын

its the internet so 100% labour

@beanward_xd527

2 күн бұрын

@@12Rosen a lot of reform and green voters online as well I find

@a70770

2 күн бұрын

​@@beanward_xd527 Those are mostly bots

@rbad6215

Күн бұрын

@@beanward_xd527 45% of the population of the internet is reform bots

The Tories are very unlikely to come third, either in terms of votes or in terms of seats. They're likely to get 120-150 seats. If you can vote and want them to be destroyed, make sure you turn up and vote for whichever candidate is most likely to beat them in your area.

@doctorbobcat7123

2 күн бұрын

So essentially you're saying vote for Labour even if you belive the exact opposite of everything they do.

@CraigXJ87

2 күн бұрын

Sky News just had a projection of 102 seats for the Tories (which would have them about 30ish seats ahead of the Lib Dems)

@bhaskarpathak7924

2 күн бұрын

​@@doctorbobcat7123this is what bjp voters in major states did in india coz they were upset with bjp for not doing Enough but after seeing the results they were repenting the most....

@ProsecutorZekrom

2 күн бұрын

There is a 47% chance according to a statistic I saw. A less dubious source would be electoral calculus’s latest poll

@ProsecutorZekrom

2 күн бұрын

@@doctorbobcat7123They aren’t the tactical vote for all seats. Some it’s libdems, some it’s greens, some it’s snp etc.

I'm just very happy to see the two party system crash, I don't care much for Labour or the Tories, as I have a distrust of both parties. BUT, seeing the Tories sink is great. Also, as stupid as I might sound, please don't call the Tories right / far right. They are nothing even close to being that, if they were we'd have seen a lot of changes in this country that they never pulled off.

@TheGerkuman

2 күн бұрын

Economically they ARE right-wing though, at least on a global scale. Anyone supporting free-market capitalism is, by definition. That being said, nearly every UK party currently supports free market capitalism, and the Tories recently have been split between thatcherites (Sajid Javis, Jeremy Hunt etc.) and 'spend money to keep us in power' (i.e Boris' chancellors). So it's a bit muddied.

@sidarthur8706

2 күн бұрын

we have seen a lot of changes, very deadly changes too

@alm9322

2 күн бұрын

​@@TheGerkuman That's absolutely not true that just supporting the free market makes you right-wing economically. Literally 90% of all parties around the world support the free market, you're literally labeling everything left of Marx as "right wing" which is laughable.

@ProsecutorZekrom

2 күн бұрын

@@TheGerkumanYou can be centre-left and support a mixed economy that leans towards socialist policies. We are a mixed economy since we still have the NHS as a nationalised industry, but we used to lean more towards socialism before Thatcherism ruined it.

@turquoise7817

Күн бұрын

@@alm9322 you can either support the free-market are you can be pro-regulating it before you get as far left as marx

Reform gets votes, mostly because right-wing voters feel abandoned. The only dfference between Tories and Labour currently is that one wants lower taxes and the other wants higher taxes. On social issues they are exactly the same.

@gabrielcoventry4586

Күн бұрын

Neither want to raise taxes though, there’s literally no difference between Tories and Labour which is why the left also feel completely abandoned. No social progress, more austerity, NHS collapse.

@Xo-3130

Күн бұрын

Yeah that's part of why Centre-right parties are suffering from Right-wing Alternatives. On paper it seems viable that the Centre-right parties won't suffer if they move more liberal on social issues in practice thats opening them up for destruction.

@aightm8

Күн бұрын

Which is strange because the tories actually gave them everything they wanted.

@Xo-3130

Күн бұрын

@@aightm8 no. No they didn't. Its under the Tories that Same Sex Marriage was legalized, something that literally all but two Centre-right parties besides them haven't done. The Tories have not promoted a lick of traditionalism, have gone on celebrating the diversity and inclusion within their own party let alone the government, and constantly censor their own members who say anything that is traditionally Conservative. The Tories haven't given them anything as there is a hell of a lot more then just low taxes which any Social Liberal party will do and which is the most comparable political ideology to the Tories governing.

@nathangamble125

Күн бұрын

I don't think your terminology is quite right. Right-wing vs left-wing is economic. Social issues are primarily conservative vs progressive. You can have left-wing conservatives and right-wing progressives. I am the latter. The former, at its greatest extreme, includes NazBols. The Conservative Party caters perfectly well to the right wing, but despite its name, is not actually that conservative (just like the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not democratic). Reform is not much further right, but is much more conservative, than the Conservative Party. In theory I should be close to the Conservative party's target demographic, except that they're too dishonest. I'm under no illusions that any significant number of politicians is ever entirely honest, but I can't stomach the false promises and brazen hypocrisy that the Tories have demonstrated over the past few years, like Boris' Brexit lies and partygate. Authoritarian vs liberal is also a separate spectrum, and globalist vs protectionist and populist vs technocrat arguably are as well. The meaning of left-wing and right-wing, which was originally defined by support for greater economic equality (left) or hierarchy/stratification (right), based on people who either opposed or supported the King of France, has been warped by association of particular policies with the USA's Democrat vs Republican dichotomy. As a result, a lot of the the time, what people consider to be left-wing or right-wing is completely tangential to the actual definition of left-wing and right-wing, to the extent that the terms become so nebulous as to be effectively meaningless. Roman Emperors created an extensive welfare state in which the working class received food and entertainment (bread and circuses) for free, yet no reasonable person would call the Roman Empire's political system of absolute monarchy, slavery, and hereditary senators "left-wing."

wtf is this channel its the BEST ONE I FOUND IN AGES I absolutely love everything about this. The politics, the tempo, the gesticulation, the style!!

@ibx2cat

2 күн бұрын

thank you, great to see a positive comment on a video about politics haha

@explorernate

2 күн бұрын

Welcome in! Almost all his videos on this channel are like this. I’ve been stuck here for years and I keep coming back

@ivy_47

Күн бұрын

i've been watching for a while and agree fully but the scream sound when the conservatives disappeared sent me rolling lol

Lib Dem’s are a lot further left this election than Labour. Historically, the Lib Dem’s are social democrats with a libertarian flavour, as opposed to labours social democrats /socialist with a more authoritarian flavour. Nick Clegg dragged them to the centre right position. Fortunately Davy seems to have move them more leftwards again.

@Cubus-zapasowy

2 күн бұрын

What center-right positions they had under Clegg? I don't know any

@bigships

2 күн бұрын

@@Cubus-zapasowy he’s confusing the coalition with actual Lib Dem policies

@artielikesthings

Күн бұрын

Came here to stay just that. Hearing the Lib Dems be described as centre right blew my mind!!

@nathangamble125

Күн бұрын

Libertarian vs Authoritarian =/= Right vs Left. The Liberal Democrats are still to the right of Labour. To be fair, Labour has shifted right since the last election, and the Lib Dems have shifted left, but they haven't moved past each other, at least not yet. Labour is still associated with Trade Unions and has narrowing the gap between the rich and poor as one of their major goals. The Lib Dems do have a lot of left-wing policies, but they mainly target the middle class and don't have a fundamental commitment to economic equality to the same extent as Labour.

@the_embarrassed_lemon5967

Күн бұрын

​@@nathangamble125 Labour is using their trade unions connections as a way to keep on their left wing vote. On policy issues the lib dems are more left than labour, that doesn't make them left wing, at best center left, their is no big left wing party in the Uk anymore.

Vote for count binface!

DOWN WITH THE TORIES!

@Mrwhoisdreks

2 күн бұрын

I still can’t believe you brits have a prime minister who asked if a homeless man had started a company. I just can’t believe how out of touch that man is. Hopefully whoever is going to be your next prime minister is going to be at least a little better because you probably won’t have a future if the next guy will be even half as bad as sunak(is that how it’s spelled?)

@onlineo2263

2 күн бұрын

@@Mrwhoisdreks Im not sure what this references but neither our current prime minister or the previous one were voted for. Mr Johnson won a massive majority. His party deemed him unfit to lead the country so replaced him with Mrs Truss & then replaced her with Mr Sunak. Personally, I cant say Tory without saying SCUM. Mr Johnson sounds like a revolting human, but is the sort of politician who gets votes because he leads. He does what he thinks is right (or whatever the hell he wants to do actually; which is why they got rid of him) rather than what he thinks will get him the most votes. Personally I liked his green policies which were far better than any other right wing green policies, and I liked his push for cycling, walking and low traffic neighbourhoods. I pretty much hated everything else about him... but then I have found absolutely nothing to like in any other Tory government ever (ok I lie, I massively benefit from the low tax on capital gains, which is great for me, but terrible for society, so I vote for an increase.)!

@Mrwhoisdreks

2 күн бұрын

@@onlineo2263 British politics are extremely confusing to me. so I’m sure I’m missing a lot of things but numbers don’t lie and the uk in general doesn’t seem to be doing great so I just mean that you could definitely use someone better than sunak. But I’m sure that he has done some good things it’s just that most things I hear about Britain are negative and that’s generally not a good sign. because in most western countries my included many things that the news say are mostly positive about other western states so hearing mostly negative things about the uk definitely isn’t great.(also the reference is real I’m pretty sure you can just look up sunak homeless guy clip and you’ll find it)also I still don’t really understand how can the ruling party just choose who rules in a democratic country it is really weird to me so when I said voted I just meant accept that someone you didn’t vote for just now rules. How the British democracy works is really just a mystery to me.but I should probably change the original comment to have not elected that would be more appropriate

@My_Old_YT_Account

Күн бұрын

​@@Mrwhoisdrekshonestly I don't even think Conservative voters believe he's done good things, it's why a huge chunk of voters swapped to reform

@Mrwhoisdreks

Күн бұрын

@@My_Old_YT_Account at least one thing is certain and that is he’s not going to be the next prime minister.but I’m not well informed enough in British politics to assume who’s going to be the next one but whoever they may be I’m sure they won’t be as bad as Sunak.

libdems are not centre right they're more left wing than labour currently, especially on social issues, they just get alot of their membership from more affluent southerners.

@gabrielcoventry4586

Күн бұрын

I think it’s less that the liberals have shifted left and more that Labour shifted right. Labour is now the party of neoliberalism whereas libdems are more classic liberalism. Kind of a shame because there’s no representation for the democratic socialist movement anymore, which is literally what Labour is meant to be.

@nathangamble125

Күн бұрын

Conservative vs Progressive =/= Right vs Left. The Liberal Democrats are still to the right of Labour. To be fair, Labour has shifted right since the last election, and the Lib Dems have shifted left, but they haven't moved past each other, at least not yet. Labour is still associated with Trade Unions and has narrowing the gap between the rich and poor as one of their major goals. The Lib Dems do have a lot of left-wing policies, but they mainly target the middle class and don't have a fundamental commitment to economic equality to the same extent as Labour.

"Progressive Conservative" gotta be the wildest turn of phrase i ever heard 😂

I would like to see the LibDems as the official opposition

God, I love a good map.

"Reform are doing well with young people, which is great" DUDE

@migglesism

2 күн бұрын

Join the revolt baby

@JOKERATM

2 күн бұрын

Based

@geochonker9052

2 күн бұрын

Wow what an argument

@migglesism

2 күн бұрын

@@geochonker9052 I’m not going to argue on a comment section, but here’s a quick line if ur looking for one. ‘If you have conservative views, but feel the Tories don’t deserve your vote, send it reform’s way & see what happens’

@danieldeburgh8437

2 күн бұрын

It is indeed not great

I can’t tell if you’re a person who is a conservative who fails at seeming like a centrist or a progressive who is trying to seem like a centrist but is over correcting big time. Like be honest with your views I’m leaning toward the former seeing that most of your comments are filled with Reform voters.

@ibx2cat

2 күн бұрын

Social media is overwhelmingly reform, despite them likely being 5th by seat count in the real election lol.

@THTB_lol

2 күн бұрын

I'm pretty sure it's the latter

@a70770

2 күн бұрын

​@@ibx2catSocial media is not overwhelmingly reform. The bots are, which in of themselves are probably russian

@barneythepurpledinosaur7002

2 күн бұрын

Even though reform has paid the 4th most on online advertisements they almost double labour and the tories on engagement. There was also a poll held on Twitter where 49% of responders said they’ll be voting reform So it’s not just ibx2cats comment section, it’s almost everybody’s comment section.

The Tories aren’t disappearing, they’re just doing a Doctor Who and regenerating into the Labour Party, again. Starmer has accepted in former Tory MPs already and excluded left wing Labour MPs. He isn’t presenting a plan that’s really any different from the Tories proposals from back in 2010. He’s certainly not planning on reversing any of the damage the Tories have done over the past 14 years. In fact he wants to open the NHS and other parts of the country like education up to more privatisation through PFIs which is actually worse than the kind of privatisation the Tories have been doing! And if “Labour” gets into power it’s going to be accompanied by Reform getting more popular as now the centre has shifted hugely to the right giving the actual right an excuse to be MORE right. This feels more and more like late twenties early thirties Germany!

@marsrockfromspace5750

2 күн бұрын

It’s wild how the lib dem are the most left from the top 4 Labour leap frogged over them.

@bingus288

2 күн бұрын

the red tory arc is beginning once more

@soopy6667

2 күн бұрын

Absolutely, I can see a similar situation of what just happened to Sunak happening to Starmer in a couple of years, labour loses support as they push on centre right policies rather than leftist

@gort2279

Күн бұрын

yes we know it’s perpetually 1930s Germany everywhere forever and Hitler is born again every week. God, get a new line.

@rishabhthakur7559

Күн бұрын

Labour will be a washing machine, I see them accepting current or former Tory ministers in the future. Heck even the former speaker switched parties already

‘Conservatives’ are dying because they stopped appealing to the right leaning vote, reform will replace them.

@mint8648

2 күн бұрын

conservatives and labour are the same

@FlopFan69

2 күн бұрын

@@mint8648exactly, and that’s why they’re dying. Their voter base are either boycotting the election or voting reform.

@marsrockfromspace5750

2 күн бұрын

@@FlopFan69I think they were saying Labour has went right. They’ve taken over the Tories spot on the spectrum. Newspapers have been saying that Labour has purged the left from their party. The conservatives on the other hand have been trying to appeal to their more radical supporters as to not lose them to reform and so their policies have shifted right over the last decade.

@col.hertford9855

2 күн бұрын

The right leaning vote are dying because they have little support under 50

@somthingbrutal

2 күн бұрын

you misspelled BNP

I had no idea about this account, I’ve followed your Minecraft channel for years though. I was absolutely shocked to find this channel, what a nice surprise!

Everyone is talking about the tories being made irrelevant but if we get a bit of luck the snp could be mostly pushed out too

Maybe they can become more like the Dutch government if shit really gets divided and this multi party thing manages to catch on

@aightm8

Күн бұрын

Multi party government won't exist for long periods of time, because the UK uses first past the post voting and not proportional representation

Its all joever now... sry wrong country.

@geochonker9052

2 күн бұрын

It's all rishiver now

Have you seen the Lib Dem manifesto? They feel more left wing than Labour right now

KZread has stopped putting your videos in my subscriptions feed wtf

Actually in Italy in the '90 the three major parties (Christian Democrat, Socialist, Communist) disappeared simultaneously. This paved the way for 20 years of Berlusconi till some new big parties emerged or grew in the mid-time

This is going to be such an incredible election

Reform are best described as Centre Reich.

@spaghettiisyummy.3623

2 күн бұрын

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@amadeosendiulo2137

2 күн бұрын

xD

@a70770

2 күн бұрын

No, they're quite clearly ultra far reich

@existnt

4 сағат бұрын

Really? they're probably the most moderate form of populism you could find in europe

It doesn’t have to be that labor voters became reform, it’s more likely than non-voters became reform, diluting down the labor vote

Just letting people know that my local reform candidate was replaced because he was declared a safe guarding issue by schools he had worked at. One Google search of his name was enough to bring up all the articles about this.

@a70770

2 күн бұрын

All because Nigel couldn't read the contract between him and the "vetting company"

@JasonAtlas

Күн бұрын

@@a70770 It's a failure on many levels and shows just how competent the charlatan is.

The party in canada only made a comeback, when they started housebuilding and enacted policies to make housing more affordable (helping people go into more debt, doesn't count)

Libdem is a centre left party not right

Zero seats means infinite possibilities

The tories=The rats 🐀

unfortunately i remember when people said the u.s. republicans were about to disappear after 2008 or before 2016

@ibx2cat

Күн бұрын

there's always going to be a right wing, for as long as people have political opinions that are right wing

@svalerie98

5 сағат бұрын

The reason I'm a republican is because liberals are extreme, crazy destructive. Wide open borders, housing illegal immigrants and giving them cards loaded with money favoring them over our own citizens and vets, unbearable inflation, they want to rewrite our amendments and determine what you can say and what you can't.

I’ll drink pen ink on camera if the Tories net gain seats this election. That’s how confident I am that it won’t happen. Dear British people, please for my health and safety, do not let this happen.

Interesting to see how things are shaping up in UK politics, thanks for this awesome video. Concerning the Federals elections in Canada, 1993: When Kim Campbell became PM, it was after Brian Mulroney stepped down. She wasn't voted in while she was party leader. People were fed up with the Conservatives, and when the election came around, not only did she not get elected in her own riding, only two MPs from the Conservatives which were elected were Elsie Wayne- who was so popular in her in her home riding she would have been elected no matter which party she ran for, and Jean Charest, who was seen as a "Golden Boy" potential leader of the party whose time had not yet come. The Conservatives went from holding 156 seats to those mere 2. Charest left federal politics, and went on to lead the provincial Liberal party in Quebec, and get elected as Premier of Quebec, however, he was never comfortable in provincial politics. Cheers!

This has happened in france fairly recently but in countries that have proportional representation it doesn’t have the same implications

"You have to appeal to everyone to win an election." That's conventional wisdom, but how many people can one realistically apeal to? My local Lib Dem strategy has always been, "Look, I know you don't care about my centrism, but you need to keep the Tories out," while wearing a shit-eating grin and the motto of, "Tactical Voting Vital," and that seems to have worked out well for them locally. In reality, the major parties appeal to no one and hoodwink everyone. So I don't see why actually _good_ policies can't win without the protean bullshit of turning to be a universal echo chamber telling literally every demographic exactly what they want to hear (and then never making good on anything that you say.)

If you look at what each party is actually running on in their manifesto, Labour are far more centrist in policy than the LibDems this cycle. The LibDems are a merger of the old Liberal Party and the Social Democrats who broke from Labour in the ealry 1980s. They were seen as radically centrist for a long time. Now, after Brexit, and especially after Starmer took over Labour, they are seen as a progressive alternative.

Its torver...

Polls don’t mean much in my experience. I’ll reserve any comments until Friday.

Unironically saying that conservative parties are more stable is crazy after 14 years of them running the country into the ground, chaotically taking the UK out of the EU, and changing leaders like their clothes. And that's just in the UK. The conservative party in the US is currently busy tearing down democracy. European right wing parties are doing largely the same.

@DaBIONICLEFan

2 күн бұрын

That's because they have forgotten what true conservative principles are. I am not convinced by Reform precisely because of all their talk of "radical change" and constitutional reform such as introducing proportional representation. It doesn't strike me as a particularly conservative party.

@FozzQuaker

2 күн бұрын

​@@DaBIONICLEFanDo we really believe if FPTP got Nigel Farage into any kind of position with real power he would then go on and advocate for electoral reform, would he be willing to change to a voting system that could see him nudged back out of power... I'm sure New Labour pre-1997 were banging on about Electoral Reform, they win in '97 by a landslide, and lo and behold, no electoral reform, we are still lumbered with FPTP... The closest we ever got to true electoral reform was when Nick Clegg willingly let the tories bend him over and screw him, when we got a referendum for the alternative vote... Farage is all talk, and I dont believe one word that comes out of his mouth

@legtendgav556

2 күн бұрын

​@@DaBIONICLEFan They are litterally called the Reform Party

@legtendgav556

2 күн бұрын

Yeah, imprisoning & criminally charging their political opponents plus trying to yank the guy people voted for out of an election? That's true demoracy!

@kristijangrgic9841

2 күн бұрын

Left and center are destroying US and Europe by flooding us with millions of immigrants. There wont be white majority countries in 100 years.

I do hope they are gone and never come back.

*Toycat what are your thoughts on Tory Starmer?* big fan btw

Ask France about it cause their 2 traditional major parties have pretty much disappeared in recent years

Tory relegation is the best part of Ted Lasso season 4

The modern Tory party was formed after merging with the National Liberal party in the 1960s, another faction of the old liberals that aligned with Tories for most of the 1930s to 1950s.

Reform's reverse takeover of the Tories would take a few election cycles, especially if the Tories get the 107 seats, the high end of your poll shows they can get. That's what happened in Canada.

Ok, you might want to pick.up a history book. The "Whigs" was the "nickname" for the Liberal Party as the "Tories" was (and is) the nickname for the Conservative party. The reason the Whigs, whi at the time represented the "left" of mainstream politics, fell to thrid place was because of the "Representation of the People Act (1918)", famous for giving women of "means" over 30 the votes, also gave working men the vote. This created a massive influx of men now eligible to vote who naturally aligned with the Union supported "Labour party" who took the role of official opposition at the next General election (1922). What's about to happen has not occured in British politics, as those eligible to vote are largely the same as they always have been, so if the Conservative Party, who can trace their origins back to Magna Carta, are beaten into third place, it would be a massive change in the political landscape.

Conservatives are definitely not “slightly ahead”. Lol.

Just here repping people who only watch your """second""" channel. Always first in my heart

I live in Exmouth and Exeter East, a new constituency with wildly varying polling estimates, and which the conservatives, labour, lib dems, and reform _all_ seem have a realistic chance of winning. Most polls say the conservatives are the biggest, but no-one knows for sure who the 2nd biggest is. It makes tactical voting to get the tories out more difficult, so they might still get the seat, but arguably, discouraging tactical voting is a good thing, especially when the tories will be a minority in parliament either way. It's better in the long run to have 2 or 3 viable alternatives to the conservatives rather than just 1 for when it actually matters. The winning candidate here will probably only have at most 30% of the votes. Yougov currently predicts the conservatives winning, but _both_ them and labour having 26%. Could we even break the record for the lowest winning share in history for a constituency at a general election (currently 24.5%, set by the SDLP at Belfast South in 2015)? I guess we'll see!

This is an extremely facile analysis of the election

Why do you eat kebabs sober, that is complete savagery

@ibx2cat

2 күн бұрын

What % ABV do you picture my unique beverages being?

@Archman155

2 күн бұрын

kebabs are nice

@a70770

2 күн бұрын

Kebabs were created by Muslims... So they were created to be enjoyed sober. I think toycat might be right on this one...

@sussusamogus9596

Күн бұрын

@@ibx2cat0%

One thing you have to realize, with the Reform/Canadian Alliance and the Progressive Conservative parties in Canada. They had to merge for one simple reason. In many close ridings, they were splitting the votes on the right side and allowing the liberals to waltz in through the middle. Many times, the votes cast for the 2 right wing parties were more than the liberals so if there would have only been one right wing candidate instead of 2, they would have won.

lib dems centre-right?? really???

Do you know the guy who says "i vote conservative because me dad did" I think he sounds cool i wanna meet him

Nothing dramatic happens when political preferences shift and a party is relegated to oblivion, the Whigs used to be the party of government, so did the Liberals. Once the Conservatives are a footnote in history nothing will be radically different.

Aw man, totally missed your chance to tell them to write in “Savannah”. 🎶🎶🎶🎶.

Keir Starmer = Jean Creitien Rishi Sunak = Kim Campbell John Swinney + Mary Lou McDonald + Ruhn ap lorwerth = Lucien Bouchard Ed Davey = Audrey McLaughlin Nigel Farage = Preston Manning

The comparisons to Canada are worrying given it's current state

It's important to mention that the Overton window has shifted. The whigs would be considered pretty centre-right nowadays. And today's left wing ideology would have been considered grounds for admittance to a psych ward.

The Tories were Torn.

I love politics talk in just like the youtuber voice

As an Indian and trying to track this. Tories are gonna be fine. Would have around a decade in the wilderness. Maybe won’t come to power in 34 but they will survive. 20% is a lot of votes.

little disappointed how surface level this is

I have heard People talking about the Raving Loony Party.Could they become the New Government.

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Tories are slightly right? reform is only just right of them? What?

@Lashb1ade

2 күн бұрын

Ikr? The idea that the Conservatives are anywhere close to the right after letting in over a million people in a single year is laughable.

@ProsecutorZekrom

2 күн бұрын

@@Lashb1adeWhy not? The whole reason there’s been such an increase is because asylum seekers haven’t been processed. And what’s more right wing than cutting funding for things?

@Lashb1ade

2 күн бұрын

@@ProsecutorZekrom There have not been one million asylum seekers in the last year, you're completely out of touch with reality. Edit: That's weird my previous comment disappeared.

@ProsecutorZekrom

2 күн бұрын

@@Lashb1ade Those are the illegal immigrants, no? So you don’t like legal migration either? Btw, yt does that all the time. I have to refresh the page in about 30 seconds to check if my comment got flagged or went through.

With the whole Northern Ireland parties. The DUP is the conservatives but is likely not to side with the tories because they where screwed over last time. The UUP is like the conserative lite party & also isn't likely to side with the tories for the same reasons. Sein Fein is basically the nationalist consertatives who don't really matter as they don't sit in west minster (which I why I think they are a wasted vote because you aren't helping a cause by giving more power to men like Boris by not voicing Northern Irish views). The SDLP is basically Labour & almost always forms a coalition with them but they have a nationalist coating. Alliance is basically Liberal Democrats & takes no stance on the whole fate of Norn Iron. We also have a green party but I think it is the green party same. Next we have the TUV who where doing something with the Reform UK but failed or something & hopefully don't get many seats (they are basically the worst of the DUP most sectarian & most unionist in the bad way) then we have the Aontú party basically the same as the TUV but for Sein Fein so they are the worst of the nationalists most sectarian & most in their old ways & hopefully don't win many if any seats. Next we have the Workers party which I think is running in parts of Belfast & would be centrist Labour equivalent but they didn't do well last year & I don't think they'll do the best this year either. Finally we'll have a fair few independent Unionists who basically act as well unionist voices who aren't in agreement with the other Unionist parties. We also have the PUP which doesn't run for parliament but I just wanted to mention their best leader (IMO) during the end of the troubles & early existence of the Assembly David Irvine had the nickname the man who ate a dictionary because in his words "why you small words when a big one says it all" (that is off slightly) one of the few unionist parties who recognise we are all Irish & that it deserves protecting & the have some connections to the Red hand commandos who are the only unionist para-military group with a Irish motto. ignoring their um terroristic acts they are pretty unique for that. Anyway that's basically all the major active parties.

*stares in jealousy as an American*

great video, i love your politics videos. on another note, i’m convinced you are in denial and do care about the second channel…

Historical landslide for Labour today ...

A Lib-Dem opposition is still rather unlikely, especially with the recent decline in Reform UK's poll numbers.

I mean, no need to got that far back for an exemple of a party that went from Gourvening to irrelevent in one single election period, just look at France's "Parti Socialiste" PS for short. they had the Majority almost everywhere+ President in charge in 2012-2015 and since 2017 they NEVER went above 10%. during any elections

Are you not a Minecraft youtuber

@a70770

2 күн бұрын

This guy is a mincraft philosopher, lol. He's probably more qualified to talk about this than any journalist out there

@samuelhulme8347

Күн бұрын

That’s his other channel

just vote monster loony party, the 99p coin is truly what the uk needs

Labour is also centre right

@ibx2cat

2 күн бұрын

Centre would be fair, centre right is a bit of a stretch though given their major policies - I'd hate to imagine what you imagine centre-left to be!

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated

2 күн бұрын

@@ibx2cat I dunno, their promise to be “tougher on benefits” than the Tories, their plan to privatise more of the NHS, the weird anti-immigrant stuff Starmer said about Bangladeshis that wasn’t actually based on real statistics, all their weirdness about trans people, their pretty weak position on climate, their horrible approach to Gaza… that definitely gives right wing vibes. To be clear I’m only talking about Starmer’s Labour. Left of the Tories a bit, sure, but not enough to be actual centre. Centre left to me is like… some of the Lib Dems, some of the SNP, maybe Sinn Féin. The Greens are probably left left, I like them. Then there’s a couple whacky examples, like… obviously the Communist Party and the Worker’s Party are economically very left, but then they’re socially very right, which is a weird and off-putting combination of flavours. Like gravy cola, or something. And there’s the most based politician of all, the one who transcends the left-right dimension (and all other dimensions), Count Binface, who realises how critical CEEFAX is to British excellence! And who is easier to contact and quicker to reply than my GP, which is kind of messed up. Seems a lovely bloke though. My own sociopolitical and ethical ideology is “Star Trek”. No joke. I truly believe that if humanity isn’t moving towards how our civilisation is depicted in the future in that show (in social and economical terms), then we’re moving in the wrong direction. Live long, and prosper 🖖

@SomeRandomGuy908

Күн бұрын

​​@@DissociatedWomenIncorporatedconservatives and reform think Labour are way too left wing. Green party think they're slightly too right wing and the liberal democrats majorly agree with Labour --- id argue labour are centre left, but very close to centre this election as the left or the right think they're going too far one way. However, their green policies are left wing, their NHS and housing policies are left wing which are the biggest issues we have at the moment. Their benefits policies are centrist (Tory's flagship policies is to destroy disabled benefits which labour have refuted, so I don't get your argument here), but I do agree their policy on immigration is centre right and economy very centrist. Tony Blair was also a centrist, and labour started to lose with Milliband and Corbyn so took the party out of touch and too left

I wouldn't say the Whigs were left wing in any real sense. They were progressive inasmuch as they were the party of the rising bourgeoisie, a class based on money, trade and business, rather than landed wealth like the old Tories. But they were hardly "left wing."

@BritishRepublicsn

2 күн бұрын

Literally toycat says this with the "political scale of the time" stuff

@user-fr5ff4hn2h

2 күн бұрын

They were left for their time. The overton window has shifted

It does need to be stated, if you’re going to use Canada as an example, you do need to bring up the 2011 election, the conservatives won Steven Harper a 3rd term by a landslide, and the liberals did so unbelievably horrible, they ended up placing third behind the ndp (far left) party, most people who usually vote for the liberals voted for the ndp in that election. Since the ndp got 100+ seats in that election… a very respectable opposition position, most people thought that the liberals were dead and the ndp would take over as the left wing party. Littereally the next election Justin Trudeau wins and the liberals are back in charge. All it takes is one charismatic leader.

@My_Old_YT_Account

Күн бұрын

The NPD under Layton wasn't far left yet

@benjaminmajeski140

Күн бұрын

@@My_Old_YT_Account I’m more saying with how the npd is compared to the rest of the Canadian parties, it is the most left wing out of all of them (yes even the greens)

@My_Old_YT_Account

Күн бұрын

@@benjaminmajeski140 it is now, it wasn't in 2011

that's not what two party system means... you are pointing to a graph with multiple parties... you are talking about canada which has multiple parties... only the US has an actual 2 party system

@Autumnalwitch623

2 күн бұрын

Technically speaking the U.K. is classified as a two party system, in spite of the fact that there are smaller parties - this is primarily because of voting patterns. Since around the 1950’s for certain, but even before then, there have only really been 2 parties in government - either the conservatives or labour. There’s only been one instance of a coalition. But the argument you made about only the US having a 2 party system isn’t even accurate either. There are other parties in the US, as you have the libertarian, green and constitution parties, it’s just that they’re nowhere near as likely to win.

@meurtri9312

2 күн бұрын

@@Autumnalwitch623 "Technically speaking" proceeds to describe things that can't happen with only two parties. points to actual two party system : "they actually aren't really two party"

@cosminivan9927

2 күн бұрын

It is a mild two-party system, a system in which most of the time one party can govern on its own, without coalitions. Sure, other parties may win seats, but you will not see them be 1st, not even 2nd most of the time. This is in stark contrast from how other multi-party systems work. Take a look at Germany or the Netherlands. In Germany rn they have a three-way coalition beween the social democrats, greens and the liberals. In the Netherlands there is no threshold so if you win enough votes for one seat, it is yours, this makes the parliament very fractured, so much so that the 1st party only got 37 seats, a far cry from the 75 needed for a majority, so the far-right had to form a coalition with the liberal-conservatives, the christian democrats and the farmers party to have a proper 80 seats majority. Apart from the 2010 coalition between Cameron and Clegg, the last time the UK had a coalition government was during WW2 when Churchill was PM.

@ibx2cat

2 күн бұрын

The reform, green and libertarian parties always get a sizeable % of the vote in the US too, is that a 5 party system?

@meurtri9312

2 күн бұрын

@@ibx2cat maybe : have they gotten any seats in government since the creation of the country? were they ever part of a coalition? were there ever states lead by those parties? guess not then...

17:40 I DO NOT AGREE Do not vote if you do not care about politics. Do not vote if you don't know enough about your country. Do not vote if the only reason you have is to vote against someone. Do NOT vote if you don't have a good reason to do so. Encouraging people to vote, who otherwise do not care about anything is terrible for many reasons. These people are easily manipulated into something, because they do not know anything and they can simply by the look of someone face on a billboard. These people are the target of populists, who lie and say stuff only to appeal to low primal instinct of people. Do you really want such people to vote and choose who should run the country? I don't.

@ibx2cat

2 күн бұрын

I support people spoiling their ballots rather than staying home!

@anj000

2 күн бұрын

@@ibx2cat oh, right. Spoiling the ballot is a good way to "protest". But voting for someone, just for the sake of it, is the worst way to do a democracy :(

@Booksforthewin

2 күн бұрын

Because there’s nothing like, when in a democracy, not voting. Everyone should be required to vote, like in Switzerland.

@anj000

Күн бұрын

@@Booksforthewin only there is no compulsory voting in Switzerland (there is only one canton that does that)... But for example North Korea is forcing people to vote. What a great democracy they have!

Lmao

ENGLAND

@sizanogreen9900

2 күн бұрын

SCOTLAND

@AlanNoYT

2 күн бұрын

@@sizanogreen9900 WALES

@danielcarvalho1453

2 күн бұрын

@@AlanNoYTNORTHERN IRELAND

@liua42

2 күн бұрын

@@danielcarvalho1453 the… ISLE OF MAN ??

@stevewood8914

2 күн бұрын

By your powers combined, I am Captain UK!​@@danielcarvalho1453

❤😊❤😊❤😊❤😊

Great to see the UK’s government being in chaos during 4th of July weekend 😂 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

@GenTVR

2 күн бұрын

Yeah I’m sure you’ll be having a much better time……….? 😵‍💫

@muhammedjaseemshajeef6781

2 күн бұрын

😂

@k.umquat8604

2 күн бұрын

34 memories vs 34 felonies

@mint8648

2 күн бұрын

tories were in charge during july 4 1776

@commonomics

2 күн бұрын

@@GenTVRplease let us have this moment of distraction

Alot of people in The U.K. seem to have completely forgotten about how badly Labour screwed up our economy the last time that they were in power. Why have people still not realised that Labour and The 'Conservatives' are both untrustworthy? Plus have people not noticed how badly Labour's been running London under Sadiq Kh*nt? And also, alot of people seem to forget that when you vote in a general election, you're not voting for who you want to be Prime Minister; you're actually voting for who you want to be your local area's Member Of Parliament. And also also, I honestly don't think that these Internet opinion polls are very reliable.

@PedanticPig

2 күн бұрын

What Labour did to screw up the economy last time was just be unlucky enough to be in power during a global financial crisis. Sure, you could argue that failing to regulate the financial markets enough made us more vulnerable than we might have been, but it's not like the Tories would have done any better (let alone former-banker Farage). Then the Tories got in of the back of that and we got Cameron and Osborne strangling the economy with austerity, killing hundreds of thousands of us, and leaving the rest of us way worse off than we were a couple of the decades ago, with our rivers and beaches covered in sewage and our public services falling apart - sometimes literally in the case of our school buildings.

@col.hertford9855

2 күн бұрын

You realise the note was a joke? The debt to GDP was high, but the interest payments were extremely low comparatively as we had a AAA credit rating. Borrowing money in economic terms is what you do in crisis then pay it off in good times (as Labour had been doing). What the Tories did is decide to pay the debt off when we had bad times. This then constrained the economy leading to smaller tax receipts. They couldn’t understand how we reduced overall debt, but dept to GDP kept rising and the economy shrunk faster than the debt. It’s worth mentioning that, just under Major, there were two financial crash’s directly caused by tory policy. His period in office was significantly more stable than Thatchers boom and bust economics caused by deregulation and selling off the family silver. Then there’s Cameron’s crashing the pound by a quarter with Brexit referendum which it never recovered from, and selling off off more of the government assets. A terrible hard Brexit deal which was detected from the actual campaign promises. Least said about Truss the better. Sunak has just sat on his hands and waited for interest rates to normalise. So with regards financial crashes, it just seems people don’t mind when conservatives do it. So anyway, read some books, watch some economics lectures, learn something.

@col.hertford9855

2 күн бұрын

@@PedanticPigoddly the same thing happened in the Great Depression. Labour got screwed by global events.

@a70770

2 күн бұрын

So there was this thing called the GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRISIS.... And labour seemed to be good on every metric every time they came into government. So... Goodbye propagandist

@Psyk60

Күн бұрын

The UK's GDP per capita increased significantly while Labour was in power. It went up pretty consistently until the global financial crisis. Since the Tories took power it has stagnated. Ok, maybe you could argue that's not their fault, and any party would have struggled to increase it after the economic crash of 2008. But if you believe that then you can't also blame Labour for the crash.

Two party systems are sht anyways.

it seems its not a great idea to try and replace the population of your country, with low wage, easily exploitable inmigrants from 3rd world countries. Id love to see a UK where british people try and regrow their balls and defend their people

@a70770

2 күн бұрын

It's also not a great idea to vote in a russia sympathiser who runs his party as a company and seemingly stole money from the European parliament when he was mep.

Bad election strategy by Nigel Farage because if he negotiated with the Tories to drop certain candidates to allow his party and the Tories to gain more seats than there could be a substantial opposition to the Labour party. Thankfully this is not the case.

What the gyatt is a Progressive Conservative party??

@danksheev66

2 күн бұрын

A contradiction and an example of the fallacy of centrism always means you get more votes. But seriously it basically either means you just cancel those two beliefs out and become an extra centrist centrist, or it refers to the 'left' of a Conservative Party like in the UK One-Nation Conservatives claim to be more pro-LGBT, government spending and welfare state even if Cameron was only really pro-gay marriage and none of the others. Historically you could see the Tory Party during the post-WW2 social democratic consensus as more 'progressive conservative' but that's only progressive on economics by expecting the welfare state and economic paternalism that Labour introduced (which is conservatives unironically doing the 'nanny state' they decry today because of the rise of neoliberalism). But of that period Labour's Harold Wilson was way more culturally progressive/socially liberal, while the the Tories before Thatcher would only mirror Labour's economics but would try to reverse Labour under Wilson decriminalising gay relationships. So basically 'progressive conservative' refers to a more moderate conservative on a particular important issue(s) based on context.

Howewah

Lost credibility the moment you tried to define where the parties were on the left-right spectrum and ignored the last 30 years of movement by almost ALL parties to the right.

@ibx2cat

Күн бұрын

most people argue it moved to the left lol, which is why you're seeing conservatives jump ship to reform and not the lib dems or the greens

It kinda feels like the opposite in the us,, Trump sweep unfortunately

First.

@99sparso

2 күн бұрын

to finish in bed?

@BradTheThird

2 күн бұрын

@@99sparso Easy to finish first when he's the only one competing.

I don't want a Labour government :(

@geochonker9052

2 күн бұрын

I think its a sacrifice you have to take. One term of labor leaders that are only slightly worse than conservative and in return you wipe out the conservative party completely and replace it with Reform, an party that actually cares about the UK.

@HeelHook96

2 күн бұрын

If it's any consolation, it's literally just going to be the conservative Government but with more lip service to social issues and slightly higher taxes. Nothing big for better or worse will really change

@spaghettiisyummy.3623

2 күн бұрын

Just Vote Lib Dem.

@spaghettiisyummy.3623

2 күн бұрын

​@@HeelHook96Also, better Public transport. I think.

@DaBIONICLEFan

2 күн бұрын

​@@HeelHook96I hope you're right, but I worry that Labour now are only putting on a front like New Labour did in '97. They presented themselves as moderate or centrist but made very insidious, backdoor changes to this country once I power which irrevocably changed it, particularly with regard to education and immigration. I'm personally unable to trust Labour's image change so quickly.