What GenZs Think Of Software Engineering

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  • @UrsaFrank
    @UrsaFrank10 күн бұрын

    A survey featuring only 40ish people from around the world, from completely different cultures, with completely different backgrounds is quite frankely impossible for me to trust as a reprisentation of an entire generation of people. You would need thousands of respondents MINIMUM for me to even start to take this seriously

  • @CottidaeSEA

    @CottidaeSEA

    10 күн бұрын

    In order to get a good idea you'd need at least a thousand from each represented country, because the risk of statistical error is just too great. You'd also get a lot more insight into what the opinion is in different countries which would also give a more clear picture of the situation. If one country overwhelmingly responds negatively it can skew everything and you might make the wrong conclusion as a result, because that is likely to be a country-related issue and not actually the subject at hand. For the sake of learning it would also reveal another subject to look into, why one country would have that negative opinion. There's so much to learn from statistics if used correctly, so it's sad when it's not.

  • @alexthekunz

    @alexthekunz

    10 күн бұрын

    Yeah, this is definitely not a definitive answer about what a generation thinks. But no survey would be. It's impossible to get a complete understanding without perfect sampling and perfect response rates, both impossible at this scale. Having a sample of thousands would probably just give false confidence in your results (aka high statistical power), when that sample is unlikely to be representative of every potential respondent out there. So for a survey as informal as this one, the small sample size should be fine. Just take it with a grain of salt.

  • @skipnik

    @skipnik

    10 күн бұрын

    @@CottidaeSEA prime could probably make such survey

  • @TapetBart

    @TapetBart

    10 күн бұрын

    ​@@CottidaeSEA a few hundred from each country should be enough to get a representative sample (although more for countries with larger amounts of programmers)

  • @TapetBart

    @TapetBart

    10 күн бұрын

    ​@@skipnikno. You can't be sure that his audience represents the general population of gen z programmers

  • @andrewclarke8163
    @andrewclarke816310 күн бұрын

    Here's what I want out of docs when looking at a new project: - Tell my what your tech stack is, and what each piece does (high level) - Show me the high-level structure - Tell me where the code's entry point is if it's not obvious. - Show me how I can get it running locally if possible. I can usually figure out the rest from there, but I *really* don't want to waste time figuring out those parts.

  • @SimonLacey-MySleekDesigns

    @SimonLacey-MySleekDesigns

    5 күн бұрын

    That should be the case at every job. I worked for a company a few years ago where the dev guy was a complete tool. He wouldn't show me how the stack worked at all. He got let go.

  • @AnonymousAccount514
    @AnonymousAccount51410 күн бұрын

    A nerd Is a nerd, regardless when they were born

  • @natescode

    @natescode

    10 күн бұрын

    Amen 🤓

  • @NTbooze

    @NTbooze

    9 күн бұрын

    🤓👆 he's right you know

  • @DylanMatthewTurner

    @DylanMatthewTurner

    7 күн бұрын

    And a terminal is a terminal, that's what I say

  • @Sturdy_Penguin
    @Sturdy_Penguin10 күн бұрын

    Hey Prime! I'm one of those bootcamp schmucks with 20k in debt knife-fighting former Amazon employees for entry level positions and wanted to say thanks for your videos cheering me up and getting my mind back into coding! Thanks to you, I'm learning C and taking Harvard's CS50 course to actually know what a register is and already getting linker error migraines so I'm not just a useless web dev drone and actually having fun for the first time in months! Once I can appreciate C-wizardry I'm picking up GoLang and planning out some projects while sending out my ATS-optimized CV to anyone with a pulse and selling my soul on LinkedIn.

  • @happygofishing
    @happygofishing10 күн бұрын

    Archlinux is bussin fr fr no cap.

  • @shroomer3867

    @shroomer3867

    10 күн бұрын

    Based

  • @kennyfully88

    @kennyfully88

    10 күн бұрын

    Sometimes losers like myself enjoy Debian and NVChad. It's enough to make me feel okay. Coming from a Flutter and WebDev who used to use VSCode and IntelliJ on a MacBook.

  • @derek123wil0

    @derek123wil0

    10 күн бұрын

    ​@@kennyfully88ubuntu unironically based

  • @coolbugfacts1234

    @coolbugfacts1234

    10 күн бұрын

    linux is like if they rewrote solaris or BSD except made every feature complete shit

  • @JohnDoe-np7do

    @JohnDoe-np7do

    10 күн бұрын

    ​@@coolbugfacts1234at least it aint freeBSD 🤷‍♂️

  • @tanner0397
    @tanner03979 күн бұрын

    I'm a Gen Z data platform engineer that's been building a large data lakehouse for the last 5 years. My largest frustration at my organization is the clear lack of requirements from product and management. I've had to design our entire architecture from scratch with no requirements after begging for them and getting nothing. Then after things are deployed, products comes and cries that it doesn't meet our customer expectations and we need to refactor. Having to redo work constantly from poor requirements makes me want to rip my hair out, and had driven me to extreme burnout to meet the deadlines. I always question if I'm in the right industry, everyone I've talked to makes it seem like this is just a continuous problem everywhere.

  • @ob4796

    @ob4796

    4 күн бұрын

    Are you me? Yes that is the industry :) Some people say the term "requirements" is inherently misleading because most PM's don't have the faintest idea of what is required, so at best you have to frame things as "needs" and those are often only exposed after you ship the wrong thing

  • @PadillaJosh

    @PadillaJosh

    2 күн бұрын

    Been coding for about 14yrs now been doing it professionally for close to 11yrs. I would say, you are never going to have the exact requirements for anything, and that its good that you voice your concerns upfront. As crappy as the situation is, take a step back and look at the tremendous amount of insight and experience you have gained. Insight, experience and understanding that you will take to your next role. Don't give up keep trucking, no job is perfect no situation is ever really a straight line. Best thing I've learned after all these years is don't beat your self up don't over stress. If things get too bad, all that experience you have gained from this position will help you in landing your next big role.

  • @dominikvonlavante6113
    @dominikvonlavante61139 күн бұрын

    In my +20 years of working software engineering, I have had hit and miss with team leaders and CTOs, but with only one exception, middle management has been filled with utterly terrible toxic persons who have mastered the 48 laws of power. And they thoroughly enjoy flexing that power muscle.

  • @OzzyTheGiant

    @OzzyTheGiant

    6 күн бұрын

    If AI ever becomes as "good" as people hype it up to be, it's more than likely gonna replace THOSE people, not the low end devs

  • @peteromano9356

    @peteromano9356

    4 күн бұрын

    Exact same experience here. Applies to all office culture/jobs too. I Think these are also the "I had 16 meetings yesterday" :pats themselves on the back: people

  • @snowman4933
    @snowman493310 күн бұрын

    Yeah we going to sleep with this sleep therapy video

  • @italo1aguiar

    @italo1aguiar

    10 күн бұрын

    Saving to listen it on the way to work tomorrow

  • @adcodes

    @adcodes

    10 күн бұрын

    I don't even watch the videos I just listen to them while reading/coding

  • @VillainViran

    @VillainViran

    10 күн бұрын

    Just woke up from it

  • @robinmaibals1193

    @robinmaibals1193

    10 күн бұрын

    When anything longer than two minutes is a coma

  • @gyozanomics

    @gyozanomics

    8 күн бұрын

    OP is what gen Z actually thinks anything more than 2 minutes yap yap yap

  • @schtormm
    @schtormm10 күн бұрын

    damn, Prime out here making longer videos than most of the podcasts I listen to

  • @AnnasVirtual
    @AnnasVirtual10 күн бұрын

    2 hours???

  • @trubessinum

    @trubessinum

    10 күн бұрын

    Better spend that time on something actually useful rather than listening to rants of other people. Most of it is repetitive anyway and provides no new insight.

  • @RocketRift

    @RocketRift

    10 күн бұрын

    yea can you read

  • @Zzznmop

    @Zzznmop

    10 күн бұрын

    He is asmongold with hair

  • @tothespace2122

    @tothespace2122

    10 күн бұрын

    @@trubessinum I actually quite enjoy these long form videos where I get to see someone think without any preplaned script. You get to see how they think in the moment and learn about the industry and their experiences from someone that has been through stuff. It's almost like having a mentor. Also it's refreshing to see long form content in the sea of short form pointless, attention grabbing content that only makes you stimulated without any deep thinking. If you have some boring task to do this seems like pretty good video to play in the background.

  • @y00t00b3r

    @y00t00b3r

    10 күн бұрын

    @@Zzznmop >> He is asmongold with hair lol, who is getting burned worse with this comment?

  • @julia-sg7bn
    @julia-sg7bn10 күн бұрын

    Prime is a great teacher. Thanks for all that ya do. 🔥

  • @j-p-d-e-v
    @j-p-d-e-v10 күн бұрын

    The paid dark mode 😂😂😂

  • @7th_CAV_Trooper
    @7th_CAV_Trooper9 күн бұрын

    I'm a 55 yo GenX'r who never misses a Primeagen drop. None of my GenX colleagues are tech KZread aware.

  • @peterbelanger4094

    @peterbelanger4094

    4 күн бұрын

    I'm 54. technical gen X has always been somewhat of a rare creature. We are the neanderthals of the tech world, our initial online socialization was dialup bbs, and by the time social media was even a thing, many of us were to old to even understand the world of millennials who had replaced them. Anyway, a lot of us still embrace the physical world and only have minimal involvement in any social media. We didn't grow up in chat rooms, we grew up in arcades. And if you were a gen x who ultimately found a career in software engineering, the social circles were always rather small. We were outskirts then, and we are still on the outskirts. Gen X has serious middle child syndrome. A lot of Z's think we're boomers. ....LOL, if they really knew how X felt about boomers, don't get me started.

  • @7th_CAV_Trooper

    @7th_CAV_Trooper

    4 күн бұрын

    @@peterbelanger4094 to Gen z, anyone obey 30 is a boomer. Lol.

  • @denovo3949
    @denovo394910 күн бұрын

    We see Prime is Killing it as a professional streamer. 🔥Love seeing people succeed. Very nice ;)

  • @andrewclarke8163
    @andrewclarke816310 күн бұрын

    "It's always a younger engineer trying to push for better docs" aligns *perfectly* with my personal experience at work. Can't speak to how it is elsewhere though.

  • @younghentaii1772

    @younghentaii1772

    8 күн бұрын

    That’s like every job, that’s the real reason younger people leave jobs

  • @btd6vids

    @btd6vids

    7 күн бұрын

    The senior engineers don't push for it because they've tried and failed and given up already. What was said in the video is pretty much true, docs get out of date immediately. It's good to push for process improvements and to try to make things better. But you also have to realize that sometimes the idealized versions of your processes just won't work. Even if the outcome would be beneficial, if the engineers don't want to do it and don't like doing it, it's hard to gain traction. Like, let's say for the docs example, maybe you think you can get this to work if you set a standard that any feature or infrastructure changes to Service X require updating your docs for new hires. That sounds great, but what might happen is the engineers are on top of all that for a few months and then interest drops off. Then you're back where you started. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try - you should. But only a few people are motivated to keep trying that stuff 5 years down the line, and that's why you may not see senior engineers pushing for process improvements as much.

  • @gsgregory2022
    @gsgregory202210 күн бұрын

    Lol at the comment about about conversations being about family, kids and houses. Sure some of the chats I have at work about about house/family/adulting things. But I've sat on deployment calls where we chatted about diablo, or had calls turn into chats on star wars movies vs comics, or just personally interesting tech topics.

  • @iXenox
    @iXenox10 күн бұрын

    "Work with purpose" probably means something like doing work not because someone decided you will, but rather because it is necessary. IMO it happens too often that someone makes stupid unreasonable decisions that they don't (or better yet can't) explain. It is really unfulfilling to do meaningless labor that cannot even be rationalized. So it's probably not that they want purpose as much as they want to avoid meaningless work.

  • @The_RoboDoc

    @The_RoboDoc

    9 күн бұрын

    I agree with this. I think he misunderstood what was meant by "work with purpose." Not some grand purpose in life etc. But that the work being done has a point and reason to be done. Instead of doing some random busy work that your boss assigned to you because they couldn't come up with anything else for you to actually do, and they can't have an employee doing nothing.

  • @mihainita5325
    @mihainita53259 күн бұрын

    I worked at Netflix for 2 years, 13 years ago. Same (lack) of introduction/orientation back then. Nice to know nothing changed ;-)

  • @jesustyronechrist2330
    @jesustyronechrist233010 күн бұрын

    Probably one massive part of GenZ: Very few want to be The Primegen. Most don't want to live and breathe programming. They just want a job where they can do interesting stuff and then come home and do NOTHING like that. I personally like that too. I come home, I do not touch a damn terminal, no IDE, no script file, nothing. I keep home and work separated completely so I can switch and nothing bleeds into the other. I don't care about the "never work a day in your life" bull as that just leads to burnout on the thing you love.

  • @jefferymuter4659

    @jefferymuter4659

    10 күн бұрын

    I am curious, based on the perspective you give, what you think I should do when I actually do programming for work and my hobby? Seems like you'd recommend me doing something totally different. But for me, you'd be killing me. Id be miserable only programming 40hrs a week. You only really do 10-20 decent hours of programming during the work week. And you don't get the chance to build something fascinating and beautiful. Just doing work tasks. Of course I'd never listen to you. But I think both sides of this argument need to be more open to the other. You would be miserable living my way (programming an extra 20-30 hours a week after work), and id be miserable living your ideal. The world and culture must be accepting of both. I think it is. But its also completely natural for employers, looking to find the best value programmers, to prize the programmers who grind harder than others. Were all just people trying to live free or die fighting for it.

  • @ianjcv

    @ianjcv

    10 күн бұрын

    That's more of a personal difference rather than a generational one lmao

  • @alpotato6531

    @alpotato6531

    9 күн бұрын

    @@ianjcv 100%. All of this GenZ thinks bs just feels like dumb rage bait.

  • @assassinduke1

    @assassinduke1

    9 күн бұрын

    I work 40h/week, study for university and work on personal projects, all in programming and there is no burnout in sight. You don't get burnout from working more

  • @Dipj01

    @Dipj01

    9 күн бұрын

    ​@@assassinduke1good for you. Happy slaving

  • @TheExileFox
    @TheExileFox9 күн бұрын

    Regarding docs: i hate it when the only docs that exist are doxygen - because the doxygen docs are often lazy, minimal and generally less helpful than straight-up reading the source code directly. Also doxygen sucks because dark reader and etc struggle with it at best and usually do not work at because of bad styling choices.

  • @enginerdy
    @enginerdy10 күн бұрын

    7:00 “desire not to be underestimated” = “desire to be respected”

  • @One-qb6yv
    @One-qb6yv9 күн бұрын

    i was just really wondering .. how healthy my relationship is with growth, hard work, achieving more, and being able to give more.. ive always been obsessed with it.. while i live in a medium sized city in a small Balkan country.. culture where LITTERALY 99% of people i know are coasting.. i had 2 years of coasting couse of mental health issues.. and i was constantly beating myself up.. it was burning me inside.. the talk we had about coasting helped me realise its Ok... ty Prime!

  • @Nerdimo
    @Nerdimo10 күн бұрын

    On this 1:00:56 . I work at a company with a flat organizational hierarchy, and I agree it’s easier to talk to those who are more senior (sometimes it’s hard to even tell they’re senior because they’re younger) and engage in environments that typical organization hierarchies wouldn’t allow. This is one anecdote, but i believe it helps the company progress because engineers don’t shy away from learning opportunities because someone is senior.

  • @ArturCzajka
    @ArturCzajka3 күн бұрын

    1:16:55 I worked in a project in which the documentation was a required piece of the product. As in - client required to have documentation in order to integrate with the product properly. Having said that, the product was a piece in a workflow defined in a public spec. So out documentation was a mix of repeating parts of the spec with added sprinkles of implementation details, product-specific behaviors, and custom functions, that were not specified by the base document, but still useful.

  • @jonfe.darontos
    @jonfe.darontos10 күн бұрын

    When do you plan on forking Falcor and adding schema and typegen bindings? The cache management and request wire size seem so much better than GraphQL.

  • @PCAMY
    @PCAMY3 күн бұрын

    I started to code at maybe 6-7 months ago (I’m turning 21 in October) when I decided to change my major from music to CS. I got very lucky in being able to do that. Still, it all feels hopeless because I’m so behind, and the industry looks very difficult to break into. I’m willing to put in *a lot* of work, but I don’t know if it’ll ever pay off. I originally wanted to do EE, but my college didn’t let me because I wouldn’t graduate in time. There’s just a lot of uncertainty in general. I really appreciate the honest insight into what a software engineer does in their jobs. I would really like to have purpose in my job, but I understand that sometimes that’s unrealistic.

  • @kuhluhOG
    @kuhluhOG10 күн бұрын

    48:11 A lot of universities force you to use at least one functional programming language at this point (which makes sense, they are supposed to teach a broad amount of knowledge about the field at this is part of it).

  • @TheTanglingTreats
    @TheTanglingTreats9 күн бұрын

    I can relate to some of these and why workplace culture is at the top of my considerations when looking out for a job opportunity. I was down with covid and had to take sick leave but nonetheless I was still called up to 'support' the team from home as they had no one else who knew how to do it. It was a really horrible experience

  • @hennny__8850
    @hennny__88507 күн бұрын

    As a young engineer outside of the tech and software development space (although I really enjoy learning how to code and writing shitty python scripts to automate workplace tedium), I really appreciate how this absolute pipeline of wisdom is useful and directly applicable to my own career aspirations. Thanks.

  • @AbhinavGunwant
    @AbhinavGunwant10 күн бұрын

    Why do you leave the first and last character when selecting text?

  • @andythedishwasher1117
    @andythedishwasher111710 күн бұрын

    I'm with you on the separation of back and front. They're separate thought paradigms that need a lingua franca like json or something else that does its job, but they don't seem to like trying to be the same thing.

  • @Akronymus_

    @Akronymus_

    10 күн бұрын

    I am on the side of: Make the frontend as simple as reasonable. You don't need to render html with JS. Just serve the html directly.

  • @lazymass

    @lazymass

    10 күн бұрын

    ​@@Akronymus_ rendering whole HTML is slow and inefficient, both on server and on client. So... No.

  • @civilroman

    @civilroman

    10 күн бұрын

    ​@@Akronymus_ as much as I hate the current front-end JS ecosystem, "just serve HTML directly" becomes incredibly inefficient and complicated with anything beyond basic websites. There are a lot of React apps out that have no business being a React app though.

  • @huge_letters

    @huge_letters

    10 күн бұрын

    wdym "im with you"? Prime is very pro-htmx which is pretty much anti-SoC

  • @huge_letters

    @huge_letters

    10 күн бұрын

    @@lazymass most of you server time is not spent parsing strings - whether you serve json which client turns into a view or you serve html with the view itself will not matter much for performance. string interpolation is not a bottleneck

  • @bobwilkinsonguitar6142
    @bobwilkinsonguitar614210 күн бұрын

    Prime pumping out a 2 hr video😲

  • @yousafwazir286
    @yousafwazir28610 күн бұрын

    Put this on to go to sleep, thanks.

  • @TurtleKwitty
    @TurtleKwitty9 күн бұрын

    "Try starting you only need to get that first 5 minutes" You're not wrong but also, at least for me, I absolutely need a side project in a entirely different style than my day job. When I was doing low level c++ for payment machines my side project was doing a graphics framework for lil game stuff in a very high level way in js. Now that my day job is js webapp tooling my side project is prog lang in ocaml to offset all the issues with shitty typing in ts and hopefully eventually startusing my own lang for side projects haha Making it something with a totally different vibe helps hobby projects not feel like doing more work despite being transferable skills

  • @TenFeetDown
    @TenFeetDown9 күн бұрын

    slam dunk, "social media plays more of a role in what is stereotype..."

  • @robinheyer708
    @robinheyer7089 күн бұрын

    I re-installed my IDE about a month ago. Had all my extensions installed except Codeium and since that installation is a bit longer I decided to leave it until after I finished writing the code I was working on. Next time I checked my watch was four hours later. It occurred to me that I hadn't been in the zone since a few weeks after getting a copilot installed. I decided to just forget about it.

  • @FujiLivz
    @FujiLivz9 күн бұрын

    The "Purpose" can be as simple as having a vision that aligns well with the company owner.

  • @mihainita5325
    @mihainita53259 күн бұрын

    About adopting new technology: one needs to think about the further. Imagine a system with several components (as they often are), written in 5 programming languages, 9 frameworks, 7 build systems. Some of them unsupported because the "cool new stuff" didn't get much adoption. Who's going to support that when the new guy pushing for new tech moved to a different project / company?

  • @xXMockapapellaXx
    @xXMockapapellaXx9 күн бұрын

    Please do more long ones like this. I love it. Would have listened/watched you read the entire article, even if the video ended up being 5+ hours. It's really nice as a podcast

  • @Doomsdayparade
    @Doomsdayparade10 күн бұрын

    Pretty soon these videos will rival Mauler's in length.

  • @FlaviusAspra
    @FlaviusAspra10 күн бұрын

    I'm proud of you, you're getting better at reading!

  • @kennyfully88

    @kennyfully88

    10 күн бұрын

    You do realize he has dyslexia? (Just saying just in case you didn't know).

  • @rileyfletch

    @rileyfletch

    10 күн бұрын

    @@kennyfully88 yes

  • @FlaviusAspra

    @FlaviusAspra

    9 күн бұрын

    @@kennyfully88 yes!

  • @timedebtor
    @timedebtor10 күн бұрын

    I think that work with purpose is probably a misinterpretation from avoiding work against values. The values of the market lag quite a bit behind the values of the youth. You don't need to have complete purpose from your work, but if your values directly conflict with the type of work that is available it is demoralizing. The diversity of values people carry has been increasing in the information age. Before the information age college was typically the first opportunity to explore a value system that wasn't given to you, now it is a persistent activity of life.

  • @lucaxtshotting2378
    @lucaxtshotting23787 күн бұрын

    I had a conversation with my superior yesterday. It was very frustating to understand that my work doesnt matter thqt much. And because of that my skills dont either, and without that I can negotiate my conditions. Anyone could do my work or not but it doesnt matter, even if i can do much more

  • @zapoyou2
    @zapoyou28 күн бұрын

    You need to make your own extensive survey prime.

  • @SmartK8
    @SmartK88 күн бұрын

    My advice for young programmers is to look at their few year old code, and wonder at how far you moved on. Now imagine this happens your whole career. That should give you an estimate of how much you probably still don't know. Seeing your old code is the best way to humble yourself.

  • @patrickhollywood93
    @patrickhollywood9310 күн бұрын

    The purpose is gained by living your life in service to others. Leaving this place better than when you got here.

  • @gsgregory2022
    @gsgregory202210 күн бұрын

    It's funny. I see a lot of things attributed to one generation or the next when really it seems to be personalities. I know plenty of people who started their tech careers at an age younger then me who have stalled out because they don't learn anything new. I know plenty of people older than me who keep learning new things and keep progressing. I think it gets easier to fall into a rut when you are older but some of these traits are just the way some people are.

  • @gsgregory2022
    @gsgregory202210 күн бұрын

    When it comes to things like IDE settings ect. One thing I think more people understand is that you should understand WHY people like it that way, be it older or younger and then take the pieces you like about it and make it yours. That's what I did in welding, and it's what I've done in programming. You should never blindly just do what others have told you, but you should also never blindly not do it. Learn why they do it and then once you understand the purpose tweak it to fit your needs.

  • @actually_it_is_rocket_science
    @actually_it_is_rocket_science10 күн бұрын

    Been programming since 7 when I found a windows 95 laptop in the trash. I surprise the crap out of people when I'm the go-to for principle engineers for everything from scripting to discussing undefined behavior in c.

  • @Alex-cx7tv
    @Alex-cx7tv10 күн бұрын

    I vibe with the whole GenZ can tell when a business is in trouble. A coworker of mine was surprised I basically knew my ass was grass a week before it happened and essentially every sign would indicate I shouldn’t have been.

  • @_nickthered
    @_nickthered9 күн бұрын

    Hot tip try to find companies that specifically do jot prioritize profits. They can exist just not many people start companies for other purposes.

  • @jefferymuter4659
    @jefferymuter465910 күн бұрын

    I would wither and die if i could only program 40 hours a week. In my early 20s, id wither and die if you made me work 40 hours a week. Then i did. And i hated, and resented it for a long time. Then i discovered programming. Thought id be able to freelance 20 hours a week and play videogames in my off time. Then i fell in love with programming. I felt more joy in completing something cool than winning a round. So, slowly, i just became someone who loves to program at work, and at home. Im just doing what i love day and night. Thats all i see.

  • @landonyarrington7979
    @landonyarrington79795 күн бұрын

    Pensions incentivized loyalty -- switching from pension to 401k put risk/responsibility onto the employee and disincentivized employee loyalty.

  • @TatharNuar
    @TatharNuar9 күн бұрын

    1:17:00 You know what's constantly changing and has good docs? Arch.

  • @gnack420
    @gnack4204 күн бұрын

    My reading of "work with purpose" is "work with intent" i.e. put effort into what you do, and care about doing your job well, hold yourself to a high standard. I don't think they're talking about purpose in the sense of finding a "purpose in life".

  • @trubessinum
    @trubessinum10 күн бұрын

    Also what's up with selecting phrases from second-to-last to second character?

  • @DonaldTamMisterDee

    @DonaldTamMisterDee

    9 күн бұрын

    He's always been like that haha

  • @unusedTV
    @unusedTV9 күн бұрын

    Effort is a vector, it has both magnitude and direction. Put your effort where it counts.

  • @TurtleKwitty
    @TurtleKwitty9 күн бұрын

    Every other time you only ever mentioned Rggie being a reliable pacer so always though it would be an olympic speed walker but today you mentioned something about winning championships so looked it up and was surprised it was basketball hahah I have absolutely no clue what the hell pacer is supposed to mean in that context XD

  • @exotic-gem
    @exotic-gem10 күн бұрын

    On the contrary, the internet had made us way more used to saying our mind, I think ! But tact is useful, sometimes…

  • @kyjo72682
    @kyjo7268210 күн бұрын

    54:28 No, I already tried this. It doesn't work. At least not for me. Maybe it's my personality type or my projects are too big but when I get into on something I tend to really focus on it and then I don't want to switch back. Either I do one thing or the other. Once I start switching back and forth I get bad results on both sides. I've been pushing for the 1 L&D day per week for many years now, unsuccessfully. We have 1 per quarter now which is better than nothing, I guess, but it's nowhere near enough. And after certain point not even 1 day per week is enough to catch up, as the learning backlog keeps growing.

  • @jimmahgee

    @jimmahgee

    10 күн бұрын

    I get 3 hours per two weeks. My manager says it’s great, especially for a smaller company. But as far as I’m concerned it’s not good enough for the ‘learning’ part of ‘learning and development’. Barely enough time to focus, and not enough frequency to reinforce and consolidate new ideas.

  • @ragsdale9
    @ragsdale99 күн бұрын

    I dont practice repair outside my job because I want to be a programmer not a tech. So I'm practicing programming and devops outside my job to push me into a position anywhere in the dev chain. It doesn't feel fair, its not as fun as it seems for a lot of people but im doing it.

  • @gamereactz
    @gamereactz10 күн бұрын

    Save for later sorry for the early drop off but ill be back! 1990s baby

  • @rationalagent6927
    @rationalagent692710 күн бұрын

    That pirate ship was sweet.

  • @charlesd4572
    @charlesd457210 күн бұрын

    Thanks for remembering gen-X.

  • @attention8312
    @attention83129 күн бұрын

    This is the content I needed studying and listening to this for 2 hours no need to swap primagen videos clap clap also 2000+ still throw eggs at peoples houses

  • @SuragoJones
    @SuragoJones10 күн бұрын

    Wish i had the Pirate Lego Ship as a kid

  • @lishhhhmm
    @lishhhhmm9 күн бұрын

    Full stream on video? xd

  • @outwithrealitytoo
    @outwithrealitytoo10 күн бұрын

    I've spent a lot of time down the pub with the apprentices and my son; and I can tell you this article is fairly close to the truth. Gen-X can remember being younger; Gen Z cannot remember being older. Aside from the cultural references people are pretty much the same. My father was a software engineering manager - I heard him lamenting doing annual appraisals with the young'uns (back in the early 80s) and I can tell you that batch were just the same too.

  • @Tekapeel
    @Tekapeel9 күн бұрын

    I NEED some detail on the highlighting thing

  • @orionh5535
    @orionh553510 күн бұрын

    2 hour video?! How long is the source material?

  • @mambusskruj

    @mambusskruj

    10 күн бұрын

    15 minutes

  • @mattfiocca2738
    @mattfiocca27389 күн бұрын

    Gen X here... i wonder if all the questions around the "what is all the true self talk?" stems from a generation that has (generally) grown up socializing through a screen vs in person. For us that grew up in the 80s and early 90s, all of our human-to-human interactions were done 100% in person, IRL... we didn't have as many opportunities filter ourselves in front of others as we were developing. Our "selves" is just one self, wherever we go (generally)

  • @kyle7023
    @kyle70238 күн бұрын

    “Face to face conversation is obsolete.” Rusty Shackleford

  • @StatixCinder
    @StatixCinder10 күн бұрын

    I can find purpose in work, I make a bunch of software to facilitate training for the military, so my hope is that by making good software that maybe I helped keep some troops alive, even though it's an entirely thankless role heh.

  • @owenbeers
    @owenbeers9 күн бұрын

    I like the video right after Prime said "I'm not a spring chicken"

  • @albert21994
    @albert219949 күн бұрын

    "Now its time to turn the table, while the tables are turning on the turn-tables"

  • @Whoislorns
    @Whoislorns10 күн бұрын

    Millennial here. I studied music at a UK conservatoire on a specialist course. I know of 4 people from my year who are now senior devs at large companies. I’m not really sure why that happened but I would guess it’s something to do with being used to repetitive practice.

  • @cfossto

    @cfossto

    10 күн бұрын

    I did the same in Sweden. Now working as senior in SW. It is more lucrative and it is less alone than being a musician. I play my music for fun now, which was not the case when I was playing for money. Lifted my well being to really good levels by switching. In my opinion, music is not a career - it is expression for life. Sure, you can make money but there is very few ways of making it a career. Either you become among 1% of the specialists that can do this or you become either a teacher or a project manager.. All for 5% of the pay of being a programmer.. Now I can fund my own projects. Living the dream.

  • @Whoislorns

    @Whoislorns

    10 күн бұрын

    @@cfossto I was a teacher for a long time in some very rough schools. I learned resilience. I do think it’s a shame that so many people that have such great qualifications in the arts don’t earn much money. I have to say though that I really do not miss teaching in the weekdays and trying to fill my weekends with awful gigs only to continue falling into debt. Music is definitely a career, though. It’s just not as you say a lucrative career, or even a fulfilling one. SE work won’t see people throwing lit cigarettes at you for telling them to put a cigarette out and if anyone pins me up against a wall they’re getting fired 😂 God bless teachers!

  • @MattDog_222
    @MattDog_22210 күн бұрын

    400 and 69k subs POG

  • @ivanheffner2587
    @ivanheffner25879 күн бұрын

    Holy crap. I didn’t realize this was a 2hr long video when I clicked on it. The difference I (GenX) see between “work is my identity” and “I want my work to be meaningful” is I want my work to actually have an impact on the company and / or for the customers. I don’t want to just run reports, fix odd bugs here, tweak a search algorithm there and no one cares. I still have a life and purpose outside of work, but my job isn’t who I am. I just don’t want to spend 1/3 of my waking hours doing mindless, meaningless, soulless drudgery.

  • @johnbruhling8018
    @johnbruhling801810 күн бұрын

    Yeah, the lego sets were always the small ones, friend had the big pirate ship. I did have to Dick Tracy watch and Crossfire.

  • @02052645
    @020526459 күн бұрын

    I had the pirate lego ship too!

  • @Nerdimo
    @Nerdimo10 күн бұрын

    I went to Indiana university in Bloomington, and they taught Haskell for competitive programming

  • @LandonColvig
    @LandonColvig9 күн бұрын

    The pirate Lego ship 😂

  • @MorningNapalm
    @MorningNapalm8 күн бұрын

    Hollywood is giga-not-to-lose. Sequel after damn sequel, mash-ups, re-doing older movies, ...

  • @ragsdale9
    @ragsdale99 күн бұрын

    I think we live in an era of over optimization and its why companies treat people like free labor and its why you can't have good professional relationships in work. Its also why HR exists outside of delegating some management tasks.

  • @Burgo361
    @Burgo3619 күн бұрын

    I'm only part way through but so far it sounds more like a difference of age than generation, I felt the same way when I was a teenager/early 20s, now I just want to learn from the people older than me because I realised my ignorance.

  • @tothespace2122
    @tothespace212210 күн бұрын

    11:44 Was waiting for this moment... I knew you would stop and really think about this one. Anyone having opinions about this and how they feel at their SWE job please share your thoughts.

  • @hazelora
    @hazelora10 күн бұрын

    YOU HAD THE PIRATE LEGO SHIP 😠

  • @Definesleepalt
    @Definesleepalt9 күн бұрын

    holy shit a new primagen movie ? getting out the popcorn

  • @Alex-cx7tv
    @Alex-cx7tv10 күн бұрын

    As gen z, the post covid tech super bubble beginning to pop sucks. Getting laid off to save money sucks

  • @Kanar1e
    @Kanar1e9 күн бұрын

    I think the Identity from Work and Purposeful Work can be different. As one can be seen as a motivator in life (e.g. status) and the other as a motivator in work (why do it if it is pointless).

  • @gustavcoetzee5018
    @gustavcoetzee50189 күн бұрын

    Technics for me. Bikes choppers. Planes. 4x4s. Love it

  • @katanasteel

    @katanasteel

    9 күн бұрын

    Technics for me were too expensive so I could only get the smaller sets

  • @PandaGamersHDNL
    @PandaGamersHDNL9 күн бұрын

    i find luck a very difficult thing to discuss because someone might think it's some power but luck itself is more the precievers observation rather than an actual thing. Take covid for example if you don't like hanging out with people you might consider yourself lucky but if you hate being alone then you might think you have bad luck.

  • @platin2148
    @platin214810 күн бұрын

    Well I'm pretty young but I work in embedded this forms one's character. Most younger guys are going with JS and Frontend/Backend stuff.

  • @echobucket
    @echobucket10 күн бұрын

    When you are young you are shocked by how horrible the work world is. After you've been in it a while you just get used to it and beat down by it, and then you are like "whatever".

  • @telnobynoyator_6183
    @telnobynoyator_61839 күн бұрын

    Prime misunderstanding "work having a purpose" and "work giving you a purpose" is such a classic Prime misunderstanding. I'm pretty sure "work having purpose" here means "work doesn't feel pointless." Pointless work being, for example, that time blizzard QA was instructed to "get ahead of development."

  • @Cahnisama
    @Cahnisama9 күн бұрын

    Wait Zod is out? what is in in validation?

  • @nazarboholii568
    @nazarboholii56810 күн бұрын

    Woah, 2 hours

  • @gsgregory2022
    @gsgregory202210 күн бұрын

    .... Having had a discussion this week with my coworkers about legos and what we had as a kid, I feel personally targeted.

  • @mduvigneaud
    @mduvigneaud9 күн бұрын

    I'm only 11 minutes into the video... Gen X here and flexible schedule is very important to me: I prefer working at night.

  • @JordanHumbertodeSouza
    @JordanHumbertodeSouza9 күн бұрын

    Brazil mentioned!!!

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