They were such great cars. She’s right. Saturn didn’t fail, GM did

@PontiacFan68

3 жыл бұрын

No its because GM is GCM now which stands for Greedy Chinese Motors sense half of their sales are in China

@JAMESJJEFFERS

3 жыл бұрын

@@PontiacFan68 It wasn't Chinese who wouldn't sell their Jets for a Bailout. GM also killed a few other brands. Never trust a company that piss in the same bucket just different colors. Dinosaurs

@PontiacFan68

3 жыл бұрын

@@JAMESJJEFFERS oh shit

@PontiacFan68

3 жыл бұрын

@@JAMESJJEFFERS that sounds about right

@hunterabdiel9174

3 жыл бұрын

InstaBlaster.

If you have one, PLEASE take good care of 'em. Thank you. :-)

@ScottG420

3 жыл бұрын

2002 SC1 w/209,000 miles. been restoring it the last 2 years

@mylifeisJDM

3 жыл бұрын

Looking to buy one and take care of it 🤘

@josephstevens4032

3 жыл бұрын

Selling my silver 03 sedan for $1,800. 60k on the engine and clutch, 270k on the body and it is still in good shape.

@micksterboone4517

3 жыл бұрын

@@myratsalad75k on mine. Just purchased from a 97 yo WW2 veteran. Garage kept 4cyl. creampuff for 2k. My third Saturn.

@85bbenjaminfan

3 жыл бұрын

I'm buying a 2007 Ion sedan today, definitely plan to take care of it

Good video I'm a former SATURN Tech. I worked for them from 1994 to 2009 when our dealer closed its doors. When the GM vehicle's came in we know we where in trouble. I still own my Saturn SC2 with 365,040 miles on it.1/1/2018. Now is the time to bring back SATURN.

@charlielainez1148

6 жыл бұрын

FRANK SPARWASSER I just got my first car as a Saturn Sky, it's the best.

@ShineYourLightDetailing

6 жыл бұрын

I've owned 4 S-Series Saturns. :-) Now have my 5-speed '98 SC2 RARE "Red Hot". LOVE it! Always up on the Maintenance, everything documented. Just replaced the Clutch & Clutch Master Cylinder. 15,000 mile oil & filter frequently changed. THANK YOU for being a Tech! Have you seen or heard of mine??

@shanekawilliams6746

5 жыл бұрын

I just purchased a saturn outlook. I had to do my research. I wondered why i dont see this vechile on the road as much. Then that's when i found out it was discontinued. I still purchased

@PearComputingDevices

3 жыл бұрын

When I seen a rebadged Chevy Uplander, I knew the brand was over. Don't get me wrong, the uplander is an alright refresh of the Chevy Venture, but it wasn't competitive in 2005 let alone soon after. It could have been, but GM insisted on reusing much of that aging van and throwing on a clunky front end, worst badge engineering without distinction to boot. Even Ford did a better job at updating the Windstar. Sad really. I guess the upside to that van is that it's reliable drive train. But it certainly wasn't no Saturn by any stretch.

I worked in Saturn engine block machining in Springhill from '89 thru ''91. From the start, every single step of the way went over budget. Saturn "partners" gouged us on every nut and bolt, machine tools, machine lines, brooms and supplies. Half the workers wanted a position that didn't actually involve work, former assembly line workers were suddenly "Engineers" who walked around with clipboards. Many workers felt they were owed more by GM and would file for overtime every week. It took thousands more workers than planned for to build the cars, and double the original budget to get the plant going. Most of the managers were able to get a job for their spouse in elite offices of Northfield. Saturn says they made a profit for many years, but in reality during those years they were only paying the bills. Never was a penny paid on the $9 billion dollar investment. I was just one machine line operator. What I saw happening made me sick.

@scottprins6271

5 жыл бұрын

Dan; we got better. You and Karen did not stick around long enough to see it happen.

@dmcnamara9859

5 ай бұрын

Saturn never made a dime. Cars were pathetic compared to Japanese and VW. The seating position was atrocious along with the sound of engine at even moderate RPM.

I have a 2001 sl2 my 1st car I'm 28 years old now I got it when I was 17 I still have it now it's got 344k miles original engine is never let me down is never been to a shop saturn car are the best daily driver hands down

@ModernBrick

7 жыл бұрын

Alex Gonzalez Yeah! I only drive Saturns. I bought a 1997 SL2 last May, 260K miles, 35 mpg. I have driven it around the country twice and it never has issues! I am going to restore it a bit and drive it until the wheels fall off😄😍

@queenstatus3049

5 жыл бұрын

I Got an 08 203,000

Saturn was not making money for GM. They were very reliable, and therefore, fewer people buying new cars to replace them.

@gearheadred

6 жыл бұрын

And they didn't offer anything to trade up to.

@doowopnuts

5 жыл бұрын

I love our 2003 L - 160,000 trouble free miles - now GM is building Buicks and Cadillacs in China!

@PontiacFan68

3 жыл бұрын

@@doowopnuts now GM is just a disgrace to America

@PearComputingDevices

3 жыл бұрын

That's a good point. I have one of the last true Saturns, a 2002 Sl1, 4 door with a 5 speed. 148k. Drinks oil, but otherwise more reliable then anything we've bought since and this was our family's 3rd Saturn. I inherited it in 2008 and have been driving it since. Sure, I don't go far to work most of the time. But the thing works and over all it it still looks like a great vehicle inside and out. Something that most don't in our area... I live in the snow belt. Not even our 2006 Vue could handle the winters here. Two transmissions later, It gave up years ago.

@85bbenjaminfan

3 жыл бұрын

And this is exactly the wrong attitude to have. Consumers are looking for a reliable product that will last for a long time, not a product that will break down after ten years of ownership. And GM wonders why Honda and Toyota out sells them. Those two companies build some of the most reliable vehicles on the road. They understand what the consumer wants and as such have built a loyal fan base

And I still have my Homecoming 1994 SL2

@davont1445

3 жыл бұрын

Cool!!!

Saturn should have branched off on it's own. I miss my 1995 SC2 stick.

The L Series was the beginning of the end: a kludge of a car based on the Opel Vectra, modified enough to retain the dent resistant plastic body panels (sans rear quarter panels) but assembled in Wilmington, DE under the standard UAW contract, and plagued with quality problems. It was all downhill from there, even before Saturn ultimately became the US outlet for rebadged Opels. I put 220,000 miles on my 1997 Saturn SL2 - that was a great little car! Still miss those dent resistant body panels. (I now drive a 2007 Subaru Legacy which is currently at 137,000 miles - good car, but the boxer engine is on its second set of head gaskets and the ultra-thin Subaru sheetmetal is the antithesis of the Saturn panels!)

@ZaneofAustin

7 жыл бұрын

fuck yea

@thedriza297

7 жыл бұрын

Matthew Johnson i live exactly across the street from the once open wilmington plant. Now its a vacant shit hole overgrown weeds and rusting pipe stacks. Im sure partying and drinking in the parking lot at lunch break had nothing to do with quality problems. When that plant closed alot of people got their corporate wake up call.

@ZaneofAustin

7 жыл бұрын

Except they sold so well they were putting GM under haha You say quality problems, i say GM got scared of how well Saturn did. Corporate wake up was realizing that the group investment that Saturn was, was worth it; but it was too late as they had already been sentenced to death via GM's ban hammer. Saturns were too good. (for the consumer economy car, obviously we're not talking about saturn's amazing powerful engines, and durable interior and exterior design. But hands down most fuel efficient, mechanically sound, and lightweight vehicles to date, with amazing power/weight ratios)

@dmj-ju9zx

6 жыл бұрын

+ Matthew Johnson I agree- the S-series was unfortunately where Saturn hit its peak. I've had 2. My '96 SL1 went 170K with very little unscheduled maintenance before I traded it for an '02 SL2, which has now gone 210K needing very little in the way of service until recently (both front springs broke; my '96 didn't have that problem). Finding aftermarket parts (e.g. wheel bearings and ball joints) with anything near the quality of the OE parts seems to be impossible and highlights just how good those OE parts were. My SL2 still has its original clutch, for example. It is worth noting that the '99 engine redesign was a disaster and may have been the first sign of trouble. A lot of those cars ended up needing new engines, which could have been avoided had the noise and roughness been engineered out before the first model year. After Saturn became just another venue for marketing unreliable, rushed-into-production corporate clones, its days were numbered.

@williamegler8771

5 жыл бұрын

I have owned several L series cars and they have all been extremely reliable. I actually bought my first LW300 because of its European driving dynamics and Opel design characteristics. Also owned 3 Saturn Astras and now I drive a Buick Regal Tour X because it is basically a Opel.

My saturn ion keeps on trucking. It's nothing exceptional, but it's far from garbage. 6/10 for me. Its comparable to a Toyota Corolla. It runs and drives, and does so for a long time

Looking at the original Saturn from the early 90s, the SL2 was in the game! My very first car was a 1993 teal green Saturn SL2 with the aero-body styling. I was a unique design that proved to be very successful for the company. Only personal gripe I had with the car was that the same key could unlock and also start the ignitions! I had a friend would had a 1994 SL1 who lost his keys and my 1993 key started his car. In fact we made a copy of my key so that he could drive his Saturn home! GM was definitely upset with the success Saturn was beginning to have. But instead of thriving off that success and keeping the iron hot, they let the thrill die before they released that horrible looking easter egg 1996 S-series. Though the coupe was better looking, the sedan was the sales driver for the brand. They took way to long to introduce a new model. and by the time they FINALLY brought something out, it was made slightly cheaper with less enthusiasm. Which was a common fail across all the GM brands! Honestly, GM wanted their Chevy Cavalier and Pontiac Sunbird/Sunfire to be the real Corolla/Civic competitor. And Saturn was making that hard for Pontiac/Chevy. So they dimmed the Saturn down to try to push the Pontiac Sunfire as the fun-to-drive model, a spot that the first gen. Saturn S-Series was filling. I believe GM took Saturns money to promote changes within their core brands. look at how the 1993 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme has so much resemblance to the 1st gen Saturn SL2! GM killed Saturn, no differently than how they kill Pontiac. 2 many lack luster models made from the hand-me-downs of the big cousins (Buick & Chevrolet).

I bought a brand new 2002 Saturn SL that lasted me 14 years. Aside from it burning oil, which all Saturns did, it was a decent car AND it was a stick shift. My issue was I didn't really start to take care of it until about 8 years down the road. But I always said that I was gonna drive it til the wheels fell off and I did so no regrets. Finally lost a cylinder so had to junk it. Funny story was that I had worked at Saturn of Augusta GA BEFORE buying the car. My experience working there is what made me want to buy one in the first place.

They always forget about Geo.

My first car is the Saturn Sky.

@CrawfishEnchiladas2002

4 жыл бұрын

Sweet! I still have my first car, the silver 2002 Saturn L-200. She was originally my mom's car. I inherited it when she passed away. I'm 35 now, and I've been driving that Saturn for 16 years now. She's still going strong at almost 18 yrs. old with 112,500 miles. That's the only car that I've ever owned.💖💖💖

My wife bought a 1996 sc2 new , we still have it! 265000 miles , best car ever, My 2000 silverado is a piece of shit, lost a wheel at 65mph, brakes went out 3 times , new fuel and brake lines ,98k . Please bring back saturn this time build trucks

freaking union politics. has to screw everything

@thedriza297

7 жыл бұрын

Daniel Pettis yup....we all remember the 75.00 an hour packages the line workers were getting. At least thats what they were acused of making when GM took the bailout loan from uncle sam.

@smallstudiodesign

3 жыл бұрын

You sure didn’t listen, nor get the narrative ... you’re just wrong & stuck in your bias.

@danpettis1675

3 жыл бұрын

@@smallstudiodesign I was in the UAW for 21 years . I experienced the BS first hand ..

Take good care of it. They are good vehicles

@CrawfishEnchiladas2002

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!! My 2002 Saturn L-200 is in excellent shape for it's age! I'm 35 years old, and I've been driving that Saturn for 16 years. It was originally my mom's car. My Saturn L-200 has 112,500 miles on her and she is tough as hell and still going strong at almost 18 years old!!😍😎💯💯

I have two ions and two cobalt's. The ions are better cars all around. Even though there related. The bottom and the floor inside was painted better so they don't rust as bad. The plastic body looks good until it dies. These things alone make it get 100,000 miles over a cobalt. I've many ions with 350000 miles on.

Saturn waited too long to come out with a new vehicle. Gm stepped in too late with the vehicles they wanted to sell as saturns which destroyed the brand and what it stood for. They simply didn’t give the customers what they wanted so they failed. If they came out with new models in the 90’s then they would have kept the momentum going. You can’t make the same vehicle for ten years and think people don’t want something new. Gm gave Saturn new cars that were no where near the reliably that saturns were. I think gm should have sold Saturn long ago to a different company or group of investors and they would have been just fine. So the short answer? Yeah gm ruined Saturn. It’s too bad because Saturn was a fantastic place to work.

We owned a 2000 Gold 4 door sadan and a 2004 Ion (silver). Loved them cars. Someone hit me and my kids were in the back while I was driving my gold Saturn. it pushed the engine up into the firewall.. would of cost to much to fix so the Insurance company effed me over what it was worth or take me to court. I should of went to court. 6k for a car I think I paid 1600k plus dock fees.

Seems that the GM low quality lives on because of the profit now mentality instead of sticking with what worked initially at the start. Now days GM reliability in all their product lines show there is no pride in making their products. They look good the first 60k miles then they start to fall apart and GM deserves themselves same fate for how they make things. Should have never bailed any car company out back when they did.

The V-6 engine in the L-Series was made by Vauxhall Motors, Ellesmere Port, England.

@scottjohnson5415

3 жыл бұрын

It was also used in the first edition of the Saturn VUE.

GM killed Saturn because their better business structure , made GM’s chaotic structure look bad.

my famliy rides around an a 2005 saturn relay and its a great van.So if saturn was doing great why jusst all this sudden get rid of saturn

@DS-wo8wr

3 жыл бұрын

That vehicle wasn’t a Saturn. It was a re-badges Chevy Uplander...

Worked for Saturn of Ellicott city I was sent for training down to Spring Hill I watched the second generation SC2 I had to sign an agreement that I couldn’t say anything about it

GM ruined them with badge engineering and so many parts bin cars like the Vue,Outlook,Relay,Aura,Ion in the 90s Saturn was very reliable but by the mid to late 2000s their cars like vue,outlook and aura with the 3.6 v6 had so many issues and shared engines and transmissions with so many cars.Also the other brands of GM got jealous of saturn's special individual treatment and saturn owners were proud in the 90s to own them but by the time saturn made their last car they lost all originality.

They they shouldn’t have stopped making Saturns they were affordable cheap

What happened too Saturn??? I am right here. XD

My Saturn is 2001 SC2 manual trans

@peanutrabbit5847

6 жыл бұрын

FRANK SPARWASSER mines auto.....sc2 I love it

Come back saturn it's 2021

Also GM only cared about profit and did not find saturn by 2007 as profitable as chevy,GMC,buick,and cadillac.

How much profit did it earn?

Fucking tragic. My L Series was stolen, and there will never be a new one. EDIT: It wasn't the best car, but I liked it.

I owned a couple Saturns and they were great. GM really fucked up on this one. I think it would have survived as a model under Oldsmobile.

@Boredoutofmywits

2 жыл бұрын

The Saturn was originally planned to be sold by Chevrolet. The early prototypes even looked like a shrunken Chevy Cavalier. The whole concept of a completely separate division and dealer network (lunacy and a short con) came later in the Saturn’s protracted eight-year development.

Saturn is not on point as far as electronics but a well built vehicle none the less. They are though vehicles

Too much crying GM got fed up.

@thedriza297

7 жыл бұрын

C D BUILD UNION LIVE BETTER THE HELLS A MATTER WITH YOU?

They did not let saturn develop more cars after the L series came out.

I own a 08 Aura

Have a 2008 Saturn vue nothing but problems all electronic

@sabresergal8989

5 жыл бұрын

Jeremy Orr blame Opel then

@bobgspinball

5 жыл бұрын

That 2008 was not built in Spring Hill.

@peanutbutterisfu

5 жыл бұрын

That’s because that really wasn’t a Saturn. That was gm’s fault. I was a Saturn technician and the 2008 vue was a piece of crap. Tons of those vues had major problems when they were brand new before anyone even bought them. Gm ruined that company along with Saturn waiting too long to come out with new vehicles in the 90’s

So General Motors ruins everything

Noooooooooo!

Umm planned agreement dump? all those relocated GM workers forced to work at Spring Hill were the ones who voted to dump it.

I went to a Saturn showroom, sat in the car, took one for a test drive. It was underwhelming. It was like GM's other small cars -- relatively cramped, rough engine character. It did not compare well with Hondas and Toyotas of the period. It was heavily hyped to loyal GM repeat buyers, who already had low expectations. But it didn't convince people who had experience the better quality and engineering of the Japanese competing models. There always has been and always will be people who buy GM, Ford, and Chrysler products because they believe it is their patriotic duty. That's what GM was counting on. There just weren't enough of them.

@DaveGreg100

3 жыл бұрын

No, a vast number of people had no idea Saturn was a GM product and never would have purchased one if they had known.. This was well reported at the time. They would have purchased an import but didn't because the Saturn was made in the US and, for the first year or two was competitive. Then, like so many of GM's cars, it was left to rot with a cosmetic restyling. Development of the 95 J Body Cavalier and Sunfire actually included study of Saturn's methods. By 95 and after Roger Smith retired GM was holding off pouring more money into Saturn because it's other divisions were being starved of development money. Their main selling points were the polymer panels which wouldn't rust and ding and the no haggle pricing as well as the simplicity of build and service and lack of dealer techniques that would antagonize a buyer.

Well, I tell you I believe it was jealousy from UAW and upper management. Te Saturn fokes did things a different way, they had been allowed to build better products on the line and get a bonus for doing so. This might sound counterintuitive that that the UAW would want to ruin that but the old ways are hard to change for most. The people who liked not having a lot of skin in the game didn't like this new system. Forced them to work, make decisions that they would be accountable for. They're the types of just wanting to punch tbe clock. The Saturn way was too different to them. Add to it GM was losing billions.. The "New GM" would have been better off looking back at Saturn and take some serious lessons.

@Boredoutofmywits

2 жыл бұрын

Creating a new brand (As if they didn't have enough of them) with GM money (Credit, but anyway, billions and billions) to buid basically a single car (Or ending up cannibalizing the old brands, one or the other), was absurd and bond to fail. That's the bottom line.

I'm selling mine 2006

G.M. will continue to lose their shirt to Toyota & Honda. They will never build a better car. Just reality 😐

@PontiacFan68

3 жыл бұрын

Because GM loves China

Bottom line there is no need for a Union this day and age. All they accomplish is getting most employees laid off.

Saturn NEVER made money, THE END.

Rode like go carts and rattled . I never got the hype .

The SC2 was a good looking car. But the SL2 especially before 2000 was an ugly car. It had innovative features such as polymer side panels - and from an engineering point of view everything was easy to access and inexpensive. But that didn't make up for the ugliness. The L-Series, while not ugly - was at best in the middle of the pack aesthetically. Ah, if you compare the interior and ride of a 2000 Honda insight and a 2000 SL2. The Honda seems way more advanced. So I think the product design is what killed Saturn. I don't know who designs the cars - I guess Saturn did in the early years and in the mid 2000s it was GM because they wanted all the parts on their cars to be the same - but the designed killed saturn - not the union.

@mj1234321

7 жыл бұрын

Agree, the SL1/SL2 was a little homely looking, and definitely looks dated today. The coupes were and are still sharp looking cars! By 2000, the S Series platform was getting long in the tooth, but it was quite competitive and even had some class leading features when it was introduced in the early 90s. The problem was that Saturn was starved of funds for product updates and expansion, and then ultimately given half hearted support from GM that resulted in uncompetitive cars like the L Series and ION, before GM just gave up on even trying to maintain any brand identity and started giving Saturn standard rebadged GM stuff. By the time of the GM bankruptcy, Saturn was an obvious division to cut as it no longer had anything unique to offer.

@DaveGreg100

3 жыл бұрын

Comparing a Honda Insight to a Saturn SL2 is absurd. The comparison should be between a 2000 Civic and a 2000 S Series. Straw man argument. Why not compare an S Series with an Avalon? Or an Acura RL ? /sarc.

2010

I never considered buying a Saturn because I always thought they were butt-ugly and looked like they cost $3 to make.

GM should have named Saturn ," PLUTO " . As Saturn car was an almost car as Pluto is an almost planet. The cars were junk from day one and everyone knew it.

@PontiacFan68

3 жыл бұрын

Back in the early 90s saturn made great cars but by the late 90s and early 2000s GM can't take it that they couldn't make a profit so GM management decided to make the VUE and vehicles like the VUE and the saturn brand went to sh!t and so when 2008 chapter 11 day came they gave saturn the boot because they couldn't make money off the brand

low quality cars.

@PontiacFan68

3 жыл бұрын

Actully GM had great qaulity Saturn's in the early 90s but because GM was not making a profit from the brand and so in the late 90s early 2000s the GM management put the saturn VUE and vehicles bad like the VUE in production on purpose to get money on fixing them also making a bad reputation to saturn than when 2008 came and bankruptcy happend tgey kicked saturn out on purpose so they can make a profit because they are Greedy Motors