The Prime directive prevents episodes from ending after 10 minutes

@TheWhovinerd-1963

9 ай бұрын

True tbf lol 😂.

@nathanb1509

9 ай бұрын

"Oh wow, a prewarp world. Well anyway prime directive, we'll be on our way."

@DarthSaggezza

9 ай бұрын

Well, I have to admit there is some logic to that in the writers room. Just being honest in my opinion.

@this.is.a.username

9 ай бұрын

@@nathanb1509 still explorers, gotta explore

@TalesOfGothic

9 ай бұрын

Yeah but if you like his content then let him make his money or just use an Adblock. If you are so lazy that you can’t even use Adblock then you have no right to complain.

Fun Fact: The reason the Prime Directive is a thing in Star Trek is because Gene Roddenberry was very critical of the Vietnam War. The brutality of the war led him to believe that no good could ever come from interfering in the affairs of another nation, especially less developed ones, and that a more enlightened society would generally leave other civilizations alone.

@spartanonxy

9 ай бұрын

Which is absurd even as a premise. We have literal GENOCIDE in our world heck there is more then one ongoing right this second. According to Roddenberry's mindset allowing genocide to occur just because is allowable as long as it is done by ones own state. That is not even getting into the fact that it assumes all races will follow the same path of progress. God forbid the Federation meet a race with everything they have being 2 centuries ahead of the Federation but never bothered to develop a warp drive thanks to abundance in their system. I mean I get where the mindset comes from but it is a utopian one that has little connection to our imperfect world.

@justarandomcommenter570

9 ай бұрын

@@spartanonxy Interesting insights, but also a few, rather lengthy counter-points to bring up: 1. Lets get it out of the way that Star Trek is idealistic and that its whole point is to present a utopian vision, not necessarily a realistic one. Its nice to dream though. 2. If the Federation encounters a species with the same-tech level or better, then i'd assume the Prime Directive wouldnt be really applied even if they havent invented warp-travel because they are already near-equals or equals. Also, I do think Star Trek does show that species grow and develop in their own ways, though I agree it is a bit weird that they all develop the exact same tech. Then again, a lot of species in Star Trek are somehow all humanoids so it makes sense that they are similar....sooo ig don't dwell on all this too much? :P 3. Its ultimately a question of proximity. We care about issues such as genocides happening in our world because we are ALL the same species, sharing the SAME planet. Ofc we *have* to care. However, would we still care though about such issues if they were happening on another planet? on another star-system? to an alien species? 4. _According to Roddenberry's mindset allowing genocide to occur just because is allowable as long as it is done by ones own state..._ is it really so absurd? Are we not doing it even now? Many wars and conflicts are happening in the Middle East, Africa and many corners of the world today, yet we dont do much because "its their country" and 'their problems' to take care of. Most turn a blind eye to oppressions and attacks on minority populations by the state across many countries simply because it doesn't concern us or we dont care. Sure such things are condemned internationally but is much ever really being done to change it? Aren't we still allowing it to happen because we say its the purview of someone else and not our own?

@spartanonxy

9 ай бұрын

@@justarandomcommenter570 So lets go with breaking them down. 1) yeah this one is fair but I myself prefer the more grounded versions of the show rather then TNG. 2) That is just it they treat the Prime directive as RELIGION as commands from on high with barely any exceptions. Because they specifically use warp travel to distinguish if a race is ready. And the vast majority of exceptions were made in borderline crisis situations. Overall I really do think the Federation if they found a species using a form of faster then light that is not warp by any definition would declare them to primitive to contact even if the form was better in every metric. Mind you I am talking TNG Federation there who are lets say ungrounded. 3) more or less fair there though I imagine in a time where said world might literally be a few days travel away would have a serious effect on what we consider proximity. We likely would care but it is questionable if enough. 4) This one is also fair.

@Jiub_SN

9 ай бұрын

@@spartanonxyI think the opposite of this view that you seem to be hard lining is just as bad as you make this view seem, but it really isn't. Name one time the USA getting into another nations business has been helpful aside from WW2 (which, mind you, nobody was aware of the extent of the holocaust or the Chinese atrocities or even that genocide was happening until post war)

@spartanonxy

9 ай бұрын

@@Jiub_SN That is just it I don't advocate for the opposite. I am pointing out their system is honestly bad. In many ways it is worse then the systems we are dealing with today. I just simply think that there needs to be a rational discussion and that situations need to be judged less dogmatically. I am not for intervention in every case. Also Gulf War 1. Kuwait was invaded by Iraq. A series of finite goals were set and the war ended rapidly and saw the Kuwait nation have self governance restored. The cases where everything went wrong are more because constant mission creep and a attempt to make war "clean".

I know the Hur'q invasion of Qronos probably took place during the Klingon medieval age or something, but I do like to imagine an 'Independence Day' style conflict as Klingon jetfighters duel'd with Hur'q spacecraft that tried to operate in the atmosphere. That or I just would love to see a Klingon F-35.

@occultatumquaestio5226

9 ай бұрын

Given that Qo'nos as a planet was already unified into a single planetary government by the time of the Hur'q invasion, debatably Qo'nos was already in its early industrial period. So less "Independence Day" and more "War of the Worlds." Now just imagining Steampunk Klingons.

@Ryan_Thompson

9 ай бұрын

Right?! With some old pilot with a Blood wine problem screaming, "Hello petaQ, I have returned!" We need to get this in front of Roland Emmerich.

@igncom1

9 ай бұрын

@@occultatumquaestio5226 Now I want to see a steampunk klingon battleship shooting at aliens in the sky!

@CaptainSeato

9 ай бұрын

Klingon engineering may be bad, but not "F-35" terrible.

@igncom1

9 ай бұрын

@@CaptainSeato I knew someone would get salty over the F-35!

I’d love to see a nerdy philosophical debate between Starfleet’s Prime Directive of non-interference and Spider-Man’s “with great power comes great responsibility.”

@stardolphin2

9 ай бұрын

Technically that's "...there must also come great responsibility," but yes.

@Raja1938

9 ай бұрын

Spidey is native to, and lives within, the environment in which he operates. Prime Directive doesn't apply. If he traveled to an alien world and taught them how to make web fluid, then that's another matter.

@PreceptorGrant

9 ай бұрын

That's actually an interesting philosophical point. It could probably be argued that knowing when not to interfere is precisely an example of exercising responsibility, the two positions are not fundamentally incompatible.

@Optimistprime.

9 ай бұрын

Exactly. The responsibility not to mess up other cultures.

Something worth point out was that the prime directive can be suspended/has limitations: - when they received a call for help (Pen Pals. Every single time they responded to a distress call) - when a secret operation is sanctioned by the Federation Council or even just undertaken by a official secret agency of the Federation. - stuff like the Omega directive 9:40 No mention of "Who Watches The Watchers"? Picard was willing to die to undo accidental interference.

@Bruced82

9 ай бұрын

It also only applies to Starfleet itself, not to every Federation citizen. Lwaxana Troi pointed this out correctly to Picard once, when she interfered with Timicin and his people's forced euthanasia at 60.

@christopherg2347

9 ай бұрын

@@Bruced82 There was a Season 1 Episode, "Angel One" where Data pointed out: "Not only were they not beholden to the prime directive, removing them now would be a violation of it."

@FirstNameLastName-okayyoutube

9 ай бұрын

The Prime Directive is proven junk. They do an episode convining otherwise and ill personally stand on street corners petitioning they get all the emmies or whatever. The reality is the prime directive makes sense in a fever dream version of critical thinking. It ignores facts of concequences, it abandons the few reasons wortg considering as soon as it is not longer applied to post warp civilizations... It is a harsh responce to arbitrary conditions due to vague philosophical concepts. It adds evidence some higher being is projecting a form of functional retardation.

@xenn4985

9 ай бұрын

@@christopherg2347 yeah, seems like its a lot more well thought out and works a lot more often than people give it credit for. Seems like people only remember when it fails

@neodigremo

5 ай бұрын

In Drumhead Picard mentions that he has violated the Prime Directive 9 times in his career (presumably including the Pen Pals incident) and has been cleared of wrongdoing. Makes it seem clear that the PD does have exceptions that can be applied on a case by case basis.

The best example of Klingon interference on pre-warp worlds was in the TOS episode "A Private Little War," in which on the planet Neural, the Klingons provided a village with flintlock muskets and set them on the Hill People.

@tomhenry897

9 ай бұрын

And Kirk gave the hill people guns Start of a long war

@darkclawgreatonenas

9 ай бұрын

@@tomhenry897 Serpents...Serpents for the Garden of Eden...the only way Kirk had of restoring balance between the two peoples. probably didnt work, but still...

@bc64100

9 ай бұрын

simple i would have given the hill people tactical nukes

Apparently the very enlightened federation was never able to fine a happy medium between stopping planet wide apocalypses and subjecting people to brutal colonialism, despite being a post scarcity civilisation.

@FarseerOfCearath

9 ай бұрын

~ Looks at the Spanish conquistadors and Doctors Without Borders ~ "Same thing, pretty much." - The UFP.

@this.is.a.username

9 ай бұрын

@@FarseerOfCearath doctors w/o borders are not invading cultures that had no idea of the existence of the rest of the world. they would never go to the Sentinelese or random amazon tribes just because, even if they were hit by a plague.

@completelyferrouschemist6776

9 ай бұрын

Post scarcity doesn't mean post human nature.

@DeaconBlues117

9 ай бұрын

Oh, it wasn't just that - they wanted to make sure that independent civilizations could develop without having to confront the fact that they're surrounded by more-advanced aliens. Once you invent warp drive, the Directive doesn't (or shouldn't) apply, because you should _expect_ to find aliens at that point.

@GMorgan84

9 ай бұрын

There are two aspects to the Prime Directive. The first is non-interference. The second is if we are morally on the hook for every dying civilisation then all we will do is save dying civilisations.

They should have featured more examples of benevolently intended interference going wrong an early Trek. Like, a founding species of the Federation that did as much damage as the Klingons or the romulans while just trying to do good.

@seand.g423

9 ай бұрын

So... Vulcan on Andor?

@PreceptorGrant

9 ай бұрын

There's an episode of The Orville where they have a guest from a pre-warp world who keeps trying to take Union tech back home. The Union officers give just such an example of well intentioned interference having horrific results.

@johaquila

9 ай бұрын

@@PreceptorGrant Just one example of The Orville being the better Star Trek.

@braydoxastora5584

9 ай бұрын

They reasons they gave were poor tho. Since the reason they gave was that the technology would be hoarded despite them beyond resource limitations and thus could just flood the market with technology to prevent any monopoly

@Shapes_Quality_Control

9 ай бұрын

The Vulcan relationship with Earth seems like a case of this in Enterprise.

It's kinda weird how the Bajorans were never brought up in this video. They're basically the most prime example to why the Prime Directive exists.

@xyreniaofcthrayn1195

9 ай бұрын

er no the cardassian government would disagree it's true that the federation went ham for the bajoran wormhole and surprise surprise terok nor/ds9 was readily available to be liberated and repurposed to be up to federation standard and in the joint custody of bajor and the federation after handing bajor back to the kai council so whatever remains of the prime directive's applicability was noped thanks to the cardassion union.

@AzraelThanatos

9 ай бұрын

@@xyreniaofcthrayn1195 The Bajorans were already capable of interstellar travel by the time before the Cardassians invaded them, with the solar sail ship that could reach Cardassia Prime But neither the Federation, nor the Cardassians, knew about the Wormhole, and the Celestial Temple was largely viewed as a Bajoran myth. Considering everything else, the Cardassians kind of found Bajor to be the Afghanistan to their USSR there, and they got everything they easily could and left the Bajorans to handle the wreckage...the Bajorans brought in the Federation and the wormhole was found which created a situation where the Union couldn't just come back and take it back over

@xyreniaofcthrayn1195

9 ай бұрын

@@AzraelThanatos precisely and because of that the prime directive is null and void because the bajorans made contact with another species.

@kaitlyn__L

9 ай бұрын

@@xyreniaofcthrayn1195the directive still prevents interference in internal governments (this comes up multiple times in DS9 about meddling with Cardassia or Romulus).

@xyreniaofcthrayn1195

9 ай бұрын

@@kaitlyn__L the ufp don't interfere with member worlds's governments unless express threat to the federation's laws.

There was also Kukulkan from TAS. Kukulan was the last of an ancient serpent species who visited Earth's distant past & was instrumental in the technological and architectural advances of the Egyptian, Mayan, Aztec and South Asian civilizations. He was identified with the lore of Quetzalcoatl, as well as the legend of the Chinese dragon. Today this feel very "Ancient Aliens" problematic implications and all, though it was written by a Native American.

@Valavaern

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, if the Greek Gods can be ancient aliens, then other cultures getting a boost too isn't as problematic.

@AzraelThanatos

9 ай бұрын

The Q known as Quinn and the Sky Spirits are things there

@seand.g423

9 ай бұрын

​@@Valavaernit's not _really_ the "Ancient Aliens" vibe, it's too much of the staff not liking the implication that their inculcated Mediterranean (Ergot-munching, Lead-sipping) """paragons""" facing/needing the same, and same _sort of,_ interference as the tribes that were later fucked over on a buffet-choice of those supposed "ideals", so they just hide behind "becuz Ancient Aliens problematic, nvm who wrote it unless having them as writer make us look gud"...

@kaitlyn__L

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, ancient aliens is mostly problematic when written by outsiders because they underestimate the people they’re discussing. Internal legends and storytelling is kind of a different thing, despite surface similarities in core ideas. Like the writer of that episode said: if Roman gods get to be made real in the setting, why not also mine? Or something to that effect. Meanwhile, some modern Americans are doubting that real people built… early-1800s tunnels in Europe. Must be aliens. They just didn’t have the technology in 1810. (Even though clearly they did, because they exist.) And that’s a really good example, for western readers, of how it’s the angle and implicated insult which really matters.

@Jiub_SN

9 ай бұрын

Ancient aliens being problematic is goofy, yeah obviously ancient humans were as smart as we are, but they were far less wise. Saying that ancient aliens gave them tech isn't anymore problematic than saying books give children knowledge. Even though I think ancient aliens as a concept is also goofy af, I think discounting it because you don't truly understand the implications and think it's problematic is, well, problematic

For me it's not set in stone. But it's more about leaders thinking about the actions

@SuperGamefreak18

9 ай бұрын

That's my thoughts as well. The idea of the prime directive is to get the captains that visit these places to take CAREFUL steps and to not develop godhood or similar mindsets. My thought overall is the prime directive is a LONG list of rules and regulations that were the results of past experiments. The issues were when people started treating the directive like religion or really only caring about the cliffnotes about the directive. I also annoyed when people MISS that point about the prime directive.

@katakisLives

9 ай бұрын

And so I say to any creature who may be listening: There can be no justice, so long as laws are absolute. Life itself is an exercise in exceptions.- Picard.

The Prime Directive prevents Captains from being promoted to Admiral, but the Temporal Prime Directive (looking at you Janeway) gets you promoted to Admiral, especially if you violate it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@TheWhovinerd-1963

9 ай бұрын

Ohh goodness don’t talk to janeway about the temporal prime directive she absolutely hates it lol 😂

@jacara1981

9 ай бұрын

@@TheWhovinerd-1963 As she says "best to ignore it"

@the-wandering-knight9952

9 ай бұрын

Promoting her to a desk job was the quickest way to ensure she couldn't keep violating all those directives.

@johnburns9634

9 ай бұрын

I’m wondering about the link between The laws of robotics, mainly the zeroth law, and the temporal prime directive.

@stardolphin2

9 ай бұрын

@@the-wandering-knight9952 Now that you mention it, the same could be said of Kirk before V'Ger...

I look at the Voyager episode Distant Origin for the answer of the rightness of the Prime Directive. If someone had helped the ancient Voth on Earth, humanity would never have evolved certainly not in the form they did, and they wouldn't have been able to uplift whatever species are working in Cetacean Ops. The universe would thus be emptier with just the Voth around. It can suck in the moment and the TNG episode Homeward just had a terrible premise in that letting the entire biosphere collapse serves no one, but the Prime Directive is there for a reason.

@Optimistprime.

9 ай бұрын

Very, very well said.

@kaitlyn__L

9 ай бұрын

That’s kind of a (de)ontological argument though, in that humanity’s existence is predicated as both good and necessary. It’s an understandable argument to make given we are humans, but there’s nothing inherently better or worse about us versus eg the neanderthals. (Which is the alternate history idea Phlox invokes in that Enterprise episode.)

@rubaiyat300

9 ай бұрын

@@kaitlyn__L No, but that's partly the point. In saving the Voth you've almost certainly doomed humanity and more broadly possibly any other species that might have arisen in our place with the Voth still here or at least active for a longer period. Instead Earth was able to give rise to at least 2 space faring species (and possibly many more in the recent mammalian dominant era depending on how you interpret possible Cetacean Ops crew members). One can argue whether THAT is a good or necessary thing, but given the premise of Star Trek, and the Federation's adoption of the Vulcan edict of Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations I think it is an internally consistent one.

Chuck Sonnenberg of SF debris has a great rant about the Prime directive at the end of his review of: The Masterpiece Society. Not only does he explain how its supposed to work, but he also chews out both the shows creators AND in show characters for screwing it up. Its so good to hear.

The Prime Directive prevents whatever the writers of that particular episode decide. TOS had the balance right, with Kirk technically breaking it when common sense demanded it, like with the Organians (before knowing their true nature) and the Yonada asteriod as two examples. Spock even regards those decisions ultimately, as "logical". From TNG onwards in the vast majority of instances, it was applied like dogmatic nonsense, always based on the flawed argument of "you can't know the consequences" if you do decide to break it.

@Hartzilla2007

9 ай бұрын

"The Prime Directive prevents whatever the writers of that particular episode decide." Usually just so Kirk and co. couldn't just solve the episode problem in like 5 seconds.

@SuperGamefreak18

9 ай бұрын

If that was used AS the angle, that would be great, but yeah....like you said TOS had to right

@kertagin1

9 ай бұрын

taking it as in universe it prevents things like the scramble for Africa, the colonial empires, the wide spread famines that resulted in the application of European health care to peoples who had 15 kids but produced food for only 3 (the advances that prevented child mortality, with out changing the culture to accommodate the fact the kids lived past birth). giving knowledge to those not ready for it has proven to be generally destructive. the north American natives are facing cultural extinctions because the traditions of their culture no longer function as needed in the modern world. it gets worse the wider the disparity of cultures. sure it isn't a perfect ideal, but the levels of harm it prevents even limiting the question to real world scenarios is a vastly more moral outcome..... which therein lies its failure civilization does not function on morality

@SuperGamefreak18

9 ай бұрын

@@kertagin1 which was ALWAYS the point of the directive do captains take it to the extreme on occasion acourse but that’s not fully the directives fault

@dupersuper1938

9 ай бұрын

Strange New Worlds (and Lower Decks somewhat as well) has thankfully corrected this insanity.

That one episode of Voyager demonstrated perfectly what can happen to an alien civ that has any contact with a more advanced power before it's ready, it was that episode where they got trapped in orbit of a rapidly rotating planet, and the natives went from flitstones to First Contact in just a couple of days. While that would have been a perfect case of "The PD applies here" their situation meant they had no choice but to ignore it.

@stardolphin2

9 ай бұрын

And then there's 'A Piece of the Action...'

@Shapes_Quality_Control

9 ай бұрын

@@stardolphin2Best episode of Star Trek ever!!!😂

One issue with the Prime Directive is that by TNG, it has become like religious dogma and those such as Picard consider it sacrosanct.

@xp8969

9 ай бұрын

True, he treats it like a directive, a prime one

@dupersuper1938

9 ай бұрын

@@xp8969 To the point he and much of the bridge crew argue for sacrificing entire worlds to preventable natural disasters. There are TNG prime directive episodes that paint our "heroes" as flat out monsters. Give me the TOS/Strange New Worlds interpretation any day: if you see a pre warp planet about to be wiped out by an asteroid or some such you can obviously help. You do your best to help in secret, but you're not expected to offer empty platitudes while watching billions die on your viewscreen.

@FarseerOfCearath

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, they kind of went from "colonialism is bad" to "any outside influence whatsoever is literally worse than extinction". That's uh... quite the leap. Not to mention the uncomfortable Social Darwinism-esque subtext (or just _text_ in the case of that one Enterprise episode) which always sort of lingers in the background. If a civilization can't survive without help, they're apparently not _supposed_ to... Are we _sure_ Starfleet are the good guys..?

@this.is.a.username

9 ай бұрын

@@dupersuper1938 can you name those TNG episodes, i can't seem to remember any. Also, when in doubt, blame bad writers and not the characters.

@AzraelThanatos

9 ай бұрын

Considering the episode of Enterprise where they hint at coming up with it, well, that's not as big of a thing there

Another great vid, Ric! You got me thinking of how rich in plot-lines a show about the unknown planets and civilizations in the beta quadrant would be.

I think it makes more sense to interpret the Prime Directive as "YOU should not interfere with primitive societies". I think we can all agree that interference has such profound consequences that it should not be left up to the discretion of individual captains. I can imagine the Federation has a panel of xenoanthropologists and ethicists for years deciding whether or not to aid a particular primitive society, based on whether such a thing would likely do more harm than good.

Starfleet interferes simply by flying their fancy starships around, which have been occasionally picked up by pre-warp civs. First contact by Starfleet by soon to be warp-capable species, has also been disastrous on occasion. Whatever makes them sleep well at night, I guess.

My thought on this has been that we didn't really need a "backstory" for the Prime Directive outside the Enterprise prequel series, which definitely did a bad job in the episode that was supposed to address it. There were always two obvious scenarios for Case 0. One was that an accident or an idealistic intervention gave Federation weapons or tech to an undeveloped species that ended up destroying themselves. The other, in some ways more plausible, was that a warlike primitive culture got warp drive and became a threat to other planets and/ or the Federation itself. Which, when you get down to it, is as good an explanation as any for the Klingons.

Nice to see people finally doing videos on prime directive

I think the Iconians had a good approach, making contact and sharing knowledge when they were deemed ready for it. Those more prone to war-like tendencies didn't receive much help as it was feared even medical or agricultural technology would be weaponized

Thank you for your videos. You help me understand the Star Trek universes as someone who is a Star Wars super fan.

I always saw the Prime Directive as an outgrowth on the Federation as a science-philosophy culture, and that Starfleet existed for a long time as a scientific organization rather than a military one. Scientists observing nature will take pains to not interfere so they can get accurate data, even if that means the subjects die from circumstances the scientist is capable of saving them from. In this case, the Prime Directive, like most 'ultimate rules' has a dark side in that it allows Starfleet and the Federation an excuse for not saving civilizations and individuals they otherwise could have by citing non-interference. It's also why many Starfleet commanders of conscience knocked heads often with the more 'pure science' officers when they did interfere.

10:55 so that's I was feeling this presence when sitting on John ! ahahah Have a nice day mate !

It's a bureaucrat's solution to the problems of a complex universe. Thats why its so often ignored. To look at it another way: A Starffleet Officer's first duty is to the truth. The Prime Directive, by contrast, requires the perpetuation of ideas and myths that are objectively _untue_ for species who haven't crossed the arbitrary warp barrier. Comforting lies are held to be more important than harsh truths, because those poor benighted primitives aren't viewed as smart enough to handle them. That, I would argue, is its own form of colonialism-the monopolization of Truth by the metropol, instead of resources and finished goods. If cultural contamination is so consistently disastrous, then don't land in the first place. If you must land, then you certainly shouldn't set up duck blinds and study sapient people as if they were wildlife for months or years on end.

@stanislavkostarnov2157

6 ай бұрын

sorry, but the Warp-Barrier is the least arbitrary barrier there is... it effectively differs between universe travelers and those who are system-bound... it is also (being the speed of light) an unmoving parameter universe wide at least, in the broadest sense, FTL really is the vital step of allowing interstellar development

Ah those prime directive episodes are often tough lol. I too quite enjoyed the Nibiru sequence in Into Darkness. Thank you for another interesting episode looking at the directive from another side. God be with you out there everybody. ✝️ :)

The fact that the Romulans wiped out the Harkonins makes me chuckle. The writers know what they did.

Excellent video!🌟 I especially agree with you that it’s the Vulcans that gave the Federation its Prime directive. Usually for better, but sometimes for worse because it leads to standing by whilst a planet gets destroyed as we too often see in TNG, like in the episode “Homeward.” Or the various orders of idiotic admirals. See the Lorerunner for his indignant “ruminations” on that subject with which I agree.

@rubaiyat300

9 ай бұрын

Homeward was just a clunky episode with a terrible setup. I don't judge the Federation or the Prime Directive based on it just like I don't judge Dr. Crusher for the events of Sub Rosa.

Short on time but Picard also had 2 issues to tackle the prime directive. One was warfs human brother trying to save a people whose planet was about to be destroyed, and the other when an observation team was in trouble and he was being venerated as a god.

When writing work emails to multiple people and departments, I now begin them with "Hello All,". One coworker called me asking if I also watch your channel!

I remember a Voyager episode where an early 22nd century human probe try to give 20th-century-level humanoids the warp drive but they ended up using it as a weapon against each other.

@Loneguy22

9 ай бұрын

Yes Friendship 1. However as I remember the episode the devastation which occurred on that world wasn't due to a war. According to accounts from the period some Antimatter technology was used primarily for energy generation. At some point someone tried to do something which caused them to lose control of the reactors. In essence, it was a large scale Chernobyl style disaster.

@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459

9 ай бұрын

@@Loneguy22 Two centuries prior, Captain Archer drives that home when he told T'Pol that giving an early 21st century civilization the warp drive would be a terrible idea because they lack the know-how and the experience, antimatter is a dangerous thing.

Seeing STO footage is so surreal to me. Half the time it looks good, half the time it looks like Champions Online jank.

Very cool

the alien bounty hunter who tries to kill Mulder and Scully is a ROMULAN?!?!?!

There are a few episodes of the different Star Trek series which I believe would have definitely demonstrated the reasoning for the Prime Directive. In TOS there was a world on which a sociologist thought he could recreate the Third Reich without any of its depraved flaws. Needless to say the experiment didn't go accept to plan. In fairness same seeing was episode involving a world that had been heavily information by a 20th century crime novel, which was left behind by an Earth freightliner. Finally there's an episode of Voyager where they discovered a pair of Ferengi on a pre-warp world. The pair got stranded after going through a wormhole in an episode of TNG. They then used their tech to appear as prophesied deities and taught the inhabitants the Rules of Acquisition.

I kind of prefer a closer relation in canon to Stargate for the Greek gods than Star Trek gave us: _all_ the gods were interfering aliens, but not necessarily malicious, just... flawed. This is one of the reasons I really like Roger Zelazny's Lord of Light.

One thing to note...Starfleet has no problems with exploiting being on the *other* end of the equation--they find out a more advanced civilization was watching *them*, they're perfectly willing to yoink whatever they can from them. Kinda the Borg crossed with China, in a way.

@Raja1938

9 ай бұрын

Not really the same thing as the more advanced civ has the decision whether to share tech or not.

@rubaiyat300

9 ай бұрын

@@Raja1938 Though I would LOVE to find out there is some fabulously more advanced intergalactic (heck interdimensional) societies out there casually operating beyond detection that hide themselves and their entire societies because the Federation and its relative peers are deemed too primitive for contact. Not necessarily the various god aliens of Trek, those are usually petty showoffs and clearly DON'T have Prime Directives, but principled and aloof super science societies waiting for the current crop of sentients to be ready to join the actual big time.

@keit99

2 ай бұрын

Also the vulcans came to them once humanity had warp capabilities. Once a species reaches warp capabilities the federation starts first contact. And if they are successful there's also an exchange of Technologies.

Does anyone remember a video on this channel. It covered something about during the dominion war starfleet ordered extra production of defiant class vessel from 7 per year to 12 oer year . At utopian fleet yards. ?

oh yes General Order 1, also known as the Plot Devictive. joking aside, the Prime Directive is such a interesting case of irony when you think about it, like it's core concept is respecting pre-warp civilization's agency while actively disregarding it because they're "primitive people".

Ah yes the prime suggestion that every single starfeet caption breaks

The interpretation depends if the writers want to write a high minded philosophical episode, a rebellious heroic story, or an edgy 'leadership is corrupt' story. By Picard's time it has morphed into almost religious dogma like the Klingons morphed into a raiding/warring culture, through idealising Archer's self sacrificing gallows speeches. Voyager did it well by recognising that they were not seperate from anyone around them, that they should not refuse to help others for a distant ideology and Janeway holds the record for the most first contacts of any captain. Prodigy (my niece is going to be devastated if it doesn't get a second season) had an interesting take on first contact done right but still going very very wrong. The Federation did everything right, waited, assessed, talked, removed themselves when it went wrong but there was never anything they could have done right anyway. The Vau Na'kat were never going to take the existence of aliens well, they were convinced they were the centre of the universe and destroyed themselves because they couldn't undo that knowing (until time travel became an option).

Certain captains cross it when it suits them to do so, and hide behind it when they don't want to get involved. Like in TNG's Homeward.

Resulted in things like "The Picard", failed first contact in TNG, I think that's the name of the episode, and even if they just show up in a planet that is affecting the ppl of it

Hi Cert, you should be a Intergalactic Lawyer. Lol

What I always loved about Trek were discussions about ethics and morality. That might doesn’t make right. Though I disagree with the Prime Directive sometimes like allowing an entire sentient species to go extinct

I hate it when Star Trek is a slave to itself.

The history of the Klingons being enslaved by the Hur'q and overcoming them mirrors that of the Hish-qu-Ten (the ancestors of the Yautja) being enslaved by the Amengi before overcoming them.

i thought the haakonians where in the delta quadrant the species that had conflict with the talaxians and used the metreon cascade on the talaxian moon ?

To me, the Prime Directive is intended as a guardrail against colonialism and imperialism, diegetically a response to both the effects of those forces on human history as well as the early failures of interference in the pre-Federation era, and externally was also probably written in part as a reaction to the geopolitics of the cold war, which were rife with proxy wars, surreptitious funding of insurrections, and outright overthrowing of foreign governments in the interest of one superpower gaining an upper hand against the other.

I just realized that it actually makes sense that Klingon society didn't focus on war and combat until they got space travel and began conquering and exploiting other worlds and civilizations. No society can consist entirely of warriors, but once the Klingons could force others to perform non-martial duties for them, they could afford to become a warrior culture. Of course there are still Klingons who have other main professions besides being warriors, like the Klingon chef on DS9 and various lawyers and merchants that we've seen in the shows, as well as artists and craftsmen that have been mentioned occasionally, but the majority can now allow themselves to be warriors full time.

@Shapes_Quality_Control

9 ай бұрын

Also that Klingon scientist that may actually be the originator of a stable temporal drive seem at the end of Voyager.

The Prime Directive is not perfect, and some Starfleet captains can be a little too dogmatic in its interpretation, but overall, I think it's a policy that does far more good than harm, especially when you take into account the fates of species in less idealistic areas of space. The Federation may only be able to silently protect species in its own space, but that makes a difference to *those* species at the very least. If you want to see what a sci fi galaxy looks like without something like the Prime Directive, look at Star Wars. Slavery and exploitation run rampant, and the Republic, even the "holier than thou" Jedi, don't care. I know which Galaxy I'd rather live in.

@rubaiyat300

9 ай бұрын

Great call! I'd say Babylon 5 is even bigger. There, the most advanced species actively FORCE the lesser developed ones to fight interstellar wars that end in civilization ending destruction for their own ideological reasons. It's Pokemon on a cataclysmic level.

@Shapes_Quality_Control

9 ай бұрын

Say it with me folks…. Luke in TLJ was right!

Didn't archer implement it after a fluff up?

From which series and episodes are those images of Klingons in daylight?

@drewf41

9 ай бұрын

'Marauders' Enterprise S2E6. Its sort of a Seven Samurai, Magnificent Seven, style plot.

Didn't the Hur'Q also appear in the non-canon PS1 game Star Trek : Invasion?

Expedient conflict resolution

It should have prevented dealing with the bejorins, but someone made a mistake there.

the SNW example with Pike is technically not a prewarp civilization, thus general order 1 does not apply.

Hey, Rick!

My fav prime directive violation is when kirk is on the mafia planet and just gives up with the soft touch and just stunns 4 city blocks and tells everyone the federation is in charge now but they just want them to go back to before they decided to imitate the mafia

How come Starfleet never invented a neuralizer? I'll bet Section 31 did.

The thing I hated most about the new movies, was the part where Pike said they were forbidden from saving the planet because it would be a violation of the Prime Directive, regardless of if they were discovered or not, but in the original series, they did it all the time. Often on orders.

The episode where river gets exposed to the civilization that’s about to go to warp?

Yes, the Klingons gave more autonomy. The word for conquered species is jegh,pu'wu.

What's the source of the "uncaring if those worlds were already inhabited" assertion? Into Darkness was garbage and I include the opening scene in that until some one can give me a reason the Enterprise was underwater and not in orbit.

I've sometimes wondered if the Hurq were merely the Klingon's "gods" returning

@Shapes_Quality_Control

9 ай бұрын

Doubtful. The Hurq were thought to be nomadic raiders. The Klingon gods were said to have created the first Klingon who then slew them.

Look, I don't mind being spyed on, but if your gonna eat my chips you gotta replace them

oh no! not the harkonens! they're brutal!

I would like to see a followup video on how the Prime Directive effects the Federation's relations with other nations of equal, or greater power. While we see the Federation willing to ally or war with other powers they don't send diplomatic visits or really try to influence their neighbor's internal cultures. Perhaps if they'd exercised some soft power on the Klingon culture they could have become stronger allies before things became... awkward during the Dominion war. There's also the hypocrisy when they interact with civilizations (or their remnants) that were more powerful, like the Iconians, Precursors, or Q. If they really believed that cultural contamination was such a danger they should halt their archeological efforts, and stick their fingers in their ears when Q shows up.

@Raja1938

9 ай бұрын

Hyprocrisy with more powerful civs? Not the same thing. The UFP is making the decision to try to acquire advanced tech. The Iconians, Precursors, Q, etc. can decide to share or not share.

@PreceptorGrant

9 ай бұрын

I guess it's about relative power really. In the case of pre-warp cultures, the most careful of handling is appropriate, it's too easy to cause a lot of harm. In the case of spacefaring minor cultures, we can tell them we think they're wrong whilst still respecting their right to do as they please on their own worlds but we shouldn't ever bully them. With roughly equal powers like the Klingon or Romulan empires, a bit of interference is kinda fair enough to defend our own interests but we shouldn't be in the business of trying to bring about wholesale reforms. When dealing with superior powers, all bets are off, though we still hold ourselves to basic ethics.

@rubaiyat300

9 ай бұрын

Given Q's very first interaction was to put humanity on trial I don't think there is really any option of nonintervention. Heck, one could POINT to the Q and the various other meddling god aliens and say this is why we have the Prime Directive. Like where were the Organians during the Federation-Klingon War...uh the second one? Or the Dominion War?

Should that be Veridian 3 or Veridian 4 at the end? Four was said to be inhabited, but I guess given the the incredibly Earth-like M-Class-ness of Three, it's not inconceivable it's own sapient species could evolve eventually off the microbes from the D's hull... 🤯

My question is why did they force them to grow food if replicator tech is a thing?

@DarthSaggezza

9 ай бұрын

Maybe in some alien species they have replicators, but naturally grown food taste better. I can’t really answer that question. Isn’t more logical reason would be invading planet for their war machine. Grabbing, precious ores and minerals to construct more battleships. I can understand that part.

@tomhenry897

9 ай бұрын

Need an manufacture base for replicaters If all your food comes from a machine you can’t make or fix when it breaks you starve

@Shapes_Quality_Control

9 ай бұрын

Diversification is always a good idea for a healthy economy. Don’t believe me? Look at Venezuela basing its entire economy on oil speculation.

What, exactly, does the Prime Directive actualy mean. I mean it's constantly mentioned, but never worded.

Nothing because they all seem to ignore it

The god Emperor pulls up with the Imperium of man in the Star trek universe by by prime directive

PROGRESS!

The mission with the crystal egg Hurk temple has immages of Trek interfearance. You should show them off :D

@Shapes_Quality_Control

9 ай бұрын

K-13 couldn’t exactly help that though being lost in time thanks to Nakuul fuckery.

I don't know why, but I had previously thought that the Klingons had gotten warp technology from Pre-Prime Directive Earth.

@Shapes_Quality_Control

9 ай бұрын

Naw. The Klingon’s had already established their vast interstellar empire long before earthling space flight began.

@JubeiKibagamiFez

9 ай бұрын

@@Shapes_Quality_Control I have no idea where I got that idea from.... I thought it was the reason Federation and Klingons were fighting in TOS.

@Shapes_Quality_Control

9 ай бұрын

@@JubeiKibagamiFez I was scrolling through comments and someone mentioned something similar in regards to a very old Trek novel that’s non canon now.

@JubeiKibagamiFez

9 ай бұрын

@@Shapes_Quality_Control Yeah, that's where I got it from, then. I've never read any of those books, but a lot of the Trek videos I watched referenced the books, though.

NOTHING at all same as the Temporal Prime Directive both prevent nothing as seen by watching or playing anything to do with ST as its null and void when ever they feel like it.

Any other’s watching this and going, so how much of this UFO/Alien influence helped create this concept?

It's like horse stealing. It's so emphasized and severely punished because it's so easy to violate.

we see a good reason for the prime directive in the first episode of strange new worlds. A primitive race after seeing what discovery did makes a warp bomb instead of a wapr drive. And as it was mentioned by spock, every instance of warp technology has always been warp drive except for this. Basically interfering with a primitive culture that is not ready for interstellar travel is basically doomed to kill themselves if they get a hold of it early. Thats why the prime directive exists. The federation isn't looking for conquest but are looking to unite. The romulans and are about subjugation so it does matter. And the klingon's are all about battle so again doesn't matter.

Technically even if there is no intelligent life on a planet your still interfering with that planets Evolution cycle.

@masterpython

9 ай бұрын

Especially if you have some children and just abandon them

@emperorofscelnar8443

9 ай бұрын

@@masterpython That is one of them, the children left on an alien world are basically interfering with that planets Evolution cycle because humans on that planet are basically invaders that are interfering with alien Evolution on that planet.

@emperorofscelnar8443

9 ай бұрын

@@masterpython Yes when you colonize an alien world with no intelligent your are still interfering with that planets evolution cycle, you denying alien life a chance to become something greater or worse who knows but still your messing around with a planets evolution cycle we are foreigners invading a planet after all.

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The statement of the Prime Directive is very easy: Never do anything to anybody, FIRST! :)

The Romulan Star Empire sounds a lot like a currently existing empire hell bent on world domination at all costs.

Their survival

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@mariarahelvarnhagen2729

9 ай бұрын

I Really Like Your Immediate Direct Action

Prime Directive please follow dilligently at all times*. *exceptions may apply

Either Star Trek is A. A really clueless prediction of the future. B. Someone violated the temporal prime directive to bring us this show.

To prevent high tech given to low tech plants to keep them from blowing themselves up

if you were dying of small pox and an alien civilization was watching you and your kid die when they could easily helped are they moral

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Kirk interfering with that Stoneage people should of gotten him a slip-on the wrist not a chewing out.

@Shapes_Quality_Control

9 ай бұрын

Exactly!

It's there in order to get ignored when the plot demands it. Duh

Harry Mudd, that's why.

So the romulans aka the space romans subjugated the Celts

I still maintain the Romulans are the biggest bad in ST. More than Borg, Dominion, Species 8472 etc.

@pathevermore3683

9 ай бұрын

The Romulus are the Federation's palette swap.

Pike & Mariner: SCREW THE PRIME DIRECTIVE!