I was a part of a microchurch for about 14 years. You have described it exactly as I experienced it. It is now a network of microchurches. But you wouldn't even know it existed if you weren't close to someone who is a part of it. There's no building. No single "pastor" (though there are elders). No advertising. No "gimmicks" to get people in the door. Everyone who is a part of it is active in daily Bible study and missional living. It grows slowly, because it is a really uncomfortable way of doing "church." You can't just hide on a back pew every Sunday or become subsumed in some sort of background ministry. You are worshiping and living the Christian life alongside your closest friends, neighbors, and coworkers. And there is an understanding that you probably won't be a part of the fellowship forever. You are in a training ground to be sent outward at some point. It was an experience that was truly quite formative for me.

@CHRISTIAN-LADY

3 жыл бұрын

Why did you leave?

@two4.six8

3 жыл бұрын

@@CHRISTIAN-LADY We lived in a different city that made it harder for us to be involved in the ministry opportunities that would arise organically for other members of our group. Meanwhile, there were ministry opportunities opening up for us at a traditional church nearer our to our home where my wife was studying Koine Greek (She's a talented linguist who can read the NT in Greek without a dictionary). So we discussed it with our microchurch group, and they prayed with us about it, and "commissioned" us to that ministry. They even sent a letter of recommendation to the new church. That new church said they had never seen anything like it.

@CHRISTIAN-LADY

3 жыл бұрын

@@two4.six8 That's sounds like a wonderful group. When I watched the video I was concerned about the biblical knowledge of the teachers. You both seems like good leaders. That is so important.

@two4.six8

3 жыл бұрын

@@CHRISTIAN-LADY I totally agree, this model could easily go off the rails theologically. It requires a LOT of humility and accountability.

@keithwilson6060

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds wonderful.

This sounds a lot like what we used to refer to as "home churches" in the 80's.

@jessefoutz597

3 ай бұрын

Home church, house church, cell church, micro-church... It all seems like just a Jesusy pyramid scheme.

Micro-churches really do seem like the future of Christian organization. Networked design like this has massive potential to grow and adapt.

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

I agree with you.

In our new Anglican Church (ACNA), we have both a Sunday morning service of Word and Sacrament (Eucharist every Sunday) and have micro church during the week of sharing a meal, Holy Discussion (Bible study), and prayer. We just split into two groups and already see the need to have a third group. We meet in homes and have a strong ecclesiology. One of the groups has young children so we have catechism for the children during the adult Holy Conversation. We will explore more about how to live semi-monastically as we see these small groups fulfilling.

I love this model. It's sort of what I expected and tried to initiate at my church, but it was met with much resistance from the elders. I remember repeatedly asking for feedback and training to do ministry, and I was basically handed a book (which to be fair, was helpful but not what I needed) and told to go figure it on my own. The cultural point is so important I feel. There are families at my church that are treated like second-class citizens because they don't belong to the majority culture of the church, and yet they keep coming. There could be a much higher form of engagement.

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

Yes, and that "much higher form of engagement" is biblical.

I saw the thumbnail and misread it as Microbreweries. I got quite excited.

@chilternsroamer872

3 жыл бұрын

Various monasteries do brew beer. There are a number of examples in Europe. Google "Trappist beer" for examples.

@abaddon2148

2 жыл бұрын

@@chilternsroamer872 buckfast: made by monks, drunk by punks!

@winros

2 жыл бұрын

LMAO 🤣!

@martinkullberg6718

10 ай бұрын

Maybe some of these will start a home brewery and start to make a new delicious bier, like fruitesse (bier based on fruits) 🍻

As a Catholic, the laity (are supposed to) live out the Gospel, and bring the good news to those around them every single day of their lives. Unfortunately, as you described, many practicing Catholics (those who fulfill their Sunday obligation) are only Catholic for the hour they spend at church. There are many ministries and orders like the 3rd Order Franciscans or the Lay Dominicans that meet and pray together regularly. Some are more rigorous than others, but the purpose of a microchurch bears some similarities.

As I listen to explain this model, this seems similar to the type of structure we read about in the book of Acts...meeting from house to house, and spreading in a grassroots and decentralized way, although with some local leaders and overseer support.

@felixguerrero6062

3 жыл бұрын

Yes you are right that the early church was decentralized, yet the Apostles, bishops/elders had alot of authority for correction and discipline.

@johnvictorroderos8842

3 жыл бұрын

@@56pjr You do know that those early Christians eventually built places of worship right? The persecution of Christians (the hardcore kind) eventually stopped, at least in the West, thus the need of going house to house, worshipping in caves and other hiding places ceased

@tintinismybelgian

3 жыл бұрын

It also seems a bit like the Quaker model, in terms of hierarchy.

@FalconOfStorms

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnvictorroderos8842 alternatively when persecution stopped, the church lost focus.

@k9er596

3 жыл бұрын

They had an established communion and hierarchy which would develop through Apostolic tradition/succession into the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. These modern micro Churches aren't under the same open threat and persecution that was around during the early 100s-300s. Micro Churches today are just Protestants who would like to establish their own "church" thus actually further dividing Christendom. Their rise in popularity only goes to show the true devastating results of the reformation and how it has divided Christendom.

I didn't realize this was a thing. We've been growing our "church" this way for the last 20 years. People splitting off every so often and creating new ministries and churches. We've always operated like this intentionally, just didn't know it was a thing.

@dthomson8619

Жыл бұрын

You are absolutley correct, Shawn, (if that is your name). I am very old and can assure you that there is nothing new here, except the collection of vocabulary being used to describe it. I have known many, with the proclivity toward studying church history, who would quickly point out that not only are you correct, Shawn, but it has existed for 2,000 years. Why does it it seem new to some? Because, usually, it has had to exist in the shadows, in the dire necessity of perilous times. There have always been believers who understood these things and when they become too few, our Lord allows severe persecution in order to right the ship. Perhaps this is why these believers are so moved. It is a preparation. Many of us have been warning of hard times looming, but most do not listen. This "movement" (so-called) is a good thing for those who take heed. They do not know how good....yet.

Literally, this is a return to the initial model of the church in Acts. I think it may be beneficial to us all to study/apply this model. 1) For evangelism and disciple making 2) As the church comes under persecution in the coming years, being a part of a micro church will give us the opportunity to be in community and continue to grow with fellow Christians

@matiasgamalieltolmosuarez790

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, the church of the Acts and the entire New Testament had a very structured structure, since they were also ethnically Jewish so they were very structured and took things seriously and with the utmost respect. We can see that there were things that only the apostles did, like teaching the word, giving the baptism of the holy spirit (something that Philip who was only a deacon could not do), other things only the presbyters could do like anointing the sick with oil, they also sent their delegates to other churches with a letter of recommendation, the bishops like Timothy were in charge of appointing other bishops or presbyters in the different cities (not the congregations), the deacons did not teach the word (obviously less those who were not of the clergy), etc. Also the liturgy itself was quite rigid, based on the Jewish liturgy, they attended the Jewish feasts regularly, and did all their rites (only those who were ethnically Jewish), they also fulfilled the canonical prayers 3 or 2 times a day (recited prayers), also always when they taught they did it in synagogues (or what we call churches now), or in some kind of schools. They also had the structure of deacon, presbyter, the bishop that they inherited from the Jews, that is why it is not explained so much in the new testament, the Jewish synagogues needed a minimum of 10 people of the "clergy" (that is to say that they did not work in something secular, only in the synagogue), where one of them was the bishop, or angel, where they had deacons who were in charge of collecting the funds and taking care of the widows and the poor, and the rest were presbyters or elders where they had different functions, they also had one who was the interpreter (since the bible was in Hebrew and they spoke in Aramaic or Greek). Therefore that of disorganization is a fallacy that has been put this last time to get people out of the church. They cannot call themselves a church just for being a group of people who get together to read the bible, they must have pastors, sacraments, and all that the church has been commanded to do. God bless you and study the word under a look less biased to your private interpretation, but on the contrary, our look should be universal, what has been practiced and believed in the church in these 2000 years is a thousand times more valuable than doctrinal innovations.

@richardnoegel275

2 жыл бұрын

Literally, this is a return to the initial model of the church in Acts. No, it is not. You think that b/c you don't know the conditions and practices of the primitive Church, although that is by no means new knowledge. But you have not read the documents of the primitive Church, without which you have only your own opinions. based on an uninformed reading of the New Testament. Read the comments from Mr Suares on this thread. His comments are accurate.

@Oculoustuos

Ай бұрын

It is not a return to the initial model of the church in Acts. Where are the inspired Apostles? Where is the Apostolic Succession. That model is the One established by the Lord. Hierarchical! Just read the Old and New Testament. God has order and order decent from those He chose be it Moses and Aaron or Peter and Paul. Microchurching is not the Scriptural model. The Scriptural model has always been hierarchical even when many hierarchs were hypocrites. Recall the words of Our Lord: 1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. Matthew 23

Churches are like anything else that has people in it. The more bureaucracy there is, the less responsive it is to the needs of the people. This model clearly gets back to something closer to the original churches, and that's good.

@matiasgamalieltolmosuarez790

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, the church of the Acts and the entire New Testament had a very structured structure, since they were also ethnically Jewish so they were very structured and took things seriously and with the utmost respect. We can see that there were things that only the apostles did, like teaching the word, giving the baptism of the holy spirit (something that Philip who was only a deacon could not do), other things only the presbyters could do like anointing the sick with oil, they also sent their delegates to other churches with a letter of recommendation, the bishops like Timothy were in charge of appointing other bishops or presbyters in the different cities (not the congregations), the deacons did not teach the word (obviously less those who were not of the clergy), etc. Also the liturgy itself was quite rigid, based on the Jewish liturgy, they attended the Jewish feasts regularly, and did all their rites (only those who were ethnically Jewish), they also fulfilled the canonical prayers 3 or 2 times a day (recited prayers), also always when they taught they did it in synagogues (or what we call churches now), or in some kind of schools. They also had the structure of deacon, presbyter, the bishop that they inherited from the Jews, that is why it is not explained so much in the new testament, the Jewish synagogues needed a minimum of 10 people of the "clergy" (that is to say that they did not work in something secular, only in the synagogue), where one of them was the bishop, or angel, where they had deacons who were in charge of collecting the funds and taking care of the widows and the poor, and the rest were presbyters or elders where they had different functions, they also had one who was the interpreter (since the bible was in Hebrew and they spoke in Aramaic or Greek). Therefore that of disorganization is a fallacy that has been put this last time to get people out of the church. They cannot call themselves a church just for being a group of people who get together to read the bible, they must have pastors, sacraments, and all that the church has been commanded to do. God bless you and study the word under a look less biased to your private interpretation, but on the contrary, our look should be universal, what has been practiced and believed in the church in these 2000 years is a thousand times more valuable than doctrinal innovations.

@richardnoegel275

2 жыл бұрын

Mr Suares is correct.

My church is not a microchurch however it does things very very similar to this. We have a thing called small groups that are basically Identical to this. A more discussion based teaching and meeting at each others houses. Once a group gets big enough people are called to start their own small groups. Only difference is that this is loosely organized by a "normal" church although they all operate independently I would say.

0:13 I understand it because it's _business jargon._

in some ways this sounds like 1 of the biggest churches in the world in seoul , south korea which has small groups of about 10 people and when they grow they start new groups

@richardnoegel275

2 жыл бұрын

But is it Christian? And how does one know? "By their fruits you shall know them."

I have worked in twenty countries. In each one, I have sought out micro-churches, which seem to be spreading nearly everywhere. Much, maybe most, of their evangelism actually occurs within their gatherings, where guests experience love, get help through others' prayers, and are moved by the Word of God shared by ordinary folk. One thing I think I have learned is that somewhere in their recent past, there was someone or a small team, maybe even a foreigner, who had a vision for micro-church, and coached local folk through the steps of starting, growing and multiplying. (I shall send a link to this video to several others.)

VERY well explained. The beginning was extraordinarily clear when returned to after viewing the full video.

The "Micro Church" is how the earliest Christians operated

@shamrock1961

3 жыл бұрын

Back then it wasn't at risk of becoming a cult. Today, you have people groups who will want to turn it into a cult. I'll pass on this concept. I am a proud traditionalist.

@k9er596

3 жыл бұрын

Not at all. They had an established communion and hierarchy which would develop through Apostolic tradition/succession into the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. These modern micro Churches aren't under the same open threat and persecution that was around during the early 100s-300s. Micro Churches today are just Protestants who would like to establish their own "church" thus actually further dividing Christendom. Their rise in popularity only goes to show the true devastating results of the reformation and how it has divided Christendom.

@supersquid328

3 жыл бұрын

The earliest churches had the Holy Spirit in operation and the division thing wasn't as much of an issue. And where it was, people came in to correct. They met in massive congregations and in small groups in homes. They did it all. Today, you have a million denoms, and no life changing power. You have to go straight to God - go to church sure, but don't rely on your 'pastor'

@Perririri

3 жыл бұрын

The true #GreatestGeneration is not the people who were born in the first 30 years of the 20th Century, but those born in the First Century CE, who personally lived in the time of Jesus, and were involved in the earliest development of the Christian Church. The traditional Greatest Generation were truly great, but are nothing compared to the ancient generation.

@billyhw5492

2 жыл бұрын

If your church still looks like a mustard seed, then it's the wrong one.

I really like this idea, I just go to a small AFLC church where people love Jesus and love me and my family

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

😊

Listening to your contribution I realised that there is a whole movement inside Catholic church that operates via microchurch method... Neocatechumenal Way founded by Kiko Argüello ... counting 30.000 communities = microchurches ... which are all part of Catholic denomination

@gavasiarobinssson5108

3 жыл бұрын

There are more. MFC from Philippines and the theology seems in accordance with Opus Dei.

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

2 жыл бұрын

It reminded me of mennonites

@valeriebalzan7619

Жыл бұрын

They are very successful

“If you build it, they will come” is a secular quote for a reason. Evangelize, evangelize, evangelize!

@Perririri

3 жыл бұрын

The movie quote is actually "he will come"

If only this had closed caps, to follow along keep track of the terminology

I come from a Presbyterian background, but am currently serving as an elder in an Underground affiliated microchurch network. This was an excellent overview of Microchurches as a concept. If anyone has any questions, particularly on what the nitty-gritty is like, feel free to message me. I’m happy to share the good, the bad, and the ugly.

@rossslaughter5197

3 жыл бұрын

I would definitely like to speak with you.

@michaelkling4994

3 жыл бұрын

@@rossslaughter5197 my reply must have been flagged as spam. I’ll reach out to your church office and see if we can connect that way.

I am an old man and in almost complete agreement with this video statement. Practically everything said is spot on with the Holy Scriptures. So please do not take my one suggestion as being an insult or conveying any malice. I absolutely love what has been said here and rejoice for it. So I write this with the prayer that it be taken as an expression of loving care. Though I heartily agree in most things, there is one disturbing, or perhaps annoying, thing. That is the collection of vocabulary that will, to many, seem new. More importantly, there appears to be an effort to cast this as “new.” This is not at all new. I have read the comments below, and, like myself, some have both endorsed and participated in this very thing over the course of our entire lives. The fact that you mentioned how we are often unheard of, is testimony of how it is possible that we have existed for 2,000 years mostly unnoticed and unwanted by the large denominations, or “de-nomin-nations,” (“separated-by name-groups”). In fact, we are often unknown to each other. Contact with like-minded souls is choreographed by the Holy Spirit. When it comes to some things we can say this: If it is Biblical, it is not new. If it is new, it is not Biblical. It would be wise to cast this not as new, but as renewed.

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

You are correct, but the church needs to be newly inspired by the Bible in order to be microchurches. In fact, some denominations are now open to this way of doing church.

Neat, and yes, the tighter the "theology" the more difficult it will be to live missional-ly = Great topic an dI hope to see more

Theres a book called the starfish movement that really tackles this subject

Its kinda similar to starting a cell group and grow and soon multiplies. A cell that starts with some common interest. Eg, a uniform group cell, where members are from the police force and or military. Or a cell with certain industry or business. That after a while when it has grown, multiply.

Thank you, Joshua🌹🌹🌹🌹

Wooow I am very surprised, I didn't think there was such a movement. Personally in my church, something happened to us with that. In min city the church arrived only 3 or 4 years ago where almost half of it was in the pandemic, that's why we still don't have a church building, but we meet in some houses (dining room, or garage) but we adapt it like a church (especially for the Sunday service) besides we have discipleship that is with an agape meal sitting at the table, the pastor teaching and the brothers can ask questions if they don't understand something. But a group of 2 families began to "provoke a split" because according to them the real church is to go from house to house listening to the evangelical, our pastor warned them that the church is not a mess and that it needs a liturgy (written or something more like a simple structure) and if possible should seek to have a building for the church and to be public and not always walk in private as a cult. Besides, that not only that they started to teach (that group of 2 families), they started to say that it was bad to call themselves Christians, that only "disciples is the name Jesus gave us" :/, that we should not congregate in a place that has a structure, that they are free and therefore should not be under a pastor, that they should learn among themselves by opening the word and asking what they believe about it and not that someone taught them, etc.. Things are quite wrong and unbiblical, and of course our church (also because of the sanitary measures) they were ordered to stop teaching or leave the church, and in truth today that they are no longer there we are all much more in harmony, and we have reached a great brotherly love among the other brothers who did not follow them. This type of thinking, unstructured and "free", is not biblical, nor good for the church. The apostles themselves, whenever they spoke to the churches in their epistles, placed great importance on order within the church, even above the charisms.

This is very cool. It's almost like MeetUps and networking but for spiritual (religious?) purposes & helping each other.

Seems similar to home churches.

The Microchurches concept literally sounds like the way the Apostles conducted their "church" in their day. This is literally how the church of Acts fellowshipped and conducted itself. This is what we're missing in today's world of temples on every corner.

@SGOV86

Жыл бұрын

This is one of the reasons why I am pro microchurches.

@thegothicmystic

Жыл бұрын

@Nathaniel J. Franco I think you need to reread the New Testament

Hello, I’m very fond of your channel. Please consider making a video on sedevacantist traditional Catholics.

@patquint3291

3 жыл бұрын

@@56pjr Why do you keep insisting Catholics are not Christians? Give some concrete examples please.

@johnvictorroderos8842

3 жыл бұрын

@@56pjr How come then that the Christian bible was compiled by the Catholic Church?

@patquint3291

3 жыл бұрын

@@56pjr Your “examples” on why Catholics are not Christian is simply laughable at the least and shows your complete lack of comprehension and understanding of orthodox Christian history and theology. May I remind you that the theology you believe to be Christian is based on centuries of Protestant bias, prejudice, half truths and out right lies about the Church Jesus founded 2000 years ago. People like you never want to hear the truth. And when the truth of Christianity is presented, even using Biblical foundation, you will twist and turn every fact presented into some truncated and false doctrine to fit your antiCatholic fancy.

This microchurch things sounds like a good idea.

@matiasgamalieltolmosuarez790

2 жыл бұрын

I don´t think so, a desorganized church is not what bible teach

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

2 жыл бұрын

@@matiasgamalieltolmosuarez790 It sounds totally amazing. The mennonite church I go to is similar and it really feels right.

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

I agree.

My understanding is that it's a more refined/defined model of Emerging Church.

Lol, the RLDS congregation I attended as a teenager was a micro church simply because it had like 15 members.

I had the privilege as a kid being member of split churches, starting churches and house churches. This pretty on par with those situation, aside from not growing.

How are micro-churches working to avoid dangerous or abusive offshoots? Though this sounds like a wonderful concept, there is also a potential danger for cult leadership or people with otherwise unethical aims to quickly build congregations unless there is some kind of governing body

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

2 жыл бұрын

If everyone's studying their bible, it should be fine

@richardnoegel275

2 жыл бұрын

@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr That is downright laughable! Look around at the real world.

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardnoegel275 Sure there can be disagreements on minor things. In my church, they tie baptism and membership together. I disagree with that. But they are still Christian and they're still my church.

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardnoegel275 It's not laughable. A Catholic thing to say. Many people from all walks of life read the bible and become born again Christians and we're all brothers and sisters. If someone is honestly reading the bible, then they are protected from cult leaders. It's who you follow. And yes, many do follow men over the Word of God, that is the real world! But I'm saying for people are ARE looking to the bible as their ultimate authority and that may be a much smaller population, but perhaps the people motivated enough to be committed to a micro church would take this seriously enough.

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

Жыл бұрын

@Nathaniel J. Franco Why not follow Muhammad then? Why not Joseph Smith? Why not Greek Orthodox? You're commanded to follow new ideas of men as long as they have high positions in the Catholic Church? Are we sure they have infallibility?

I like this idea, same thing as a house church( different name).

@richardnoegel275

2 жыл бұрын

Is it the same thing as a house church? How do you know that? The video doesn't say that or even address that. It simply describes the phenomenon. The video does not declare one way or the other whether these are Christian groups in more than name. you are adding to the video that which is simply not there.

Makes me wonder if there's anything like that here in the UK, though I wouldn't know where to start searching for something like what you described!

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

Maybe, according to God's will, you can pioneer a microchurch.

As someone who attends a micro church, it has very strong positives and very strong negatives. On the one hand, it can really further the kingdom on an individual level that a traditional church cannot, to a degree those who have never experienced it would probably never believe. On the other, micro churches will never ever have influence over mass culture

@JosephBoxmeyer

7 ай бұрын

Influence over mass culture by the Church is a myth. When it is attempted by a large Church it is only a different bully. The mass culture movements are being strongly manipulated. The BLM riots had skids of bricks delivered for throwing. The George Floyd trial was manipulated. The cop's defense was prohibited from presenting most of their evidence. Spiritual influence on culture will happen as it always has, one person at a time, one family at a time. Micro Churches have better potential in this IFand only if there is real Bible study by the people. There needs to be individual responsibility, not so present in the big Church where there is dependence on the "professionals". This is a weakness of the big Church. The Church is often misguided by a "kingdom building" mentality. This is the Church not the kingdom. Our gospel is of Jesus' death burial and resurrection. Our gospel is not the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Our mission is not to mass culture or political.

I wish you would talk more about older history... especially the ancient churches like Ancient Church of the East. I am also interested in the internal structures and conflicts in the East Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Catholic, and other Churches, and also denominations that no longer exist.

@Airic

Жыл бұрын

like Arianism...

Good explainer. There's a lot of comments here saying that this is what the early church of Acts was like. I wonder what Paul, Luke, Barnabas and those guys imagined the church being 200 years after their time (if Jesus still had not returned). I imagine they would hope that some of the churches would have gained some traction within society, capable of doing bigger and more organized things to spread the influence of Christ.

@richardnoegel275

2 жыл бұрын

"There's a lot of comments here saying that this is what the early church of Acts was like." But those people are wrong. Mr Suares is explaining with great accuracy how the primitive churches were. This is not new knowledge. We have the New Testament, the Didache, the Apostolic Constitutions, and the writings of the Fathers (the Patristic writers). We know what the primitive church was like. We have always known.

@jamesreed5678

Жыл бұрын

It's hilarious watching people advocate doing something today based on what a highly-persecuted church did in the first century. And, even then, they're wrong. There were a 120 people in that upper-room, not exactly micro -- indeed, the whole Christian community at the time. Honestly, I don't want to attend any church filled with halfwits led by people who can't name more than a handful of books of the Bible, let alone not being able to parse the Greek. Church buildings are practical and produce more fruit that an invite-only secret Bible-study that lacks economies of scale. Well, would produce more fruit if they got back to God and stopped trying to be all about lousy entertainment.

I'd like to hear you compare/contrast microchurches with churches within a church planting movement (CPM).

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

Microchurches, though organized as a network, are more decentralized.

Sounds like what Catholics call “guilds” except we have them as communities within a parish

This is pretty much what I think of when church comes to mind however to me a worship/spiritual group can be anywhere and on the weekends or throughout the week.

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

A mobile church that is moved by the Holy Spirit.

This sounds like the Baptist church I grew up in (except the have a building), it was founded 150 years ago.

Imagine my surprise when a discover a video about "microchurches" isn't about what has become of most churches, at least the ones that haven't folded.

Have you done research and a video on the home church movement?

Discipleship and living for Christ? This sounds suspiciously like Christianity. My congregation is like this, but it wasn't anything we planned. We started out as a megachurch plant but our pastor couldn't reconcile the mother church's demands about money and membership with the description of the Bride of Christ as outlined in the word of God, so we gave up the expensive building and began meeting at our homes.

I've been studying Catholicism. I recently learned that there is a difference between valid and licit. In other words, there a what and a how. If premature baby is born and will die soon, an atheist nurse can be asked to baptize the baby and as long as natural water is used and the words of consecration are used it is a valid baptism. However, if I have all the time in the world and ask an atheist to baptize me, that could be valid, but it would be illicit. It's not how it is supposed to be done. There's a lot of discussion among Catholics about whether something should be licit, even if that's not the word that they use. The ordinary form of the Mass is valid per the Catholic church, but parts of it are arguably illicit. Such as receiving the Eucharist in the hand. Officially, the laity is supposed to receive on the tongue, and are given leave to receive in the hand in cases where receiving on the tongue isn't a good idea, such as a pandemic for instance. However, during normal times, there's absolutely no circumstance one could use to propose why receiving on the tongue should be done. I'm still trying to find out what the reasoning is for not having an altar rail... that's really weird to me. The rail is an extension of the altar. So no rail, there's no coming to an altar to receive, which doesn't seem right. Why not just mail me my weekly host? God, please don't let it get to that point...

@seanrea550

3 жыл бұрын

Alot of the what is seen in catholic churches now are a result of the second Vatican council (Vatican 2). That is also when the alter rails were removed and the language of the mass shifted to vernacular (common languages) as opposed to being in Latin and Greek save for specific aspects in specific times of the year. Baptism does have an order of preference. If you can get a priest, do so then a decan, catholic laity male prefered first, then non catholic. Other details were correct. The reception of communion on the hand had a dispensation (permission to) in the United States for a while. But some in the states do still receive on the tongue if a neiling rail is available and we are not in pandemic.

@seanrea550

3 жыл бұрын

If there is no alter rail, the priest and minister (in this case just leity with instruction and aproval) will come down to the lead of the isle. Again clergy are preferred where avalable.

@NoNameNumberTwo

3 жыл бұрын

Infant baptism is not Biblical.

@Eye_of_a_Texan

3 жыл бұрын

@@NoNameNumberTwo It isn't explicitly biblical, but it is reasonable if you consider baptism as the door to the faith. It all depends on Jesus saying something like, "unless born again in water and the spirit, no one will see the kingdom of God." Therefore, to ensure that infants and others are not excluded from the kingdom for lack of baptism, infant baptism.

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

2 жыл бұрын

@@Eye_of_a_Texan Do you think God sends unbaptized babies to hell?

Literally how the church of Acts was. Don’t let the Orthodox and Catholics fool you with their folktales.

He did not mention Frank Viola. He helps get microchurches going. There are several microchurches in the area where I live.

This sounds similar to Acts 29 Network. I will say I couldn't see myself being apart of a microchurch. I would be worried of qualified teachers with very little training or seminary experience.

@CornCod1

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I can only imagine how mixed up the theology is going to get in these microchurches. Of course some are going to be "on the ball" but so many of my fellow laymen are so badly instructed in the faith these days.

@danielbowden5301

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know how representative my limited experience is of how things usually go, but I think "micro churches" or "house churches" or so on may actually have an advantage here. conventional churches are full of people who are ignorant or confused about the most basic doctrines/beliefs, a great many people don't even know that Jesus is God and there are many other disastrous misunderstandings that don't get corrected because people are not going to walk up to the preacher and ask for education or correction in these things, many people are just honestly confused or ignorant and don't even know they have ignorance or confusion that needs correction. But when the Sunday gatherings are centered around conversation and study and questions and input are welcomed from each person, those things come up and the more knowledgeable people in the group can help those who are open to learning. I am sure that there are conventional churches that handle these matters relatively well, but it seems more difficult in a conventional church unless maybe they do small groups very well. It is true that some house churches are going to go off the deep end, but that is true of conventional churches too. Just think about the Catholic denomination. Seminary and "training" actually seems to theologically mess a lot of people up(depending on where/who they are learning from) and it seems like the most theologically knowledgable people I know actually have no formal theological education. Not that I am against more formal theological education, I am just saying that we shouldn't put too much emphasis on it. Many people put too much trust in a person's seminary education, and too much faith in the pastor, and it makes educated false teachers more of a danger to people. I was in an increasingly progressive church for 2.5 years until I left when it became too intolerable and fatiguing to see all the error. The preachers had way more seminary training and probably had read the Bible a lot more than I had, since I read through the whole Bible the first time when at that church. Despite my Biblical illiteracy and lack of formal seminary education, I was in less error than them and I would have probably been more fit to be the preacher. When I started meeting with my current house church group, I got to know some of the people better in a few weeks, than I knew anyone in my previous church of 2.5 years! I am more orthodox now than I was before, because I have been able to have plenty of time and conversation and the right environment to be able to ask my questions and share my doubts about things. The most major change is that I've accepted trinitarianism after being a modalist for about 10 years, which took prayer and hours of discussion with my friends(and I guess primarily God's intervention). I've been meeting with my house church friends for about a year now and it does appear to attract people with strange and harmful beliefs, reincarnation and so on, but those people have all left without even being asked, because I guess they perceived that we were not buying it. I am sure that many microchurches are more like "microcults", :( but I don't think that micro or house churches are worse off in that way, many conventional churches become deceptive and harmful to people. How many people sitting in the pews of conventional churches are closeted believers in reincarnation, arianism/unitarianism, etc? It is better for those things to be revealed and addressed as they inevitably are in smaller groups that welcome questions and input from each person. So I highly sympathize with your concern, I am troubled sometimes by all the theological error and ignorance these days, but in my limited experience, house churches seem potentially less vulnerable to unchecked theological error. It probably depends a lot on who starts the groups though, whether they are relatively orthodox and steadfast followers and lovers of Jesus, or heretics or apostates wanting to spread their false teaching.

@keithwilson6060

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t grant too much credence to seminary training. Many people lose their faith in most seminaries, if not overtly, then in corruption of their faith to the point that it is neutered.

@CornCod1

3 жыл бұрын

@@keithwilson6060 Well, denominations have to keep a close watch on the seminaries. In my corner of the Christian world, Confessional Lutheranism, the LCMS, had to do a purge of their St.Louis seminary professors because it got infected with higher critics in the 70''s. Since then, the situation has been much better. The Wisconsin Synod seminary is doing fine. You really don't see laymen taking seminary courses, like I do just for the sake of my own edification. Being theologically astute takes a bit of learning.

@jmjaquinas7298

3 жыл бұрын

One of my many concerns as well. It seems like it could be beneficial as an outgrowth of traditional churches, like a sub-congregational group, but we need to be United to a broader body of believers both modern and stretching back in order to guard against heretical excesses

Its also referred as cellgroups, care groups or small groups

This is what God called me to do in Vermont. Never heard a name for it until now.

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

It can also be called the round church who gather around Jesus to do God's will (Mark 3:34-35).

I can understand why religious and business communities go hand in hand. It sounds more like a marketing tactic to me.

@winros

2 жыл бұрын

It's just a Bible study at different people's houses it's been going on for years... I guess the new term is micro churches! It might start out okay however, like in the early 20th century they had tried this method and now there's 10, 000 sectors of Christianity! History repeating itself! I'm thinking because people aren't going to church and 2022 because of the pandemic so now they have to come up with something new! I have to do research on this! ✌️✌️

@richardnoegel275

2 жыл бұрын

@@winros No you don't. We now KNOW that the number of Christians in America today is vanishingly small. Not a single so-called "church" that shut down for the "pandemic" is a church. They are not Christians. Period. Our ancestors in the Faith faced REAL dangers--beheading; burning alive to light the emperor's garden; crucifixion; banishment; forced labor in the Roman salt mines, and so on. But they did not forsake the assembling of themselves together. Most Americans forsook assembling themselves together b/c they are NOT Christian AT ALL and b/c their gods and their prophets are on TV. Period. What do you have to research?

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

It should have a deep biblical basis.

How does this differ from small groups? Or cell groups?

@SiceloKhumalo-mx9fi

3 ай бұрын

Small group are usually part of a traditional church, they are independent from traditional church

This sounds attractive. People can focus on religion and not be a worker bee or a cog in the machine.

I want to find one so badly!!!!

i thought missional living was just common sense to anyone taking their faith seriously. Id feel more bad about not living that way

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

I agree😊

Dang, this sounds cool

I passed your challenge, and I am down for Biker Church.

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

Nice😊

Very interesting. As a related subject, are there "constructed denominations" promoted by one person or a small group of persons on paper or in a book or an essay. An analogy is the constructed languages or "conlang"s. One of the most successful conlangs is Esperanto. Others are Interlingua, Volapük etc. So are there cases of constructed denominations or sub-religions or religions in the Christian faith.

@ReadyToHarvest

3 жыл бұрын

Swedenborg's New Church may be the closest analogy to this

@richardnoegel275

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReadyToHarvest I think that was the Church of the New Jerusalem, to be exact. But, as with the Shakers, if you refuse to have children, you can't expect your "church" to outlive you. It's examples like these that make clear how truly unChristian these sorts of things are.

@StrategicGamesEtc

Жыл бұрын

What about confessions or statements of belief? Would those count?

I really like this idea of doing church. It really reminds me of the mennonite church I go to.

How is the purity of doctrine maintained in the microchurches?

What do you mean that they live together in a community? Like a commune of some sort? I’m confused. Also, I really like your channel. You manage to explain these differences without showing bias. That is so rare.

@ReadyToHarvest

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Lisa. By Community I do not mean commune, everybody lives in their own house as usual, but they do have a stronger community in the sense that often people will spend more of their lives with those in the microchurch. Some micro churches are developed in local neighborhoods, so everyone does live pretty near to each other which makes doing things together much easier.

A couple things come to mind about this. What about poorer or more urban environments. Would those be accepted if only they had large enough room to host 15-30 people? Seems cool for big suburban areas. Also I don’t like the constant feeling of instability. I went to a mega church focused on small groups, seems like the cliques all group up, and some groups begin and end and you have to find a new group every 2 years. Granted I was in the young adult range with people moving away for college/military/jobs, and they’d get married and begin married couple small group. But still, kinda weird to just be dropped and the leaders move on without you. Or if you don’t get on well with your new group.

@reedermh

3 жыл бұрын

Or, in my case, the group "reconstitutes" for a different demographic, and you're "invited" to find a new group. Even though you hosted the group in your house for over a year. One of several things which shoved me out of a church, and nearly out of the faith completely.

@richardnoegel275

2 жыл бұрын

"What about poorer or more urban environments?" What about those things in the earliest days? Christianity was from its origins an urban religion. The English word "pagan" means "people who live in the country." ALL Christians lived in cities in the earliest days. Do you think that poor people are a 21st-century phenomenon? Do you think there were no poor people in New Testament times? "I went to a mega church focused on small groups, seems like the cliques all group up, and some groups begin and end and you have to find a new group every 2 years." This was the only way it could be, given that their focus--in your words--was on "small groups," and not on God and His mighty acts. Focusing on something other than Word and Sacraments is a recipe for disaster, which is exactly what these so-called "megachurches" are. It can't be otherwise.

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@Perririri

3 жыл бұрын

Normie

@blade7506

2 жыл бұрын

W

Would this describe the network that Francis Chan recently started?

@ReadyToHarvest

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I think so. www.wearechurch.com/structure-1#homes

@cosmic_order

3 жыл бұрын

@@ReadyToHarvest also is "microchurch" synonymous with "simple church" and "paleochristianity/primitive christianity"?

@ReadyToHarvest

3 жыл бұрын

@@cosmic_order Simple Church is a Seventh-Day adventist microchurch network (www.adventistreview.org/2008-1534-26) and paleochristianity and primitive christianity refer to various structures, some of which may be similar to microchurches.

@acekoala457

3 жыл бұрын

Ew Francis Chan. Honestly I would like to know how he can resolve his views on Papism with this movement.

@cosmic_order

3 жыл бұрын

@@acekoala457 Francis Chan isn't a papist. He clarifies his intentions for meeting with the pope in an interview with Remnant Radio.

This basically sounds almost word for word what weekly small/cell groups are in the UK.

How long did he stay around after planting them? Wasn't it less than a month in Thessalonica?

The main concern I have is with people being firmly rooted and grounded in solid, biblical doctrine so you do need adequate training to handle and teach the Word of God at such a level that it becomes authoritative. You mention trained elders who oversee such groups so I guess this is covered? Has bad doctrine become problematic in such settings?

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

You have the right concern Education for right biblical knowledge is a must for any kind of church.

The way you've described them sounds too much like how the witnesses operate on the local congregation level. Granted, there's a lot of hierarchy and overseeing within the whole witness organization. But on the congregation level, that's basically how things are 😅

I think one downfall would be that there may be looser restrictions on who could be a pastor.

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

2 жыл бұрын

In the mennonite church I go to, it seems similar to this. All the men get a chance to preach sometimes, and when a new pastor is needed (they have 3 currently), every member votes because they all know each other. They looked at the bible for choosing a new pastor too (in Titus I think, it talks about this)

This sounds exactly like how early Christianity was practiced.

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

I agree.

this concept sounds amazing...hmm

Every individual a missionary? Would a church not want some quality control before encouraging That New Kid (TM) to try and evangialize?

@jameswhitley4101

3 жыл бұрын

I think that, if you're not discipling the kid, whether you throw him into the deep end to evangelize or have him sit on a pew for the rest of your life, it makes no difference. The micro-churches I am familiar with are all primarily concerned with discipleship, in order for That New Kid (TM) may know how to walk with Christ and teach others to obey all He has commanded us.

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

2 жыл бұрын

How much training do you need to spread the simple gospel?

@JohnVandivier

2 жыл бұрын

@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr meh i guess enough to keep a member onboarded and in good standing.

How about microchurches in singles and family households, connected together in community, whose mission is to bring improvement to the neighborhood in which they are located?

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

Yes!

Laconic summary: What are microchurches? MLMs for Jesus.

I almost see vineyard like a microchurch at least the vineyard I attended for 19 years

This sounds like it could be cool for Bible study, missions, community, extracurriculars, etc, but you still need an actual church with actual priests and deacons for Divine Liturgy and enough people to get a good traditional chant going.

@James_Wisniewski

10 ай бұрын

@GarrettW They don't believe the Bible? Because it lays out pretty definitely what the structure of the Church is supposed to be.

how does this differ from a "house" church?

@jackemmakem

2 жыл бұрын

I think they can overlap but microchurches emphasize missions which not all house churches do

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

​@@jackemmakemyes

How about "house churches"? At this point to me it's like trying to nail jello to the wall! I see some resemblance to Christian (Plymouth) Brethren. In the NT there was evidently one city church & I think this is the most common use of ekklesia in the NT (there is also universal church & house church). What have you houses of your own to eat in? Our modern local churches with their buildings, is a thing not found in the NT. I discovered by internet search, that "The Way" seems connected to micro church concept.

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

The church is around our Lord Jesus to do God's will (Mark 3:34-35).

I’m a layman planning on starting a micro church. I’ve got a cache of guns & an old bus half buried on my ranch. Missional living. Friends growing together.

@Seaileanu

Жыл бұрын

That works.

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

Friends or family around Jesus to do God's will (Mark 3:34-35).

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

​@@SeaileanuYes

This is interesting, it looks almoast the same as an idea I was playing with in my mind: it starts of as a christian assembly of bornagain believers from the world or already bornagains who left denominations (minimal 2-3) and then grows and if it reaches 12 people, it splits of relocates and starts over , of course under the leading of the Lord Jesus. And for the rest it operates the same as the original christian asemblies in teachings and form stemming from the 19th century revival. This model prevents dying out of existing meetings of the assemblies. I was thinking of that people may give it the name 12 rs' if it existed.

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

Yes, it is viable.

It appears that being involved in this movement would take an enormous amount of time, energy and resources of the individual. This system sounds more like a group of missionaries who instead of going to a foreign field and being supported by the traditional denomination, this group acts as missionaries in their home area while being completely self-financed. I question whether any "member" would have time for a professional occupation with this type of commitment of time to this venture. In fact, this church "model" appears to be similar to the Jehovah's Witness model.....where members are literally assigned work by the local church and are actually checked to see that it has been performed. The other question is what message (if any) is being disseminated by these "workers".......or perhaps it is of no consequence since the main objective is to form connections with the local community. On the other hand, if really difficult problems do arise in these church cells, dissolution is not complicated at all.......it is just declared to be defunct and everyone moves on. In time, it is inevitable that problems will arise due to practices and legal issues will spring forth just as in traditional church settings. In such an event, the foremost question will be: How can anyone one of these church cells be held responsible since there is no legal form of church body existing (or at least, presently).

@michaellautermilch9185

3 жыл бұрын

This doesn't sound so different from my church's small groups which I help host. I'm able to manage a family, professional career, and teach 3 Bible studies a month under my current schedule. So it is possible.

@AHalfDeadDuckee

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t really take as much time as you think, simply because you are living your life, and being intentional with those who are naturally in your life

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

​@@michaellautermilch9185Yes

How do I find one near me?

@mediocretheologian8521

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe by searching online or starting one with fellow believers

@streltsy

3 жыл бұрын

@Marco Pollo, if you're interested, check out Holybunch(dot)com. they have a website/youtube channel.

@winros

2 жыл бұрын

You have a house you could start one up right now! Both feel obligated you go out you get hors d'oeuvres and make sure there's drinks for everyone people using the bathroom now you're out of toilet paper no one takes her shoes off!

You think you can do a video on the Catholic Neocatechumenal movement?

@GabrielUngacta

3 жыл бұрын

@@56pjr whats next? The sky is not blue? The world is flat? 2+2=3?

@GabrielUngacta

3 жыл бұрын

@@56pjr if thats the case then YOU are not Christian.

@GabrielUngacta

3 жыл бұрын

@@56pjr these are facts. Yes. So Catholic is Christian. If Catholic isnt Christian, then you arent Christian. Thats just the basic facts. And facts dont care about your feelings.

@kevinerose

3 жыл бұрын

I'd like to hear about Catholic Neocatechumenal movement or how Catholics can do micro churches at their parish.

@GabrielUngacta

3 жыл бұрын

@@kevinerose or other Catholic movements.

Sounds like a perfect place for the telephone game. Everyone share his own little believes and fews in a house and change slowly the course of the churches and the religion, instead of having a big collective that get sure the believes stays in the right way. Sounds amazing ... not

@63stratoman

3 жыл бұрын

I can appreciate your concerns and Pastors, Elders, Teachers, Etc., are quite biblical and should never be dismissed. There should be some oversight but what about the role of the Holy Spirit and the gift of discernment among the members? Errors and heresy can cultivate and take root at the “micro” level as it has at the “macro” level!

@michaellautermilch9185

3 жыл бұрын

Oh the other hand, in a mega church where 10k people in the church are under the leadership of maybe 10-20 church leaders, if that small group of leaders gets something wrong then a whole lot of people can be misled!

@mkshffr4936

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaellautermilch9185 Which is what the Presbytery is for.

@dariankaltenbach8062

2 жыл бұрын

Big collective that makes certain you can pay your way into heaven. *cough cough*

@richardnoegel275

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaellautermilch9185 And that is exactly what happens in these "megachurches." It's the only thing that CAN happen b/c their focus is on their own selves; on ephemeral human emotions rather than on Word and Sacrament. They focus on entertainment and worldly things exclusively.

Please enable subtitles!

@watcherwlc53

3 жыл бұрын

yeah we really need the closed captioning to follow along

Sounds like the Amway model.

How would I connect with a microchurch. Is there a website for information?

@ReadyToHarvest

3 жыл бұрын

Because it is a concept of church structure, it I refer you to any particular group, it may not line up theologically with what you are looking for. The concept is open so it's not all centralized. There may be charismatic, Baptist, Methodist, or Reformed microchurches. So you would need to check around on the websites of churches near you. Here is one of the organizations that I resourced in preparing this video. www.undergroundnetwork.org/

@dsheppard8492

3 жыл бұрын

@@ReadyToHarvest Thanks for the follow up. I will check it out.

@streltsy

3 жыл бұрын

you should check out Holybunch(dot)com. an international network, but is all in complete unity.

@jameswhitley4101

3 жыл бұрын

No Place Left is another microchurch movement that you should check out

Micro-churches are not a new movement, but rather a return to Basic Christianity Book of Acts style.

@spiderb3367

3 жыл бұрын

Not really

@busker153

3 жыл бұрын

@@spiderb3367 Yes, really.

@spiderb3367

3 жыл бұрын

@@busker153 Christianity without the episcopate lol

@busker153

3 жыл бұрын

@@spiderb3367 You like making quippy little statements. Do you even understand what you just said? What do you think, "The Episcopate" is? What do you think the Church is?

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

2 жыл бұрын

@@busker153 Church means assembly in Greek, so the church is the community of people, like the video describes :)

I was an skeptic. Then I had experiences with demons and occultism, and became a satanist. Thank God I left the cult of the dragon, for it is DEATH. After that I trying to make sense out of the world we live in after I learned about the spiritual. My sister, who was pentecostal, and a Catholic friend were and are my main source of discussion, hermeneutics, Eschatology and prayer. We might not agree on all points but we share a common ground regarding how to build a relationship with the Lord. They are my church if you ask me, because they're the ones who built my faith and perfect it, and I was able to perfect them in theirs during my learning process. In blind obedience to an institution or an authority becomes hypocrisy, because we do things that we are not convinced or we do not feel like doing and we deceive our hearts. But nothing is hidden from God. Trust the scripure, do your research, and BE HUMBLE. BE HUMBLE, HUMBLE HUMBLE. Number 1 lesson of every man of God is being HUMBLE, because our God is humble. Jesus is humble, yet he is THE LORD. God hates soverb. LISTEN to whatever man or angel says, but *DO NOT BELIEVE THEM*. Test it with the scripture. Many churches fall victims of demonic spirits and call them "prophets" and "holy spirit". As a former satanist I know how to tell apart demon from God. Obey the scripture, not man. Ask God for guidance. We fail, we're humans. God will work on us to make us better. God is there to teach us, and he is abundant in patience and mercy. Flee hate and vane discussion, remember Matthew 5 and you will get there eventually. The church of Christ is not a temple, for our body is temple of the holy spirit. Sanctify yourself and pray a lot. God bless.

@richardnoegel275

2 жыл бұрын

You are in great spiritual danger. I urge you most strongly to follow your own advice--be humble. Your pridefulness is astonishing. That's what you are telling us when you say that you can find your own way. That is false. That is Satanic. I urge you to find a sound teacher to instruct you in the Faith. You are blind and you are being led by the blind and, as Christ told us, you will all end up in a ditch. and that's if you are lucky.

This strikes me as a universalist social club.

@SiceloKhumalo-mx9fi

3 ай бұрын

It's not, search online they are mostly evangelical

This is so unsettling.

I would like to start a microchurch

@EmbracingBiblicalWisdom

7 ай бұрын

Yes, do it prayerfully according to God's wisdom😊

Interesting concept for combatting the anti-church movement. Certain concepts could be applied for church planting or activating teams of evangelists based off skill set, but it’s overall doctrinally unmanageable. It appears to be created by somebody who read Acts & said, “look how it was done back then” with reckless disregard for if it should be done or if it was done merely in a formative of transitional phase.

@richardnoegel275

2 жыл бұрын

Well said.

This is generally how Mormons operate, just with a building a central doctrinal teaching layout. Layman leaders, missional leaders, different congregation members speaking during the main meeting and the side meetings the happen before or after are lead like conversations, rather than lessons. The description of Microchurches sound like how the early LDS church spread.f

Sad this this idea is novel and new to many.

@seanrea550

3 жыл бұрын

It goes back to the proper concept of ministry which is to serve. In catholic circles, alot of programs and services are listed as ministries, this includes some that have direct involvement with the mass that do not need to be done by the priest or decan, the reading that are not the gospels, music, hospitality. External ministries would be soup kitchen and prison ministry.