Man, thermal is a powerful technology at about 10 yards. Total game changer at about 10 yards. If you don't have thermal at about 10 yards, you're gonna die.

@deebo9981

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, our favorite old woman guntuber, we love you hop

@breckfreeride

Жыл бұрын

Lol hop still hating that he has nv and not good thermal... It's causal. You can be bi. We all know you are! I am straight thermal!

@breckfreeride

Жыл бұрын

@John you're playing 5d chess!

Thermal Nova footage❤❤

@oteromason

Жыл бұрын

hotdog

@stevenkennedy4130

Жыл бұрын

@@oteromason Hahaa!

@Meeko1010100112

Жыл бұрын

The Dog Detector

@russellnewmexico1

Жыл бұрын

White/hot good/dog

I’ve been eyeing entry level thermals for a while so this is much appreciated. I had a feeling it wouldn’t be worth it without spending at least a rack, that seems to be holding true so far.

@christophergreen2892

Жыл бұрын

I've had a FLIR TK for a few years. It is handy for a quick glance to see what animal is causing trouble near the house without spooking them with a flashlight. I just took it while walking the dog tonight (75 degrees F) and found a deer standing at the edge of a field. At around 50 yards it is obviously there, at 70 yards it was the same color as the bush behind it. I could not see trees in another field 150 yards away. The cheap FLIR is not great for combat ops against people. It could be handy for small game hunting.

@Prodigysportsman

Жыл бұрын

What’s a “rack”?

@dogwalk3

Жыл бұрын

@@Prodigysportsman $1k

@Prodigysportsman

Жыл бұрын

@@dogwalk3 Ok. When and who invented that word to mean that?

@gmbb315

Жыл бұрын

​@@Prodigysportsman I've been hearing this since birth lol maybe a west coast thing?

I picked up one of the AGMs used recently, and it’s handy. I can keep an eye on my dog at night without turning on the floodlights, and can tell if she’s trying to get under the fence 100yds away. It’s definitely great for “hey there’s a thing over there”.

Something to keep in mind with any thermal sight is a usable vs a pretty picture. Drive your contrast down to accentuate hot objects such as people/animals. You dont need to see every bush and it is actually just adding noise/clutter to the picture. I see this all the time with new soldiers/airmen etc... It doesnt need to look good if you can see the human outline instead of every bush and rock.

My squad was issued 3 javelins back in 2003 but, the CLU was the star of the show. Man we used that thing soooo much. It was so dark at night due to the storm that our NVGs just did not work at night. You could not see an IR strobe 10 yards away.

@fathead8933

Жыл бұрын

The CLU was better than our Pas13s for our machine guns. Definitely a good observation tool.

@BrassFacts

Жыл бұрын

yeah I've heard similar stories. Kinda speaks to how badass the AGM is/was. Has such a good target pod it eclipse most units native observation equipment.

I’ve been using the Scout TK Marine ( no real difference other than color of the housing and it’s supposedly water resistant ) for several years while hunting. It has helped me recover 4 deer that would e been very difficult to track otherwise. We’ll worth the $512 that I spent on it. As far as it’s usefulness in a SHTF scenario? I’d say pretty handy, lightweight, decent battery life, and sees hot stuff out to a fair distance-so, pretty good. Is it a top tier thermal? By no means! Way better than human eyeballs? Absofreakinglutely!!

@chuckaule6292

8 ай бұрын

idk if brass facts was testing this device during day but that would make sense why it performed so poorly. At night its probably a different story cause everything is cooler and a persons body would stand out alot easier.

$600 Thermals < $6,000 NODs < $60 Parachute Flare

@masonsmith9619

Жыл бұрын

LMAO! Floodlight wins all.

I was just researching this topic last night. Glorious.

you never disappoint you can’t really find the quality you provide on the subjects you cover anywhere else on the platform

Really like the discussion of observational equipment. I live in a non permissive environment and my disasters are varied, so this sort of stuff can be applied relatively often. I look forward to seeing your next tier.

Great discussion. Thanks for your service for the prepared citizen community.

Appreciate your channel, helps me a ton. Thanks !

God damn Nova is cute even as a thermal dog shaped object. Such a good dog. I feel like you hit the nail on the head with this one, honestly. Thermal isn't so simple as you buy a FLIR and you gain some godly power.

It was cool catching you at one of my favorite shooting spots this week. Hope you’re doing well and I appreciate you stopping to chat. 👍🏻

I thought thermals would kill me, turns out the suction cups transition is what did me in

Good work you saved a lot of people a lot of money thank you

This is good information for preparing citizens.

Perfect timing I was just eyeing this thing

Great info, thanks dude. Subbed

Hop mustve sniffed out these inexpensive thermals for ya. Hahaha. You guys are great

@BrassFacts

Жыл бұрын

maaaaybeeee

It's definitely interesting to see the budget tier of budget tier thermals, especially since this would have been what I'd go for starting off lol

Thank you brass

The Iray RH 25 is nice once you get to the 640 micron level. Almost same size as a pvs14 and it can be helmet, handheld or weapon mounted. You can also get the international version the Pfalcon 640 from Canada for under $4k

@yzhou05

Жыл бұрын

The 640 # does refer to the sensor resolution (well one of the axis, RH25 is 640x512), and that’s measured in pixels, the bigger the better. The other important stat is “pixel pitch” or “sensor pixel size”, and that’s the one measured in microns, where the smaller the better to provide a smoother/more detailed image (current options seem to be 12-17 microns).

I have the even more garbage AGM 160, but it has actually helped me find coyotes on extremely dark nights. We had to use IR lights to find them with our PVS-14s. I'll definitely be upgrading

@bass779

Жыл бұрын

Outstanding summary by the way, save up for at least a 384 resolution

I bought the AGM for like 380 a couple years ago. Sold it after a few months. Neat but limited range and resolution. Cool to see thermal if you never have, I was following warm footsteps from my dog. It's getting very close to being affordable and useable.

"disjointed psychedelic pudding" and a halo ce ce reference in the same video. This us what im here for.

Looking forward to all your new optics reviews

Thanks i hate them both! You’re the most valuable asset us new guys have. nightline here i come!

Bought a Burris BTS35 awhile back and it is a great thermal!

“We’ve had to change everything because of thermals and it’s scary” -garand thumb

@masonsmith9619

Жыл бұрын

he’s talking about expensive, usually vehicle mounted, equipment

they seem super useful for detecting sneaky beavers peeking out of one of the hundreds of demolished apartment building windows

@BrassFacts

Жыл бұрын

barely. you'd get a lot of false positives.

man even at the ~$1000 price point its still a tough choice based on the cost/ benefit scale. but i can certainly see the value in it, and the cost is almost there, i bet in a few years itll be down close to $500 and then it would be something i can really start to consider.

What a coincidince, I literally just ordered the AGM this morning.

Youre a goober. Thanks for the video dawg

Interesting topic.

Own the AGM. It offers much more in a semi urban or rural setting than what you've shown here, but all your points are totally valid. It's not a replacement for higher level gear. It's an awesome supplementary tool though and well worth the price tag in my opinion. Fits in a pocket, simple, and can sync to a phone if you don't want to broadcast your own position. I've gotten just over 8hrs on one battery charge, so it's not great but it's not terrible compared to say an Eotech lol. Did you know the AGMs are helmet mountable? Would never recommend they're used in place of NV, but they did put the mounting threads in the perfect spot for attachment to a j-arm, same stand off as a PVS14. Picture is canted though. Great video, accurate info. They can be valuable in the right circumstances, they have limits though. Cheers.

I have a HikMicro Lynx Pro LE10 ($720 AUD), as a tripod mounted spotter, if held steady it seems to work quite well to detect people and animals out to about 200-300m and vehicles much further out, as for Identification, I use a Pard digital night vision clip on (IR Illuminator OFF, ambient light only) mounted to a spotting scope.. While not "Tacticool" certainly beats the Mk1 eyeball in the dark...

I had to check this out because I actually have a TM10-256, definitely a good review for it to compare the FLIR scout...which I almost bought and I'm now glad I didn't 😅 I also do have a PVS14 which I upgraded from a sionyx aurora which is a budget digital NVG unit but it's definitely a world of difference....and now I'm a broke cool guy😂, I recently had the opportunity to use a skeet x and a voodoo s thermal units, both are in I think the $7-$8000 range, I understand now that I probably need to become a professional lottery winner to ever acquire one of these units, but they're definitely the most dope thermals I've ever looked through !!!

The beast !

The last image from that agm was such a good doggo

Picked up a Flir Breach a couple of years ago when it was still under $2k. Found it to be a good (not great) mid-level device. Does a decent job and it's tiny compared to most others. It's smaller than a PVS-14. Maybe you can compare it to iRay ML19. iRay has slightly better res, but slower refresh. Both are selling for around $2,500 right now.

@thejohnhend

Жыл бұрын

The Iray RH 25 is nice too. Almost same size as a pvs14 and it can be helmet or weapon mounted. You can also get the international version the Pfalcon 640 from Canada for under $4k

@investigativeoutcomes9343

Жыл бұрын

@@thejohnhend the rico micro 640 is pretty slick.

I got the last 4 Torry Pines Logic T20 mini thermal weapon sights on the internet last year. they have the shit refresh rate of like 9 hz and only 80x60 resolution, BUT they come with OPTICAL zoom from 25-10 degrees. That is about 8MOA per pixel when at full zoom. not so good for shooting fast moving targets but at close-ish quarters (150 yards and under) it will cut through dust/ smoke and highlight hot spots in very dark situations with no supplemental light. They work pretty darn well at night or in the cold. And you can take a shot at a stationary (or nearly stationary) target. I like to slap them on my subsonic suppressed guns.

I have a maritime FLIR, very similar to this. It taught me to never rely on a rechargeable battery.

@JackTGreat

Жыл бұрын

edited for clarity

Man your timing is impeccable. I have been on the the fence for the past few weeks on getting a sub $1k thermal monocular. Point taken. Will be saving my caps and get a PVS14 from Nightline…. It’s going to take me a while to get there. Anyone want to buy a hardly used 2nd Gen POF P-415? Hard to let go but my preban colt is coming with me to my grave. Appreciate the Nova SuperDog glowing eyes footage. I was was hoping to spot the thermal signature of a fresh doggie deuce but I guess you are not as deranged as the rest of us. I’ll be flying to your area in a few weeks for a funeral. Mom is from WY and family in UT. Need anything from Hawaiistan lmk. Aloha 🤙🏽

@EeZ3-808

Жыл бұрын

And PS: would be cool to meet Nova….. and you I guess. 🤙🏽

I picked up an AGM Taipan 10-256 for like $499. The detection range is around the 500 meter range, which is further than I'll see with thermals where I live. And its a true 1x. Works fine mounted side by side with a PVS14. Obviously, you get what you pay for, but take your use case and environmentals into account. You really dont need to spend $3.5k on a thermal unit.

Time for the the weeklyish dose of brass facts therapy!

AGM Adder ts35-384 is hands down best bang for the buck thermal sight.

FLIR (thermal) in general is overestimated. Even in SAR missions, with a high end device, it is NOT easy to track something unless you already have a clue of where it is. I`ve seen freaking CD_ROM being spotted from 2.5NM on the jungle canopy, and at the same time a group of 5 hiding under the cover of the thick jungle (and we knew where they were at), staying unnoticed for hours.

@BrassFacts

Жыл бұрын

yeah. The numbers I've seen on nicer units are a serious overestimation and perfect scenario (cold backdrop). In reality it reminds me of range finders. Go ahead and take 30% of the listed performance off the top.

I like how the image from the flir looks almost like a film filmed in the 1920s

Thanks you saved me from a crappy BDay gift for myself

I really like your delivery style, We'll played, Sir

These things work great with the blue tooth you can put them on a pole and observe from cover... Drones and aircraft with the sky as a backdrop stick out like a sore thumb... Not perfect ID but you know they are up there.

the infiray t2 pro is pretty amazing, way more clear than the lower end ATN stuff. Just cram the phone in a juggernaut case.

Would love to see a Brass Facts style comparison of identification & detection of the same image between NV and thermal. If your naked eye was better then the thermal, id imagine NV would be outrank someone’s eye or budget thermal in object identification at 2-300 yards.

Modern vehicle mounted thermals are pretty amazing, and also like 150-350k for a modern set up, so out of price for anyone but the DoD and DHS. Some you can see a small boat at 10nm in almost total darkness, or very clearly see folks 1-2m away in dense terrain. Used a lot in another time of my life on boats. But there are essentially no good hand held units, especially at a reasonable price point for normal people. I think night vision is a much better option for the armed prepared citizen, as for

This is easily my favorite channel, no bullshit, good info, and just the right amount of 🅱️ased

RH25 micro is the way. I love mine and totally worth 7k

A friend from my group has a luepold lto, and for the price, that thing was great. Of course they don’t make it anymore

I have the AGM TM-160 which is usable but has a pretty short range and low res. can detect a human size target around 150ish yards. I also have a FLIR OTM-236, range is MASSIVLY better. I can see helos off on the horizon with it. both are around 2x native the flir is heavy doesn't come rechargeable and eats CR123's by the half dozen. but its way better for the upgrade. ultimately if you are serious you need the ability to rifle mount thermal otherwise you just see threats and have no way to engage the threats.

This vid saved me some money. Thought it would be a cool gadget to help me spot wild life around here, but it is under whelming to say the least… that really looks like it’s best use is to find wet spots and cold bridges around the home :((((

Interesting. I have an AGM something or other, and find it's a game charge compared to naked eye. But I don't have nods as a point of comparison, and maybe the woods in western Pennsylvania are a different scenario than desert.

Obviously budget thermals aren't there yet but its exciting to see how much more available and cheap this tech is becoming

@Chretze

10 ай бұрын

I just learned about Pixfra, they offer a line of devices with the same sensor as the agm tm10-256, same resolution but at about 400 bucks. No idea when they officially launched their product but it seems to have happened after this brass facts video was released. Which in turn means that very soon for the price of that agm tm10 we will be seeing devices with even higher resolutions and so on. Crazy how fast this stuff develops.

Bumping mostly because I want to make sure you've heard about the upcoming L+S ELCAN competitor

@BrassFacts

Жыл бұрын

I have.

@Slivyr

Жыл бұрын

Elcan competitor? I haven't. Share with the class?

@gulkash1188

Жыл бұрын

@@Slivyr don't know a lot beyond what was teased about it on InRange in the recent Q&A where Karl had the guys from Lead and Steel on. They said they have one in the works, along with an enclosed pistol dot and some prismatic stuff.

@Slivyr

Жыл бұрын

@@gulkash1188 ooh, I'll have to check it out. A cheaper Elcan would be god-tier. I hope they pull it off.

A month or so ago some random optics company decided they were done making thermals and fire sale'd their "ThermX HS1" for $200 - it has the same 160x120 9hz sensor as that Flir Scout TK...feels like a much more appropriate price

I’m gonna get a Bering optics phenom one of these days, image quality if pretty good for the money

thermal is next on my list, has been for a while but damn its expensive.

The AGM would be kind of cool to test out in a marine environment, it would probably perform better also. Might even be able to use it for pond, lake, or river rescue type stuff. Plus it's only $600 so if you drop it in the drink, you won't be as heartbroken.

@investigativeoutcomes9343

Жыл бұрын

that's what flir was made for, offshore use.

Review the Jerry CE5!

I really hope you get one of the new holosun thermal optic/ reddot thingy I really want to know your thoughts

Spend more money if you want something effective. Copy that.👍Thanks. I didn’t know any better. Before this video, I would’ve regarded anything that said “Flir” on the side of it to be decent.

it highly depends on the temperature of the surrounding. at 10 degree you will find plenty good small game with a 256 sensor. even the scout is better than nothing.

15:40 that doggo over here looks like it’s has its eyes censored like an actual military operative. Looks sick as hell. Good doggo

Comparing thermal sensors is a nightmare, even by data only. Manufacturers dont publish everything and use different measuring standards. Really frustrating

I think I’m just going to get a handheld monocular thermal. One that see’s a couple/few hundred yards where I can see if something is walking on two legs or four. I own decent NV so I feel like if I can see something with the thermal from further away then I can flip on the NV and try to identify.

Imagine if these had a limited, 1-5min, reusable (rechargeable) cooling system. Maybe c02 canisters cooling a heatsink on the sensors? At these prices, someone should try to jerry rig one and find out. 3D printed co2 holder, lightweight, properly sealed, and with a good trigger for cooling on-demand... I think detection would be at least twice as good.

End of the day, save your money and get the good stuff

Thermal, like NV, is a pay to play world, bro. You’re spot on with your comment of don’t spend dough on budget thermal. Save up and get yourself a BAE core device sold by Trijicon or N-Vision. They’re game changers. I can literally see the arteries in your chest through your t-shirt from 300yrds away. Pew pew! #cheatcode

Just wondering damn i need some good content to watch in the shower and BAM BF uploads thanks g

3:30 id take a rock sample... There's gold in that.

@impactodelsurenterprise2440

Ай бұрын

How do u tell

@breckfreeride

Ай бұрын

@@impactodelsurenterprise2440 lots of ways!

Commenting on the video for the algorithm

Video begins at 3:00

I hope you look at some of infiray's products

A grade Guntoober, but the A is for Ass facts.

The thermal tail wag

You should have turned on the green arrow thing on the agm bro.

*HALO COMBAT EVOLVED*

I have tested the FLIR Scout in the suburbs and it works better in that environment. Better but not great. I can watch foxes 2-3 blocks away in the early morning hours when they're hiding in the shadows. So it might not be great for reconnaissance but it would be useful for detection. It would beat giving your position away with a flashlight. So, I wouldn't turn one down if it were free or 50% off, but I wouldn't buy it again.

@Kungfookenny3008

Жыл бұрын

I wonder how'd they work in an urban environment. This would be perfect for me, since I really only need max 100 yds sight line where I live.

New Sightmark thermal scope vids hit yesterday. 384, 50 hz. $2k.

@BrassFacts

Жыл бұрын

that's a not so good sensor sadly.

Entry level anything is going to be limited in one way or another. My $4000 thermal unit still has limitations. I can detect things at long distances but the objects aren’t identifiable at times. But 100-200 yards is basically a piece of cake with the right thermal. Save up your money and get a better setup.

I want a 4K thermal

FLIR… the Atari of thermal imagers

note to self, thermals suck in the desert unless it's cold AF out

Id love to see a similar video, but with the spotter looking for a hot barrel instead of just human heat

@BrassFacts

Жыл бұрын

the barrels vanish pretty quickly. Suppressors are a bit better. But overall they're such a tiny size relative to the distance they sorta vanish really quickly.

@tajasne

Жыл бұрын

@@BrassFacts probably. Ive heard chatter from ukraine about people succesfully using small handheld thermos to locate a hidden shooters locations based on gun heat signatures, but I have not been able to verify if these were actually true nor get info on what kinds of handheld thermos did the trick. Thats why Id love to see real life examples!

Neat

I think the desert is probably gonna have problems like this with thermal no matter how high you go on price. Id be verry intrested in seeing how these stack up in a forested environment

@Chretze

10 ай бұрын

definitely. Trees / anything green stays much cooler so anything warm blooded sticks out with much more contrast. I have an old caterpillar s60 phone with an 80x60 pixel thermal sensor built in and I use it to spot birds and deer in the woods, the range and resolution aren't really good enough to make out what kind of animal you're seeing, but the contrast to see if something is there at all is definitely sufficient. Meanwhile Pixfra is offering devices with the same resolution as that AGM to10 256 but starting even lower at 400 bucks, so I imagine those devices work orders of magnitude better in the woods. The desert really seems to be the worst case scenario for thermals, best case is therefore probably anything with snow.

I’m having a hard time deciding between the new tad to have a semi fusion google or have a dedicated thermal with better performance

Brassfacts Friday.

Thermal or NV if on a budget for something nice in each category? Im looking into the iRay RH25 and wondering if i would be better off with a NV set up for that cost?

I know I’m late on this but what thermal device were you looking through at the end?