📣 Don't forget to check the follow up talk about Enterprise Linux on Flock, with members from Red Hat, Alma Linux, Rocky Linux and CentOS discussing about how to better work and collaborate with upstream: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dKSMmplmlbLXqcY.html

31:09 the most important part starts here

@fedora

9 ай бұрын

It was a great question.

Open Source should remain Open, always.

22:46 Redhat and RHEL chose deliberately not to be in the Desktop operating space. Redhat offers a workstation which is a very specific kind of hardware doing very specific kind of work, not general purpose Desktops. A very confusingly named Fedora-Workstation is a fantastic desktop

@fedora

9 ай бұрын

We definitely love our Fedora Workstation!

skip to 5:52 for the start of the talk.

@fedora

9 ай бұрын

Great advice, if you have the time, we'd love some help setting up chapter markers!

After many years of Fedora Linux, i'm considering switching to openSUSE Tumbleweed or Arch Linux

@fedora

9 ай бұрын

Both are great options and have a strong dedication to open source.

Copying is not theft ♪ You rent support, not sell OS ♪ Diff the value on that support ♪ IBM thinks we're dumb ♪

@fedora

9 ай бұрын

We are sorry you feel that waay.

@phylwx

8 ай бұрын

@rinnakuro I was trying to make the point "taking open code others did and then finding legal backdoors to obscure that code, instead of freely sharing it, as you initially agreed to, when you took OTHERS WORK to be able to make money for yourself" less confrontational.

@phylwx

8 ай бұрын

@rinnakuro good luck with your future-telling, I'm not interested in it. Also, try another translator your messages are confusing.

@GeoStreber

5 ай бұрын

Linux can never be closed-source, due to the GPL. @rinnakuro

Wow you guys are crazy.

The tone and condescending messages delivered here sound exactly like the "benevolent dictator" type referenced in the Discourse talk. Just left Fedora after ten years and watching this charade makes it completely worth it.

@fedora

8 ай бұрын

We are sorry you've had this experience.

*runs to OpenSUSE*

Very clear talk! Appreciate it very much. At 26:40 Brian addresses the copying and the reason for RH not to be OK with that. Hopefully people can regain any trust lost in these 'recent events'. Let's move forward together!

@amyparker8665

9 ай бұрын

RH destroyed any remaining trust with this talk...

@shib5267

9 ай бұрын

How's that red hat check looking ?

Fedora is the best Distro out there. People saying they are no longer using it or whatever are being paid to spread fud.

I used Fedora since Fedora 3, but after recent news from Red Hat/IBM, I have decided to leave Fedora, now I am on Debian.

@fedora

9 ай бұрын

We are sorry to hear that.

@Little-bird-told-me

9 ай бұрын

@@fedora Some decisions on part of Fedora seem confusing. Like in Fedora38 the support for Nvidia drivers was removed and users who upgraded from fedora37 to Fedora 38, were left with a black screen. While Arch has also done this before (the grub fiasco), they are a community project. But Fedora is part community and part paid by RHEL, so I expect better quality control. Upstream doesn't mean "fill in the gap" which what whitespace means

@see-sharp

9 ай бұрын

Same here, and i have convinced all my clients to stop using any distro Red Hat related. Debian is king now

@armanigoabek1709

9 ай бұрын

@@fedora We are sorry also to hear that. We will continue though

@ruicraveiro842

9 ай бұрын

Me too.

Very glad I decided to stop using Fedora and RHEL clones a while ago. Red Hat / IBM simply cannot be trusted to cater to hobbyists and communities, only for business customers. I'm much happier with Mageia, Debian and Alpine linux.

@fedora

9 ай бұрын

We are glad to see you are still dedicated to open source.

I'm sorry, I don't like to make comments that are not supportive but this guy is a cocky, pompous and arrogant and I wholeheartedly disagree with his corporate speak jibberish trying to justify RedHat's hostile behavior.

So mamy abject lies in this whole talk...and absolutely no shame. very saddening, fedora; steering had always been problematic, but these are some new lows

@paulogodinho3275

9 ай бұрын

IBM had NOTHING to do with, the company they bought for 34 billion, multiple changes of heart since the acquisition :^)

@fedora

9 ай бұрын

We are sorry you feel that way.

@amyparker8665

9 ай бұрын

@@fedora the first trick out of the manipulative book is to not apologize for what's been done but to apologize for how someone felt about what's been done If you want to be "sorry", either kick RH to the curb and get enterprises to individually get in, or get RH to revert their corporate decisions

@mysticbimmer

8 ай бұрын

@@amyparker8665 Completely agree. It's now embarrassing that I used Fedora for close to ten years straight. It's been uninstalled, I threw away any swag I had with the name or logo, and I would never recommend it to anybody.

People like you are the reason the information technology field needs regulatory organizations when it comes to the ethics of the profession. Doctors and lawyers would certainly lose their right to act if they did something as absurd as you guys are doing now. I'd love to use much more "colorful words" to describe the appreciation I have for Red Hat, but you don't deserve even that. Rest in pieces RHEL and Fedora...

@fedora

9 ай бұрын

We are sorry you feel that way.

@mikemcgrath8202

9 ай бұрын

If you find any code in RHEL that is not upstream or in CentOS Stream, please let us know - it's a bug. You seem to be angry about what the media told you Red Hat did and not what Red Hat actually did. We are still sending all of our code upstream, all of RHEL is available in CentOS Stream. Red Hat isn't keeping any code private.

Says alot when Fedora doesn't have an opinion about recent backlash against the action of RedHat and IBM. I've left Fedora as my goto distro because of your non-stance.

@kristiannyfjell8097

9 ай бұрын

"Alumni RedHat" @BenCotton. Nice comment, shouldn't have deleted it. It's kinda funny. When Richard Stallman got cancelled, Fedora jumped in. When RedHat decides to f* over the entire open source community; not a single peep from you guys. Just a single public statement saying that you "don't support these actions" would've been enough. I've been using Fedora since 2012/2013, and I've always recommended it for new peeps starting out on Linux. Now it'll be OpenSUSE or Debian.

@fedora

9 ай бұрын

We are sorry you feel that way.

@daimarstein

9 ай бұрын

@@kristiannyfjell8097 Not being the guy to defend billionaires and giant corporations, but a company doing bad business decisions and a man in position of power doing terrible things and having to face the consequences of his actions are NOT the same thing. Also it's funny to see people still talking about his "cancelling" as if he actually had to face any consequences. He's still in the same position of power, people just pretended nothing happened after a while. As it always happens in cases like this. Fedora as a community took the right stance in demanding he faced consequences.

@kristiannyfjell8097

9 ай бұрын

@daimarstein Calling out bad/shitty behaviour is the common theme. The reason it was important for Fedora to speak out on it (even just a small "we do not condone the actions") is because Fedora is outspoken when it comes to the OpenSource community. When IBM/RedHat decided to hamfist the OpenSource community, Fedora decided that RedHat is our papa, and we cannot criticise them. This displays you cannot trust Fedora to stand up against the tyranny of their Enterprise boss. It makes me chuckle when Oracle is trying to take the business of RedHat, like anyone in the OpenSource community trust them. Also, not that it matters, but everyone will remember Stallman's name with an asterisk. What he did will leave a stain on the legacy of fsf and the gnu project. I cannot say his name without a sour taste.

@kristiannyfjell8097

9 ай бұрын

@fedora Ben Cotton the "Fedora Program Manager at Red Hat", commented "Bye!" before quickly removing the comment. No, it seems you are not sad to see people leave.