This video does not tell you what happens to abandoned golf courses

@frat9

3 жыл бұрын

@@tron23058 spot on. How can they do a video like this without talking about climate change...

@TehPhuzzy

3 жыл бұрын

They should be turned into disc golf course.

@RipperStudio

3 жыл бұрын

@@TehPhuzzy Yeah buddy!! 🤘🏼

@micah_lee

3 жыл бұрын

I agree lol

@edwardd.484

3 жыл бұрын

Turn them into community farms. Local food growth managed by the community.

2019: Golf is in a Crisis 2021: Golf "and I took that personally"

What a difference a few years makes. I have never seen my course this crowded....ever...

One year later, because of covid, golf is absolutely booming

@vforvendettaMA

3 жыл бұрын

One year after Covid is over, golf isn’t booming anymore.

@Nope-sq6dv

3 жыл бұрын

It is. I can hardly find a tee time here in NC.

@stevenc9207

3 жыл бұрын

You are correct, it's booming

@ridegriff50

3 жыл бұрын

I miss pre COVID golf🤨

@joshbenson8039

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah because all that golf course construction is just out of control these days

As someone who spent 6 years working in the turf industry... I can say the reason I left was because there wasn't enough prospects given the difficulty of the work. The only people who make a decent wage are the superintendents. Given the wage competition between the nationals vs the migrant workers... it leaves little for those wanting to be in the industry yet live in the US year round. Then there is the environmental impacts of golf courses... the fungicide toxicity and health impacts are serious. The runoff and over-spray can impact those living near the area (and whole river systems if incorrectly applied)... grass just ain't worth it. Then you have these folks trying to grow it in the desert... water is a limited commodity in those parts... the fungus and mold issue due to irrigation are a growing issue in what use to be a basically mold free zone.

@justbreakingballs

4 жыл бұрын

Literally a growing issue

At least the people who want to keep the courses seem to be willing to put their money where their collective mouth is.

@MegaMijit

4 жыл бұрын

closemindedness is nothing to brag about

@pilotjonas8

4 жыл бұрын

murdelabop I mean this is The way It works in Florida, many communities actually own The courses behind their houses

@PastafarianLemur

4 жыл бұрын

Oh they'll probably bribe, I mean "lobby", local governments to give them tax breaks and other gimmes to keep their dying businesses running.

@Vnprid3

4 жыл бұрын

Mega Mijit how are they being closed minded?

@AlexMercadoGo

4 жыл бұрын

They may be putting their money where their mouth is now, but they're also obligating the generations that come after them to do the same.

And now every golf course in the country is packed.

I'm mid 40's and not making 6 figures. Golf is hard to learn but easy to enjoy. Anyone can buy used clubs, join a membership group and play for pretty cheap. I used to laugh and think there was no physical demand to the game but boy was I wrong. Great way to unplug from life for 3-4 hours and enjoy the outdoors.

@ridegriff50

4 жыл бұрын

Excercise for a millennial is sitting playing computer games in moms basement 😐

@irbose9895

3 жыл бұрын

If you suck please play behind me or let me pass

@MrJohnnyb74

3 жыл бұрын

@@irbose9895 Good luck with that right now. People are just jumping right on the course who haven't played in years without bothering to practice. The range by my house is PACKED on the weekend too. I miss pre-Covid golf.

Covid and it's lockdowns have been the best thing for golf. Since it's a no contact outdoor sport, people took it up when gyms and other sports places closed and it boomed. Can barely find a tee time now where I am

@CCSkater100

3 ай бұрын

Well said, golf courses around me are super busy since Covid, it’s difficult to find tee times anywhere

Golf is down because: 1. People having kids later, young kids during prime playing years. 2. Expense 3. Rounds take too long. Courses should add more tee boxes.

@jtlegionnaire6310

4 жыл бұрын

Agree, I think executive length courses are going to be more popular, shorter and cheaper. Which are two big concerns for most people.

@jeffreyhuston2017

4 жыл бұрын

@@jtlegionnaire6310 honestly, more tees between 6000-5000 yards is what would help.

@RChyshkevych

4 жыл бұрын

What young people actually play golf for fun instead of an informal business meeting? Problem with golf is that it's seen as a rich people sport and nothing else

@bowlagrits

4 жыл бұрын

I love golf and I’m 30. Just can’t get out there to play with work and a daughter.

@stanleyyelnats1313

3 жыл бұрын

I'm 50 and just starting!!! I personally love it. Going today!!!! ⛳🏌️‍♂️

Interesting, little mention of the cost and ecological implication of these courses - especially, since it's located in such an arid zone.

@user-pe2yx9kt4e

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! My thoughts exactly! Not only things like water waste (and I’ve never really seen animals on courses), but pesticides too. I didn’t even know they used pesticides on golf courses until recently.

@ahastar1141

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-pe2yx9kt4e Depends on the location but many golf course actually thrive with wildlife.

@Cutterman62

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-pe2yx9kt4e Most, if not all courses out there use reclaimed water.

@XxJERICHOHOLICxX13

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-pe2yx9kt4e Getting rid of every golf course wouldn't even put a dent in the water issue in the southwest. The biggest user of water is agriculture, and it's not even close.

Tiger Woods was not big in the 80s and 90s. He won his first PGA Tour victory in 1996 and didn't go buck wild until 1999.

boy I wish I could use my town's taxes to pay for my hobbies!

@Dog.soldier1950

4 жыл бұрын

macrossactual cities invest in supporting all types of sports with facilities; baseball, soccer, football etc

@sidecar7714

4 жыл бұрын

What hobbies do you have?

@alfredoalcantar8691

4 жыл бұрын

That’s a private course

@heather9815

3 жыл бұрын

@@alfredoalcantar8691 lol yeah until it stopped turning a profit & had to be subsidized by local taxes... see timestamp 4:15

@brentkozel1992

3 жыл бұрын

Start golfing and you can!

I like the idea of turning them into parks. Much better use for the land.

@pathtobillions8070

4 жыл бұрын

@Scott E I generally agree with the sentiment, but there are three issues with that. One if you watch the flyovers of some of these golf courses you'll see a large amount of the land is long narrow strips of land between houses which would make it difficult to build homes on due to zoning and the stiff opposition from current home owners . Also, with zoning you won't be able to build anything but single family homes within that land since everything else around it is single family. Third, if there is any attempt to build on that land the current home owners would most likely try to sell their properties and with a big sell off property values would retract which would cause the municipality to lose tax revenue. With a park the property values will most likely rise which would benefit them more than adding new homes.

@pathtobillions8070

4 жыл бұрын

@Scott E I'm seeing those same zoning changes around me too. However most of those zoning changes are in specific places like in small down towns or on large individual plots of land. Usually don't see them mixed in with the suburbs around me. I guess the local town would have to determine which would bring more tax revenue. Even having tree lined streets have been shown to increase property values.

@pilotjonas8

4 жыл бұрын

Path to Billions How is It a better use of the land?

@scottcharney1091

3 жыл бұрын

Affordable housing!

@ciello___8307

3 жыл бұрын

@@pilotjonas8 so everyone can enjoy greenspace. In cities, there can be a lack of park space

The problems that people with money have.

@iheartlreoy8134

4 жыл бұрын

Jimmy John Arizona is not that expensive stop crying

@geezee769

4 жыл бұрын

Golfing is quite accessible actually

@shawnguinup6971

4 жыл бұрын

People that work their whole lives so they can have a good retirement home are getting screwed on their prices they paid for their home next to a golf course. But I still like the idea of 18 holes and a park I'm a golfer make sense

@tristanskipworth4377

3 жыл бұрын

A municipal golf course costs as little as $11 for 9 holes if you can’t pay that you have other problems.

Golf courses in the middle of arid climate are a blight for the environment. Glad they're being abandoned!

@pilotjonas8

4 жыл бұрын

MrTimy06 not really! There is a forrest created in The middle of the desert in Israel and It helps The environment dramatically

@bigredc222

4 жыл бұрын

I believe most of Arizona's water comes from lake mead, and it's lower than it's ever been without much hope of it ever filling up again.

@sidecar7714

4 жыл бұрын

@@pilotjonas8 not analogous

@bigredc222

4 жыл бұрын

@vachief I've heard good things about charter schools.

@bigredc222

4 жыл бұрын

@vachief They are privately run, but they are still paid for by taxes, as of now the kids have to qualify, they are just using them to separate the kids that really want to learn from the rest.

Golf is a luxury. Maintaining an 18 hole course is an immense undertaking that never ends. No way should taxes finance this luxury, especially in a desert with imported water.

Golf courses in urban areas are such a massive waste of space.

@iheartlreoy8134

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas Nimmo it’s green space it’s good for air

@MsEverAfterings

4 жыл бұрын

@@iheartlreoy8134 But it's just grass.

@iheartlreoy8134

4 жыл бұрын

Jackie grass isn’t a plant

@yanzx01

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas Nimmo not gonna lie I don’t think is something they lack in that particular part of America.

@goosty17

4 жыл бұрын

@@iheartlreoy8134 Green space? In Arizona? You don't see the issue here? The water usage in a desert just to keep a healthy grass in a DESERT?

Cities & states should buy the courses up for cheap and turn them into parks. It'd be far better for real estate.

@lawrencehamm1478

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. An old private golf course that closed in my city became prime real estate.

@alex6439

4 жыл бұрын

Ian Henderson just imagine what kind of beautiful park you can make with that vista and that space. Add a bunch of courts and rent those out and it’ll definitely be much more profitable.

@scottcharney1091

3 жыл бұрын

Affordable housing!

Absolutely, right, in a desert you want to keep pumping water and chemicals so that grass stays green! Don't worry about the chemicals, they'll show up in the groundwater. Makes total sense.

This is about the most first world problem I've ever heard of.

Listen I love golf and it has seen a resurgence due to recent events but is anyone really surprised golf courses constructed in a literal desert are having trouble staying financial solvent? Golf is an incredible sport but we've got to recognize maintaining that much grass puts strain on the water supply and is a relative waste of habitable land

Golf: a sport dying along with it's core demographic

@forefatherofmankind3305

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

@larrytits

4 жыл бұрын

Roman Chyshkevych: a brain dying along with it's core intelligence

@RChyshkevych

4 жыл бұрын

@@larrytits they don't even know how to use a computer

@felixahelixa3233

3 жыл бұрын

Hope it gets eradicated.

@joshbenson8039

3 жыл бұрын

@@RChyshkevych to be fair... they have email addresses. Granted they all still end in “@aol.com”, but they have had contact with the tubes before

Wall Street Journal Should Update this story.

I like playing golf on nintendo switch ⛳️🏌🏻‍♂️

Good. Now replace the trees they ripped down

Meanwhile, the golf course in my city is always full of young kids and teenagers golfing.

@buffaloben15golf88

3 жыл бұрын

That’s wonderful to hear! What city?

@felixahelixa3233

3 жыл бұрын

Yikes..

Just let them go to waste. Man, it’s one on Dunham Rd, Garfield Hts Ohio that was my favorite. Crazy.

my daughter and son in law lived on an abandoned course. it was horribly mis managed and was not located in an area that would financially support the course. the course was a selling point for the surrounding neighborhood. they built and sold as many lots/ houses as they could which is only about 25% of the available lots. after about 10 years the course tanked and now the selling point of the neighborhood is defaulted. good luck trying to sell.

Turn it into to agricultural land and tree reserves.

@smithgraincattlesgc4940

4 жыл бұрын

Joshua Adi they make nice pasture farms I know of two little that

@user-pe2yx9kt4e

3 жыл бұрын

Apparently a lot are being redeveloped into housing complexes or storage lots :( it’s just sick

@user-pe2yx9kt4e

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree though

ah yes, oro valley, arizona. in the middle of the desert. sure makes me want to waste massive amounts of water resources on golf courses.

My main issue is that they use an obscene amount of water, I don't whether it's clean water or waste water they use.

A Jack Nicklaus designed course in Clifton, TN closed down over 10 years ago. Beautiful landscaping with a local airport adjacent to it.

They make nice pasture farms with paved paths for feeding hay in winter

@MatthewStinar

3 жыл бұрын

My grandpa called golf "cow pasture pool."

Turn it into a godamn public park. Irrigation already built into the systems, bathrooms likely in place. It’s literally a seamless transition

It's sad alot of people won't give golf a try. It's truly the most fun and challenging sports I've picked up. Nothing quite feels like hitting a 300+ yard drive I would maybe compare it to hitting a home run on a major league field. PURE JOY

@sundog7094

4 жыл бұрын

Keun Pruitt I agree. It’s the best game period.

@x_x_6__

4 жыл бұрын

@@sundog7094 best game? Seriously? Best at wasting space for sure.

@sundog7094

4 жыл бұрын

x_x muck off you knob

@scottcharney1091

3 жыл бұрын

BOrrrrriiinnnnnngggg

@Nope-sq6dv

3 жыл бұрын

And nothing more infuriating than duffing your next approach shot!!!

If you have nothing to do, you can go play golf.

@dlvivlviv

4 жыл бұрын

@vachief I know it, but I have to study, work, help my family. Golf is created for people who are not tied with everyday lufe routine.

@dlvivlviv

4 жыл бұрын

@vachief I am glad to hear that. I am not from the US, in my country it is considered a kind of sport for rich...

People pay money to play golf. People do not pay money to go to parks. You still have to mow the grass and care for it. At least some of that money is recouped by golf. Zero of that money is recouped by a park. A park will, in fact, lose more money for the town.

Maybe golf is dying in certain parts of America but not Columbus Ohio. 4 years ago you could get on just about anywhere and play. Now every non-private course is packed almost every day of the week

@Nope-sq6dv

3 жыл бұрын

Same in NC.

All the golf courses are becoming large subdivisions and shopping complexes in my area!

@user-pe2yx9kt4e

3 жыл бұрын

Ew that sucks

The issue is not the courses themselves.. its the massively inflated cost of memberships at courses in recent years.

Golf courses and cemetaries are the biggest wastes of prime real estate.

imagine what stresses you out is the uncertainty of you own backyard golf course...

Well, that being said, right now the golf business is booming, COVID keeping people at home plus a good economy, more and more people joining private clubs, dues are increasing.

We had a small course walking distance from our home. It is now redeveloped into high density ugly condos. The course owners made a good profit, I hope.

@user-pe2yx9kt4e

3 жыл бұрын

Yuck :( they could at least use the land for farming or something

Turn them into giant mini golf courses. Duh.

@diarmuid858

3 жыл бұрын

Not 100 percent sure but I think giant mini golf is called golf🤪🤣🤣

In 2021 Rancho Vistoso Golf Course, at the north end of Oro Valley was purchased by a conservation fund as a permanent open space.

The maintenance on a golf course is insane. The costs are crazy. I worked on a beautiful dual course here in Kissimmee fla. I did mowing, bunkers weedwacking etc. we had 20 workers on each course. We made $10 hour. Each course used 500 gallons of gasoline per week, at (2012 prices, $3.20 a gal) if a $40,000 fairway mower didn’t break a part, say a clutch for $1200 that week.parts for all the mowers, real expensive, sand trap machines, rough mowers, greens mowers, weed eaters all the seeds, chemicals turf stuff, shovels etc. all machines need small engine mechanics who don’t work for $10 an hour. Each course needs flags, cups, ball washers , soap drinking water, and a dozen other things. Then there are the golf carts, whether electric or four strokes need massive maintenance constantly. I could go on and on. People complain about $12 greens fees. It’s getting impossible to turn a profit. The expenses are just too much today...the hoa and taxes pay for a lot of the expenses and a lot of people are not happy about it. A nice course here in south Florida just closed, lekerika, been there since 1923. Developers are knocking on the door to build more dollar generals. Sad

@user-pe2yx9kt4e

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for taking the time to share all of this info :)

@user-pe2yx9kt4e

3 жыл бұрын

Ugh, Dollar Generals? That’s disgusting, especially for a course that old. They should just let the land be. Doesn’t even need to be a park (an official one at least) as far as I’m concerned, with fees and unnecessary infrastructure, but I guess they would want to suck money out of it however they could. Also, Dollar General sucks. False advertising in my opinion. Dollar Trees > Dollar Generals Wish they could just let the land be or use it for agriculture (community garden/pasture?) or something. Wonder if they’d hike taxes to do that...

they wind up as PG&E storage yards... a total blight on the local neighborhood....

they shouldve closed down half in favor of building a park. much more versatile better use of the land. stubborn fogies

@1N73RC3P7OR

4 жыл бұрын

Thank God plebeian opinions don't matter, otherwise, the whole country would have been turned into a big commie block.

@MegaMijit

4 жыл бұрын

@@1N73RC3P7OR thank science, christians opinions dont matter cuz theyre idiots

There's alot of homeless in Cali. Maybe you could do something about that...

@alecnolastname4362

4 жыл бұрын

Nah the Homeless can still be profited off of so capitalists have no reason to actually help them.

@mscislawin

4 жыл бұрын

What did you do about it?

@alecnolastname4362

4 жыл бұрын

@@mscislawin I give the homeless in my area giftcards to restaurants. This however will often make them upset because they ask for cash... for you know...

@mscislawin

4 жыл бұрын

@@alecnolastname4362 it was a question to @Chichan

@ridegriff50

4 жыл бұрын

Caddies.

I was so confused about this video until I realized it was made before Covid. Golf is nuts right now.

Man that’s a lot of water being used. Lol

This doesn't answer what happens to courses that have actually been abandoned.

Mike sounds like he does a good Gerald Ford impression

Most golf courses can survive lean times if they conserve water and simply downgrade to a Single line irrigation system, water the tee boxes only, eliminate fairway irrigation on par 3's, and start the fairway irrigation on par 4's and par 5's one hundred yards from the tee boxes. Kinda the Anti-Augusta National.

Abandoned golf courses 2020: HOLD MY ...

It's a global problem. Letham Grange in Scotland ( 3 miles from my house) closed for good last week after being run by members for the past year but they just couldn't sustain it anymore

NEVER,EVER buy a lot or property along side a golf course. I learned that lesson the hard way.

@ahastar1141

2 жыл бұрын

Broken windows?

The worst course is in Wayne New Jersey the packanack course which is 9 holes and a dump.

@michaellyons3643

3 жыл бұрын

Sure why not have the tax payers for the golf course hahaha what a joke.

"Disc" golf is growing very fast. Turn it into a disc golf club and make it cheap to play there. Let the members take care of the property if they love being members so much

Oh, there is no golf issue....there are tons of courses where I live in Chester county PA and I'll tell you, tee times are ALMOST ALWAYS booked up

Park with community garden!

The best thing that’s ever happened to that sport is Top Golf

good thing golf is super popular again

Disc golf is way better than regular golf. George Carlin did a skit on golf courses. But I think leaving them as green spaces is the best solution when they do close down.

So what happens to abandoned golf courses?

Cause no one wants to waste money like boomers did

@TheDjci

4 жыл бұрын

imawesome 1260 and nothing’s more annoying than playing in front of a group of boomers.

@bigredc222

4 жыл бұрын

What a ridiculous statement, think that through.

@bigredc222

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mistro07 He was talking about boomers wasting money playing golf, the way I look at it, most of those guys worked hard, and saved and invested their money so when they retired they could play golf or whatever else they want to do with the money they saved over their lifetime. I don't know what the hell's going on with the government, conservatives used to be against spending, now both sides want to spend like there's no tomorrow, the last tax cuts that helped billionaires make more billions were criminal.

@ridegriff50

4 жыл бұрын

Didn’t waste it. They enjoyed it. Can’t take it with you.😐

@Sam89365

4 жыл бұрын

Lot of truth in that statement. I have to have conversations with my parents more and more frequently on whether or not that they really need to buy that new thing or not. My friends are seeing similar trends too. The materialistic mindset is rooted deep in that generation. (For context - I'm 26, parents are 61)

Are u gonna do life with Apple Watch series 5?

We won’t mind some of these golf courses coming to Canada

I wonder how much water they use to keep those fairways green?

What I have seen in our area is lack of knowledge on how to run there courses that is why the go out of business

most 2nd /3rd tier courses run at at a loss. If they cant sell some land for subdivisions , sooner or later interest rates determine the not so good outcome.

They turn into Disc Golf Courses 🥏🏌🏼‍♂️💚

So abandoned golf courses are un abandoned? What kinds title is this?

Why does it matter to home owners if the golf courses close?

@Soonerfrk11

4 жыл бұрын

Monroe Morgan probably because their property value will go down as a result.

@Dontworryaboutanything

4 жыл бұрын

Burt Reynolds no probably to it

Plant Trees!

@scottcharney1091

3 жыл бұрын

Affordable housing!

@Zerpersande

3 жыл бұрын

Free golf

The first issue is Private members. Make it available to the Public at reasonable prices and then you will get more. I live in Perth Western Australia, and every Private Course has public days and the prices are reasonable enough to afford for most people. And the public course near me has 27 holes, charges $35 for 18 and is full all the time. Very hard to get on and very profitable. Also 7 Golf Courses in a place with 44,000 people is way too many. 3 would be enough if they are 27 and 36 holes. They need to start thinking outside of the box. As said, the course near me, also has mini golf, and that is always busy with families, plus a very nice Bar and Restaurant. All making money. Now 4 other course here have done the same and are reaping the benefits. Also, have decent driving ranges that can cater for a large group of people, practice greens for putting and chipping. That will always attract people, who then have a drink afterwards, and that is more money going in.

Sounds like the right choice... homeowners want to live on a golf course or community and players want to play... so pay your fair share to keep it. Don't ask the entire county at large to help pay for your luxury lifestyle choice.

@ahastar1141

2 жыл бұрын

Home owners and members agreed to pay more too so sounds like its a win

Another issue that affects the industry... owners and companies that own courses who should not. I worked for a company that owned or leased the management rights to eight course. They ran all of them into the ground, used revenue from some of the courses to keep a premier course with wealthy members green. That company went bankrupt, with a reputation that was the laughing stock of the other courses in the area.

The golf course behind my house closed last year. The owner stopped watering and cutting the grass. Now it is covered with weeds and is an eyesore. A few volunteers have cut the weeds, but not the entire course. Trees have been planted, but homeowners want the weeds cut on a regular basis. They have petitioned the county to make it a law.

@davidbach7003

3 жыл бұрын

@peter barlow That would be trespass on private property

This video is incorrectly titled.

Ive started playing golf as a social distancing activity. Ive found its actually a lof of fun and Ive come to understand many new players have taken up the game in 2020.

Where did this video address the question of "what happens to abandoned golf courses"?

2020 and 2021 we are doing really good FYI...LOL

I am 13 and play golf A lot

Glad to know i'm not the only millennial who's bad at golf!

I have a small vacation property in a golf resort in europe.. People still play golf here

@burprobrox9134

4 жыл бұрын

People still play golf here, they built too many courses. That’s the point of the video.

A golf course is a treasure? Lol no its a polluted piece of land

1:46 "why would you abandon this?" There are several reasons. Golf is one of the most wasteful sports concerning the consumption of resources, it also is one of the most engineered sports known to man which makes it difficult to convert the land for alternate uses and it takes much longer for Nature to reclaim it. It's not worth putting money into something that is NOT a sustainable sport. It costs a tremendous amount of cash in upkeep and maintenance alone. Golf also takes a lot of out of a person. Playing Golf is a desert is exhausting.

You haven’t really told us what happens to abandoned golf courses though. It also doesn’t reflect what’s happening in my city of Overland Park, KS. The muny down the street is packed almost every day of the week. People, young and old, are out on the golf course daily. This video should just highlight the supply and demand. Yes, it will ebb and flow.

Answer: Do both. Redevelop the not green areas into suburbs The green areas will be an amenity for normal people

@ahastar1141

2 жыл бұрын

Adding more houses is probably something the people living around the golf course wouldnt vote for

Why do municipal's need to "make" money ? When a town town puts in a park or a ball field do they need turn a profit???

44,000 people, 7 courses. Need we say more?

Fast forward to 2021 and the Conquistador is heavily in the black!

I don't like golf, but the courses are good for fires and floods. They serve an important part of infrastructure in many places.

No we don't have any water in Arizona.

1.2M what a deal!

@sauceboy_5930

4 жыл бұрын

Average golf course is 150 acres. So $8k per acre in a residential neighborhood is not a bad deal.

@arjungandhi1242

4 жыл бұрын

Where I live that barely gets you a nice house.

Golf schmolf- What About the Water use? In the desert I mean, I don't care about that in places that aren't in a 1200 year drought.

Things have changed in the world of golf in just a very short pandemic period. Golf is now booming and stronger than it has been in many years. Shortage of courses for the future?