What are the Best REAL Driver's Cars?

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If you're selecting a vehicle for track days, a potential race car build, drifting, or just training and general sustained hard driving, then this guide is for you. Join us as we take a look at the criteria that determine whether a car will perform well over a prolonged period of time, and give you the best chance of success whether you're looking at getting into rally or some other motorsport.
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  • @Shakshuka69
    @Shakshuka694 жыл бұрын

    This channel is such a treasure trove of information that gets overlooked for not being overproduced drivel with obnoxious thumbnails.

  • @Teamoneilrally

    @Teamoneilrally

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hey, thanks for the kind words!

  • @Harv917

    @Harv917

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Teamoneilrally Please don't change

  • @Vorgto

    @Vorgto

    4 жыл бұрын

    This. Never change.

  • @tommyvercetti6035

    @tommyvercetti6035

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Teamoneilrally Wyatt definitely has a teaching style that works!

  • @sashar.s3497

    @sashar.s3497

    3 жыл бұрын

    You could say this channel is more of a danish

  • @capnvariance
    @capnvariance4 жыл бұрын

    I really wish they made Honda's like they did in the 90s

  • @jameshaulenbeek5931

    @jameshaulenbeek5931

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yep. Late 80's through late 90's were their best years.

  • @pianoman3214

    @pianoman3214

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@jameshaulenbeek5931 until takata years i reckon, in australia some of these cars are going to be banned from being registered

  • @jameshaulenbeek5931

    @jameshaulenbeek5931

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@pianoman3214 not even anything to do with that. Some of the platforms they came out with after that were just garbage. 2001-2005 civic 2002-2008 accord After those years, those models got a bit better, but that's when they really tried to cheap out on manufacturing costs.

  • @capnvariance

    @capnvariance

    4 жыл бұрын

    I say when they went to rear sway bar and macpherson struts is when I lost hope in hondas

  • @da_jeezuss8922

    @da_jeezuss8922

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@capnvariance Dual wishbone suspension was the best. Trading low torque and high revs for more torque with lower revs was understandable at the time, but they just aren't as fun.

  • @pyric
    @pyric4 жыл бұрын

    This is just good general car enthusiast buying advice we all could use hearing

  • @richharr

    @richharr

    4 жыл бұрын

    Pyric so true, I wont listen but your right

  • @Argonaut95
    @Argonaut954 жыл бұрын

    Based on 10 years experience as a high perf driving instructor on tracks around the northeast, here are my thoughts: 1) Most common trackday cars by far: Miata (all), E36, C5 & 6. To lesser extent Fiesta, Focus and VW hatches. Price, parts support and reliability all contribute to popularity (along with the driving fun of course) 2) popular but seem to be really fragile are the Subaru’s - they break far to often compared to above. An interesting observation considering O’Neil rallies them...? 3) The FRS sibs are a more recent addition to track days and so far so good - they seem to be holding up really well and are a great driver’s car 4) my track day only car of choice is an Ariel Atom SRA: $30K used, zero driver’s aids (even steering and brakes are manual), ~1400 lbs, honda drive train, 1 set of tires and pads per year, rotors ever 2 years. Literally put gas in it and drive. Virtually no maintenance.

  • @nomadtrails

    @nomadtrails

    4 жыл бұрын

    one possibility here regarding #2 is that a lot of track-driven Subarus are highly boosted, whereas the Oneil fleet is likely mostly na, and definitely not highly modified in the power department.

  • @LawrenceTimme

    @LawrenceTimme

    4 жыл бұрын

    The 2.5 with a turbo sucks basically. Here is the UK and over in Japan we have the 2.0l and it's miles better for reliability. The main problem with Subarus is the rust. On mitsubishis the rust is even worse as well. I don't know if it would be allowed, but if you are in the USA and your sti needs a new engine, you should seriously consider getting a 2.0l turbo with the twins roll turbo from Japan. If you give it a mild remap and set the limiter to 7k it should be rock solid.

  • @k24hybrid

    @k24hybrid

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing 👍

  • @FCCommunist

    @FCCommunist

    3 жыл бұрын

    Been (no perf) driving a BRZ for 7 years now, excellent balance as a driver’s car and a daily. Weight is spectacular, reliability is solid. Half-decent tires and a touch more power goes a LONG way!

  • @chipsutcliffe7110

    @chipsutcliffe7110

    3 жыл бұрын

    Many Spec Miatas are here on the west for drivers as a first step out of karting. About 10k for a safe race ready car. They're great for learning the skills needed for your Ariel Atom.

  • @rishishankarr3917
    @rishishankarr39174 жыл бұрын

    Miata might not be a rally car but it is a real Driver's car for sure

  • @BigGroupHug

    @BigGroupHug

    4 жыл бұрын

    Some competitions will only let you rally your Miata if you weld in a roof in addition to the normal cage. Even with a lift kit, they feel gutless in the mud.

  • @richharr

    @richharr

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, any stage rally, rules state must have come from the factory with permanent roof. I have a v8 miata, great car and tons of fun. Cheap vw golf or b5 a4, wreck it, leave it where it lies and repeat

  • @mihaianton7645

    @mihaianton7645

    4 жыл бұрын

    Also, a Skoda Fabia might be a good option.

  • @tolga1cool

    @tolga1cool

    3 жыл бұрын

    Oh there are plenty of Miata rally cars out there

  • @aygwm

    @aygwm

    2 жыл бұрын

    Too old, for this guy apparently. Doesn’t stop literally thousands of Miata drivers though.

  • @richardtickler8555
    @richardtickler85554 жыл бұрын

    at 24:00 he basically sais "go mental its a rental" about his own cars

  • @ezsjolander

    @ezsjolander

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes, but they build that into the price they charge :)

  • @rohithnaik123
    @rohithnaik1234 жыл бұрын

    Amazing coverage, truly useful conceptual advice is rare on KZread.

  • @patonbike
    @patonbike4 жыл бұрын

    At the 5k mark... Old 5speed subaru. 2005 is one of the best NA years. Drive by wire(ECU Flash capable), No AVLS, return fuel system. Super easy to work on, cheap parts. LSD's readily available. No traction control.

  • @nabox1435

    @nabox1435

    4 жыл бұрын

    Why wouldn’t you want AVLS? I love my 2006 5 speed Impreza 😢

  • @ColoradoStreaming

    @ColoradoStreaming

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@nabox1435 I have a 2006 5 speed NA Impreza as well and that thing loves to pull to redline. Literally everyone that has driven it comments how fun it is to drive. Everyone describes it as "Zippy" lol.

  • @tubbs2132

    @tubbs2132

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah I got an '06 outback and pretty much nothing happens before 4k. Sort of like a Honda, slow as hell and then it kicks in and gets a little more respectable

  • @11streetdog
    @11streetdog4 жыл бұрын

    Wyatt should be doing car reviews for world-class magazines and automotive media. Great info as always👍

  • @BaioWithMayo
    @BaioWithMayo4 жыл бұрын

    I like this with the exception of age. while I know logically it makes sense to go newer, the simplicity that comes from older rides (like a 90s miata) is just invaluable when something does break. What I look for is a good running engine and no chassis rust (body rust is fine its getting dented anyway) and everything else i can fix. This is anecdotal, but I had a corvette 09 that had an airbag sensor go bad during cold weather only. Thats just a pain that wont appear in something simpler like a miata. If you are comfortable working on cars, or are looking to get comfortable, I still highly recommend going old, cheap and simple since hard driving in whatever you are hooning in is gunna cause damage over time. THEN move on to bigger stuff, newer stuff, or simply more complex cars with your basic mechanical knowledge gained from an older ride. if you arent interested in working on your own stuff though, for sure go as new as possible with what you can afford, so you can beat on it every day

  • @NSXTypeRGTRLM
    @NSXTypeRGTRLM4 жыл бұрын

    Basically he's laying out a Jalopnik Nice Price or Crack Pipe in plain language.

  • @williamcooper1023
    @williamcooper10234 жыл бұрын

    I got into rallycross last year. I was looking for a budget car. I found a 99 legacy gt 5spd for 700 bucks. I put some new struts on it and a skid plate. I have been beating on the car for over a year now and haven't had any issues surprisingly. and it has been really competitive in stock awd class.

  • @Teamoneilrally

    @Teamoneilrally

    4 жыл бұрын

    Really good way to go, they're solid cars that are often overlooked.

  • @lordthicknipples-gt2oq

    @lordthicknipples-gt2oq

    10 ай бұрын

    A Legacy GT for 700 dollars? Where the hell did you find such a deal? The mystical land of 3 years ago?

  • @johnnyturbo8460
    @johnnyturbo84604 жыл бұрын

    I texted with you about a month ago on here about this. I was asking about the Fiesta 5spd vs the 2003ish ford Focus SVT... i went with the 2014 Ford Fiesta SE thanks to much of what you are saying here and I'm glad I did. THANKS BROTHER. It's all set up now for the rallycross season

  • @Teamoneilrally

    @Teamoneilrally

    4 жыл бұрын

    Awesome!!! Yeah that's a solid call, glad it worked out for you. Not breaking/stripping any nuts and bolts alone makes it worth it!

  • @johnnyturbo8460

    @johnnyturbo8460

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Teamoneilrally very true. Its been a blast getting it ready for the season. Thanks again

  • @shouldbeasy9721

    @shouldbeasy9721

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@johnnyturbo8460 5 speed was crucial - the Fiesta (and Focus) automatics are crap!!

  • @johnnyturbo8460

    @johnnyturbo8460

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@shouldbeasy9721 yup, very true.

  • @thomberg8091

    @thomberg8091

    3 жыл бұрын

    Fiesta SE are so reliable but the rear suspension is a bit too smooth. Nice to see someone who doesn't think Fiesta are crap.

  • @Ratboycure
    @RatboycureАй бұрын

    i have an o4 blobsti ideal for canadian mountain life spirited and willing in the snow and dirt... the rust is a constant battle is the biggest issue. nearing a decade of ownership reasonably satified. 7/10

  • @TopiasSalakka
    @TopiasSalakka4 жыл бұрын

    I'm probably getting a Lexus IS200/Toyota Altezza. RWD, manual, some have an LSD, and enough power for me. Also very reliable.

  • @SonoftheBread
    @SonoftheBread4 жыл бұрын

    Any year Honda Fit/Jazz is a great little hatch honestly. Decent performance numbers (for what it is), light, manual, some trims have LSDs (aftermarket ones are available), good MPG, cheap, and pretty sturdy for the most part. There's even a Honda Fit Spec racing series that's pretty entertaining to watch. I've seen one in Autocross that was hanging with Miatas and well built BMW's. Wheels and tires are fairly small which help cut costs too. I don't know how good the aftermarket is for them but thankfully they're fairly simple to modify for most things on it and some of the more popular engine options have good aftermarket support. And hey, VTEC bro.

  • @RebeccaCampbell1969
    @RebeccaCampbell19694 жыл бұрын

    I raced RWD V8's in the 80's and 90's in both 1/4 mile and track... I drove an AWD Porsche Turbo... And now I am racing a Mazdaspeed 3... And I don't see any being better, a good driver adjusts... AWD is faster but leaks more power than the other two... RWD is fun to control under steer and oversteer with power more than just speed vectors, and it has a minor power leak... FWD is more forgiving yet faster than the RWD, leaks less power than the other two and if Mustangs are fun at launch so is the torque steer of a 400+ bhp FWD Buying a sports car has some advantages, the oem suspension and springs are more solid than the same regular sedan or hatch so you can leave that to upgrade till last. Also the engine platform is better than a regular version with smaller size engine. The rest, starting with tires, is probably the same... A regular Civic from a Mustang. Handling -> tires.... TIRES! Upgrading springs with out the best tires is nonsensical. Brake pads are super important, I haven't seen a stock brand which is anything but mediocre, all brands! And the driver is the most important part... Can anyone here remain cool when a "fast car" revs up and launches at a light on the street? No? Then you shouldn't be driving a fast car at all... Cool mind, calculations, risk assessment.... The more the better.

  • @000642057
    @0006420574 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much for doing this video. Super informative and helpful

  • @adamelhassan8818
    @adamelhassan88184 жыл бұрын

    Oh and thank you so much guys your lessons are amazing and I've improved so much I beat a 535i with a crv and I hope that in a few years I'll be able to fly out and take the whole course, keep it up guys your amazing!!

  • @petar-boshnakov
    @petar-boshnakov4 жыл бұрын

    I love your videos, The information and insight that you share from driving techniques to decision makings is amazing. And you explain in a straightforward and understandable way!

  • @Teamoneilrally

    @Teamoneilrally

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Petar!

  • @markthibault8579
    @markthibault85794 жыл бұрын

    It's a real bummer that Ford has decided to stop selling cars (other than the Mustang) in North America. The new Fiesta ST looks very cool and comes from the factory with a mech LSD.

  • @szaka9395

    @szaka9395

    4 жыл бұрын

    W8, was not Ford an USA producer? You cant buy a Ford Focus in USA? xD

  • @markthibault8579

    @markthibault8579

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@szaka9395 The Mustang is the only car that Ford will sell in Canada and US for the 2021 model year going forward.

  • @thedreadedgman

    @thedreadedgman

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@szaka9395 they are losing money on CARS but selling a lot of TRUCKS in USA

  • @kelevra558
    @kelevra5583 ай бұрын

    Dude my '98 audi A4 with the 1.8t and a 5 speed manual transmission has been the absolute best privateer stage car ive ever owned. Ive done quite a bit of work to get it where it is but, it was all cheap and it completely changed the car. All in i own the thing for $4800. Its fully set up and squared away. I threw every factory vacuum/ventilation, safety, electrical, and cooling component in the garbage to start with. I did a haltech elite 1500 stand alone ecu. It has a catch can and 3 vacuum lines. It has the factory exhaust manifold i cut up and welded a 3 inch vband to. I went to an externally gated gtx35 gen 3. It has totally custom Qa1 based coilovers, spherical suspension bushings, billet aluminum subframe bushings. It has 2006 rs4 brakes, certified roll cage, very significant weight reduction. The engine internals are bone stock. The differentials are bone stock and AMAZING. The axles are bone stock and invincible. The transmission is bone stock with a short shifter, twin disc clutch, single mass lightweight flywheel. The car weighs 2760 lbs with me in it and im 6'5 240 lbs. She also makes 324 wheel hp and 350 ft lbs of torque. Its way too fast to be honest its not necessary to have that kind of power. So i have it turned down to 285/300. Its perfect. I cannot stress to you enough how amazing this chassis is once you re-engineer all the stupid ass kraut bullshit. Its all so unnecessary. It honestly could have been one of the greatest cars ever built if it wasn't so over engineered. Its a 4 cylinder turbo mounted transverse with 3 differentials and a manual transmission. Yet it gets NO praise because the germans screwed it qll up with their auxiliary water pumps and insanely, pointlessly complex pcv, vacuum, and cooling design. I promise you, if you spend the $1800 to buy one and do what i did, youll wonder why it took so long to figure it out.

  • @smithkid1996
    @smithkid19964 жыл бұрын

    How is there not a single comment about 350Z, G35, 370Z and G37? Depending on budget, theyre such great bargains for any performance driving on pavement. That plus they pass through every filter in on the board with ease.

  • @df98156

    @df98156

    4 жыл бұрын

    This is a Rally channel.

  • @SuperStuntman99
    @SuperStuntman994 жыл бұрын

    Porsche 987 cayman and boxsters are excellent track day cars, and you'd end up with a lot of car for your money as well.

  • @user-yb9sc4jn6v
    @user-yb9sc4jn6v4 жыл бұрын

    Hey i absolutly love your videos, please keep doing these ❤

  • @tokenride04
    @tokenride044 жыл бұрын

    So glad i was able to get my 86 Mercedes Cosworths for less than 2k each. 5spd dogleg with mechanical LSD. Been very reliable and fun the last 8 years.

  • @Mustardmartin

    @Mustardmartin

    4 жыл бұрын

    Where at ?

  • @Mustardmartin

    @Mustardmartin

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thats awesome where is this taking place haha

  • @georgearmerding

    @georgearmerding

    4 жыл бұрын

    i have a 1991 mercedes 190e 2.3 non cosworth automatic and it's damn fun to drive even with no power

  • 4 жыл бұрын

    Now they go for 20k :( (I assume you didn’t buy mint condition ones though)

  • @tokenride04

    @tokenride04

    4 жыл бұрын

    ​@ Not mint but not awful. Neither has rust, one had a fist sized dent in the rear quarter that someone repaired and i didnt even noticed until i stripped out the trunk years later. That one has 135k miles, Is stripped out, and is sitting on eibach springs and brembos from the 500e/evo2. The other one had a pieced together and crappy welded exhaust that I replaced for a few hundred dollars. It also had a high idle/vacuum leaks but its good now. That car has like 240k miles. AC doesnt work. I pulled the dash recently since Im at home for this virus outbreak so i can finally work on it. Its almost all original except i got rid of the SLS(for now) and installed roll up windows on all 4 doors. Biggest negative is the clear coats have been slowly peeling since before I bought them and its getting ugly. Im in socal but not too close to the beach. Sucks about the market on them, cheapest Ive seen is 2 months ago someone had 3 non running rust buckets for 4k in Kansas City but the ad is gone now.

  • @benjamincolumbus
    @benjamincolumbus4 жыл бұрын

    A lot of people run '00-'05 Honda S2000s as track cars. They can be found between $10k and $20k, weigh 2800 lbs with 50:50 weight distribution and double wishbone suspension on all four corners, 240 horsepower, reliable NA 4 cylinder, 6-speed manual transmission, ABS only, no TC or stability control, cable throttle, mechanical LSD, cable handbrake, and 20-24 MPG.

  • @nicolasgauthier5359

    @nicolasgauthier5359

    4 жыл бұрын

    Good choice but they are getting rarer and more in demand... Sadly 😟

  • @elementaljosh

    @elementaljosh

    4 жыл бұрын

    Good luck with the diff… it’s good for 400hp in a 2000lb Miata. In a 2800lb 240hp car you start having issues when you start pushing the car, especially when combined with power adders, and there’s no east bolt-in upgrade. Plus the hardtop market for S2ks is legitimately retarded, but I guarantee you’ll want one for track use. You could get two Miatas for an s2k hard top :/

  • @novemberlima1025
    @novemberlima10254 жыл бұрын

    I have loved using my 09 Honda Fit sport because it has funneled through this criteria all except balance is a little lower on the power but it rides corners like a beast and as far as i know doesn't have a front lsd. Highly recommend it for a rally car if anyone is wondering 😁

  • @nicolasgauthier5359
    @nicolasgauthier53594 жыл бұрын

    I daily an frs right now and I agree with your recommendation. Amazing car for the money. I would also recommend the compact and subcompact Japanese cars like the corolla XRS or the civic SI. They are very forgiving, affordable, and unbreakable. Good cars to learn on.

  • @hansen370

    @hansen370

    4 жыл бұрын

    Not driftable

  • @nicolasgauthier5359

    @nicolasgauthier5359

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@hansen370 you know that FWD rally is a thing right? Weight transfer and some handbrake will do the job...

  • @slobaru7094
    @slobaru70944 жыл бұрын

    I love my $4,000 03 wrx. Only issues are some of the aftermarket parts the previous owner installed like $199 coilovers, cheap wastegate and front mount setup. It also burns oil, but at least it had a new clutch and newer transmission.

  • @adamsvette
    @adamsvette4 жыл бұрын

    You guys are so cool. Ive only driven a Honda Civic in autocross ONCE years ago, but I still love learning all this stuff even though I'll probably never be on a track again

  • @Teamoneilrally

    @Teamoneilrally

    4 жыл бұрын

    Get back out there!

  • @chrisperez9268
    @chrisperez92683 жыл бұрын

    Dope video that will help me out, thank you!

  • @paddyboy73
    @paddyboy734 жыл бұрын

    I would add 2005 to 2008 Audi A4s, with 2.0T engines and the 6-speed manual. Decent power, decent all wheel drive, nice balance and brakes, has an actual hand e-brake, and be had for $5k to $9k. Had one when I lived in Connecticut, and nothing is more fun that sliding an A4 around turns in the winter with a dedicated set of snow tires.

  • @Teamoneilrally

    @Teamoneilrally

    4 жыл бұрын

    The Torsen center differential is pretty good, it's basically 50:50 by default but can automatically apportion up to 75% of the torque to the front or rear. That variability can make it a little unpredictable, but it's also a lot of fun when you get the hang of it

  • @jonathanpeterson1

    @jonathanpeterson1

    4 жыл бұрын

    paddyboy73 I have one! Auto, unfortunately but still fun.

  • @Planetary13

    @Planetary13

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes. I have several quattros with a rear lsd they are next level imo!

  • @nathanchildress5596
    @nathanchildress55963 жыл бұрын

    You can't get more car for less money than a Nissan 350Z/G35. It's a little heavy and needs better shocks but the engine is stout, the balance is good and it can make 300HP with very little modification. I got mine for 6 grand, no regrets

  • @bwalsh2862
    @bwalsh28624 жыл бұрын

    My gold standard is the 1989 Peugeot 405. It was light, cheap, had great motors, fade free brakes and you could heal and toe with ease. It was FWD but really responded to left foot braking , the handling was balanced and the ride was excellent. The best part was the steering feel. Steering rack was mounted without rubber to the chassis and the power steering assist via was a rubber mounted actuator. You could feel what the tires were doing all the time. It was very confidence inspiring. It was slow and the limits were low, so you could drive it fast and nobody would notice. I always wanted to drive the piss out of that car and it would take it well. My first/last one had 290k+ miles on it, with the original clutch (albeit nearly toast). It autox, TSD rallied, camped and carried my new born kids. Highly underrated. Finally sold it in 2019. Currently driving a Mazdaspeed Protege for fun and TSD rally, Sicon iA to commute.

  • @cafn8ed74
    @cafn8ed744 жыл бұрын

    Going into this video I was afraid that I was going to hear that I just need to throw some money at the Bugeye Subaru I already own. I'm not sure if I should be happy or disappointed that I was mostly right. Haha.

  • @jordanbell4420
    @jordanbell44204 жыл бұрын

    I used the same filters as in this video, but also add comfort (as it'll also be a daily, not just a track car), and needs to have a button to FULLY disable driver aids, without having to pull fuses. I ended up with a BMW 645Ci with a 6-speed manual.

  • @paul022887
    @paul0228874 жыл бұрын

    I have a Fiesta ST and love it. I want to get into Rally Cross this year, or next. It will be paid off soon, so Ill be able to tune or modify it a bit more too.

  • @fomosmith
    @fomosmith4 жыл бұрын

    Jeez, this is so good!

  • @ryanbrown4183
    @ryanbrown41834 жыл бұрын

    I have a 2020 Hyundai Veloster N and I absolutely love it

  • @SRTrollinz
    @SRTrollinz4 жыл бұрын

    Great Great information

  • @cakeofthepan2233
    @cakeofthepan22333 жыл бұрын

    Great info..and I have taken only some to heart.."94 suzuki swift gti..not new but it is light..rattley but solid..performance is ok when the revs are high(still pretty slow)..kms per L are sensational.. and it has a proper handbrake ..and ..I think for everyone out there..it's gotta be fun to drive!..Thats the biggy.

  • @SofaKingTouge
    @SofaKingTouge4 жыл бұрын

    Bought a r53 mini cooper 4 months back. So far seems to be a pretty solid little car. Cast iron block, getrag transmission. I wanted a supercharged car because during the summer here in Texas the turbos dont like the heat. Im hoping the supercharger will do better.

  • @djpaxson3004
    @djpaxson30044 жыл бұрын

    I just got a 2019 Fiesta se a few months ago and it’s great! Yeah it only has 120hp but like you were saying it’s well balanced and I have a lot of fun with it(mostly because of the proper handbrake)...it only has 1300 miles so far and I’ve definitely pushed its limits and it’s running like a champ so far! It’s definitely reassuring to hear you say that it’s a great car to get started with rallying! (Wish I could’ve afforded the ST, but I’m saving up for an STI so this’ll do in the meantime)! Keep the great content coming!!

  • @Teamoneilrally

    @Teamoneilrally

    4 жыл бұрын

    Awesome DJ, have fun with it!!

  • @bobsanders9500
    @bobsanders95004 жыл бұрын

    Every car enthusiast, whether tarmac or gravel, should put Team O'Neil's Rally School on their bucket list. Seriously, the skills you learn on the course will improve your ability no matter what or where you drive.

  • @noliftracing
    @noliftracing4 жыл бұрын

    Honda Type-Rs generally hold up pretty well

  • @jeff2bern468
    @jeff2bern4684 жыл бұрын

    Exciting times we're in as the original WRX's, Evo's, Celica's, Escorts etc. are importable now due to the 25 year rule. New ones coming online every year. They check every box except the "newish" category but there seems to be no shortage of lower mileage examples for sale by importers. Would be great to see some showing up on our rally stages and we can count on seeing more and more on the streets.

  • @romeosincere117
    @romeosincere117 Жыл бұрын

    very valuable info

  • @phongnguyen007
    @phongnguyen0072 күн бұрын

    This content is golden, great advices

  • @MTmixer84
    @MTmixer844 жыл бұрын

    I picked up a 2003 impreza wrx for 3800$ and with a bit of time and about double that in mods/maitinace I have a very fun/ safe car that I belive meet all the requirements here especially for western Montana. Love your channel

  • @Teamoneilrally

    @Teamoneilrally

    4 жыл бұрын

    Great part of the world to have that car! Have fun with it and check out www.americanrallyassociation.org/idahorally

  • @michelchartierb.a.1066
    @michelchartierb.a.10664 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the great videos and awesome content. I'd start the list with, does it have a limited-slip differential.

  • @umamidaddy7243
    @umamidaddy72434 жыл бұрын

    S2000 is my favorite for canyon carving

  • @user-yb9sc4jn6v

    @user-yb9sc4jn6v

    4 жыл бұрын

    Maaa boooy

  • @hiighcalibre

    @hiighcalibre

    3 жыл бұрын

    Great handling but I feel like they are pretty over inflated. $19K is a lot for a 15 year old soft top with non-existent underside areo and a torque deficiency. Definitely a drivers car though.

  • @umamidaddy7243

    @umamidaddy7243

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@hiighcalibre glad I didn't pay 19 for mine. I have never driven a car with under side areo ...... must be nice.

  • @diptarupghosh4431
    @diptarupghosh44316 ай бұрын

    this is the video i needed

  • @Druwoods
    @Druwoods4 жыл бұрын

    Pretty much my thought process when I picked up my 09 BMW 128i.

  • @dannymac2801
    @dannymac28014 жыл бұрын

    2007 Mitsubishi Galant. Has 233k miles, and we still beat it every weekend up the canyon or in the desert. Has never let me down. Super durable and has decent stock suspension.

  • @dionysquezada9221
    @dionysquezada92213 жыл бұрын

    Great video

  • @PatrickRich
    @PatrickRich4 жыл бұрын

    And here i am with my 97 Land Cruiser with 320,000 miles that I daily and beat on the trails. Granted, you are totally right about age being the main problem. Little things like seals and wire brittlement and what not.

  • @Fopeano
    @Fopeano4 жыл бұрын

    My 2000 Jetta VR6 has been great (bought 2 years ago). Bought for $600 with no real issues, added Wilwood and GLI brakes, ABS/AST disabled, coilovers, race motor mounts, light flywheel and pulleys, intake/exhaust/tune, Recaros/Harness, and some maintenance (with best fluids possible). $7000 in and about 7000 great miles of death rides and events so far...

  • @GT4viper
    @GT4viper4 жыл бұрын

    RWD king imho is the C6 Corvette. Early years are under 20k, and you can find 2010-13 Grand Sports with under 50k miles for under $30k. Rock solid LS, real diff, 6 speed, traction control is easily disabled, real grip-rip handbrake, supercar level handling and enough power you won’t outgrow it. Yes they require more discipline to drive fast, but that’s the idea right? (Bonus) huge aftermarket community. horsepower? Sky is the limit and relatively affordable and very reliable.

  • @danielgibbons301
    @danielgibbons3014 жыл бұрын

    I like the new whiteboard guys, it looks nice!

  • @simon05811
    @simon058114 жыл бұрын

    11-14 Mustang with the coyote 5.0. Stick axle so maybe not the fastest around a bumpy track, but a blast anyway!

  • @AlexB13
    @AlexB134 жыл бұрын

    All facts perfect explained, thanks a lot for that valueable videos...I choosed the Swift Sport with KW suspension, lightweight daily fun.

  • @stefanescurichard773
    @stefanescurichard7734 жыл бұрын

    Really good video awesome👍

  • @piciu256
    @piciu2564 жыл бұрын

    Peugeot 106, very cheap, very light and enough power, amazing for a first bash car, to see if it's really for you.

  • @williamparker7823

    @williamparker7823

    4 жыл бұрын

    I had 2 of them. Excellent beater cars. If you roll it, another one is cheaper than getting the old one out of the ditch.

  • @coscorrodrift

    @coscorrodrift

    4 жыл бұрын

    What engine choices would you suggest for the 106? I'm eyeing the Saxo VTS/106 GTi for the medium term future when I get some cash saved up but they're approaching C2 VTS prices so I'm not sure if it's worth it going for that old of a car. The C2 is much uglier but I don't care about it that much hahahah

  • @Frexican54

    @Frexican54

    4 жыл бұрын

    Are those sold in the United States?

  • @drazenbudis7881

    @drazenbudis7881

    4 жыл бұрын

    coscorrodrift Saxo vts is much, MUCH better car than C2, not even the same league. Also much simpler car if anything goes wrong mechanicly, C2 can be a propper nightmare when it breaks down.

  • @drazenbudis7881

    @drazenbudis7881

    4 жыл бұрын

    Walter Johnson nope

  • @omarpatino4230
    @omarpatino42303 жыл бұрын

    Solid Advice!

  • @CDOES
    @CDOES3 жыл бұрын

    06-11 Civic Si for a FWD car. 200hp, 8k rpm redline, 6 speed w/ a LSD, coupe or sedan, bulletproof.

  • @RAlNYDAYS
    @RAlNYDAYS4 жыл бұрын

    I have a 2008 Nissan 350z HR, I haven’t gone on the track with it but I have definitely put it through hell and it’s held up pretty great. I wouldn’t get a DE due to it’s known issues, but the HR’s are reliable sub-100k miles. I’ve driven long distances in the snow, run it 150 mph+ on a few occasions and 130+ more than I can count. Great reliable affordable car.

  • @RAlNYDAYS

    @RAlNYDAYS

    4 жыл бұрын

    Good in corners as well, forgot to mention it’s overall performance. If you get the grand touring package it comes with brembo brakes, huge positive for long term hard driving.

  • @BryanOnofre
    @BryanOnofre4 жыл бұрын

    2011-2014 mustang v6. Yes I said v6. Clutch based Limited slip? Check. 300hp? Check. 6-speed manual? Check. Real handbrake? Check. 30 mpg on highway? Check. Can be found for under 10k? Check. The only problem you may run into is that it is on the heavy side. Everything else about it fits into the criteria. I daily drive one (:

  • @brethorne1067

    @brethorne1067

    4 жыл бұрын

    Modern v6's are underrated imo.

  • @lancedonald6070

    @lancedonald6070

    3 жыл бұрын

    POS Ceck.

  • @branislavboba1699
    @branislavboba16994 жыл бұрын

    Nothing beats the Suzuki Samurai. I had thought it was a slugger but that was only until I bought one. Especially in slow corners it is way faster than the E39 BMW 528i I used to have. And the fun you'll have with this vehicle? Priceless!

  • @mikeschaner5853
    @mikeschaner58533 жыл бұрын

    I had a few Nissan B14's (1995-1999) 200sx and sentra. Both with the sr20de.. Freakin go karts, and cheap af to fix/maintain.. Would blow the doors off audi's and bmw's in the canyons of co... Have since swapped in the sr20vet... It's fun

  • @DasWauto
    @DasWauto4 жыл бұрын

    Feeling kinda validated with my WRX and 128i. I will probably be adding an LSD to the latter but it will remain primarily a street car, not an all out performance car.

  • @s4nsibar
    @s4nsibar4 жыл бұрын

    e46 330xi 2001+ in europe had a solid 4wd from a Jeep. Pretty good car.

  • @marshallcole58
    @marshallcole584 жыл бұрын

    Current car is a '15 Fiesta ST with stage 1 tune. GREAT car! Needs a real LSD, and for track days (mine, at least) a better radiator. Next new-car purchase would be a Veloster N.

  • @8yn815
    @8yn8154 жыл бұрын

    Hi from Spain! ‘17 outback daily driver, ‘02 wrx track, ‘04 sti touge / fun / weekend car

  • @coscorrodrift

    @coscorrodrift

    4 жыл бұрын

    The WRXs and STis are quite expensive here in Spain though, I've never seen one under like 12k€

  • @8yn815

    @8yn815

    4 жыл бұрын

    coscorrodrift Agree. They are rare and subaru is not a popular brand, in the US it’s the opposite so they become quite affordable

  • @spccaldwellbretw.2701
    @spccaldwellbretw.27014 жыл бұрын

    made a good point on cars over 20 years ‘ol with the falling apart here & there but i don’t mind that... i gots an ‘89 190e

  • @mikhailserebrennikov7017
    @mikhailserebrennikov70174 жыл бұрын

    Mini Cooper S R53, preferably 2004.5 through 2006. Excellent go kart car, supercharged, 6 speed manual, very good in auto cross and fun to work on with a lot of options to upgrade. Cheap too. Not so reliable but all the corks are well known and easily fixable.

  • @maxsverdlov3937
    @maxsverdlov39373 жыл бұрын

    Great video, as laways :) I'm actually in the process of buidling a stage car. Using a Honda Civic EP3 2003. Doing a full rebuild , all new bearing, bushing suspension etc. Toughts on the car? Also wanted to say thank you for all the great videos, you guys inspired me to start this build. Hopping I can make my way out to the school from Canada some times.

  • @DjNikGnashers
    @DjNikGnashers4 жыл бұрын

    BMW E36 is the car I would say has the best bang for buck, a 325 or 328 has enough power with some cheap mods to have real fun in, and the cars are still pretty cheap & plentiful.

  • @timpulko1743

    @timpulko1743

    2 жыл бұрын

    Not anymore unfortunately, E46 is more cost efficient. Still keeping my E36 M3 though

  • @DjNikGnashers

    @DjNikGnashers

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@timpulko1743 I had a look, you can still get 328i E36's for under 10 grand, but yes a lot more than the days when they were 3 grand a plenty !

  • @mrmeeseeks8453
    @mrmeeseeks84534 жыл бұрын

    2014 RLX I love the twisties

  • @sporkybutterz
    @sporkybutterz4 жыл бұрын

    Most of the suggestions look good. Na civic si, fit, brz, fiat 124, rav4 fwd. I would like to see a subaru svx rallying but the auto transmission is a weak link plus its out there as a quirky car along the likes of a saab 900 turbo or a volvo 242.

  • @JG-zu5wc
    @JG-zu5wc4 жыл бұрын

    Too many edits on this one - but awesome content 👍👍

  • @ulypanettieri4824
    @ulypanettieri48244 жыл бұрын

    I love my dc4 Integra. One of the most pure driver’s cars ever made

  • @MrRocknrolla4u
    @MrRocknrolla4u4 жыл бұрын

    Toyota GT86. Rear wheel drive. Limited Diff. Stiff Chassis. Well balanced. Low seating position/ low centre of gravity. Reliable. Solidly built. Easy to work on. Cheap parts. Easy to modify. Designed and built from the ground up for amateur racing drivers and affordability in mind.

  • @onethirdmayo8556
    @onethirdmayo85564 жыл бұрын

    6:47 So true. I have a 1991 Miata with a nearly new condition. Yet I never drive it hard as I do to my other cars because I don`t want to destroy a good example of these cars, although there`s plenty of them.

  • @334trax2
    @334trax24 жыл бұрын

    GREAT VIDEO: Some of this I was telling my teenagers, stressed the weight of a car. I wish I had a redo, lol. But I have a 2019 VW GTI with 7 speed DSG and LSD that I think meets most of this. I drove it on Barber Motorsports Park and had a blast. I have it modified with 347WHP 374FTLBS with coilovers. I'll be doing my first autocross soon. I'll be going to Road Atlanta for first time in July. I'll be posting videos of the runs since I have a better camera mount set up.

  • @Teamoneilrally

    @Teamoneilrally

    4 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like a great setup!!!

  • @fredericsimard8628

    @fredericsimard8628

    2 жыл бұрын

    cant disable abs and left foot braking not allowed in wv and audi it will cut engine power

  • @fredericsimard8628

    @fredericsimard8628

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Teamoneilrally cant disable abs and left foot braking not allowed in wv and audi it will cut engine power

  • @334trax2

    @334trax2

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Teamoneilrally I just traded in the VW GTI for a 2006 Porsche Boxster S with 6 speed manual transmission. If you need a hard top go Cayman S. I know Porsche "expensive " but I don't think do. In 2005 they changed engines. The S version is track ready. Mid engine, RWD, balanced, around 2960 lbs and manual transmission. The safety roll bar and body structure was beefed up in 2005. Lots of parts available. Big plus with a used car many Porsche owners garage them and get scheduled maintenance. Unlike other cars that some young people just throw aftermarket parts at their cars. This car checks all your boxes.

  • @SilverScarletSpider
    @SilverScarletSpider4 жыл бұрын

    The best driver's car is a Manual Transmission, Naturally Aspirated, RWD, Gasoline/Petrol, Durable, Reliable, $30,000 Thirty year old Toyota Corolla Hatchback AE86. Just kidding, Other than that the FF Honda Civic Type R, Si, and Sport Manual are pretty nice. If you like AWD a Subaru WRX and STi, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, or Ford Focus RS are fun. Very Cheap RWD MR2 and S2000 are cool too but the rule of old needs to be heeded. You’re not buying a brand new car

  • @onionman500blin8

    @onionman500blin8

    4 жыл бұрын

    And the rwd mid engine mr2 ?

  • @2JZDestroyer

    @2JZDestroyer

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@onionman500blin8 their mid rear.

  • @onionman500blin8

    @onionman500blin8

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@2JZDestroyer fixed and thanks

  • @fastboatster

    @fastboatster

    4 жыл бұрын

    S2000 is not cheap anymore, and nobody in their right mind would be okay writing one off. They are getting more expensive day by day. Cheap, reliable NA rwd is a mustang, and surprisingly e82 1 series BMW's, although these are def more work

  • @coryslater2472
    @coryslater24724 жыл бұрын

    My fiesta st checks all the boxes pretty well

  • @ocean0o
    @ocean0o4 жыл бұрын

    pre-vw skoda favorit. literal mileage tank. maybe not really powerful, but may i mind you it won the 1300cc rally championship twice.

  • @AlDim000
    @AlDim0004 жыл бұрын

    I am currently building a 2003 (7th gen) Celica GTS as a track car. It has high km, but the engine and transmission are in perfect shape, so it can take some regular punishment. It is very light at 2500 lb, handles great, revs all the way up to 8200 rpm and has just enough power at 180 hp. The 7th gen Celica is not the most popular car from its era, but it's a proper sports car for very little $$. The main thing it needs is an upgraded oil pan and for the 2000-2002 models - some new lift bolts.

  • @jeremyrburke
    @jeremyrburke4 жыл бұрын

    First gen Cayman S fit the bill for me. Bought 6 years ago for $24k, under 30k miles on it. Extremely well balanced, dead reliable on track after you install a deep sump, and was surprisingly cheap to run.

  • @madmax9009
    @madmax90094 жыл бұрын

    A miata can be used as a rally car if fitted with a proper rollbar/rollcage.

  • @RingerRacing

    @RingerRacing

    4 жыл бұрын

    in stage rally? with what organizations ?

  • @madmax9009

    @madmax9009

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@RingerRacing in no organisation or stage rally, I just said that a miata can be made safe for rallying with proper modifications

  • @RingerRacing

    @RingerRacing

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@madmax9009 but it cannot be used as a rally car for stage rally with nasa rally sport or ARA, - to my knowledge

  • @thebizwacky
    @thebizwacky4 жыл бұрын

    Oddball suggestion: 2006-2012 is350 checks all the boxes, maybe a bit portly but lots of power. Also outside of the rust belt I think you can easily go older, racing in Texas it's pretty rare to see cars newer than 20 years old.

  • @jonthesailorman
    @jonthesailorman4 жыл бұрын

    Fiesta ST FTW!!!

  • @joshuacase8866
    @joshuacase88664 жыл бұрын

    I find that a good competitor for the fiesta st is the Mazdaspeed 3. It does fit your requirements pretty well but is definitely at the cheaper end of of the spectrum. I have a 2008 ms3 that is decently reliable considering it is a 12 year old turbo car with 150,000 miles. It is a pretty raw car all around that will try to kill you if your not careful especially when considering torque steer.

  • @Teamoneilrally

    @Teamoneilrally

    4 жыл бұрын

    The Speed3 is great, heavy duty motor mounts make a big difference. They break under full rally use, ask me how I know kzread.info/dash/bejne/d6atxMimeKi-mpc.html

  • @tommyvercetti6035
    @tommyvercetti60354 жыл бұрын

    ...the answer is you dont! hahaha you had me cracking up with that! my 2002 wrx is definitely on the older end of the spectrum, but at this point nearly everything has been replaced for touge specification.

  • @Liam.Lacoste
    @Liam.Lacoste4 жыл бұрын

    I bought a 2011 STI Hatch, paid too much for it but I do not regret it one bit. I drove Skylines, RX-7s, 350Zs etc and none of them could compare.

  • @RingerRacing

    @RingerRacing

    4 жыл бұрын

    why do u like it better than those other offerings?

  • @czarli
    @czarli4 жыл бұрын

    90’s Volvo 740 turbo 92-00 BMW 3 series NA NB Miata

  • @kaurpoiss1
    @kaurpoiss14 жыл бұрын

    I bought an '86 ford sierra 50kw with the mindset of wanting to learn how to drive slow cars fast first (and where i live the street cred on sierras are huge xd), and so far i am pretty satisfied with the strategy. Just recently got to a level where i feel i need some more power to advance my skills further. It gave me the freedom of mind to drive it hard, because if i should crash i know ill only have lost 500€. I definitely recommend getting to know the overall principles of car handling in a DIRT CHEAP car.

  • @nicer4474

    @nicer4474

    4 жыл бұрын

    Where do you practice?

  • @kaurpoiss1

    @kaurpoiss1

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@nicer4474 on every gravel road i can find, which is becoming a challenge by the day

  • @dazone
    @dazone4 жыл бұрын

    Manual E36 with M50 Engine. Bullet proof once you take care of some basics...Can buy for $2000 and spend $1500 on new suspension, good clutch, brakes, upgrade your cooling system and you are good for years.

  • @Secretlyanothername

    @Secretlyanothername

    4 жыл бұрын

    A guy on Jalopnik rallied his. Cost him a lot, take a look at the articles.

  • @jaytheprungsirikul7303
    @jaytheprungsirikul73034 жыл бұрын

    Hi Wyatt/Team O'neil, I have the '15 Fiesta ST (stocks, minus sport spring I'm going to install). It's my daily driving up here in New Hampshire. Will replacing the diff to LSD making the car drives differently? I drive mostly on tarmac road but still I've noticed some wheels spin when driving out of a stop light and also on some straight/turn on wet/snow road. I'm planning to take it for my first autocross this summer. Thank you for all the work you guys do for this channel. It's GREAT! :)

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