If your business cant survive without cheap money or taking advantage of misclassifying labor, your business shouldn't be allowed to exist.

@mr.pavone9719

Жыл бұрын

Cheap money?

@CapitalWorksPro

Жыл бұрын

@@mr.pavone9719 shorthand for cheap to borrow. Low cost to service the debt companies take on.

@lawerancelanham

Жыл бұрын

That's capitalism. Push it as far as you can. When chit hit the fan, then they'll have the $ to weather the storm, and you won't. Then you'll have to succumb to more of the same. Rinse-and-Repeat... now, ask yourself what that timeline looks like.

@alienvomitsex

Жыл бұрын

​@@mr.pavone9719 Rich people borrow money all the time. Often for free or greatly reduced interest compared to working class people. Thanks, corporate lobbyists.

@brettmcclain9289

Жыл бұрын

How about you just stop using businesses that use “unfair” labor.

When you say "they're not really workers," I'm assuming you meant to say "they're not really employees." We're definitely working.

@albenmurcia4716

Жыл бұрын

Thats def what they meant with that line

@vappyreon1176

Жыл бұрын

Legally, they aren't given the same rights as most workers

@Bob-bs9ok

Жыл бұрын

@@vappyreon1176 but they still are workers. They sell their labour and as such they're workers

@shacktime

Жыл бұрын

@@vappyreon1176Legally? Every single gig platform has been flagrantly breaking multiple laws since their inception. They’ve even bragged about it. Look up all the former elected officials and appointees that are executives at these companies. Start with Tony West.

@shacktime

Жыл бұрын

@@vappyreon1176Oh, and legally they have never been treated like independent contractors. Literally ALL the power and control is in hands of the tech companies. 100%.

As someone who is disabled, I'm very grateful for these delivery workers. I hope they one day get the paid and the rights they deserve!

@shacktime

Жыл бұрын

It’s been over a decade and it’s only gotten worse.

@LifeInJambles

Жыл бұрын

I got out of this about a year ago, but I just wanted to say: buddy, we're here for you. It ain't your fault this place is garbage. If I could have a decent life doing it, I'd still be doing it. I love this fuckin work and the people I met doing it.

@maxmotors9497

Жыл бұрын

I was a bike messenger before and during the boom of delivery apps, and the business has definitely gotten worse. It is exploitative, and unless you work for a small local collective with little overhead you won’t make anything worth a living wage for a normal amount of weekly work hours.

@THX1138gl

Жыл бұрын

and health care?

@LifeInJambles

Жыл бұрын

@@THX1138gl I mean look, it was a simple expression of appreciation and well-wishes. It doesn't have to be all-encompassing. If we're really getting into it, let's go after the means of production and fully democratize workforces, etc.... but you really ain't gotta bring up every nuance in order to wish people struggling a little bit of hope.

People fought for years for 40 hour work weeks and weekends off. We all need to keep fighting, no matter how long policymakers and corporations drag their feet.

@nsbd90now

Жыл бұрын

I live in Pittsburgh where people were literally massacred by the Pinkertons for labor rights. It is jaw-dropping to hear anti-Union propaganda from my neighbors who are working Americans that vote Republican against their own interests.

@allykat5899

Жыл бұрын

The problem is that people are working more than 40 hours a week. People often work 20-30 hours more in overtime and in reality you can't even refuse to not work overtime because many states are fire-at-will.

@CaelWhiz

Жыл бұрын

​@@allykat5899 I agree that is also a huge problem

@shaunhall960

Жыл бұрын

Yes!

@EroticInferno

Жыл бұрын

How can we still have the same working conditions of a hundred years ago when NOTHING ELSE is the same??

I’ve always hated Doordash, grubhub, and Uber eats for the way they treat their employees. So anytime I see any of their ads talking about something in a fun happy manner, I cuss them out and am glad I never use their services.

Wage theft is the profit center.

@Praisethesunson

Жыл бұрын

This is the real answer.

The whole restaurant industry should be converted to worker owned cooperatives.

@jasonpreston2703

Жыл бұрын

Every industry

@SOLH-vq3lh

Жыл бұрын

Hear hear!!

@xiaonanw6374

Жыл бұрын

​@@SOLH-vq3lh i hear stupidity 😂

@xiaonanw6374

Жыл бұрын

So take a shuttle situation and make it impossible. U are so awful wanting everyone to starve.

@CapitalWorksPro

Жыл бұрын

@xiaonan W State Farm is owned entirely by its policyholders. Seems to work as a company just fine. Vanguard is owned entirely by the shareholders of its mutual funds (the admiral shares). Works just fine as a company. There is nothing wrong with stakeholder ownership.

If they can’t afford to pay livable wages, it’s a hobby. These corporations need a reality check. Hard.

It happens in Russia too! Workers of Delivery club formed a union and went on several strikes due to unfair salaries and work conditions.

@dannydaw59

Жыл бұрын

Did it work or did desperate workers just take their place?

@rosemarytea3878

Жыл бұрын

@@dannydaw59 they got major media attention and the company had to change some policies. Don't know if anyone got fired. Union and workers are still fighting for their rights

The inevitable result of a society which gleefully segregates human beings into "The Deserving" & "The Disposable."

Unionize ALL jobs, even if you have to network with your local gig workers and form rate floors. Don't let your desperation drive the earning potential down for everyone.

@delpullen730

Жыл бұрын

You can't unionize other companies which is what contractors are.

@theguythatcoment

Жыл бұрын

@@delpullen730 just watch

@xiaonanw6374

Жыл бұрын

Actually that whole business model is not fixable.

@mrgarybusey2052

Жыл бұрын

LMAO and have the unions run by mobsters again? No thank you 😂😂

@Flawtistic

Жыл бұрын

@@mrgarybusey2052 nah, they're already working for the government.

Glad the gig workers are organizing!

I was an "independent contractor" when i worked near full time for a local owned pet sitting service. Workers are getting screwed in all industries. It's rad to see these folks stand in solidarity and force the owner class to change their behavior.

I follow several delivery workers on KZread and part of their income comes from their channel. The thing that hits me hard is how dangerous their job is. We consumers need to support them with laws that protect them if we want this kind of service. I am so tired of companies that exploit us. Time this all ends now!

@RextheRebel

Жыл бұрын

No. No we don't. We need to stop ordering from these BS food delivery apps and let them go bankrupt. They are horrible for consumers, workers, businesses and neighborhoods..

I remember when Domino's Pizza started charging for delivery and said "fee didn't go to driver so please tip."

Hey, I think I went to college with that Josh Wood! He was involved in the outing club and was easily one of the most capable, responsible guys I met there. The guy I knew was there in 2016-2018, but I think I remember him living in NYC. Josh, and every single delivery worker and every single worker, deserves the fruits of their labor and democratic control over their working environment.

2021 was a rough year for me. I was kicked out of my college dorm because of COVID and I couldn't live with my WFH parents/grandparents who had preexisting conditions/immunocompromised. I ended up living in an apartment that cost me $700+/month after splitting it between 4-8 people I was desperate for a job that still left me time to take online classes and that ended up being Instacart. I was making maybe 10/hr and working 10+ hours a day, 6 days a week. After rent, phone, groceries, tuition, and massive gas bills I was barely able to scrape by. After about 9 months I bunt out and dropped out of college. Gig work was a living hell and Ill never do it again.

@cassady7169

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I doubt your rent was $5000 a month and if so, why not live in a cheaper place?

@marcriba7581

Жыл бұрын

@@cassady7169 Go get scammed by some crypto bro Karen.

@ashtoncarriveau3880

Жыл бұрын

@@cassady7169 Our rent arrangements were by room. It was $700 per room + many hidden fees. There were 4 rooms, 1 1/2 bath, and a shared kitchen area. There was often 2 people in each room including my own. This was basically the cheapest it got without having an under the table agreement or living 3 hours outside the city in a literal swamp. Orlando housing is basically fucked, especially during covid, but I don't live there anymore. I was in Orlando so I could still access my school and there were still some jobs. After about a year and a half I left Florida entirely and moved to WV because I had family up there. It's not the best state, but it has easy to access SNAP, free college, and medicare.

@cassady7169

Жыл бұрын

@@ashtoncarriveau3880 That sounds awful, but I’m glad you’re in a better situation now.

The audacity of coming here illegally, and demanding money is ridiculous. Build that wall✊🏿

I also want to point out that the wage at 3:48 plummets when you consider people who deliver by car. The time it takes to find parking and the cost of gas easily bring you below $10/hr

@JacquelineHoman

Жыл бұрын

Doordasher here. The biggest expense is all the wear and tear on our cars, especially on the front end! Brake jobs and front end suspension repairs-struts, ball joints, u-joints, shocks, etc. etc. are NOT cheap repairs! It can easily cost upwards of $1,600 or more per year just for that alone. When you take ALL of that into account (along with all the non-tipping customers), the real wage for many of us is more like $5/hour in many areas across the US. Maybe if you're a teenager living at home for free with parents that are supporting you, you can afford to work like that but most of us can't because we're older workers and don't have it like that!

@ashtoncarriveau3880

Жыл бұрын

@@JacquelineHoman yeah outside of dense urban cities in the Northeast it just isn't economic. Gigwork is supposed to be for people who have extra time on their hands and want to make a few extra bucks. Forcing everyone into a gig economy has been a disaster.

Hey! So this is similarly happening in India- delivery workers in Delhi and Kolkata tried striking but had to cut it off because they absolutely could not afford to leave their families hungry. I live in a different city and had spoken to a delivery worker who didn't even KNOW these strikes had happened.

When we talk about the horrors of what the USA does around the world, it’s important to remember the pain it inflicts upon it’s on citizens.

@kittykatz4001

Жыл бұрын

💥

@donedeal8385

11 ай бұрын

Yes, and we are experiencing fuceauxs(sic?) boomerang as the police are militarized and the government cracks down on protests and emposerment. Like when biden forced the railway workers back to work without even 1 sick day per year allowed.

@syscruncher

8 ай бұрын

The USA is rapidly becoming a nightmare state. Consumer protection is mostly a joke, Europe is putting anything the US has to shame. Worker protections are becoming more of a joke by the day. Any violators are dealt a slap on the wrist because they funnel big bucks into the pockets of politicians who craft consumer, labor, and tax laws to benefit the entities that give them the most money. That’s why “tax the rich” never comes to fruition…”the rich” pay millions to politicians to save hundreds of millions, or billions by having tax loopholes built in. Politician is where you go to become a millionaire and not have to deal with the problems of the “common man” instead of where you go to work to benefit the people who put you there. ,

I used to deliver/Uber/etc. I know what these people are going through. Gig work is one of the lowest paid "jobs" in the market.

@MUZUKUN-YT

Жыл бұрын

Yet they are the most dangerous especially with car society making everything hard for everyone.

Why aren't there laws against this, that when the people vote a provision into law, any executive branch employee who opts not to enforce said law is instantly terminated? I mean their entire job is law enforcement, there's no such thing as a working class employee who can show up to work, overtly not work, and stay employed. It's grounds for termination in every other sector except, evidently, government, where you can be hired to do the people's business, shit on the people's business, and come back tomorrow to shat once again.

@petebusch9069

Жыл бұрын

Another idiot who thinks laws actually do something, grow up.

@dirtydirtyshisno7284

Жыл бұрын

Because our democracy is an illusion

@muttipi

Жыл бұрын

in places like new york and california these companies were sending out voting packets that misinformed their employees and customers on propositions that would regulate things like this, it’s disgusting what corporations can get away with, but faceless lifeless companies have more rights and autonomy that a normal person ever will.

@keanuxu5435

Жыл бұрын

Lobbyists are paid to prevent laws that benefit workers in this case not to pass because if they did pass, it means corporations make less money, and that is what hurts capitalists feelings, and boy are they a bunch of snowflakes

@shacktime

Жыл бұрын

Look up all the former elected officials and appointees that are executives at these gig companies. It’s disgusting and more proof of how totally rigged the system is.

I do NOT use ubereats, doordash, or the sort anymore. Absolutely disgusting. If I want food I go to the restaurant and pick up or order delivery…I just cannot continue to support this

@veronicaBolanos-mc4fc

6 ай бұрын

Total agree with you! I wont support this slave labor shit

@WR-NC-ASPL

5 ай бұрын

You can just give them huge tips

@whatsonhermindblog123

5 ай бұрын

@@WR-NC-ASPL ok, you have a point And since then I did start using caviar, but are they under door dash? I feel like they do better but idk what do you think?

It seems like these companies are desperately awaiting the day when they can fully replace workers with drones, autonomous vehicles, robots, etc. Till then, they're happy to treat people as machines; extracting more and more to secure their own profits. This labor movement gives me hope. Organize! Jane McAlevey is a phenomenal resource!

The app owners want them to compete with each other. They just want to work together.

I have been on both sides, I did Door Dash and unless you get good tips, you might as well get a fast food or low wage job. I made 14/hr on avg. I had to pay for gas out of that.

@shacktime

Жыл бұрын

NEVER state what you made without first deducting all the expenses, particularly those that were traditionally paid for by the employers. Doing otherwise merely plays into the hands of these completely dishonest companies. BTW, these companies are staffed to the gills with former elected officials and appointees, Democrats in particular. Tony West of Uber is Kamala Harris’s brother-in-law. He’s just the tip of the iceberg.

@nestout1728

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention 0.33/mile maintenance, insurance on your vehicle and parking fees. I did DoorDash until I couldn't afford to fix my vehicle that I drove to death for $7.75/ hour in California. after calculating the pay/delivery drastically drops.

@JacquelineHoman

Жыл бұрын

Doordasher here from Erie, PA-one of the most stingy markets for tips and one of the worst for wear and tear on cars given Pennsylvania's nororiously pothole-ridden streets and roads. The biggest expense is all the wear and tear on our cars, especially on the front end! Brake jobs and front end suspension repairs-struts, ball joints, u-joints, shocks, etc. etc. are NOT cheap repairs! It can easily cost upwards of $1,600 or more per year just for that alone. When you take ALL of that into account (along with all the non-tipping customers and the risks of injury from falling and breaking a bone on icy steps and walkways), the real wage for many of us is more like $5/hour in many areas across the US. Maybe if you're a teenager living at home for free with parents (getting healthcare through their insurance) that are supporting you, you can afford to work like that but most of us can't because we're older workers and don't have it like that! I'm a poor 55 year old widow who had been out of the workforce for 15 years as my late husband's sole caregiver and at my age with an employment gap like that, no employers have been willing to hire me at any job I could physically do. There really are no other job opportunities outside of the gig economy that are accessible and realistically available for me. And companies like Doordash and Uber Eats know it. They know that situations like mine are NOT a one-off, and they're complete social predators for how much they're taking advantage of it and exploiting people like me who desperately need incomes to survive and who aren't getting helped by any safety net programs (no kids-no cash help from welfare, too young for my social security widows' benefit-must be age 60, but too old for a real chance for a real entry level/workforce re-entry job).

I did not start using any delivery apps until I left the US. Back in the US, I lived in a semi-rural area where deliveries were not exactly a thing done, so using a delivery app was kind of pointless. When I left the US, I moved into a more urban area (sort of halfway between full-on urban and suburb), but even after I started using them, I kept the usage to a minimum. The places I have used them to order from, I try to go to in person rather than have someone bring my order to me, which I have been able to largely maintain in the four years since I moved, with the only exceptions were the few times I fell sick. Even with my exceptions, I stuck more with grocery delivery, and I stuck with stores that had their own delivery service rather than outsource it to these apps. As for the times I use the apps, while I know the laws here and the enforcement of them are much better for the workers than they are in the US, most, if not all, of the same trends are found here. From the beginning, I made it a point of always having cash on hand to slip the courier a little extra for themselves, as I never trusted the tip option. I know I am not exactly helping, but I would like to think that I am not contributing to things getting worse (wishful thinking, I know). These workers need unions, they need protections, and by f^^^, these corporations need to pay.

@scobeymeister1

Жыл бұрын

Have worked for one of these before, a grocery one. Most of the people I delivered to were doing it because they needed to, and I never once begrudged them for using the service. They either didn't know or didn't have a better option. Your tiny boycott makes little difference to the company's profit margins, but the cash tips almost certain made the workers' lives a bit easier. What I'm saying is basically, don't sweat it, keep treating them well, and support the unionizing efforts springing up everywhere. Participation in capitalistic exploitation is not the same as endorsement and perpetuation of it ✊

Very well-made document of workers in the trenches. I've never used any delivery app or even hired an Uber but I have friends who do. This is such a dangerous job! I feel stupid for assuming their bike, equipment and insurance are provided. Not so and that is shameful. The workers deserve better. More power to you.

As a neurodivergent person who sometimes struggles to plan meals and get to the grocery store, thank you delivery workers!! I've also done Uber Eats delivery so know the hidden costs. Delivery workers deserve insurance, quality pay, and employee rights!

Commenting for the algorithm ✊ I don't even have the words. I hate this system & this world. Some ppl don't understand the *h3ll* it is to live in poverty. Working today just to eat tomorrow & even then tomorrow's food isn't even guaranteed despite you working SO HARD!! It makes you want to give up. Ppl shouldn't be forced to be this strong! Working so hard for pennies while the fks at the top don't lift a FINGER & make bank - *stealing* your wages! When I was homeless I wanted it all to burn down. It's just too much. I'm ok now, bc on a fluke I found my husband who's a foreigner & immediately moved tf out of Kentucky. I never wanna go back to America. Solidarity to all the ppl still stuck there ✊😭 This has to stop, ppl are dying!

I just pick up my food. I don’t trust anyone else to touch my food. Also, I’m not paying all this extra unnecessary money when it’s cheaper for me to get it, even when you factor in gas, wear and tear, depreciation.

I was a postmates contractor for a bit. Extremely exploitative industry. Thank you

@shacktime

Жыл бұрын

You were never ever treated like a contractor.

@alienvomitsex

Жыл бұрын

​@@shacktime Conservatives try to tell other people about their life experiences:

@shacktime

Жыл бұрын

@@alienvomitsex That’s a load of horse shit. Conservatives almost exclusively rely on anecdotal nonsense in lieu of facts.

@Loj84

10 ай бұрын

@@alienvomitsex huh? Pretty sure they’re being sympathetic. As in, Postmates and other delivery companies do not treat their delivery drivers as if they are contractors. They treat them as employees, but then classify them as contractors in order to screw them over.

The "gig economy" seems pretty predatory overall. They push all the expenses on the "independent contractor" and use that classification as a way to dodge most labor laws. They also try to dodge other regulations, such as Uber claiming to be a technology company so they could dodge regulations on taxi services. They also seem to pay by the task rather than by the hour. Sure, that gives you more flexibility in your schedule, but at what cost?

@whispr_2ME

4 ай бұрын

"They also seem to pay by the task rather than by the hour. Sure, that gives you more flexibility in your schedule, but at what cost?" It is by the task (order to be more accurate). You're shown exactly what the payout will be when the offer is presented alongside other information to help you decide if it's worth accepting. The only "cost" is having to decline bad offers, which can be automated with third-party apps. The problem is drivers acting like employees instead of independent contractors and accepting everything that pops up on their phones. To operate in the gig economy, you would ideally be active on multiple platforms and only accept whichever offers make sense. Just like how other contractors don't stick to working for a single client, and get offers/make proposals for work to be done. If you opt to play the employee role with none of the benefits, then you will make yourself prey. I will say that DoorDash specifically likes to play a lot of mind games with drivers and pressure them into thinking they need to have a high acceptance rate. Out of all the platforms: they easily come the closest to treating drivers like employees (as much as they can legally). They can't outright MAKE you accept an offer, but they will do things like hide a portion of the tip behind "total may be higher" on the initial offer to entice you into accepting when the real total is only maybe $0.20 higher. They also require a high acceptance rate to go online without a schedule, which is known as "top dasher". DD is the only company that does this for on-demand delivery, and iirc they've actually been forced in at least one state to allow everyone to work without scheduling ahead.

I don’t support these line skippers and I refuse to use these apps.

I was just in NY earlier this week wondering about all these guys and how on earth they make ends meet, and what kind of living conditions they are subjected to. I also don't understand who the customers are when so much is walkable and at your fingertips in NYC nearly 24/7. How is America even worth it for anyone at the bottom rungs of the class system? It's barely worth it unless you're at the top at this insane COL point. It has failed the people that are its backbone.

Weird, audio IS working just fine for me!

@dissonanceparadiddle

Жыл бұрын

Mine wasn't then i waited a few minutes and it was

I've been an online delivery driver since 2018 in SEA and I can tell you that the online delivery scene in SEA after Covid has been nothing but pain in the ass. They reduce the minimum charges for each order, reduce (or even remove in some case) the amount of incentives, reduce the delivery cost/km, etc. If one online delivery company do some cost saving measure and get away with it, the rest will absolutely follow since they assume the worker are fine with it (they dont). It's pretty much race to the bottom. We've had some worker strikes a few times but they reverted the changes not long after.

The sad part is lawmakers required small businesses to pay minimum wages while these companies can get away...

Restaurant in the US are relying too much on clients to pay for their staff. Tipping the waiter to supplement their wages, tipping and paying the delivery app and person. This has to stop. If you can’t afford to pay staff, you can’t afford to own your business.

I just cancled Culligan water, in the last two years 5 gallons water was raised. It was $5.50 went to $7.50 said because of fuel cost. Then last delivery I see a $2.59 fuel/delivery charge. These employees are like far to many, way under paid as well respected. In The USA today minimum wage should be $21.98 hourly. Everyone should be paid a true fair living wage after all expenses paid.

Man this is crazy.. smfh meanwhile there apartments in Manhattan go for 10k a month for something medium sized in a fancy apartment building. But can’t tip more than 1 dollar

Ow, I delivered for a while in central florida, but for me I still had a full time job. I main job was fine outside of a credit card debt that I could not get down faster then something popping up that I had to put on it since my spare cash was going on the card. Used the deliveries to make between 100 to 200 a week that when right to the debt and cleared it rather fast. It is still clear to this day. The thing that got me was how long it took me to make that money and was glad I was not depending on this for a living.

Corporate profits increase, prices increase, and low level wages stay the same. That is what creates wealth inequality, and this can single-handedly destroy the country.

"Delivery workers have to buy their own helmets and their own bikes." Local Business Owners with Actual Overhead:...

Why can the food delivery apps just let delivery people set their own mileage rate, and then the customer just gets the cheapest delivery rate or pick from their favorite delivery person. This is similar to how TaskRabbit works.

Hats 👒 off to the judge, and he needs to be protected. It's really sad that we have to tell these clowns to treat people with dignity who's breaking their backs to get you your 3rd yacht. You want to splurge, we're just trying to be happy and live with our heads above water. We literally have to say this to adults. Smh, congrats to all of you. I'm waiting for my fellow retail coworkers to get in on this, and I'm there. SMH.

I love how much this channel has grown. It was at around 92,000 subscribers by late January. It's at around 218,000 subscribers at the time of writing (May 10, 2023).

How can foreigners work in the USA and not speak English, you would not be able to understand regulations or communicate with customers who ordered the food.

A kind soul should somehow stop the technological infrastructure like the network of the delivery app itself and hold it under ransomeware and only release it if these massive companies pay the workers their worth and benefits

@Madderthanjoker

Жыл бұрын

a kind soul LUL, I like the way to speak

@keanuxu5435

Жыл бұрын

@@Madderthanjoker A true comrade.

@sheree2985

Жыл бұрын

​@@keanuxu5435 A real human bean

We need a federal living wage law. We need to end exploitative state level minimum wage laws. The only way we can get a federal living wage enacted is to get rid of corrupt section 8 funding for private landlords and replace it with legitimate federal public housing. A living wage in NYC would be $60 per hour.

It's almost as if these organizers are completely unaware of how this fight always goes. The companies have one playbook and they always use it because it always works. Go back over a century, or just a last year ago, it's always the same. Corrupt officials who depend on the companies to give them a lot of money to fight against the passage of laws, then the companies simply ignore the law and those corrupt officials refuse to enforce the laws, then the workers fight with each other because they can't wait for years while the government pretends to do something, then the workers strike which are put down with violence, then the violence is escalated, then the government steps in to stop the violence and somehow it always ends with the companies returning to stealing from the workers. Lather rinse repeat.

@shacktime

Жыл бұрын

Tony West is the CLO at Uber. Look up who he is. Then keep going.

@rickb3650

Жыл бұрын

@@shacktime I think you're reinforcing my point?

@shacktime

Жыл бұрын

@@rickb3650 For sure. Big Tech and Democrats are thick as thieves. Bezos and others are trying to bring back company towns. That’s basically slavery. We had better wake TF up and start really fighting back while we still can.

@scobeymeister1

Жыл бұрын

It's a hard fight to win, yes, but it's been done before. We in the US had (past tense, sadly) a standard 40 hour work week and a livable minimum wage because of collective action just like this. Just because companies will always be looking for ways to undermine it, that doesn't mean it's not worth doing. They deliberately sabotage organizing and lobby against policy changes BECAUSE it does work! They aren't dropping millions to prevent union formation just for the hell of it. The idea that unions don't work is literally the foundation of anti-union propaganda. It's just that it's a long-term struggle in a world that seems to be trending to short-term goals. The Deliveristas seem like a tough, cohesive bunch, and now they have a lot more outside eyes on them voicing support. It can be done. Hope is not crazy and struggle is not futile. Even if companies like Uber and Instacart don't want you to think so. I wish them the best. I, for one, will be doing what I can to support labor movements like this. Will you?

I would love to hear your thoughts on "platform cooperatives" as an alternative to working for companies like Uber.

@spoonikle

Жыл бұрын

They wont compete because their prices must be higher. The sad reality is, food delivery SHOULD be expensive. Yet their will always be market pressure to make it this cheap. I said it - Delivery is cheap. I get to buy 30-40 mins of a delivery drivers time and fuel for 10$ when they have to do their own taxes and maintain their own equipment while being outside in a car or on a bike which is a dangerous and unhealthy environment. If you ever thought that was a good thing… you barely have thoughts, must be nice with a mind so quiet.

@TheMysteryDriver

Жыл бұрын

That's the reality. Everyone is underpaid. We all need large pay increases to deal with the actual costs.

@GulfCoastGrit

Жыл бұрын

@@spoonikle You’ve hit the mail on the head. As companies squeeze every last red cent from the customer through inflated pricing, we’re all forced to be very price sensitive. Even if a cooperative could startup and compete on price, the larger companies would immediately start cutting prices and operating at a loss until they put the co-op out of business. Then they’d hike the prices back up over time and you’re right back to where you started.

@shacktime

Жыл бұрын

Without regulations in this industry nothing will change.

@Waitwhat469

Жыл бұрын

@@spoonikle That's a good point. I think the only way the model makes sense is if the companies are paying for the privilege of delivery some. If it's 30 dollars added to delivery for the customer, it would be just too much for most customers to bear.

The human side is the TIP. It kills me inside when I deliver to a customer who doesn't give any $ as TIP. We offer the delivery as a service , yet customers don't pay you when they think that the delivery fee covers the tip, which it doesn't, because the company takes the fee, and you make no money.

@whispr_2ME

4 ай бұрын

Why would you accept an order that's not worth it? Hoping there's a cash tip to make it worth your time is a bad idea.

Fucked up not be able to afford heathcare insurance when the streets are so unsafe for bikes 😬

These companies make so much money. They can afford to pay their workers better but they act like they can’t.

I appreciate the video. As someone who sees these workers all the time, speeding around the city, I feel like I understand them and their experience a bit better now. Even those who don't care about their welfare would benefit from them getting better pay and better working conditions. When they have to work like this, they end up doing all kinds of reckless and dangerous riding, cutting over sidewalks, going the wrong way down roads, running red lights. Everyone would benefit from a reform of their working conditions, that puts less financial pressure on them to get as many deliveries as humanly possible every day. I'm all for it.

Ok so I’m torn in two directions about the minimum wage for food delivery apps. I’m for the minimum wage for multiple reasons: 1. It would mean not wasting hours outside getting low paying orders just to go home earning 30 dollars after 4-5 hours, 2. The expense most delivery workers have to dull out is massive (taxes, expenses, health care. However I’m also against it because some days we do earn more than the proposed minimum wage. I remember 2 winters ago (just before COVID was a thing) I was making 400-500 a week only doing 3 hours a day. Also there are too many people using someone else’s account because their not able to work in the United States or they were previously banned. That now hurts the person that’s allowing them to use their SSN because their on the hook for all the taxes owed. If they impose this new minimum wage their also needs to be stricter enforcement on who is allowed to deliver on the app. I shouldn’t get a notification that Mary on a bike is delivering my food and it’s a whole different person on a gas powered scooter with no thermal bag. P.S. Can we go back to the COVID delivery days when we didn’t have to go upstairs in these high rise buildings with no service and have all food deliveries delivered to the lobby.

Christ. Raise their salaries and pass part of the cost to the consumers. Food delivery is a luxury, not a necessity. If you can't afford an extra 50 cents to a dollar for your pizza delivery or whatever you should be going out yourself to get it. Charge more for delivery and give these people a liveable wage. I'm not going to say "Well they want $1 more for my food delivery, I'm not going to order now!".. the $1 or more even is still worth the time and hassle I would save going to get it myself and I'll feel better knowing the person bringing me the food can at least live on their wages. That said, I don't use food delivery often, maybe twice a month. Perhaps people who are using it daily will care more, but my god if they can afford food delivery daily then they shouldn't be complaining about an extra $1 or so.

@luciskies

Жыл бұрын

I get where you are coming from but a lot of disabled ppl depend on these workers and being disabled in the US is already crazy expensive. The higher ups and execs should be eating the cost.

@Hathur

Жыл бұрын

@@luciskies Disabled people with fixed income are not (and should not) be living off take out food orders. I have disabled family members, they use delivery services for GROCERIES.. not fast food services. They can make a grocery order with services like instacart once a week and the monthly fee is quite reasonable ($10 or $15 a month I think, covers the normal delivery cost for unlimited deliveries for the whole month). Disabled people aren't using uber eats etc to get McDonalds every day, that'd be insane... health wise and financially. But using something like instacart 3 or 4 times a month is more than reasonably affordable for most (it is for my disabled family members who have a very fixed / modest income)

@MUZUKUN-YT

Жыл бұрын

Why does it have to be us that has to pay for their services? Using tips is honestly a form of disrespect from where I'm from and this honestly steals from us individuals who also work dead-end jobs. These big companies have enough money to pay these workers, yet most of their lazy asses go to lobbying. Try again. 😂😂😂

@luciskies

Жыл бұрын

@@Hathur When I say delivery workers I mean ALL delivery workers (that also includes groceries.) I also believe that ppl on SSI/Disability deserve more financial aid as well. I also have family on fixed income and with the rising COL they deserve better too. We could do more for everyone. That’s all I want to say since I think we aren’t going to agree on much. Ty for the convo and take care!

Really the only thing the _consumer_ can do about this is just stop using DoorDash, UberEats, etc. Go get your own damned food. Tell restaurants that use them you won’t be ordering takeout unless they pay their own delivery people.

@shacktime

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. No one should be patronizing these evil companies. And they’re definitely evil. Anyone thinking otherwise is naive and ignorant.

@scobeymeister1

Жыл бұрын

I don't fault small local businesses for relying on cheap labor, honestly. In an ideal world they would all hire their own drivers but I get why the new chicken place down the road with 3 employees and no financial stability would use UberEats. I think these services are here to stay and if properly regulated and enforced can be a net good. These labor movements, at least to my eye, look like the natural next step. So with that, I have some great news for you. Actually, there is quite a bit more you can do as a consumer! 1. Educate yourself! Many people on social media are broadly pro-workers'-rights, but there is a huge gap between baseline agreement and actually understanding how to organize. Literally searching "how to form a union" is enough to get you started, with concrete steps on what actually needs to happen. That leaves you better equipped to help people fight. 2. Talk! The biggest hurdle the gig worker labor movement faces is connection. These platforms rely on manipulative tactics to keep workers isolated and powerless. Something as simple as asking your delivery worker if they have a union and directing them towards one if there is one in your area can help a lot! Many of us simply aren't aware of the organizing efforts around us because the companies obviously don't encourage it. Talk face-to-face. Do NOT do it through the app - there is a huge privacy risk and all "independent contractors" are pretty much SOL if they get booted for union activity. It's much safer and easier for a consumer to spread the word. They can't fire you and you can be pretty sure the person bringing your food is a ground-level worker. 3. Show up! Sign petitions, go to protests, write your politicians, send strongly worded feedback to Uber corporate, anything! Make your support for workers' rights to decent pay, benefits, and working conditions known. One voice is nothing to these companies, but lots of voices? That's scary. They drop so much money on prevention, good PR, and damage control because they think it's cheaper than being a decent employer. Your voice can make them doubt that. If they estimate the costs of damage control to be a threat to their bottom line, that strengthens the workers' bargaining power and helps them win their rights faster.

@Apex_Yonko

Жыл бұрын

Won’t all those people just lose their jobs?

@RextheRebel

Жыл бұрын

Boom. This comment speaks to the real problem here. We should not have door dash and under eats and whatever delivery app. They ruin everyones experience. Especially people who order in.

@alienvomitsex

Жыл бұрын

​@@scobeymeister1 Hot take: If you don't have the money/stability/business sense to start a business without exploiting someone, you're not cut out to be a business owner. Not everyone is meant to be a business owner. The world actually needs workers, too.

These poor doctors and lawyers 😨

A local young fella here in Canada was making 70+ dollars an hour driving a car and delivering for some new delivery company. We tip well on the east coast

Elephant in the room: why are NYC liberals tipping so low?

7:45 I hate how the government is owned by corporations.

Before these apps the restaurant's internal delivery crew are usually kitchen staff who does delivery during down time. That's how they are paid a full wage plus tips.

It's software. How are these companies losing money when they do so little once the initial costs are paid for. Investors expecting continued growth is the biggest problem. A business like this should be hugely profitable at 5% cut.

Always love your stuff. Your reach is also greater than is reflected by your in-app stats, many of the leftist Twitch streamers I've noticed, will watch all your new uploads with their streams, the moment they hit. So that's like, one view, that's actually being seen by an audience of 200, 700, 2,000, 20,000... Don't underestimate the impact you're having!

@moreperfectunion

Жыл бұрын

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DoorDash GrubHub I left all forms or Uber, these companies are complete trash, I hope you go belly up and lose everything when you least expect it

Used to be a ride share driver at the very beginning. Eight years ago, when it was brand new, the money was great, now it’s shite for all drivers, especially new ones because they don’t even enjoy the benefit of a higher pay differential that comes with a minimum amount of tenure.

The same people that want to complain about their boss making more money, are now complaining about the cost of running your own business.? Yes door dash and other company’s provide the app and support/payment platform but as a contractor you’re your own boss. Lol.

And people still think we live in a democracy

@alienvomitsex

Жыл бұрын

Easy way to tell who has been brainwashed though

$50 lock? More like $200-300 if you don't want to replace your $1300+ bicycle. Extra batteries also have a significant markup compared to the price of the battery itself with a charge controller and the case surrounding it.

Since Deliveristas are being treated so unfairly, I will no longer use food delivery apps to support their cause.

and $15 is not a living wage in America. $26 or nothing.

But wait! I don't do deliveries because I don't like the pay. They don't have to if they don't like the pay. I don't understand where is the big deal here. Is contract job, that's the pay, take it or leave it. Easy.

Why the hell are gig workers getting paid minimum wage in NY? We get paid by the fairs here in California. Like an independent contract should.

@weedAndTransRights

6 ай бұрын

they aren't. they fought to get paid minimum wage. they got a law passed. they still aren't getting paid.

Drivers should push to regulate

This is why corporations should pay their employees/contractors fairly. I absolutely hate the idea of tipping. But, it's become a constant thing in our society that ends up being more expensive than the normal price of food.

So sad, delivery robots when?

Thanks for continuing to cover this, my wife is a uber driver in Oklahoma.

@shacktime

Жыл бұрын

Tell her to quit.

These worker need to give immediate notice that they will strike if the original deal is not implemented in full now. And be prepared to follow up on that threat. It's tough to do but it is the only way.

@Ehibika

Жыл бұрын

Not only that but we need to have some kind of mutual aid system in place to help to maintain the strike, these people are running on thin resources and the company can just wait them out till they starve and become compliant again.

@scobeymeister1

Жыл бұрын

For real. They have eyes on them now. I'd contribute a few bucks to a fundraiser towards making sure they have enough resources to sustain it. The same omnipresence of the internet that makes this exploitative system possible can be used to the workers' benefit. Here's hoping they make it work

We need to stop senseless death during food deliveries!!! NO MORE DELIVERY!

I do food Delivery and DD is a garbage company I agree, however a minimum wage for gig workers will solve nothing and would harm all types of contractors who are happy with their contract arrangement potentially. What needs to happen is that gig works are allowed to set their own rates and DD can only send offers to them that MEET or exceed those rates set by the gig worker.

Great video. Thank you.

It's criminal what these app owners are doing.

Delivery workers should be contracted employees which means they get a 1099. Why would I pay minimum wage to a contract employee whom isn't "working" non stop their entire shift? What keeps them from "working" while only doing a handful of deliveries a day? If they get minimum wage then they shouldn't be allowed to deny deliveries AND the company can then turn off the ability to tip. Also, if they're not here legally then technically they can't be an employee. So now they just lost their job.

DoorDash was the best during the pandemic when people actually needed their services. It's changing now...

This was regulated in the last few years in Spain, and only took putting a Communist at the head of the labour ministry. Companies threatened with leaving and some, like Deliveroo, did leave. Others, like JustEat had to hire actual employees to stay in business, instead of relying on false independent contractors. Conclusion: It can be done. We just have to keep our rights as the working class at the top of our priorities, well above convenience.

@alienvomitsex

Жыл бұрын

Workers' rights (aka communism to Americans) scary though 😭

@unclerubo

Жыл бұрын

@@alienvomitsex She's an actual communist tho, which is nice.

@whispr_2ME

4 ай бұрын

That sounds terrible.

5:13 is misleading. he may work 7 days, but he only was online for 11 and actually delivering for 5 hours the whole week.

All of the delivery companies are treating every one they hire as contractors and until the government steps up to fix it, it wont change. In other words it wont change.

That sure was bleak. Sounds like a nightmare industry..

I am all for paying higher prices for food and deliveries in the hopes that tipping is no longer expected. Waiters and delivery services should be included in the service charge by way of higher costs. So raise the price of services but then get rid of the tipping culture cause in the last couple of years its gone from 15% to 18% to now its expected to give no less than 25% in tips… insane. So Im all for being charged more in order to give these people who work in these types of industries a salary, but then get rid of the tipping culture. Now, lets not forget that this has been proposed many times before in several states in the food service industry, and the waiters themselves are the ones that always vote against these changes. So, do you want tips or do you want higher wages? Cant have both cause other industries do not have both…

@weedAndTransRights

6 ай бұрын

the apps and companies push for higher tips so they don't have to pay their workers as much and push for lower wages so they don't have to pay their workers as much. they have all the say in every decision, unions are supposed to be a power equalizer between management and the work force but they've been slowly losing power since the 50s... recently Americans are seeing the worst consequences of that when it comes to personal fiancnes and thus support for unions is skyrocketing

You need to factor in also THE COST OF OPERATING YOUR OWN BUSINESS. Uber drivers are CONTRACT ONLY meaning YOU pay the cost of operation and repair of your vehicle + no benefits. The mileage you’re paid often doesn’t even cover gas to and from. If you don’t wanna tip so much to get your parcel, hold these companies accountable. Uber, door dash, etc.

@shacktime

Жыл бұрын

Contractors are supposed to have control over costs. These companies violate nearly every law and clause on the ABC and Borello tests.

@S.O.BProd.

Жыл бұрын

@@shacktime Exactly

@S.O.BProd.

Жыл бұрын

@@shacktime Legislators made it so that we couldn’t write off the cost of operation last year as well.

@shacktime

Жыл бұрын

@@S.O.BProd. Are you f-ing kidding me?!? In which state?

@S.O.BProd.

Жыл бұрын

@@shacktime All states. We can write off stuff still but we get almost nothing back. It’s considerably less than it was the last couple years. We were given deductible gas write offs for tax reasons that are no longer deductible. Despite gas prices remaining high. Of course they’re not as high as they were at one point but they are still much higher, especially with inflation and our economy than they were when Uber first started contracting workers.

The best thing to do would be to keep a database of workers andonboard them into some chat platform. So when the gig app chimes them a notification, the worker chat app should chime them a notification that exposes the lie.

@scobeymeister1

Жыл бұрын

That's a very good idea. The trouble is, as has historically been the case with anti-union efforts, gig workers are encouraged to see each other as rivals, not coworkers. With no central location and no access to employee lists, as well as an ever-changing pool of active workers, it becomes far more difficult to track down and reach many of them. Not to say it's not worth doing - it's much harder for this sort of model to detect union organizing activity because of its decentralized nature. But there needs to be a concerted effort from all involved in agitating for reform, workers and organizers and customers, to get people connected. There's one called the Gig Workers Collective that has a mailing list but coverage has been spotty at best and it seems to have fizzled out, I suspect because of a lack of participation. But yeah, that would be extremely cool. These are definitely problems worth tackling

@swagatochatterjee7104

Жыл бұрын

@@scobeymeister1 yes the largest pain point is that these companies are way more data rich than the workers. Most of these workers will at the end of the day go to some hub, so they can be reached there. Also one can reach out to restaurants to tag workers (I am saying it certainly that these restaurants also hate these companies because they also take a hefty chunk out of their pockets) and then reach them out. Lastly this would make sure that at least the people who have joined the struggle dont drop out.

I worked at a restaurant where most of their cooks had 2 jobs. They were Not complaining. They chose to come to California. It’s not cheap and IF you didn’t go to school to become a doctor/ dentist/ engineer etc …. Than YOU Need 2 jobs SIMPLE.

Heres a fun fact; DoorDash insurance doesnt cover damage to your vehicle during a delivery. Assuming its the same with the other food delivery apps. So you either lie after an accident or get commercial insurance...

It’s simply over-saturation of workers, illegal immigrants using the apps and taking jobs from legal citizens, the companies taking way more than deserved for the fees and paying out $2.00 with the hope of a tip

@TheSimba86

3 ай бұрын

yep, WAY too many workers competing for fewer and fewer orders

That guy who said he worked 7 days for $164 only had 5 hours active time and 11 hrs dash time lol. Did I see that correctly?

Living wage please stop talking minimum wage. Living wage 24 dollars an hour is the least !!! #ubi now !!! I'm a gig worker I love my uber friends, stay well and keep fighting the good fight !!!!

Never have and never will use that service. The food is already expensive with me picking it up.