What happens after medical school - UK medical training explained

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In this video, I explain the basics of the UK medical training pathways beyond medical school, and give a quick update as to where I currently fit into the picture.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:22 - The basics
00:46 - Overview of the Foundation Programme
01:13 - 'The Choice" - Core Medical vs Core Surgical Training
01:29 - Speciality Training
02:31 - Run-through specialities / GP
04:24 - The foundation programme in more detail - how you get allocated to regions
05:38 - The foundation programme - job ranking
06:40 - Update from my end - where I fit into the programme currently
07:25 - The Academic Foundation Programme (AFP)
08:47 - Brief introduction to the Academic Clinical Fellowship (ACF)
09:40 - Summary of UK medical training pathways
10:15 - Closing comments
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BMA - Applying to the Foundation Programme - www.bma.org.uk/advice/career/...
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  • @lostbear1600
    @lostbear16004 жыл бұрын

    i just noticed how my listening skills aint actually as bad as i thought since i could easily keep up with his speed lol

  • @beautyclinic6307

    @beautyclinic6307

    4 жыл бұрын

    same here

  • @shahzaibzaman807

    @shahzaibzaman807

    4 жыл бұрын

    0.75x amd you're good to go!

  • @zxbear.a218

    @zxbear.a218

    3 жыл бұрын

    i didn't know what you meant and then he started talking....

  • @gurleenbansal2294

    @gurleenbansal2294

    3 жыл бұрын

    Here's me listening at 2x speed lol...

  • @ShirleyBekker
    @ShirleyBekker5 жыл бұрын

    This was extremely helpful! Thanks on behalf of 58K of us!

  • @yayw00pamy
    @yayw00pamy5 жыл бұрын

    Dude you sound like you're on 1.5x speed

  • @ringorrong

    @ringorrong

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@aliabdaal i tried to watch on 2x speed as i was short on time...big mistake

  • @amansinghbhadauria2818

    @amansinghbhadauria2818

    5 жыл бұрын

    I checked thrice if I haven't done it by mistake.

  • @kaypandey7221

    @kaypandey7221

    5 жыл бұрын

    I actually checked my speed thinking it was on 1.5X

  • @mehrunisa4106

    @mehrunisa4106

    4 жыл бұрын

    It’s appreciated, after watching all my lectures on x1.75, normal ppl speaking seems so slowww

  • @ImtithalSaeed

    @ImtithalSaeed

    4 жыл бұрын

    @thakkumikku may be

  • @neeltullu1290
    @neeltullu12906 жыл бұрын

    Hey Ali, thank you for such an elaborate yet contained explanation of the medical training in the UK. Having UK as one of my choices for medical training as a foreign medical graduate it really is nice to have this info panned out so I know what I'm getting myself into after the entrance exams. Good luck on your journey !

  • @UnrealSYE
    @UnrealSYE6 жыл бұрын

    Liking the new illustration tool!

  • @mrdjlee90

    @mrdjlee90

    6 жыл бұрын

    can I ask what is the name of illustration tool?

  • @Drzeezy
    @Drzeezy5 жыл бұрын

    Ali thanks for the video .Foreign medical graduate here I recently completed the PLAB exams and will be moving to the UK soon. Its good to see how the other side looks like ! love the content

  • @daftpunk5656

    @daftpunk5656

    5 жыл бұрын

    Bro do foreign graduates need to do 2 year foundation course?

  • @kirstensee6459
    @kirstensee64594 жыл бұрын

    I like this speed tbh it’s very concise and time efficient

  • @robbiedart7422
    @robbiedart74224 жыл бұрын

    Mate this was even incredibly useful as someone who's heading into FiY1 shortly, weird that I've never had specialty and core training explained to me during 6 years at uni lol, hope you got what you wanted in the end!

  • @qasim8381

    @qasim8381

    11 ай бұрын

    3 years later and he's fully stopped working in medicine. Crazy to think. By the way which uni/course were you on for 6 years?

  • @HassanPoyo
    @HassanPoyo6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for breaking down the routes in a simple way

  • @thoseUNheardRsweeter
    @thoseUNheardRsweeter6 жыл бұрын

    This was brilliant, wonderfully straight forward, strengthened by examples, nicely illustrated. If only this had come along six months ago when I was trying to figure all of this out by myself, as a complete stranger to UK medical training, you would have saved me a whole day of frustration and bafflement. Really looking forward to the "what happens" video. And kudos for getting East Anglia!

  • @thoseUNheardRsweeter

    @thoseUNheardRsweeter

    6 жыл бұрын

    Nowhere yet. I'm applying in June/July, but as a foreigner I needed to figure out how things work early on so that I would have the time to gather all the extra documents non-UK medical students need to be eligible for the foundation programme (English language tests, official translations, etc).

  • @mrbritishguyesq2846
    @mrbritishguyesq28463 жыл бұрын

    Holy shit....I wondered why I recognised you......you did a placement in my ward. Older age psychiatry. That’s all I’ll say. I’m planning on joining my medicine degree next year. The fact you made this video inspires me so much. Thank you!

  • @mayrakalra3270
    @mayrakalra32703 жыл бұрын

    Very helpful, thankyou. Keep posting such videos it is a great asset for students like us!

  • @parker2969
    @parker29692 жыл бұрын

    some of the worst doctors I've ever had in my life were the highest graduation standards from medical school. I have definitely learned over the years that the scores of a doctor definitely do not reflect on their ability to practice medicine

  • @s_b2515
    @s_b25155 жыл бұрын

    Your videos are really good and informative. The way you explain things etc. But If i have to choose one thing that would be you putting in timestamps in the description. Absolutely love those! 😅 Keep making awesome videos😁

  • @ramakumarm7769
    @ramakumarm77693 жыл бұрын

    Wow ! Haven't seen anything clearer than this. Thank you very much !

  • @andy2020ize
    @andy2020ize3 жыл бұрын

    One of the most helpful videos on KZread!!

  • @humairabinte5619
    @humairabinte56194 жыл бұрын

    That's what I had been searching for ages..No one have ever made such useful video.👍

  • @elijah2859
    @elijah28593 жыл бұрын

    THIS IS SO USEFUL! RLLY NEEDED THIS!

  • @user-pq7nx6uq5r
    @user-pq7nx6uq5r6 жыл бұрын

    This was so helpful and interesting! Congrats on getting into your first choice deanery. :) I found the stuff about the academic foundation programme particularly interesting - I assumed going down that route meant you were pretty much committing to a life of academia and excluding yourself from clinical practice but I'm glad to know I was wrong! Good luck with all the ranking!

  • @headphonesyt2300
    @headphonesyt23003 жыл бұрын

    This was so hlepful, can’t believe I’m lucky enough to have had entered into medicine with such amazing people making my life easier

  • @AbiJSC
    @AbiJSC2 жыл бұрын

    ive lived in cambridge since i was 4, currently 18 and im moving for uni... been in and out of hospital for my whole life and ive relied so much on doctors to help me get better. Going up t aberdeen medical school, so excited!

  • @rubym3808
    @rubym38086 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for all your videos! They helped me immensely when preparing for my medical school interviews! Great work!

  • @chrismush3378
    @chrismush33785 жыл бұрын

    Appreciate the the video boss! absolutely insightful and helpful!!

  • @isaacchua0405
    @isaacchua04053 жыл бұрын

    Finally! Been looking for a video like this, you are a saviour

  • @MariaLuisa-vv4ug
    @MariaLuisa-vv4ug2 жыл бұрын

    I'm researching how medical training in the UK works for something I am writing and this helped immensely, thank you!

  • @tejaswinisingh6645
    @tejaswinisingh66455 жыл бұрын

    Crisp and clear presentation. The purpose is served. I absolutely understood how medicine in UK works. My sincere gratitude for all the effort you've put in, in making this video. 💙

  • @zv54
    @zv545 жыл бұрын

    The age limits are so upsetting and intimidating to a mature student!

  • @carebear8655

    @carebear8655

    5 жыл бұрын

    Z V They’re just extreme generalisations. Most people will be older and many students joining medicine will, for sure, be graduate medicine students.

  • @RK-ep8qy

    @RK-ep8qy

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@carebear8655 they're not extreme generalisations, I don't know what medical school you're at but most year 1 medical students in my year are indeed 18/19 yo. A few are older but the majority are late teens since we apply while in school, so it's accurate to say 24. Obviously unis that have a purely graduate medical course will have signicantly older students but either way no one really cares if you're 35 on the course because some people in my year are

  • @da14a49

    @da14a49

    3 жыл бұрын

    Enjoy the journey rather than hope for happiness at the end

  • @fareehaxoxo8568

    @fareehaxoxo8568

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's okay every age is new start💜

  • @naaengmann2117
    @naaengmann21174 жыл бұрын

    thank you sooo much Ali... I'm extremely grateful

  • @LCFCKris
    @LCFCKris6 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant video. Very clear and informative.

  • @saintetienne755
    @saintetienne7556 жыл бұрын

    I'm exhausted just listening :-(

  • @SBS2103
    @SBS21036 жыл бұрын

    Reeeally helpful video, thanks so much!

  • @troycooley123
    @troycooley1235 жыл бұрын

    Very clearly explained and presented, cheers mate

  • @scaphk9546
    @scaphk95466 жыл бұрын

    This was really helpful to know where my sister is. She completed fy1 and fy2, then did a bit of CT but now she's taking a small "pause" and now is mid way through her cardiology PhD after much deliberation. She's planning on going back to clinical work after her PhD.

  • @drmila
    @drmila6 жыл бұрын

    Hey Ali! Just found your channel and I love it 😊 I'm a medstudent from Austria who also makes youtube videos so it's really nice to know that there's other meds out there who share the love for this website :) x

  • @drmila

    @drmila

    6 жыл бұрын

    ohh thank you so much!! 😄 almost all of my videos are subtitled in english so that you can watch them without missing out on anything ;) x

  • @Imranq-cf3ie
    @Imranq-cf3ie5 жыл бұрын

    Mate, this video is amazing 🙌🏼

  • @akumar7366
    @akumar73665 жыл бұрын

    Enjoyed listening, interesting and informative.

  • @superchris1511
    @superchris15116 жыл бұрын

    Hey Ali, I'd really appreciate a video on how you study. Perfect video by the way

  • @superchris1511

    @superchris1511

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ali Abdaal Hey Ali one more thing! I noticed you didn't mention how much you're payed during these periods and someone asked in the comments so to save you some time I thought I'd share this with you. You might want to put it in the description: careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/What_will_junior_doctors_earn_under_their_new_contract%3F

  • @Dr.Nellah

    @Dr.Nellah

    5 жыл бұрын

    I've recently watched his revision tips' video which is quite good. I have made a similar video on my channel which you may find helpful if you need more tips :)

  • @andy2020ize
    @andy2020ize3 жыл бұрын

    Ali, Any chance you could give a bit of a breakdown on expected salaries between those years? i.e FY1 upto st8 (consultant). Thanks

  • @FALslayer
    @FALslayer6 жыл бұрын

    Interesting video! My cousin and uncle are GPs in Scotland and they're hella loaded. Looks like you'll be going the same path for sure.

  • @goincrazy11
    @goincrazy116 жыл бұрын

    Your videos are done so well, really like the easy to follow diagrams 👍🏽 won’t be at your stage for another 4 years, wonder if this process after med school will change much by then 🤔

  • @thatunknowngirl8358
    @thatunknowngirl83586 жыл бұрын

    Amazinggg video. All these options for specialities get me so excited. I am so nervous and excited to apply this year 😭😂

  • @gilinachshen8094
    @gilinachshen80943 жыл бұрын

    Really good video! Could you make one about the pathway for emergency medicine?

  • @pjosiahjoseph6730
    @pjosiahjoseph67305 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Could make a video in the future on how the FPAS score is determined. Thanks

  • @aymarasuarez-sotomayor7878
    @aymarasuarez-sotomayor78786 жыл бұрын

    Your videos motivate me so much

  • @margotrobinson9037
    @margotrobinson90373 жыл бұрын

    great explanations thank you so much!

  • @MrDesertRocker
    @MrDesertRocker4 жыл бұрын

    Imagine going through 5 years of medical school, only to find out you can't work where you want. Must be pretty lonely having to move to the middle of nowhere to start a new job, not knowing anyone

  • @toothless-grizzly7907

    @toothless-grizzly7907

    3 жыл бұрын

    @MrDigBick 69 yeah

  • @toothless-grizzly7907

    @toothless-grizzly7907

    3 жыл бұрын

    @MrDigBick 69 I think it’s because most unis got an entire building specifically for medicine , generally near a hospital, making it a school of medicine~ medschool

  • @cathy4113

    @cathy4113

    3 жыл бұрын

    Many people have to relocate for jobs anyways…whether it’s medicine or not

  • @prosurgeon6957

    @prosurgeon6957

    3 жыл бұрын

    not a biggie

  • @tulikanahar4399
    @tulikanahar43994 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! Very helpful!!

  • @adelekank
    @adelekank6 жыл бұрын

    Loved the video bro

  • @shaz3r786
    @shaz3r7865 жыл бұрын

    You should do a video on how to pick foundation schools with regards to which will have the best training

  • @iqraali9864
    @iqraali98645 жыл бұрын

    just the video i was looking for.

  • @bali479
    @bali4795 жыл бұрын

    What are the options for international medical graduates who have completed 1 year internship training in their home country and have passed the plab test?

  • @imydoesmed
    @imydoesmed6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your videos, they were a great help when preparing for interviews! I’ve received 4 offers to study medicine this year and I really appreciate it when students like you spend their time sharing their knowledge and advice :)

  • @imydoesmed

    @imydoesmed

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ali Abdaal St John’s college, Cambridge :)

  • @boopeshkumarprabhakaran
    @boopeshkumarprabhakaran3 жыл бұрын

    Really useful bruh.. It would be great if you explain us.. on how foreign medical graduates can get into UK.. Thanks you.. Luv from India ❤️

  • @mazinbashar4140
    @mazinbashar41405 жыл бұрын

    Could you please make a similar video on the pathway for students who have done MD in Europe?

  • @keshavbansal7395
    @keshavbansal73953 жыл бұрын

    great content. helped a lot. thanks:)

  • @icantbelieveitsnotbutter4714
    @icantbelieveitsnotbutter47146 жыл бұрын

    Great video, loved the illustrations - is there a specific iPad pro app that you used?

  • @ReethuVincy22444422
    @ReethuVincy224444224 жыл бұрын

    Could you also explain in a similar fashion how it would be like fr an international student who has completed MBBS. Aiming for PG in the UK

  • @Incandescence555
    @Incandescence5554 жыл бұрын

    Hi Ali- you've helped me so much as a geriatric graduate pre-med! Thank you. What specialties are you leaning towards? Do good grades at med school guarantee you your choice of F1/2 placements?

  • @viersternemotel
    @viersternemotel5 жыл бұрын

    Ali, Psychiatry is not run through training. It is CT1-3 and you have to reapply for SpR posts for ST4-ST6

  • @selinsahin6377
    @selinsahin63776 жыл бұрын

    it is really explanatory, thanks :) medical training lasts forever !!

  • @chlobo1010
    @chlobo10106 жыл бұрын

    Seems to be quite a similar system as it is here in NZ. Here you do a 6 year medical degree (1st year is a general health science year which at the end of you apply for medicine. If your grades and UMAT score are good enough you do the other 5 years of the degree). Then you work for 2 years in a hospital as a House Officer, before getting on a speciality training programme and working as a registrar. If you want to be a GP i believe you do 3 years as a House Officer before going on to work as a GP.

  • @harrisoncarter3298
    @harrisoncarter32986 жыл бұрын

    Really good helpful vid 👍

  • @theduke6174
    @theduke61746 жыл бұрын

    Ali thank you I’ve always known the exact route through the specialities but I was never aware of the regional rankings are FT scores required to apply as a Junior Doctor. North West London is where I want to reside in as an FY1, now knowing it’s the most competitive regions Pushes me even more to work hard.

  • @laithinator3000

    @laithinator3000

    Жыл бұрын

    Did you make it?

  • @ashjjx287
    @ashjjx2875 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for this video 😊 .. learned a lot .. had no idea about foundation programme application score . Can you please make a video about FPAS?

  • @MrGangaboba
    @MrGangaboba5 жыл бұрын

    Please do a video how accommodation works for F1’s in a complete new area far from home. Are they all renting privately or is there some kind of assistance from the hospitals?

  • @aslihassan1053
    @aslihassan10533 жыл бұрын

    this was really helpful

  • @rakshaaiyappan8193
    @rakshaaiyappan81934 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the video! It is so absolutely clear! I am actually applying to med schools now, and I was wondering how does which med school you go to affect your FPAS score (lol I'm not sure if I spelled it right). I've heard that being in the top half of a less known school is better than being in the bottom half of a super prestigious one... Could you please explain this? Thanks a ton!

  • @syedah9145
    @syedah91456 жыл бұрын

    I am 34 year old mother of 2, Immigrant from Pakistan. I learned the system ( NHS) the hardest way including visa extension, social & financial issues etc. I have now just join the GP training, another 3 years to go. When you join your FY1& FY2 it’s good to slightly explain, or go through portfolio ( also CBD and MiniCex), or Reflective writing & appraisal etc. It will be nice guidance to the the new comers, although now Naseer khan and omar alam blogs has helped a lot especially International Medical graduates. But your vlog is quick and to the point. Keep it up and stay blessed. MashaAllah. Just an advice. Thanks

  • @DaisyZhangAI

    @DaisyZhangAI

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hey you are almost done! How is it going?

  • @imtiazabdurrahman683

    @imtiazabdurrahman683

    2 жыл бұрын

    How is it going?

  • @rejenraju4778
    @rejenraju47786 жыл бұрын

    hey can u please do a video MRCP exam and who need to do this and why is this important

  • @asiya5699
    @asiya56996 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant informative video....

  • @crazybutulikeit9351
    @crazybutulikeit93516 жыл бұрын

    Ali ! fantastic as usual 😍can you talk about IMGs and how we can join foundation years ? thanks a million.

  • @Simpleconfounder
    @Simpleconfounder3 жыл бұрын

    World class stuff 💪💣🔥👊

  • @michelleokueguale3164
    @michelleokueguale31644 жыл бұрын

    What you said about the f1 and f2 and within those years can you choose the speciality to shadow during those 4 month placements or is it random

  • @Oggy9156
    @Oggy91562 жыл бұрын

    It was a great video, thanks

  • @devvratparekh7618
    @devvratparekh76185 жыл бұрын

    Can you please tell about overall cost of being a doctor in the UK? Plus what about the stipend in foundation, core training and specialty training?

  • @sidramir3211
    @sidramir32115 жыл бұрын

    Hi Ali, could you also talk about the Stand Alone programmes? And if there are any FY1 & FY2 equivalents in these Stand Alone programmes?

  • @oresheck8874
    @oresheck88745 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for amazing video! Would you mind telling me, is foundation programs free of charge? Would I receive salary during 2 years of Foundation?

  • @beyzee8516
    @beyzee85165 жыл бұрын

    It really depends on the country. Yes the path is too long, but in my country you can already practice as a general doctor after medical school (which lasts 4-5 years in my country) and board exam of course. You might earn that fully-pledged licensed doctor at the late 30's or early 40's, but you can start earning as early as mid 20's after passing the board exam. Some people just think that you don't make money unless you complete everything in your 30's, and it's completely wrong. In fact my brother who's now a general doctor shared that when he was still in med school, a surgeon told them to go directly into residency instead of practicing general doctor because you would be tempted with the amount of money you're earning (that's why some general practitioner doesn't want to go into residency anymore).

  • @ssajid40
    @ssajid406 жыл бұрын

    May Allah swt make your journey successful. Ameen

  • @firefox91firefox
    @firefox91firefox5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Ali for such a thought provoking video. I hope you could find some free time to make a video about WAST scheme.

  • @pardisbarouni
    @pardisbarouni6 жыл бұрын

    so helpful!

  • @mrmac2u968
    @mrmac2u9684 жыл бұрын

    Please can you do a video explaining, in depth , how uk university works?

  • @redrose5724
    @redrose57244 жыл бұрын

    Hi Ali, Do you think you could do a video about different academic routes? Thank youuu

  • @alex23rochi
    @alex23rochi6 жыл бұрын

    Wonderful video, very explicative, may I ask you whether people from abroad follow the same process? Thanks a lot!

  • @jamiefeather7924
    @jamiefeather79244 жыл бұрын

    It was actually helpful

  • @jomanamadieh872
    @jomanamadieh8725 жыл бұрын

    Is it hard for international medical graduates who are UK citizens do get into the foundation programme ?

  • @shreya4657
    @shreya46574 жыл бұрын

    What can you be allocated during the foundation years. Like is there anywhere I can find a list of all the things I would need to rank?

  • @User-rh2mw
    @User-rh2mw6 жыл бұрын

    Thankyou so much!

  • @itcouldhavebeenme
    @itcouldhavebeenme4 жыл бұрын

    1. I would like to specialize in either clinical microbiology/immunnology or pharmacology. How do I understand "competition ratios"? 2. is the whole medical specialty program pre-set? Or is it done in chunks, f.ex. after ST1 applying for an ST2 etc.? Thank you for the good video!

  • @StudySmartz
    @StudySmartz4 жыл бұрын

    hi, what are the scope after completing of 2 years foundation program, if some one dont want to go for gp or speciality, can he be still practice as a doctor, what his position , a junior doctor?

  • @jamiefeather7924
    @jamiefeather79244 жыл бұрын

    Hey Ali can you make a learning vid for kids I’m going to year tommorow

  • @mysticminecraftman668
    @mysticminecraftman6686 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Loved it! Please can you do a video on Alfie Dingley? Thanks!

  • @mysticminecraftman668

    @mysticminecraftman668

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ali Abdaal ok cool 👍

  • @izluc9378
    @izluc93786 жыл бұрын

    What happens if you want to do obstetrics surgery?? Is that still a run-through specialty or surgical?

  • @lilianazelaya4569
    @lilianazelaya45695 жыл бұрын

    Very helpful. By any chance do you know how do international graduated doctors apply for medical residency? Thank you!

  • @meenamahar8072
    @meenamahar80724 жыл бұрын

    hello dr Abdaal! i want to ask that a uk national who gets his medical degree outside the UK and completes FY1 as well, can he get a training post in FY2 after getting registered with GMC after moving back to his homeland that is UK?

  • @gloriaiturraldevalencia9725
    @gloriaiturraldevalencia97256 жыл бұрын

    Thank u very much for the video ali! Really helpful :) Could you make another video talking about the income and how all of that works after you're graduated? That would be awsome! Like and sub, keep doing this :)

  • @umarchowdhury7752
    @umarchowdhury77525 жыл бұрын

    Would speed at which you speak affect interview outcome?

  • @jcr1723
    @jcr17233 жыл бұрын

    Hey Ali, what if me and my gf apply for the fp, but we are given different regions in the uk ? I mean, is there any way we can still manage to work in the same region? We are from Argentina, we will apply for the PLAB tests first, and then for the foundation program. So we are still looking for valuable information such as you gave us in your video. Really hope to hear from you or anyone who might know how the application works as for which hospital and region to work in 🙏🏻

  • @laluna5548
    @laluna5548 Жыл бұрын

    How is the F pass score calculated for foreign students (after we have passed PLAB1 and PLAB2)? Additionally- after having completed foundation year 1 and 2, can my "degree" get recognized in Ireland, as I would love to work in Dublin?

  • @pringleprice5084
    @pringleprice50844 жыл бұрын

    Does core medical training still exists? I think it's internal medicine training now (3 years)