What Happened to the Old (Medieval) English Flag?

While ultimately less well know than the "Union Flag", more commonly referred to as simple the British Flag, St George's red cross on a white field is the national flag of England and the English. But for much of the Middle Ages, it wasn't the only one used by the kingdom of England, and St George had to contend with the like of St Edmund and St Edward for prime position as "the" flag of England.
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  • @historywithhilbert146
    @historywithhilbert1464 жыл бұрын

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  • @elizabethmerin7489

    @elizabethmerin7489

    4 жыл бұрын

    wanna be friends?

  • @elwolf8536

    @elwolf8536

    4 жыл бұрын

    I heard an other story that the cross of st George was loaned for a fee to the English from Genoa as a guarantee not to get attacked by genoan pirats.

  • @Obnoxiousteadrinker

    @Obnoxiousteadrinker

    4 жыл бұрын

    I think we should change it to white dragon tbh

  • @frederickpurscel3614

    @frederickpurscel3614

    4 жыл бұрын

    The Bavarians and Dutch have lions

  • @GarfieldRex

    @GarfieldRex

    4 жыл бұрын

    Time for Russian flags and heraldry 👌

  • @samiulhussain3045
    @samiulhussain30454 жыл бұрын

    Simple answer: it's too hard to draw

  • @joshuacarre06

    @joshuacarre06

    4 жыл бұрын

    Laughs in welsh

  • @CKyIe

    @CKyIe

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@joshuacarre06 Cries in Liberian

  • @thebrutusmars

    @thebrutusmars

    4 жыл бұрын

    Joshuacarre youtube How do they laugh in Wales? “Zxbbbbzxbbbbzxbbbb?”

  • @joshuacarre06

    @joshuacarre06

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@thebrutusmars hahaha

  • @AlefeLucas

    @AlefeLucas

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yea this video could have ended in a minute

  • @Bamiyanbigasf
    @Bamiyanbigasf4 жыл бұрын

    For those asking about lions in Europe, lions actually did live in Europe for quite some time and ofc they were extinct in medieval times but the Romans imported lions constantly throughout the empire so lots of people did in fact know about lions and what they looked like

  • @yetigriff

    @yetigriff

    4 жыл бұрын

    Lions lived in Yorkshire until 1832 when they were hunted to extinction by whippets

  • @JamesTheFoxeArt

    @JamesTheFoxeArt

    4 жыл бұрын

    yetigriff and then put into a zoo.

  • @keighlancoe5933

    @keighlancoe5933

    4 жыл бұрын

    @igeto12 Europe had native cave lions until the middle ages, and North African lions could survive in European habitats. However most of our predatory beasts were mostly exterminated, with the exception of wolves, bears and lynxes of which there are still many in Europe

  • @keighlancoe5933

    @keighlancoe5933

    4 жыл бұрын

    @igeto12 you're probably right, I doubt there were any roaming about in those places in the wild either. I wouldn't be surprised if they were living in the wild in the Balkans and tbe Med though

  • @Jeffron71

    @Jeffron71

    4 жыл бұрын

    Medieval rulers kept exotic animals including lions in their menageries and often gave them as gifts. See www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-29817517.

  • @shoutinghorse
    @shoutinghorse4 жыл бұрын

    The old England flag would never have been popular as there's no room to put which football team you support during the world cup.

  • @atleastimnotgae2124

    @atleastimnotgae2124

    4 жыл бұрын

    shoutinghorse dont you mean soccer

  • @shoutinghorse

    @shoutinghorse

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@atleastimnotgae2124 No I mean football. You know, that game played with your feet. (rolls eyes)

  • @bigchonkerraccoon5046

    @bigchonkerraccoon5046

    4 жыл бұрын

    At least I’m not Gae in Europe and the rest of the world it’s called football. That’s why our sport is called American football. It’s just another weird thing we do.

  • @shoutinghorse

    @shoutinghorse

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@bigchonkerraccoon5046 It's not that weird really, American football was derived from rugby which is called 'Rugby Football' to difference itself from 'Association Football' (asSOCiation = soccer) and so all three games have their roots in the FOOTBALL games played at English public schools like Eton. Harrow.and Rugby.

  • @keighlancoe5933

    @keighlancoe5933

    4 жыл бұрын

    The 'real' England flag was a golden dragon on a crimson field ;)

  • @maxis2k
    @maxis2k4 жыл бұрын

    "Damn French." "But aren't we Normans?" "...shut thee up."

  • @mr.w.146

    @mr.w.146

    4 жыл бұрын

    Barry O was the Illinois Enema Bandit and Michael was his right-hand hand-job man. Look that up in your Funk and Wagnall's.

  • @JM-fo1te

    @JM-fo1te

    4 жыл бұрын

    Even Normans aren't French

  • @galinor7

    @galinor7

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@JM-fo1te Born in the area which is now modern day France, Speak French Latin, Consider Normandy in France the homeland. Nope not French at all.

  • @corneliusngagwayang9428

    @corneliusngagwayang9428

    4 жыл бұрын

    theirs no such ting as french or english etnisity anyon can be french or enflish

  • @ronniewatson5879

    @ronniewatson5879

    4 жыл бұрын

    Luis M ya they are Scandinavian

  • @thegrandpotato6014
    @thegrandpotato6014 Жыл бұрын

    Fun fact: St Edmund was the original patron saint of England before being replaced by St George.

  • @simonruszczak5563

    @simonruszczak5563

    4 ай бұрын

    Nice. George, means "one how works the earth" in Hebrew, so it makes sense why they would swap them, England being mostly arable land.

  • @kevwhufc8640

    @kevwhufc8640

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@simonruszczak5563 I don't think king Richard 1st adopted st George because of the meaning of the name, He was praying at his tomb the night before a battle against a larger army, after he won he adopted st George as England's patron saint. Before that st Edmund was patron saint ( as @thegrandpotato rightly says) ..although Richard 1st , the lion heart, is famous king he ruled for 10 years but only spent 6 months of his reign in England.. ..

  • @simonruszczak5563

    @simonruszczak5563

    2 ай бұрын

    @@kevwhufc8640 St George never existed, it's a fictional person..

  • @kevwhufc8640

    @kevwhufc8640

    2 ай бұрын

    @@simonruszczak5563 st George was supposed to be a Roman soldier, lol . It seems a lot of saints were originally Roman soldiers that met a Christian and were converted. Britain's oldest martyr/ saint, Alban, my city is named after him StAlbans, was also a Roman soldier who sheltered a Christian and was converted to christianity. We have a huge cathedral named after him that has a shrine that held his bones. Apparently the Vikings stole them , I don't know why anyone would bother stealing a few old bones . Obviously there's no evidence he really existed. But the church earned a lot of money from pilgrims visiting the shrine.. I guess most churches invented saints for the same reason, Pilgrims = money ..lol

  • @simonruszczak5563

    @simonruszczak5563

    2 ай бұрын

    @@kevwhufc8640 There was no Roman Empire, it was invented by the Holy Roman Empire to give themselves a background history. The main religions of the world, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism were invented only 800 years ago from so called pagan religions. Information from Dr Anatoly Fomenko, books "History: Fiction or Science?". www.youtube.com/@sbelobaba/videos The word Martyr derives from Mars worship, Mar + Tyr ---> Martyr (Tyr, the Norse god of war) The word Saint came from the old French word Seint/Seinte, which meant a pagan demigod or hero. Ancient history is fake BS.

  • @RamanShrikant
    @RamanShrikant4 жыл бұрын

    you forgot that the english also needed admin tech 10 aswell as some cores on some scottish provinces

  • @17kpk

    @17kpk

    4 жыл бұрын

    That or use the subjugation CB to get them as a vassal, then get admin tech 10.

  • @elgirl19

    @elgirl19

    4 жыл бұрын

    Nah man you gotta conquer England and Scotland as the Isle of Man to form GB

  • @raptorbullets

    @raptorbullets

    4 жыл бұрын

    Levy them troops boi

  • @nathangriffiths2851

    @nathangriffiths2851

    4 жыл бұрын

    Acctually based

  • @nathangriffiths2851

    @nathangriffiths2851

    4 жыл бұрын

    Acctually based

  • @iafozzac
    @iafozzac4 жыл бұрын

    The St. George's flag was actually a lease from Genoa, because back then Genoa was a local great naval power and the English thought that having their flag woul offer some protection against pirates. The crown kept paying yearly tributes to Genoa for centuries to continue using their flag. How the hell did you miss all that?

  • @gioojisba2758

    @gioojisba2758

    3 жыл бұрын

    Also technically the price is not paid yet

  • @tonydelucchi9115

    @tonydelucchi9115

    3 жыл бұрын

    I was thinking the same thing but for some reason this fellow just left it out.... So be it though

  • @jacobvardy

    @jacobvardy

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@tonydelucchi9115 The English tend to be quite, selective, about their history. They don't often mention killing a few million civilians around the Indian Ocean during WW2. Or, you know, all the genocide that came with the Empire. Just to mention a couple of things they tend to gloss over.

  • @mateovandersmissen4753

    @mateovandersmissen4753

    3 жыл бұрын

    jacobvardy you know this guy isn’t English right?

  • @keighlancoe5933

    @keighlancoe5933

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jacobvardy The Japanese invading Burma caused the Bengal famine, it's not as if they just turned up and started killing them all and burned all of their grain. And no, we aren't selective about our history, we just don't care because we understand that just about everyone everywhere has a problematic history. When the rest of the world has a long deep think on their past and a period of introspection maybe we'll do the same. Until then, we don't give a damn to be honest. Crying about things people did hundreds of years ago is plain and simply pathetic. This whole trying to collectively shame us and only us is essentially racism, I don't see anyone doing it to the Turks or the Mongolians, and the Mongolians killed 11% of the entire worlds population during their empire and the Ottomans took millions of slaves and built their empire on the skulls of dead Europeans. So, no, we won't be cowed into feeling shame and we won't throw down our culture and our heritage to please racists who hate us.

  • @keithorbell8946
    @keithorbell89464 жыл бұрын

    When James acceded to the throne of England in 1603 there was a Union of the Crowns of England and Scotland, not Nations. That unification did not happen until 1707, and that is when the Union flag became official.

  • @aaronman2000

    @aaronman2000

    4 жыл бұрын

    I was looking to see if anyone else had picked this up!

  • @kennykerr3930

    @kennykerr3930

    4 жыл бұрын

    Not quite. When James became king in 1603, he wanted enemies at sea to know that they were attacking a ship of a king of TWO countries, so he commissioned a new flag to be flown from the jackstaff. There were a number of designs but the one familiar to us today was preferred. So the Union flag precedes the Union of the Parliaments by about a hundred years. The diagonal stripes didn’t arrive until 1801 though, after Union with Ireland.

  • @oml81mm

    @oml81mm

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@kennykerr3930 Almost... The flag that you refer to was not the Union Flag, but was a flag used to distinguish a 'king's ship' at sea. It was authorised ONLY for martitme use and was current from 1606 to 1707 when, upon the union of the parliaments, it was then adopted as the Union Flag.

  • @SuperCrazyfin
    @SuperCrazyfin4 жыл бұрын

    0:59 "Henry the F-Second"

  • @frederickthegreatpodcast382
    @frederickthegreatpodcast3824 жыл бұрын

    My heart dropped when Wilhelmus didn’t play.

  • @wazzalord3

    @wazzalord3

    4 жыл бұрын

    isle of walcheren in zeeland D:

  • @ecurewitz

    @ecurewitz

    4 жыл бұрын

    same here

  • @erikbertram6019

    @erikbertram6019

    4 жыл бұрын

    I watched the Walcheren segment twice because I just couldnt beleive it

  • @Lusitani74

    @Lusitani74

    4 жыл бұрын

    Same....he had the chance with the walcheren bit... :(

  • @realhawaii5o

    @realhawaii5o

    4 жыл бұрын

    Same.

  • @christophernewman5027
    @christophernewman50274 жыл бұрын

    Cracking vid. Cheers, m'dear.

  • @historywithhilbert146

    @historywithhilbert146

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Christpher, glad you enjoyed it!

  • @kyedamant1323

    @kyedamant1323

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@historywithhilbert146 *Christopher

  • @jdd109

    @jdd109

    3 жыл бұрын

    Can't tell if American making fun of English or just Yorkshire

  • @michael3088
    @michael30884 жыл бұрын

    Love the George cross but the white dragon has a special place in my heart

  • @Rynewulf

    @Rynewulf

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@buzzbolt4387 have the flags of the saints like Edward, Edmund and Cuthbert combine like a voltron to make one super saint flag!

  • @Festucius

    @Festucius

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Anglia Alba Correct. Before the Normans England had no known heraldic reference to a lion.

  • @strongerasone2403

    @strongerasone2403

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Rynewulf that's an interesting idea! Better than what we have now.

  • @_MrMoney
    @_MrMoney4 жыл бұрын

    "This is the old english flag" EU4 players: [Leo Pointing at screen.jpg]

  • @wilsons2882

    @wilsons2882

    4 жыл бұрын

    we should start standardizing image names of many memes of any image format for a greater cause

  • @lawrencian

    @lawrencian

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Phil Cadey no St. George was Roman. Turkey used to be Christian. Remember Constantinople?

  • @phoebus45
    @phoebus454 жыл бұрын

    The "lions" on the House of Plantagenet are usually labeled as "leopards" in French early heraldry, although in Normandy they are referred as "lions".

  • @MrNicopa

    @MrNicopa

    4 жыл бұрын

    Lions “passant guardant" that is walking and looking at you like the English lions, are called "Léopards" in heraldry.

  • @erracht

    @erracht

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@MrNicopa Right. In English heraldry (the terminology of which is derived from old French), the lion in this position is described either as a "Lion passant guardant" or a "Leopard", and this should be more or less synonymous, though the former term seems to have more currency today. In French heraldry, the term used for a lion in this position is always "Léopard".

  • @stephenfowlie742

    @stephenfowlie742

    4 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZnepsZqGis_egJc.html

  • @edwardblair4096
    @edwardblair40964 жыл бұрын

    When talking about other countries that use the cross of St. George in their flag, how could you miss the flag of Georgia? It's patron saint is also St. George, but their flag has not one but five St. George crosses on it. One in the center, like the flag of England, and one in each of the white quadrants of the main cross.

  • @WaterShowsProd

    @WaterShowsProd

    4 жыл бұрын

    There’s a beuatiful statue of St. George killing a poor, wee dragon atop a column in a the hub of the economic and administrative section of Tbilisi too. A wonderful city.

  • @thesnoopmeistersnoops5167

    @thesnoopmeistersnoops5167

    4 жыл бұрын

    Stephen Thomas I can’t recommend Tbilisi enough to visit. The food, the wine, the history.

  • @KilapnF

    @KilapnF

    3 жыл бұрын

    And Barcelona

  • @SeanWinters

    @SeanWinters

    Жыл бұрын

    Because Russia lmao

  • @TheAnon03
    @TheAnon034 жыл бұрын

    That was never the English flag it's the royal coat of arms. And it's still in use, albeit further modified.

  • @rogink

    @rogink

    4 жыл бұрын

    Exactly - but his point is, it could have been the national flag.

  • @ememe1412

    @ememe1412

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@rogink it couldn't have been because it was a royal standard relating to a dynasty. The English Standard of the Kings of England has had a (Heraldic) Cross of St. George at the hoist since at least Edward III. George became the Patron saint of England after the Reformation and his symbolism became national. (As it is with Georgia hence the George's Cross on their flag and the Jerusalem Cross.) 'Milan's Cross' (and the other Italian states and City states he mentions other than Genoa), have flags descending from the heraldic Cross of St. Ambrose, Ambrose being the patron of Milan. Genoa as a state did fly the St. George's Cross. (Apparently, the Kings of England paid a tribute to the Doge annually for the privilege to fly the Cross initially only for its shipping back when Genoa was still a maritime power.) They predated the English national use by centuries.

  • @Otacatapetl

    @Otacatapetl

    3 жыл бұрын

    Darn. You beat me to it.

  • @kevwhufc8640

    @kevwhufc8640

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ememe1412 your right about the lions flag being royal and not national, because in StAlbans abbey Henry 5th brother Duke Humphrey is buried there and his tomb is covered in the royal coat of arms, its visible through the open work grill , which underneath leads down to his tomb.

  • @eddiejc1

    @eddiejc1

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. That flag represented the English royal family and their claim to both the kingdoms of England and France. Incredibly, the English still claimed to be the rightful rulers of France all the way up to the French Revolution. I'm having trouble finding the exact year this changed, but I think it was during the brief Peace of Amiens in the early 19th century. Even though that peace didn't last, they didn't change the flag back since Britain's ultimate goal was to restore the French monarchy. Today, the royal standard is still similar to the old flag except the quadrants with the fleurs-de-lis (representing France) are replaced with a red lion in a yellow square representing Scotland and a gold harp in a blue square representing Ireland, and then later just Northern Ireland. That flag is used by the British monarch throughout the UK except Scotland. Within Scotland, the two red squares representing England are replaced with the yellow squares of Scotland, and where elsewhere in the country the yellow Scottish square is used becomes replaced by the red square of England.

  • @alfredthegreatkingofwessex6838
    @alfredthegreatkingofwessex68384 жыл бұрын

    You're great at both teaching me and cracking me up

  • @keighlancoe5933
    @keighlancoe59333 жыл бұрын

    I'm reading alot of comments here and feel I need to dispell many myths regarding the Anglo-Saxons They were shorter and uglier and less well-groomed than their Scandinavian counterparts: False. The Saxons did bathe, there are many written accounts describing their hygiene habits; they would comb their hair and beards frequently, the Normans wrote that they found the Anglo-Saxons to be beautiful people, they tended to have long well kept hair, and they had well groomed beards or moustaches, some of them also braided or plaited their hair and beards. They brushed their teeth with twigs, salt and mint leaves. They would wash from buckets of water and a sponge, they were very pious and it was considered sinful to be dirty in Christianity, much the same way as in Islam and Judaism; they also washed in rivers, lakes and streams. They averaged the same height as the Scandinavians, we have many of their remains recorded and examined, and along with this we have written records of their diets. They were surprisingly well fed, before the Norman conquest every man, no matter whether a humble peasant or noble lord had the legal right to hunt in all of the woods and forests; they hunted and ate deer, wild boar, rabbits, swan, and they also at horse meat along with a great deal of dairy and of course farmed animals such as cows, sheep, chickens etc. In short, they ate a great deal of protein, and the average English peasant was most important allowed to owe land and pass it down through his family; this meant they didn't have to pay rent, which gave them more income, and they didn't have to give half of their food to the Normans every harvest. Their bones indicate they were on average, 5"10, the same as modern day English people and Scandinavians of the time, they were also incredibly strong; what's striking is how jacked they all were, including the women, their bones show markings from where muscles and ligaments had grown, which can give you an accurate reading of how muscular someone was built when they were alive, the Anglo-Saxons were generally quite tall and in very, very good shape. In terms of looks, they wouldn't have looked remarkably different to them either, they shared much of the same DNA and were both Germanic people's, and they were alot more closely related back then than they are today, so in general they would have had alot of fair haired and blue eyed folk who looked suspiciously Dutch and Danish, and also a smattering of redheads from mating with the Britons, and alot of brown and blackheads too. Think Jax Teller from Sons of Anarchy, alot of them wouldn't look a world a way from what he looked like. They were terrible at battle: False. They had a martial culture and were more or less a warrior society. They had a very organised military system, with officers (hēretoga in Old English). They fought behind a shieldwall, much the same as the Vikings, and they had developed many tactics such as the Bāraceafl (Boarsnout) a kind of arrowhead formation. Their shields were round and looked much the same as the Vikings, their helmets were generally very similar as was the rest of their armour. If you had an actual Saxon Huscarl and a Viking stood in front of you, you probably wouldn't know which was which unless you knew what to look for (a main giveaway is the way they wore their Sēax on the front as a belt, the Vikings tended to wear their knives on their sides above their sword scabbards) and the Vikings tended to have very baggy, striped trousers whereas the Saxons opted for tighter fitting linen. Even their languages sounded quite similar, and were somewhat mutually intelligible to a degree; the Norse wrote they could understand the Anglo-Saxons very well, and they in turn could more or less understand them, but they noted they could not understand a word of the Germanic people living in Germany, whereas the Anglo-Saxons could understand them to a degree (they called them Old Saxons)

  • @lfsg689

    @lfsg689

    3 жыл бұрын

    It must be said that the anglo-saxons were different before and after king Alfred the Great, in the 9th century. He defeated the vikings that had invaded the land, he unified and organized England and civilized his people, making them learn to read (mainly the bible and classic roman texts, that he translated) and bringing great european thinkers to London. He used to say that he would like to have lived with the wise in Rome (where he went as a teenager), but he couldn't, so he brought the wise to London. He was the founder of England as a unified country, and he was loved by his successors. William the Conqueror brought some french influence, but respected Alfred's heritage.

  • @urseliusurgel4365

    @urseliusurgel4365

    3 жыл бұрын

    Anglo-Saxon society had slaves (theowas) and some paid rent for their land (gafolgeldas). Anglo-Saxon society was quite stratified, it was not an egalitarian society of free peasants. At the top were the gesithcund, they were the warrior class and included all varieties of lord, ceorls, free farmers who owned their own land, rent payers and semi-unfree classes like the laets of Kent, then the slaves at the bottom of the heap.

  • @keighlancoe5933

    @keighlancoe5933

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@urseliusurgel4365 slavery wasn't necessarily permanent though, it was more like a prison sentence in many ways. If you commit a crime and can't pay wergild then you could end up as a slave for a period of time to pay off your debt, and of course prisoners of war often ended up in slavery. It was certainly a better society than the one the Normans brought in though

  • @katnerd6712

    @katnerd6712

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@keighlancoe5933 Slavery was a common practice throughout Europe at this time (and Asia, and Africa, and...well, everywhere). The Viking raids of the Northmen were not about raiding churches for gold, they were about raiding villages for people. They'd take them to Frisia, and later Dublin, to be sold to other slavers. There was a huge trade in slaves going from Western Europe to the East. While, as you say, you could buy your way out of slavery at the time you could also be born in to slavery. Also if Aethelfuck raided your village and took you to a larger settlement and sold you, that meant you were a slave Nobody was going to question Aethelfuck and his fifty, armed, happily belligerent, raiders. They didn't exactly regulate it. Might makes right was the word of the time.

  • @arrelite
    @arrelite3 жыл бұрын

    First time here, love the narration, sounds like a history nerd at a dinner party who is getting too deep into things but refuses to stop and actually keeps people entertained

  • @gwawd
    @gwawd3 жыл бұрын

    The English actually used the St.George's cross on a lease terms from Genoa so that the English ships could more or less safely travel the seas. They paid an annual ransom for the franchise. That didn't help much though to protect the English coast from Liguarian pirates.

  • @Valencetheshireman927

    @Valencetheshireman927

    2 жыл бұрын

    There was a historiographical tradition claiming that Richard the Lionheart himself adopted both the flag and the patron saint from the Republic of Genoa at some point during his crusade. This idea can be traced to the Victorian era, Perrin (1922) refers to it as a "common belief", and it is still popularly repeated today even though it cannot be substantiated as historical. Via Wikipedia

  • @giftbox2369
    @giftbox23694 жыл бұрын

    In 1190 Richard the Lionheart, ruler of England, asked the Genoese ships, sailors, admirals and escorts to transport his army to Jerusalem. During the crossing he noticed that Muslims, Turks, Spaniards, French and Catalans were staying well away. Intrigued, he asked Admiral Lercari, the commander of the expedition, for the reason. He probably gave an answer similar to this: “You see your Majesty, pointing to the Cross of St. George, everyone knows that who dares to attack the battle against a wood defended by this sign , will incur certain death "(the body of the crossbowmen, with which the Genoese galleys were equipped, in fact instilled respect and terror in all seas). The King then asked, by paying an annual fee, to be able to fly the Genoese flag in the Mediterranean and the Black Sea, so that no one dared to attack. After a couple of centuries, following the good relations established, the Genoese gave the British the use of the flag which, still today, is a symbol of England, London and the British Navy.

  • @elliskaranikolaou2550

    @elliskaranikolaou2550

    4 жыл бұрын

    That is my understanding too. There was a historiographical tradition claiming that Richard the Lionheart himself adopted both the flag and the patron saint from Genoa at some point during his crusade. This idea can be traced to the Victorian era,[5] Perrin (1922) refers to it as a "common belief", and it is still popularly repeated today even though it cannot be substantiated as historical.

  • @rob5197

    @rob5197

    3 жыл бұрын

    No permission given ever - - English just went demential

  • @garbancitolentejas486

    @garbancitolentejas486

    Жыл бұрын

    Catalans were Spaniards ...

  • @fredjohnson9426
    @fredjohnson94264 жыл бұрын

    Love this! You've definitely won my subscription! On a tangent, it's interesting to note that the image of a lion lying down facing the viewer, as in the English arms, can be termed a 'lion passant guardant', whilst French heralds of the Medieval Period termed it a 'leopard'. Thus both mean the same and are interchangeable, with lions being more common today but leopards likely more so in the Medieval Period.

  • @comradeedwin1006
    @comradeedwin10064 жыл бұрын

    Love your videos keep the great work up!

  • @TimDutch
    @TimDutch4 жыл бұрын

    Good vid as always.

  • @historywithhilbert146

    @historywithhilbert146

    4 жыл бұрын

    Tige dank Tim!

  • @rextheroyalist6389
    @rextheroyalist63894 жыл бұрын

    8:55 Me: *happy British noises*

  • @The_Sigillite

    @The_Sigillite

    4 жыл бұрын

    I approve this message for reasons.

  • @firstnamelastname7003

    @firstnamelastname7003

    3 жыл бұрын

    Happy British noises, of course, being vague 'hoorah!'s and 'hear hear!'s mumbled through a moustache

  • @anamationmax
    @anamationmax4 жыл бұрын

    0:19 okay. Who made that?

  • @MineMiguel40

    @MineMiguel40

    4 жыл бұрын

    Klaidi Rubiku or an Irishman

  • @dominicclarke2775

    @dominicclarke2775

    4 жыл бұрын

    Scione wasn’t the Irish we don’t hate the Scots or welsh

  • @LordVader1094

    @LordVader1094

    4 жыл бұрын

    Someone who has a good sense of humor.

  • @cliverogers4933
    @cliverogers49333 жыл бұрын

    Mercifully brief- thanks for the concise light touch.

  • @olisargent9877
    @olisargent98773 жыл бұрын

    Great vid, love this kind of stuff

  • @qwertyuiopzxcfgh
    @qwertyuiopzxcfgh4 жыл бұрын

    I did not expect Walcheren to show up in this video. I grew up on the island, so it makes me happy that you even know of its existence.

  • @FritzyFreakout
    @FritzyFreakout3 жыл бұрын

    Great video! I would love to see one about the different saint’s flags.

  • @shanemize3775
    @shanemize37753 жыл бұрын

    Outstanding video! I learned a bunch.

  • @wannabehistorian371
    @wannabehistorian3714 жыл бұрын

    Its been a while I’ve watch your video. Wow you’ve improved a lot!

  • @dc-4ever201
    @dc-4ever2014 жыл бұрын

    Might have been useful to mention for viewers that the Throne where British Monarchs are crowned in Westminster Abbey is the "Saint Edward's Throne " and he is also entombed there.

  • @hblanco5923
    @hblanco59234 жыл бұрын

    The dutch anthem has copyright anf the british no? XD

  • @alexandrub8786

    @alexandrub8786

    4 жыл бұрын

    Kaptalism 0

  • @anttibjorklund1869

    @anttibjorklund1869

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Afrodisiac Copyright as a legal term originates from the Statute of Anne in the early 18th century.

  • @vaderbuckeye36

    @vaderbuckeye36

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Afrodisiac its the specific performance that has the copyright, not the song and arrangement. A modern recording of an old song is a brand new copyright.

  • @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

    @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@vaderbuckeye36 "A modern recording of an old song is a brand new copyright." This should not be the case.

  • @henrypernoix1793

    @henrypernoix1793

    4 жыл бұрын

    British anthem was French before the English stole it.

  • @Waiting_To_Retire
    @Waiting_To_Retire4 жыл бұрын

    Great video, as usual.

  • @ants5233
    @ants52333 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video, thank you very much!

  • @Conorp77
    @Conorp774 жыл бұрын

    Interesting during the reign of Richard II the hundred years war flag (three lions quartered with the fleur de lis) were also combined with the cross of Edward the Confessor. Richard really did see himself as his successor in terms of piety and even had paintings commisioned showing him being blessed by Edward the Confessor. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_coat_of_arms_of_the_United_Kingdom#/media/File:Royal_Arms_of_England_(1395-1399).svg

  • @nairedja6524
    @nairedja65244 жыл бұрын

    The most ironic part is that probably not a single medieval european has ever seen a lion in his life

  • @peterholden2016

    @peterholden2016

    4 жыл бұрын

    No, the most ironic part is the choice of meme used to comment on Edward the Confessor's celibacy.

  • @larson0014

    @larson0014

    4 жыл бұрын

    on pilgrimage to the middle east they would in captivity

  • @Conorp77

    @Conorp77

    4 жыл бұрын

    they didn't understand the difference between lions and leopards yet, so while we may say 'three lions', if you asked Richard I he would've said otherwise.

  • @AlanGChenery

    @AlanGChenery

    4 жыл бұрын

    Richard's royal menagerie had (I believe 3) lions. So at least some had seen them. :p

  • @PyrusFlameborn

    @PyrusFlameborn

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Conorp77 leopards, lions, tigers, and panthers were all just called panthers.

  • @aenorist2431
    @aenorist24314 жыл бұрын

    Wait what. Been on edge all video, and then you come around with *that* ? How dare you, I was waiting for a hilarious dutch tangent :P

  • @kevsmithard5586
    @kevsmithard55863 жыл бұрын

    Great Video. Thanks 👍.

  • @CB0408
    @CB04084 жыл бұрын

    If England can sport a lion on its flag, I can't see why Russia's flag shouldn't feature a cabybara.

  • @ladyliberty417
    @ladyliberty4174 жыл бұрын

    Love the combination of English and Scottish flags!! Should have known that, ha!! Hope you’re ok Hilbert and escaping out into the woods once in awhile🌲

  • @DavBlc7

    @DavBlc7

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well, the combination of English and Scottish flags may not be for much longer if Scotland decides to vote yes for independence.

  • @ladyliberty417

    @ladyliberty417

    4 жыл бұрын

    David Black Of course!! It’s complicated 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿✌🏼

  • @valmeysien9680
    @valmeysien96804 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting video thank you.

  • @theplatypus104
    @theplatypus1044 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video and really informative. But I think the video graphics is a bit glitchy and tears sometimes. Might be the software? So I'd maybe work on the graphics quality. Keep it up!

  • @toveychurchill6468
    @toveychurchill64684 жыл бұрын

    7:37 could that ship be Mary Rose? Hilbert,would you like to talk about how that lion-flower(?) flag evolve into today’s royal standard ? That flag was also used as naval command flags at some point.

  • @ecaterinavisan8178
    @ecaterinavisan81784 жыл бұрын

    The one with the birds and cross was actually really lovely. Is it still used today for any region or symbols of old noble families?

  • @colinh9813
    @colinh98133 жыл бұрын

    You should do the Ulster fleg. It has a white field, George cross, union flag on the top left quarter and what many people think is the seal of Solomon in the centre which is actually an orange order symbol called the six points of fellowship.

  • @elizabethmerin7489
    @elizabethmerin74894 жыл бұрын

    Only getting better.

  • @archeofutura_4606
    @archeofutura_46064 жыл бұрын

    As requested, here is my F for the loss of Wilhelmus

  • @saidhammar5006
    @saidhammar50064 жыл бұрын

    I love the three lion flag. You really should get it back. But the Edward III flag, with the golden three lions on red quarters, and the many golden fleur-de-lys on blue quarters is even the most beautiful flag I've ever seen. So so so class

  • @ianprince1698
    @ianprince16983 жыл бұрын

    the three lions is the personal flag of the king. today Buckingham palace only flies the royal standard when the Queen is present, that flag follows her from place to place in England.

  • @constantdrowsiness4458
    @constantdrowsiness44584 жыл бұрын

    Wasn't Richard's lions derived from his mother, Eleanor of Aquitaine's coat of arms?

  • @Conorp77

    @Conorp77

    4 жыл бұрын

    even earlier, the arms of Geoffrey Plantaganet, Count of Anjou, whom fathered Henry II (Plantaganet). This is the point the royal house spins off from the House of Normandy itself and is among the earliest examples of heraldry as it became.

  • @Conorp77

    @Conorp77

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Joshua Morgan sure, but we still know him as Geoffrey Plantaganet in modern terms

  • @neiloflongbeck5705

    @neiloflongbeck5705

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Joshua Morgan the broom plant (plantae genista) was use as an emblem of the house of Aquitaine. The Latin became corrupted over the years to become Plantagenet.

  • @neiloflongbeck5705

    @neiloflongbeck5705

    4 жыл бұрын

    To be pedantic they're not lions but leopards.

  • @stuartc9149

    @stuartc9149

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@neiloflongbeck5705 Not sure how that works since Hen ry I was Henry of Anjou, not Aquitaine

  • @12345678900987659101
    @123456789009876591014 жыл бұрын

    It got discarded for being too F*ench.

  • @x-a-

    @x-a-

    4 жыл бұрын

    You're still mad that the French kicked your ass haha

  • @MW_Asura

    @MW_Asura

    4 жыл бұрын

    @George S Kay, but this is about England and France so what the Norse did or didn't do is irrelevant here

  • @lecapetien3223

    @lecapetien3223

    4 жыл бұрын

    the Saint Georges Cross was the flag of the Templiers.

  • @Neion8

    @Neion8

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@x-a- Not sure if just about managing to defend your country from an invading army who hail from a country with 1/3 of your population due to a religious fanatic and her favourite child-molesting, mass-murdering general really counts as kicking ass tbh.

  • @lockyhocky2

    @lockyhocky2

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@x-a- When are you talking about?

  • @golddiggerdave
    @golddiggerdave4 жыл бұрын

    Top marks! very interesting

  • @rjeeemilyzaannrichardjhon438
    @rjeeemilyzaannrichardjhon438 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Hilbert about that three lions stand for... Aquitaine England Norms

  • @CarthagoMike
    @CarthagoMike4 жыл бұрын

    No matter what historical region is talked about, and no matter which time period is being discussed, There is always a way to sneak some Dutch history or territory in.

  • @HansLemurson
    @HansLemurson4 жыл бұрын

    5:00 excellent use of the distracted boyfriend meme

  • @golddiggerdave
    @golddiggerdave4 жыл бұрын

    Have you done anything on the house of Hanover? I've being researching for a while, interesting to see this house spans centuries and many other ruling families

  • @sawyersprott
    @sawyersprott4 жыл бұрын

    Dope video

  • @Enzo012
    @Enzo0124 жыл бұрын

    Three lions on a flag, jewels remain still gleaming.

  • @danti8510
    @danti85104 жыл бұрын

    The flag on the far left at 6:35 kinda looks like tbe swedish coat of arms

  • @meeds7473
    @meeds74734 жыл бұрын

    @History With Hilbert, is there a section of video missing between 6:18 and 6:19?

  • @jovanweismiller7114
    @jovanweismiller71144 жыл бұрын

    The first Book of Common Prayer was, indeed, issued in the reign of Edward VI, but it was in 1549. The 1552 BCP was the 2nd edition thereof.

  • @rag0t2010
    @rag0t20104 жыл бұрын

    oh hi, why do Bulgarians and Norwegians also use (or used) lions?? I heard that the Persians and Greeks stole the Lion image from the Hittites, but I don't know if to believe that

  • @TheRealKingLeopoldII

    @TheRealKingLeopoldII

    4 жыл бұрын

    A lot of European countries use lions. The Belgian coat of arms has 14 lions on it

  • @Drewski-hw1yi

    @Drewski-hw1yi

    4 жыл бұрын

    Actually lions were present in ancient Greece and Persia in fact the range of lion habitats stretched far beyond what it is today.

  • @einarbolstad8150

    @einarbolstad8150

    4 жыл бұрын

    @George S Take a look at the Norwegian coat of arms, that ain't no leopard.

  • @rag0t2010

    @rag0t2010

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Michal Blaszczak the Hittites came first

  • @gonk534

    @gonk534

    4 жыл бұрын

    Einar Bolstad Europeans called Lions leopards in medieval times, I think.

  • @gavingrewal2733
    @gavingrewal27334 жыл бұрын

    u should do a video about the Irish Saint Patrick's flag and their harp flag

  • @northernli4491

    @northernli4491

    4 жыл бұрын

    St.Patrick was a British saint not Irish. He is the patron saint of Ireland though.

  • @gilgalbiblewheel6313
    @gilgalbiblewheel63134 жыл бұрын

    Is there any association of the England's flag of the red cross in the white background to the Knights Templars? Another story I heard is that when England would sail into the Mediterranean they were advised to bear this flag by the Genoese to avoid being sunk.

  • @Luzitanium
    @Luzitanium3 жыл бұрын

    0:21 ahhaha nice drawing, so real :D

  • @EmperorConnor
    @EmperorConnor4 жыл бұрын

    0:19 norf FC up the EDL hate the missus love stella

  • @EmperorConnor

    @EmperorConnor

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Daniel Crutcher Ermm..ok? Don't see how that relates to what I said mate

  • @ideclaredwaronyourfrenchas4123

    @ideclaredwaronyourfrenchas4123

    4 жыл бұрын

    Asda has some cheap beer innit?

  • @bloodonmyboot5176
    @bloodonmyboot51764 жыл бұрын

    I heard that the St George was adopted because our trading ships were trading from Genoa so they had to sail under the Genoa flag

  • @Epicrandomness1111

    @Epicrandomness1111

    4 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like Ligurian propaganda to me

  • @rob5197

    @rob5197

    3 жыл бұрын

    True very true - - it's originally a genoves flag

  • @loupiscanis9449
    @loupiscanis94494 жыл бұрын

    Interesting, Thank you .

  • @ay613
    @ay6133 жыл бұрын

    Hi there, May i ask where do u think u will go when u die u dont have to answer if u dont want to?

  • @theirishcenturion8347
    @theirishcenturion83474 жыл бұрын

    The “Union Flag” as referred too in the video, from my own experience, has always been called the “Union Jack” Edit: In 1908 the UK parliament stated, in line with the Admiralty’s verdict in 1902, that ‘the Union Jack should be regarded as the national flag’.

  • @JohnMacbeth

    @JohnMacbeth

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's only a "Union Jack" when it's flown on a ship. The "Union Flag" is the correct term.

  • @DaraGaming42

    @DaraGaming42

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnMacbeth your right, i learned that on DoctorWho

  • @neiloflongbeck5705
    @neiloflongbeck57054 жыл бұрын

    Edward the Confessor would be Edward -I not Edward -II. He was the last Edward crowned king before Edward I.

  • @paulwilliams493
    @paulwilliams4934 жыл бұрын

    I believe that the "lions" were actually referred to as Leopards in the Mediæval period. The combination of St. George's & St. Andrew's crosses began with the union of the Crowns under James I/IV and until well into the 19th Century it was common for Scottish versions of the flag to have the Saltire atop the St George's cross. This continued even after the addition of St. Patrick's cross in 1801 and can still be found in the standard of The Northern Lighthouse Board, Scotland's equivalent to Trinity House. Wales, being completely incorporated into the Kingdom of England in the 1540's, is represented by the St. George's cross.

  • @ivowiersma1465
    @ivowiersma14654 жыл бұрын

    Can you do a video on grutte pier?

  • @LordBitememan
    @LordBitememan4 жыл бұрын

    Did. . . did you cheat me out of a Het Wilhelmus there?

  • @ecurewitz

    @ecurewitz

    4 жыл бұрын

    but you got a Rule Britannia instead!

  • @sabaruengineering3843
    @sabaruengineering38433 жыл бұрын

    Countries with Cross in their flag England, Scotland, New Zealand, Australia Georgia, Greece Iceland, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Norway Portugal, Spain

  • @Elmaxo1989

    @Elmaxo1989

    3 жыл бұрын

    Switzerland, Malta, Tonga, Fiji, Jamaica Brazil, if you count the Southern Cross constellation

  • @watcherzero5256

    @watcherzero5256

    3 жыл бұрын

    Tuvalu and 16 British and 3 New Zealand Overseas Territories. Then theres another two dozen states or cities which incorporate the Union Jack. And of course the Union Jack flys above Hawaii to this day as the state flag.

  • @roberto3151991
    @roberto31519913 жыл бұрын

    Loved the ending! Found out a few years ago that my English ancestry goes back back to the 12 Century or so! 🇱🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇨🇮🇬🇧🇺🇸

  • @thehappyprince8012
    @thehappyprince80124 жыл бұрын

    The flag quartered with the arms of England and France was not the old flag of England, it’s the former Royal Banner or Royal Standard. It was not not replaced by the St. George’s flag because it’s still used today (except that the modern version is quartered with the arms of England, Scotland and Ireland).

  • @Shaden0040
    @Shaden00404 жыл бұрын

    Did Wales have a flag and why was it not incoporated with the English and Scottish flags?

  • @michael3088

    @michael3088

    4 жыл бұрын

    When the Normans took over England they conquered Wales very soon after also so for a long time they were legally represented as part of England so Wales is also represented by the George cross in this instance. It wasn't until pretty recently that Wales got it's own government (which is called the National Assembly)

  • @stevethomas5849

    @stevethomas5849

    4 жыл бұрын

    Whilst I am English but have Welsh blood throughout these veins. I'm I mistaken, but was St Patrick ( the cross in the flag ) Welsh born. If so then Wales is represented in a roundabout way. I am referring to the Union ( Jack ) Flag.

  • @TheMoonRover

    @TheMoonRover

    4 жыл бұрын

    Indeed. Wales was effectively an English-controlled territory for several centuries, and had been fully merged into the Kingdom of England before the union of England and Scotland. All laws passed between 1689-1948 simply consider it to be part of England. Even now, the Welsh Assembly (est. 1999) has less devolved power than the Scottish Parliament or even Stormont (Northern Ireland), and it's not unusual for laws to specify "England and Wales"

  • @drstrangecoin6050
    @drstrangecoin60504 жыл бұрын

    0:19 sosig roll

  • @karenburrows9184
    @karenburrows91844 жыл бұрын

    Pardon me, but in the first banner you showed, I seem to remember heraldry blazons the "lions" more correctly as leopards. First and fourth quarters show the royal arms of France (dans un champ d'azure, trois fleurs-de-lys or); while the second and third quarters show "on a field gules, three lions (leopards) or, passant guardant, langued and clawed azure". It was the banner of the King of England. I have only seen this arrangement originally attributed to Henry IV. My understanding of Richard I's arms and banner were those of his father, Henry II, being on a shield, as previously described for the 2nd and 3rd quarters of the aforementioned banner. If I have this wrong, please correct me.

  • @jordi6795
    @jordi67954 жыл бұрын

    It is also the flag of the Principality of Catalonia, and currently a second flag of Catalonia, this is why it is also present in Barcelona's flag, also Saint George is the patron saint of Catalonia as well, and shares its veneration with Aragon due to the shared medieval crown.

  • @johnorchard4
    @johnorchard44 жыл бұрын

    The easy answer to the question "What Happened to the Old (Medieval) English Flag?", "Why did it change?" is that it didn't. The flag with Lions (or Leopards), and the Fleurs-de-Lys is the personal banner of the king of England. It's successor is the Sovereign's personal standard which is flown wherever Elizabeth II happens to be at the time. The other is the flag of St. George which someone in the mediaeval period thought might make a nice national flag.

  • @phampshire6864
    @phampshire68644 жыл бұрын

    Had any medieval European kings actually seen a real lion ?

  • @tomg7913

    @tomg7913

    4 жыл бұрын

    P Hampshire yes. Henry III started a zoo in the Tower of London and it had lions in it

  • @JustDaniel6764

    @JustDaniel6764

    3 жыл бұрын

    We invented lions like we invented everything else.

  • @Cobrashadows
    @Cobrashadows3 жыл бұрын

    Loved the Ending.

  • @realgeorge8164
    @realgeorge81644 жыл бұрын

    im loving that runescape classic aesthetic

  • @finnklapproth6023
    @finnklapproth60234 жыл бұрын

    When you cant be patriotic with your first half of heritage, than bei it with your second :D

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory4 жыл бұрын

    It seems like everyone just used the St. George's flag

  • @BrindleChase
    @BrindleChase4 жыл бұрын

    Nicely done. I'm sure you know, but I thought I would mention the current Union Jack got its diagonal red stripes by incorporating Northern Ireland's flag over the combination of England's and Scotland's flags, when it joined the UK.

  • @DMCS1917

    @DMCS1917

    3 жыл бұрын

    *Forced/bribed into the uk (same goes for Scotland)

  • @Eppu_Paranormaali

    @Eppu_Paranormaali

    9 күн бұрын

    Ireland's flag, not just Northern. It's St. Patrick's cross, so the Union Jack consists of the symbols of the patron saints of all three kingdoms which originally formed the United Kingdom.

  • @Binzdogger
    @Binzdogger3 жыл бұрын

    That finish is absolutely class

  • @mitchell4567
    @mitchell45674 жыл бұрын

    I shed a tear when 'God save the Queen' was played over images of the Empire

  • @colinfeist1890
    @colinfeist18903 жыл бұрын

    They're not lions of course, they're leopards. Common mistake.

  • @alisonrandall3039

    @alisonrandall3039

    3 жыл бұрын

    Colin Feist Three leopards on my shirt.

  • @no2palacegateholidayrental8

    @no2palacegateholidayrental8

    3 жыл бұрын

    It’s one of those situations where “it’s a common mistake” is, in fact, the mistake. Medieval French heralds sometimes referred to a lion depicted as walking (passant) as a lion leopardé. This is one of those nit picky distinctions that has confused people and led them to assume the lions are in fact leopards, when the term refers to the lions’ attitude, not the species. The Lions of England are three lions passant (walking) guardant (facing the viewer) or (gold).

  • @TheSeanoops
    @TheSeanoops4 жыл бұрын

    I recently made myself a dome riveted hauberk with attached mittens and coif. I’m definitely going to make a tabard with the cross of Saint George to go with it, Deus Vult.

  • @Lord_Retrospect
    @Lord_Retrospect4 жыл бұрын

    Fun with Flags. Thank you

  • @not_juice_man9867
    @not_juice_man98674 жыл бұрын

    Those diagonals come from the old Irish flags, when they conquered Ireland.

  • @wilsonkeith3
    @wilsonkeith34 жыл бұрын

    In Danish the word "Lion" is spelled "Løve", was Richard engaging in some sort of ancient punnery?

  • @jesusislukeskywalker4294

    @jesusislukeskywalker4294

    4 жыл бұрын

    good comment. yes someone is having a laugh. possibly loki or satan. or the royal society for covering things up and tricking everyone lol. history all seems dodgy under scrutiny.

  • @bryn1890
    @bryn1890Ай бұрын

    I read somewhere that the English merchants first adopted whilst trading with Genoa, because the Genoese were at war with so many other city states/ pirates, that their warships would attack anything that wasn't flying a Genoese flag. The English, with whom they were not at war, were instructed to fly it as they approached Italy.

  • @luisacelaya4362
    @luisacelaya43624 жыл бұрын

    What was the flags used by the Marches of Styria and Carniola in the middle ages??? Was the population mostly Germanic??