Father Gruner inspires me RIP

I always felt that the administration of the Eucharist should be done by the priest . I never like taking it from anyone else. And thank you for letting everyone know about receiving the Lord in the mouth, and not by hand.

They have three priests and a deacon at my church and six Eucharistic ministers. I only go to the priest.

@moominpupa

4 жыл бұрын

I always go to the priest, even if I have to jump into the queue next to me.

@itsnando20

4 жыл бұрын

Daniel Pan yeah, because the consecrated hands of the priest should be the only one to touch the Body of Christ

@patsyoconner9506

3 жыл бұрын

yes but has not the priests hands touched the same things and places as lay people

@richarddylan5421

3 жыл бұрын

@@patsyoconner9506 it does not matter. His hands are ordained. Just like during your baptism your tongue is sprinkled with salt and exorcised so you can receive communion on it.

@STHFGDBY

3 жыл бұрын

@@itsnando20 Absolutely right.

Fr. Gruner is correct. Pope John Paul's encyclical, Inaestimabile Donum supports what he is saying. It must be a real necessity. 9. "Eucharistic Communion. Communion is a gift of the Lord, given to the faithful through the minister appointed for this purpose. It is not permitted that the faithful should themselves pick up the consecrated bread and the sacred chalice, still less that they should hand them from one to another. 10. The faithful, whether religious or lay, who are authorized as extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist can distribute Communion only when there is no priest, deacon or acolyte, when the priest is impeded by illness or advanced age, or when the number of the faithful going to Communion is so large as to make the celebration of Mass excessively long.(20) Accordingly, a reprehensible attitude is shown by those priests who, though present at the celebration, refrain from distributing Communion and leave the task to the laity. 11. The Church has always required from the faithful respect and reverence for the Eucharist at the moment of receiving it. With regard to the manner of going to Communion, the faithful can receive it either kneeling or standing, in accordance with the norms laid down by the episcopal conference: "When the faithful communicate kneeling, no other sign of reverence towards the Blessed Sacrament is required, since kneeling is itself a sign of adoration. When they receive Communion standing, it is strongly recommended that, coming up in a procession, they should make a sign of reverence before receiving the sacrament." The faithful have a right to kneel if they wish, without being refused. Cardinal Medina Estevez wrote to an English speaking bishop and informed him: "It is a grave violation of one's basic right to refuse to give Communion to someone on their knees." "A grave violation," you see, to a priest if he refuses anyone on their knees. Larry Wethington

@raulbaquero5081

4 жыл бұрын

Great information that no one knows...God bless you !

@knightblossom8407

3 жыл бұрын

thank you so much for taking the time to respond with that information - it is very appreciated

@anneclark9508

2 жыл бұрын

Thank You. I wish the Pope had exhibited more courage and squashed the practice at its beginning

@larrywethington5746

2 жыл бұрын

@@anneclark9508 Yes. He was the one who kept telling us, ''Be not afraid.''

I love these men! I love Fr. Gruner and John V.

God bless you Fr Gruner for standing for the truth. Pray for priests from above

Thank you Father Gruner , you're a truth disciple of Jesus Christ .God and Virgen Mary bless you🙏🙏🙏

I ad to receive from a lay person today because the priest sat down and let 3 men and 1 woman administer the host. I'm just getting back to church and Iniw I must find a traditional one. Jesus please lead me to a proper mass. Amen

@TheFatimaCenter

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for your comment. Below are some directories in which you may hopefully find a Traditional Mass location in your own area. God bless you. sspx.org/en/mass-locator fssp.com/locations/ www.latinmassdir.org/

@drywalllifetv6265

2 ай бұрын

​@TheFatimaCenter Is it a mortal sin to receive holy communion from a Eucharistic Minister?

The LAW IS LAW....GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS

Where there is confusion - satan is present.

I wish we have that communion rail in front of the altar, where one can kneel before the priest, like in the old days w

Thank you so much for talking about which fingers St. Isaac Jogues had chewed off. I think if more priests knew about his martyrdom they would show more reverence toward the Eucharist.

First time I saw this was in Australia, when I came there from an old continent and from a more traditional upbringing. At the moment I believed I took the wrong turn and have entered a wrong church, some Protestant perhaps, or that it must be some joke, that people coming out from crowd wearing shorts and tees are administering communion in hand. But then I noticed this nonchalance is widespread, and almost in every church I visited. At least when we know the truth, it is then left to our knowledge and discernment not to receive communion in such a way - despite everybody else rushing into the line to get the communion in the hand and from lay ministers. We should change the queue, insist we receive it from the priest, show sign of adoration, and according to law of the Church, receive it on the tongue. And if we can, inform the others.

@MichElle-sd6gj

7 жыл бұрын

Zvonimir, I am a happy & proud Catholic when I hear such wonderful remarks from our men folk like you. :)) browse Dr. Bella V. Dodd to know who runs as well as ruins the True Catholic Church.

@timothyfreeman97

6 жыл бұрын

Zvonimir Tosic might I ask which parish in Australia it was? I feel like it might be the same one i attended this morning

@vayacondios9972

6 жыл бұрын

We also have the right to ask our Priest that we receive Holy Communion on the tongue, and have the right not to accept it otherwise.

@patrickfoley4990

6 жыл бұрын

Receiving Holy Communion in the hand and by lay ministers is something people under the age of 60 have grown up with and have come to believe is permissible It would be up to Our Good Shepherds to institute directives to the faithful We the parishioners have always complied with Church directives so let's put the responsibility where it belongs It would show a lack of respect for the Eucharist if we were to argue and jockey for position while queuing for the Blessed Sacrament

@terri4417

6 жыл бұрын

Zvonimir Tosic You should find a church in your area that does the Tridentine Mass. It follows the traditional way of celebrating the mass and receiving communion in the tongue and people have to kneel down. I personally disapproved the way the Ordinary Mass is done, the people have no reverence during the Mass, and talking loudly while still in the church after Mass while there are some people praying g after the Mass.

I never felt right receiving communion in the hand, and not from a Extraordinary Minister of the Eucharist, but could not articulate why. I just knew it wasn't right, so there was always this spiritual dissonance going on. Finally, a Filipino woman told me - "because our hands aren't consecrated!" So I finally had that answer. I also could not stand watching women, some of them in short dresses totally inappropriate for Mass, giving out communion. SO Cringy!! Our priest has brought back the altar rails & allows Communion on the tongue - although due to covid he allows on the hand as well... But he does encourage on the tongue. It's been a rough few years & I'm sure because of our offenses (& I've done my share), we got some rough times ahead... Pray for us Fr Gruner!

@jackiecaprari6831

Жыл бұрын

I have never received communion from an extraordinary minister. Four weeks ago, our parish priest gave communion to two first communion children and then sat down as he had hurt his knee. For the past 6 weeks, he still doesn’t give communion, only ministers do this. I spoke to him that I was unable to receive OurLord because he sat down and he told me I was ridiculous not receiving from ministers as they had been available for over 59 years! He just didn’t care how I felt. I now go to another church. This is so wrong and no one seems to care how I feel.

@IesuRexGloriae

Жыл бұрын

I go to daily Holy Mass and I always receive Holy Communion on the tongue while kneeling. I belong to Corpus Christi FSSP and only have once a week TLM on Sundays in church I go to daily which is N.O. Mass and today whenever this pastor offers the Holy Mass during Communion he would always goes to the other side of the altar and let 2 Lay Ministers give Communion to the people in front and I always sit in the first pew and I felt like the Holy Spirit asks me not to desecrate Christ by receiving His body and blood by unordained hands. So I did not receive the Holy Communion instead I prayed the Spiritual Communion and offered it up to God me not receiving Him today at the Mass for salvation of humanity...Traditional Priests would always advise it is always best to refrain from receiving Holy Communion given by someone who is not a priest or ordained because it is. a sacrilege.

More Catholics need to see this video, as the Laity it is not in our place to be touching the Eucharist.

@guadalupegonzalez9132

9 ай бұрын

*RIGHT*. I found it today, and I am already sending it, to the members of my family. Thanks, God bless🙏

@TheFatimaCenter ... AMEN, AMEN, AMEN.... I agree with this video 100%

Why do clergy hold the Monstrance with Vestments during Adoration allow laity to distribute and receive The Holy Communion in the hand?

It's up to YOU...to save your soul.... I pass by many churches to get to a lawful church.

Also the main thing is to be in a state of grace while receiving the living Jesus in the form of the host. So asking for forgiveness even right before receiving Him.

Holy Eucharist should only be received on the tongue while kneeling and not in the hand! The reason is that Holy Eucharist is God Himself and we have to treat Him dignity and respect by receiving Him on the tongue while kneeling. We should not be afraid of the Coronavirus that only kill the body and not our souls. However, we must fear God alone because He can destroy our bodies and souls in hell! Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen!

Jesus, I trust in you!

It makes it so hard at Church when the priest doesn't always go to the same side when you go to sit at a pew before mass starts. It is harder and harder to do things the right way in these end times so I now prefer the Latin Mass where I always get The Holy Communion in a reverent manner without worry but to see my family who goes to the regular Catholic Mass which is going down the wrong path I have to sometimes go to that Mass. It is very disheartening in these end times.

@kimthames2531

5 жыл бұрын

so true...so true

@larrywethington3175

5 жыл бұрын

Sit close to the back and you can switch lines if need be.

@kimthames2531

5 жыл бұрын

@@larrywethington3175 yep

@ricardotorres1938

5 жыл бұрын

It doesnt matter then go to the side where the priest is regardless i do it all the time and kneel when receiving christ ur not here to please people your here to please god do not allow anyone or anything to move from christ

@peterm6005

Жыл бұрын

You should change the line anyway and always and be very reverent about it

No one should handle The Eucharist except for the Priest.. not deacons, not “extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers “

Thank you for speaking the truth

Praised be our Lord Jesus Christ. This is one of the best explanation to the fact that it is wrong to receive Jesus in the hands. And it is true that some priests now just sit back on their chairs while the ministers give out the Eucharist. Sad that they dont even know whats wrong anymore.

Thank you for this video. It confirms what I feel.

@Nandaddy

5 ай бұрын

What do you feel?

@thuyyuen2897

5 ай бұрын

@@Nandaddy I started to want to only receive the Eucharist through the priest. It takes a big effort to do that sometimes. Sometimes I wondered if I am too extreme then I came into this video.

Eucharistic Minister I became one in the 1980's we have a special mass when the priest pastor blessed me I felt the Holy Spirit enter my body no lie it's hard to explain the feeling but I did feel it I don't know what else to tell you people but Jesus was with me that special day and he still is God did it to me so don't call me crazy it was his plan for me, Can't turn down GOD!

@desertscentcandlesdunson9118

3 жыл бұрын

I'm in the same situation! Comment welcomed

@marcelasius

Жыл бұрын

Eucharistic minister myself, i feel the same situation as you

@narutoninjagoandtheflashar4256

5 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@marcelasiussame. Like, I feel so much more closer to god when I pass out the Eucharist to people receiving it. It’s like atm, I could feel God’s power enter my body. He’s giving me strength, etc

@nancyjohnson5483

2 ай бұрын

I am just beginning training for long term care facilities and home visits. I pray about this. God Bless.

@narutoninjagoandtheflashar4256

2 ай бұрын

@@nancyjohnson5483 this is my first year doing it. But I’m only doing in the church ⛪️ as of right now

I used to be an extra ordinary Eucharistic minister but after I learned and understand that we are not worthy of being one because we are not consecrated to do so I stop doing it. If indult is an act of disobedience then those responsible of allowing it committed a grave error thus making a sacriligious communion.

@guadalupegonzalez9132

9 ай бұрын

AMÉN!

Well said!

Also in my Catholic Church when the Church is full they have people sitting around the Alter. That just horrifies me.

@patsyoconner9506

3 жыл бұрын

it is a good job then you were not born in apostles time you would have to have received Holy communion in some bodies house oh my my

@guitarlad89

3 ай бұрын

*altar

I ALREADY KNOW HIS ANSWER WITHOUT WATCHING THIS.

If we all got in Father’s line as we wet up for the Eucharist, maybe things would change. I’ve been doing that for many years. On a related note, I once went up for Holy Communion and since I always receive on the tongue, my hands were not extended. The extraordinary minister of Holy Communion didn’t know what to do, so he gave me a blessing! What a sad state of affairs.

@sandygrogg1203

4 жыл бұрын

Marta Acosta EMHC’s cannot give blessings..

@narutoninjagoandtheflashar4256

5 ай бұрын

@@sandygrogg1203thankfully, there’s a new law that forbids that now

can't blame the good people have to blame all the priest

@NaYawkr

5 жыл бұрын

I personally know a priest who admits his 1970's seminary formation left out a lot he has since discovered on his own. I do not see blaming such a man as an option, and I will discuss this with him, among others.

@chipblackwood704

5 жыл бұрын

I agree with you to an extent. We can blame the priest but we also can blame the people with good intentions. As lay people we should be educating ourselves and not relying on the priest solely for catechesis. A lot of responsibility is on us as lay people to understand church law and bring it to our parish priests attention that these wrong doings keep happening

@raulbaquero5081

4 жыл бұрын

IS the bishop's RESPONSABILITY !!

I counted 14-16 EMHC’s one Sunday... The parish is very large...but...

Ok so today I was put on the spot and had to receive from a Eucharistic minister at the last second..if I'd had time to think about it I would have left and gone back to my seat...I've felt sick and disturbed about it all day...I would never ever receive holy communion on my hand so the thought of receiving from a lay person's hand sickens me. I was angry that the priest who knew he was about to run out of hosts didn't break the last host in two..I'm just kicking myself for not walking away.

So in receiving the Eucharist , should we not receive the host and what happens to the actual consecrated host administered by other than a consecrated minister? When consumed by the individual, what are they then actually consuming?

@TheFatimaCenter

3 жыл бұрын

There is no question of a validly consecrated host becoming anything other than the Body, Blood, Soul, and divinity of Our Lord due to being handled by an "extraordinary minister." Nevertheless we strongly urge you to have no part in that unlawful and abusive practice. God bless you.

I feel receiving the Eucharist has just become something ' mechanical ' and without thought and reverence.

OK, I'm an idiot ! The Communion in the hand, from the lay person now labeled a "Eucharistic Minister " I have received 'communion' from for many years. Now I am a man trained by the Priest in charge of the Shrine of Our Lady where I live, and other members of the men only group that meets there because the priests want more men involved in everything, especially The Mass. I am ONLY a Lector, nothing else. Many women are Eucharistic Ministers, and I do recall being informed that the Bishop in my diocese had given approval for these 'Eucharistic Ministers', so My response was, " Well, OK, so long as the Bishop did this it must be OK !" I do mention that we have many people in my parish (different from the Shrine where I lector about once a month) who bring The Holy Eucharist to the sick and the homebound, sent off every week by the hands of the Priest (usually the pastor) of my Diocese. Am I now to understand that all of this is a Sin, a MORTAL SIN ? ? ? And Kneeling for Holy Communion ? I have been receiving the host and drinking from the Chalice while standing. Is that all now a Mortal Sin As Well ? ?

@TheFatimaCenter

5 жыл бұрын

We encourage you to find a trustworthy confessor with whom to discuss these questions very seriously. sspx.org/en/mass-locator

@kevinquinn1993

5 жыл бұрын

In order for a Grave Sin, (Mortal Sin) to be committed, three elements must exist. According to the teaching of The Catholic Church: First, it must be grave matter. That is, it must be a mortally sinful act. Second, it must be understood by the person who performs the act that it is mortally sinful. Third, it must be the free choice of the person committing the act to commit it anyway, KNOWING it to be Gravely sinful. It is not possible to commit a Mortal Sin by honestly participating in The Holy Sacrifice of The Mass according to one's honest understanding of what is required and prohibited.

@TheFatimaCenter

5 жыл бұрын

It is not our place to accuse you of sin. We are happy to discuss these topics with you, and to help lead you to better sources of information than those on which you are presently relying, such as the following: a) Sacred Scripture "Who can understand sins? From my secret ones cleanse me, O Lord. ... The sins of...my ignorances do not remember..., O Lord." (Ps 18: 13; 24: 7) "The way of a fool is right in his own eyes...." (Prov 12: 15) "There is a way which seemeth right [and] just to a man: but the ends thereof lead to death." (Prov 14: 12; 16: 25) "Who is the man that can understand his own way? ... Every way of a man seemeth right to himself, but the Lord weigheth the hearts." (Prov 20: 24; 21: 2) "There is a generation...that are pure in their own eyes, and yet are not washed from their filthiness." (Prov 30: 11, 12) "[F]ools...know not what evil they do." (Ecc 4: 17) "The congregation of the proud shall not be healed: for the plant of wickedness shall take root in them, and it shall not be perceived." (Eccus 3: 30) "[A]t the last [the sinner] discovereth his wickedness." (Eccus 14: 7) "[H]e that walketh in darkness, knoweth not whither he goeth." (Jn 12: 35) "They will put you out of the synagogues: yea, the hour cometh, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God. And these things will they do to you; because they have not known the Father, nor Me." (Jn 16: 2, 3) "I...before was a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and contumelious. But I obtained the mercy of God, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief." (1 Tim 1: 13) "[H]e that hateth his brother, is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth; because the darkness hath blinded his eyes." (1 Jn 2: 11) b) Church Fathers and Doctors St. Augustine [Clarifying that St. Paul was indeed sinning while he persecuted the Church, his sincerity and ignorance and zeal notwithstanding:] "If a bad will ought always to be left to its own freedom, why was Paul not left to the free use of that most perverted will with which he persecuted the Church? Why was he thrown to the ground that he might be blinded, and struck blind that he might be changed, and changed that he might be sent as an apostle, and sent that he might suffer for the truth’s sake such wrongs as he had inflicted on others when he was in error?" (Letter CLXXIII, To Donatus: iii; emphasis added) St. Thomas Aquinas [Commenting on Romans 10: 18-21, "But I ask, have they not heard? ... Again I ask, did Israel not understand? ... Isaiah is so bold as to say, ‘I have been found by those who did not seek Me; I have shown Myself to those who asked not after Me.’ But of Israel he says, ‘All the day long I have held out My hands to a people who do not believe, but contradict Me.’"] "After showing that the fall of the Jews is pitiable, because they sinned from ignorance, here the Apostle shows that their fall is not entirely excusable; because their ignorance was not invincible or rooted in necessity, but somehow voluntary. ... First, because they heard the teaching of the Apostles; secondly, from what they knew from the teachings of the Law and of the prophets." (Commentary on Romans) St. Thomas Aquinas "Whether ignorance excuses from sin altogether? Augustine says (De Lib. Arb. iii, 18) that 'some things done through ignorance are rightly reproved.' Now those things alone are rightly reproved which are sins. Therefore some things done through ignorance are sins. Therefore ignorance does not altogether excuse from sin. "I answer that...ignorance can be the...indirect...cause of a sinful act...[in that it] removes an impediment...[to] the act of sin.... [For] the reason directs human acts...[by] employ[ing] a syllogism: ...thus a man is restrained from an act of parricide, by the knowledge that it is wrong to kill one’s father, and that this man is his father. Hence ignorance about either of these two propositions, viz. of the universal principle which is a rule of reason, or of the particular circumstance, could cause an act of parricide. ... [Thus, in such a case] ignorance is said to cause the act which the contrary knowledge would have prevented, ...[and such] ignorance which is the cause of the act, since it makes it to be involuntary, of its very nature excuses from sin, because voluntariness is essential to sin. "If, however, the knowledge, which is removed by ignorance, would not have prevented the act, on account of the inclination of the will thereto, the lack of this knowledge does not make that man unwilling, but not willing, ...and such like ignorance which is not the cause of the sinful act...does not excuse from sin. The same applies to any ignorance that does not cause, but follows or accompanies the sinful act. ... "[But even that] ignorance which is the cause of the act...may fail to excuse altogether from sin.... [T]his may happen on the part of the ignorance itself, because, to wit, this ignorance is voluntary, either directly, as when a man wishes of set purpose to be ignorant of certain things that he may sin the more freely; or indirectly, as when a man, through stress of work or other occupations, neglects to acquire the knowledge which would restrain him from sin. For such like negligence renders the ignorance itself voluntary and sinful, provided it be about matters one is bound and able to know. Consequently this ignorance does not altogether excuse from sin." (Summa Theologica, I-II q.76 a.1&3) St. Bernard "Perhaps he who asserts that a person cannot sin through ignorance never prays for his ignorances, but laughs at the prophet who prays: 'O Lord, remember not the sins of my ignorances!' (Ps 24: 7). Perhaps he even reproves God, Who requires satisfaction for the sin of ignorance, for in Leviticus He speaks of 'sin through ignorance.' If ignorance were never a sin, why is it that the High Priest entered the second tabernacle with blood, which he offered 'for his own ignorance and for the ignorance of the people' (Heb 9: 7)? If one never sins through ignorance, then what do we hold against those who killed the Apostles, since they truly did not know that to kill them was evil but rather thought that they were 'doing a service to God' (Jn 16: 2)? Thus, also, Our Savior prayed in vain on the Cross for those who crucified Him since, as He Himself testifies, they were ignorant of what they were doing (Lk 23: 34) and thus they did not sin at all! Neither should anyone suspect that the Apostle could have lied when he said: 'For, if they had known it, they would never have crucified the Lord' (1 Cor 2: 8). Is it not sufficiently clear, from these passages, in what great ignorance the man lies who does not know that one can sometimes sin through ignorance?" (Epistle to Hugh of St. Victor, On Baptism)

@larrywethington3175

5 жыл бұрын

We are not saying it is a mortal sin but it can be a sin if one knows better. If you were taught wrong,that's not your fault. I was too, but I started doing research and found out the truth. Now I do it the right way, regardless of what the bishop or priest says. Faith is greater than obedience, if our faith and knowledge show us the truth on one side, and the clergy are telling us something on the other side, we have to disobey them and do it the right way. Many of the clergy are disobedient to Rome. period. Cdl. Seper told Michael Davies personally in the 1980's that "the Holy Father no longer exercises any effective authority over the United States bishops.'' In 1989 Father John O'Connor said Cdl. Gagnon told them in Rome, (concerning the abuses), "The pope knows. The pope already knows. The American bishops are in schism, and the Holy Father cannot get then to obey!" When they changed us around to Communion in the hand, not one word was said about looking in the hands for Sacred Particles. Yet if people don't look in their hands for Particles, these Particles that break off are falling on the floor. Sacrilege! Fr. John O'Connor: www.voxcatholica.com/feed/2018/4/28/fr-john-oconnor-the-marxist-subversion-of-the-catholic-church

What are the norms for EMHC for homebound? Given the number, driving time, time of the rite, and visiting with the sick/hombound?

@TheFatimaCenter

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for your question. We urge you to have no part in this practice. God bless you.

We have extraordinary ministers all over the place but they dismiss the original Mass as extraordinary. Great logic there. Extraordinary Mass which was the original Mass is ousted but extraordinary ministers are more than welcome.

Reception on the tongue while kneeling and from a priest requires advance preparation. One must know where the priest will stand to distribute Holy Communion and one must know which pews line up where he is. Many parishes have an established routine regarding this. Also, if one is visiting a different parish, advance preparation for the possibility of being asked to stand, chided or humiliated publicly, is a good idea.

@marijoheitman2577

6 жыл бұрын

that right Find a Traditional Latin Mass

@sisterpacifica

5 жыл бұрын

Only way is to find a good Traditional Church!

@sandygrogg1203

4 жыл бұрын

that right The priest ...and deacon...are always in the same place in my parish.

@shanerobison3392

2 жыл бұрын

"from the fear of being humiliated, deliver me O Jesus"

Why did we remove the Eucharist from the middle of the Church on a small table to betaken infront with offerings? Why was Latin mass abolished?

@larrywethington5746

2 жыл бұрын

The freemasonic/communist infiltration. Read AA-1025 MEMOIRS OF AN ANTI-APOSTLE

The first Apostles took Communion in their hands. Also, We have 1 Priest and no Deacon. How could he possibly have time to bring the Eucharist to all the nursing homes, hospitals and shut-ins? He needs the help of Eucharistic Ministers.

@TheFatimaCenter

4 жыл бұрын

To be more precise, if the question regards the current practice of laymen receiving the Blessed Sacrament into their hands and administering Holy Communion to themselves, this certainly was not the case at the Last Supper since there were no laymen present. But even the supposition that the Apostles communicated themselves, rather than receiving Holy Communion directly from Our Lord, is problematic. Try doing an online image search for "Communion of the Apostles" and you may discover that your experience has slanted your assumption. In Fra Angelico's time, the assumption was the opposite. God bless you.

can someone post a link/info where it is against the law to receive communion in the hand? Also, where do I find the conditions where the indult states communion in the hand is an exception? I'm looking for the official documents/canon law/CCC from the Catholic Church where it states what Fr. Gruner was saying in the video. Thank you

@TheFatimaCenter

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this important question. The permission which is generally understood to exist for “Communion in the Hand” depends on strict conditions requiring that the practice includes no danger of profanation, that it serves to increase the recipient's faith in the Real Presence, and that it incorporates adequate care that no particles of the Blessed Sacrament are lost. But such conditions are manifestly impossible to fulfill since these dangers (of profanation, loss of faith, and desecration of particles) are inseparable from the practice of Communion in the hand. Clearly, then, as the law of the Church requires Holy Communion to be administered on the tongue unless these impossible conditions are satisfied, there exists in fact no permission for this travesty. Father Gruner took great pains to demonstrate the fact that Communion on the tongue remains the law of the Church even today, as is officially published in the 1969 Instruction Memoriale Domini. (In the meantime, other documents including the April 3, 1980 Instruction Inaestimabile Donum issued by the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship confirm that the Instruction Memoriale Domini is still in effect.) In Appendix IV of the book, Fatima Priest (online at fatima.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Fatima-Priest.pdf beginning on page 358), Father Gruner provided an unofficial translation of the above-mentioned Instruction issued by the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship to the Conferences of Catholic Bishops which had petitioned the Holy See for permission to allow the practice of Communion in the hand. Outside sources are also easily found. The official Latin text of Memoriale Domini, along with an accompanying letter (in French) issued by the same Congregation, is found in the 1969 volume of the Acta Apostolicae Sedis on pages 541-547, here: www.vatican.va/archive/aas/documents/AAS-61-1969-ocr.pdf Inaestimabile Donum begins on page 331 here: www.vatican.va/archive/aas/documents/AAS-72-1980-ocr.pdf Two unofficial English translations of Memoriale Domini can be found online at these sites: www.catholictradition.org/Eucharist/memoriale.htm www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/instruction-on-the-manner-of-distributing-holy-communion-2195 and a translation of Inaestimabile Donum here: www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/instruction-on-the-holy-eucharist-2179 (see paragraph 2 of the Forward). A more recent document, the 2004 instruction Redemptionis sacramentum (regulating certain matters to be observed or avoided regarding the Most Holy Eucharist), also upholds the fact that each of the faithful always has the right to receive on the tongue, and that it is illicit to deny Communion to any of the faithful who are not impeded by law. A subsequent response issued by the same Congregation in July 2009 verified that these facts of Church law remain unaffected during times of pandemic (at that time, the swine flu pandemic). Not surprisingly, however, present-day authority figures are attempting to ignore the law. www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican-upholds-bishop-over-reception-of-communion-on-tongue-77862 God bless you.

@mpkropf5062

2 ай бұрын

The condition of the heart is what’s most important! Not on whether it’s taken in the hands or tongue! In the beginning it was placed on a cloth in the hand ( never on the tongue) but you ate it from your hand and never touched it! Father Alar explained “ if you touch it you are feeling yourself and not Jesus feeding you!”

Please show where we can find a link to the law that still exists that you mentioned above and thank you.

@TheFatimaCenter

9 жыл бұрын

You can read a lengthy discussion about this topic on our website at www.fatimapriest.com/Appendix5.htm The Vatican website does not seem to have posted the 1969 instruction Memoriale Domini, but a google search shows many sites which have posted it. One is www.catholictradition.org/Eucharist/memoriale.htm You will notice the affirmation toward the end of the document, "The Apostolic See therefore strongly urges bishops, priests, and people to observe zealously this law, valid and again confirmed...."

@larrywethington3175

5 жыл бұрын

Memoriale Domini

Portugal needs Fatima again

@sme7385

3 жыл бұрын

Here in Los Angeles the Lady of Los Angeles should come to Hollywood.

ONLY IN AN EXTREME EMERGENCY OF DEATH OR SICKNESS. THE WAY IT WAS ON THE FIFTIES.

I do dress in 'Church Clothes' for Mass, and that usually means a dress shirt and tie. I suggest you dress as you might when visiting the President of The United States. The Only Begotten Son of God on whom we each depend for our salvation, suggests that HE is infinitely more important than Ronald Reagan, or Bill Clinton, Or Donald Trump could ever have been when they were 'In Office'.

@larrywethington3175

5 жыл бұрын

Amen!

@taraelizabethdensley9475

Ай бұрын

I have my Church clothes, skirts which are at least just below the knee, though usually midi length and 3/4 length sleeve tops

WISH THE CHURCH IS CONSISTENT ALL THE WAYS.

Moreover, the Lord puts in first place obedience.

Are questions still being received and answered.?

@TheFatimaCenter

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you can post a question in the comments section on any of our videos, or submit it by email to thefatimacenter@gmail.com God bless you.

I didnt know this was the church law. Well, I'm happy to know ! I was raised in the eighties, I only learned to take communion in the hand ! That was the way the priests actually teached us. How can it be ?? And this is the case in nearly all churches in northern Europe ! If this is the law, so all those priests are not following the law ? Now, how 're we going to remediate this ? It should be ordered from above ! This, and so many other things , such as the real presence of Christ in the eucharisty , enz are ALL denied from most priests. What can we do as people to change this ? Because this will have to change !!?

@TheFatimaCenter

7 жыл бұрын

How this can be, can be seen in light of Jeremias 3:14-15: "Return, O ye revolting children, saith the Lord, ... and I will give you pastors according to my own heart, and they shall feed you with knowledge and doctrine." The implication of this passage is that if the faithful fail to repent, God would send them bad pastors, wolves, rather than shepherds, who by their negligence and malice would actually lead them to perdition. Saint John Eudes says that this is the worst punishment that God could inflict on His Church: "The most evident mark of God’s anger and the most terrible castigation He can inflict upon the world are manifested when He permits His people to fall into the hands of clergy who are priests more in name than in deed, priests who practice the cruelty of ravening wolves rather than the charity and affection of devoted shepherds … When God permits such things, it is a very positive proof that He is thoroughly angry with His people, and is visiting His most dreadful anger upon them. That is why He cries unceasingly to Christians, “Return, O ye revolting children … and I will give you pastors according to My own heart” (Jer. 3, 14:15). Thus, irregularities in the lives of priests constitute a scourge visited upon the people in consequence of sin." (The Priest: His Dignity and Obligations, Kenedy & Sons, New York, 1947, pp. 9-10.) How this can be remedied, Our Lady of Fatima has shown us: "Pray the Rosary every day in honor of Our Lady of the Rosary, in order to obtain peace for the world ... because only She can help you." (Apparition of July 13, 1917) The Message of Fatima presents this dire alternative to us: we must either expiate the great sins of the world with our blood, or invoke the intervention of the Immaculate Heart of Mary through the Consecration of Russia, which we can obtain by prayer and by sacrificing ourselves for this intention.

@maryrose7355

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this answer. Actually I found faith when I was about 16 years old. That was a grace of God. I was never tought cathechism at school. This was not known in our epoque and schools, allthough it was a catholic one. I was so happy I found God. When I read some good catholic books, in which was I was thought the real presence of Jesus in the eucharistic, it immediately appealed at me, and I believed. When I went into the church on that, and discovered the lawless in there, I was so chocked. Actually none of the priests believed in this reality. Some day I finally met an old priest, who did believe and became a great support to me. Finally I discovered the rosary and Mary. This teached me the immense help of Mary in daily battle as a catholic. I own her everything. When priests today would consecrate their priesthood to Mary and pray their rosary every day, I am very sure they would be not walk astray, but follow the straight teaching of the catholic church. Bless you xx

@buckan8r999

6 жыл бұрын

Find a Traditional Latin Mass; problem fixed.

Please post the Church's source reference for the claim: "...receiving in the hand is against church law". Blessings.

@TheFatimaCenter

6 жыл бұрын

The fact that Communion on the tongue remains the law of the Church is officially published in the 1969 Instruction “Memoriale Domini.” Further, the April 17, 1980 Instruction “Inaestimabile Donum” issued by the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship (now called the Sacred Congregation for the Sacraments and Divine Worship) confirms that the Instruction Memoriale Domini is still in effect. The official text of Memoriale Domini, along with an accompanying letter of instruction issued by the same Congregation, is found in the 1969 volume of the Acta Apostolicae Sedis (the document being in Latin, and the accompanying letter in French) on pages 541-547, here: www.vatican.va/archive/aas/documents/AAS-61-1969-ocr.pdf Inaestimabile Donum begins on page 331 here: www.vatican.va/archive/aas/documents/AAS-72-1980-ocr.pdf Two unofficial English translations of Memoriale Domini can be found online at these sites: www.catholictradition.org/Eucharist/memoriale.htm www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDWMEMOR.HTM and a translation of Inaestimabile Donum here: www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2INAES.HTM (see paragraph 2 of the Forward). In the final section of Appendix V of the first edition (1997) of Fatima Priest (online at www.fatimapriest.com/Appendix5.htm), Father Gruner provided an unofficial translation of the above-mentioned letter of instruction issued by the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship to the Conferences of Catholic Bishops which had petitioned the Holy See for permission to allow the practice of Communion in the hand. The letter outlines seven conditions essential to this permission. Father notes that this permission is predicated on strict conditions (requiring that the practice includes no danger of profanation, that it serves to increase the recipient's faith in the Real Presence, and that it incorporates adequate care that no particles of the Blessed Sacrament are lost), noting at the same time that these dangers (of profanation, loss of faith, and desecration of particles) are inseparable from the practice of Communion in the hand. As the law of the Church forbids the sacramental ministers to give Communion in the hand unless the stipulated -- but impossible -- conditions are satisfied, it is clear that there exists in fact no permission for this practice, and no obligation on the part of the minister to capitulate to the preference of the communicant who seeks to receive the Sacred Host in his hands.

@larrywethington3175

5 жыл бұрын

It's in Memoriale Domini. Pope Paul said: "The traditional manner of receiving is to be retained." As Fr. Gruner explained, "There has to be sufficient reason to go against the law." And Communion in the hand is only an Indult, with conditions attached. If the conditions are not being followed, then it's against the law. They are not being followed. Adam and Eve were allowed to stay in the Garden as long as they followed the conditions. Once they broke them, they were cast out.

what about the wine / blood of christ ?

@jcastellano822

5 жыл бұрын

J&H Simms i was thinking the same thing. Can a lay minister distribute the precious blood?

@ricardotorres1938

5 жыл бұрын

The blood is not being touched by hands

More errors from vatican ll. God Bless you Father

@MichElle-sd6gj

7 жыл бұрын

Hi, please browse Dr. Bella V. Dodd for more truth. Peace.

What to do?

I refuse to take communion in the hand and try to get to the priest as much as possible , but he changes his area each time for different parts of the church . We get a large attendance at our Church as we have people from 35 nations there , There is a lot of lay people that wear a red necklace / cord with the Holy Spirit on it / a bird ….The church has had two extra parts built on to accommodate the large crowds . I am a returning Catholic I like and prefer the old ways , before Vatican 2 got in . But at least our Indian priest does sing the Kyrie Eleison in Latin beautifully and reverently , that is the only thing that reminds me of the old Mass . I get some funny looks from the lay people when I stick out my tongue for Communion , but I will continue to do it . I also jump the queue to make sure I don't miss out on both the Body and Blood of Christ , which does happen sometimes , because there isn't enough to go around . My main reason for going to Mass is because of the Eucharist . I am in Australia . I do not drive and my atheist husband takes me to Mass every sunday , I want to get to a traditional mass , but can't get there , he won't take me , and I don't know where one is .

@TheFatimaCenter

5 жыл бұрын

sspx.org/en/mass-locator

When he days against the law i assume he means canon law? If so where can I find where ot says to receive on the hand is forbidden?

@TheFatimaCenter

2 жыл бұрын

Father Gruner took great pains to demonstrate the fact that Communion on the tongue remains the law of the Church even today, as is officially published in the 1969 Instruction “Memoriale Domini.” Further, the April 17, 1980 Instruction “Inaestimabile Donum” issued by the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship (now called the Sacred Congregation for the Sacraments and Divine Worship) confirms that the Instruction Memoriale Domini is still in effect. The official text of Memoriale Domini, along with an accompanying letter of instruction issued by the same Congregation, is found in the 1969 volume of the Acta Apostolicae Sedis (the document being in Latin, and the accompanying letter in French) on pages 541-547, here: www.vatican.va/archive/aas/documents/AAS-61-1969-ocr.pdf Inaestimabile Donum begins on page 331 here: www.vatican.va/archive/aas/documents/AAS-72-1980-ocr.pdf Two unofficial English translations of Memoriale Domini can be found online at these sites: www.catholictradition.org/Eucharist/memoriale.htm www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/instruction-on-the-manner-of-distributing-holy-communion-2195 and a translation of Inaestimabile Donum here: www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/instruction-on-the-holy-eucharist-2179 (see paragraph 2 of the Forward). In Appendix IV of the book, "Fatima Priest" (online at fatima.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Fatima-Priest.pdf beginning on page 358), Father Gruner provided an unofficial translation of the above-mentioned letter of instruction issued by the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship to the Conferences of Catholic Bishops which had petitioned the Holy See for permission to allow the practice of Communion in the hand. The letter outlines seven conditions essential to this permission. Father notes that this permission is predicated on strict conditions (requiring that the practice includes no danger of profanation, that it serves to increase the recipient's faith in the Real Presence, and that it incorporates adequate care that no particles of the Blessed Sacrament are lost), noting at the same time that these dangers (of profanation, loss of faith, and desecration of particles) are inseparable from the practice of Communion in the hand. As the law of the Church forbids the sacramental ministers to give Communion in the hand unless the stipulated -- but impossible -- conditions are satisfied, it is clear that there exists in fact no permission for this practice, and no obligation on the part of the minister to capitulate to the preference of the communicant who seeks to receive the Sacred Host in his hands.

@hammer5624

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the citation.

Well, the incorrect logic would be that using EMEs is necessary because of the lack of priests. Perhaps that issue is the fruit of VCII. Certainly, as a boy I was not impressed with the option of becoming a priest. I grew up in the heyday of economic progress of the 1960's and 1970's. Went to Catholic grade school. I don't remember ever being lead to think about priesthood as a vocation. I go to Novo Ordus Mass and receive regularly from EME's - almost always from a deacon, though. I'm not sure what to do. How can we repair the Church, if it is indeed out of compliance???

@TheFatimaCenter

5 жыл бұрын

Our Lady of Fatima assures us that there is no possibility of effectively stopping the spread of Russia's errors throughout the world, or of preventing the wars that are thereby fomented and the persecutions of the Church which have brought it to such a state -- except by heeding Her requests for the reparatory devotions to Her Immaculate Heart on the First Saturdays, and for the Consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart by the Pope in union with all of the Catholic bishops of the world: "[God] is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, hunger, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of Reparation on the First Saturdays. If My requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church." What can we do? When Our Lady returned to make Her formal request for the Consecration of Russia, She concluded the apparition with this exhortation: "Sacrifice yourself for this intention, and pray!" We need to do everything in our power to bring about the Consecration of Russia, above all by means of our amendment of life (including all the sacrifices required to observe the Commandments and maintain our souls in the state of grace), our daily Rosaries, and our monthly First Saturday Communion of Reparation for offenses committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary. In this regard, remembering that the First Commandment forbids false worship, we recommend that you assist exclusively at traditional Mass chapels. God bless you. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pKqlucSxo7SdZJs.html sspx.org/en/mass-locator

My reasoning tells me that the bishop of a diocese is a true successor of the apostles and therefore has much greater authority than these two self appointed experts. If bishops approve of Eucharistic lay ministers in the diocese then these two are acting like Pharisees and should perhaps join the other Protestants where they can claim authority based on their own opinions.

@larrywethington5746

2 жыл бұрын

Your reasoning is not acccurate. Do your research. Read Inaestimabile Donum by Pope John Paul, 1980, which forbids Extraordinary ministers, except in case of real necessity. What does the word Extraordinary mean? Also Dominicae Cenae where Pope John Paul tells the clergy again that distributing Holy Communion is a privilege of the ordained.

It came about because of a shortage of priests. In some parishes there is only a communion service. The communion is given by an extraordinary minister of the eucharist because there are no priests. They gave it in the hand. It would have been better if they gave it to the communicant kneeling at the rails. The rails were there to provide for a more reverent receiving.

I will cross the aisle before I take from a Eucharist Minister.

With the Eucharistic Ministers I have seen the ones who offer the wine chalice there will be a drop left after you and they walk away as if it is all done. Is the rest wasted? That is the BLOOD of CHRIST though!

@sandygrogg1203

4 жыл бұрын

Katie Kaboom Someone will either drink the last drops, or it will be poured down a special drain that opens to the ground.

@mpkropf5062

2 ай бұрын

No, if you watch carefully the Priest will pour it all into his challis and take the last before putting it away. He cleans it up right in front of everyone so should not be any questions if you pay attention! 😊

What do we do?

@TheFatimaCenter

4 жыл бұрын

We would urge you to assist exclusively at the traditional rite of Holy Mass. God bless you. sspx.org/en/mass-locator

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Father what if there is a lack of priest? For home bound sick or elderly? If the priest blesses the hands?

@TheFatimaCenter

3 жыл бұрын

The administration of the Sacraments is a priestly duty. If Sundays are too busy for the priest to visit all of his housebound parishioners, let us hope that he finds an opportunity on a weekday or at least at some point in each month. And let us pray for our priests that they magnanimously embrace their vocation. God bless you.

@desertscentcandlesdunson9118

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheFatimaCenter Thank you Father. God bless you.

@Chris-vo8tg

2 жыл бұрын

I say, thank God for Eucharistic Minister's as without these good people, so many devout Catholics would not receive communion. We have very few Priests nowadays and sadly the older ones are dying off. Hardly any new Priests now.

When I was younger, I witnessed in the late 70’s nuns touching The Holy Eucharist distributing it to the parishioners . I knew it was wrong then and I knew it was wrong for the lay to touch The Holy Eucharist. Our Lady at Fatima told us that priests would walk away from their Holy Duties, and that the smoke of Satan will be seen in The Church. I believe humanity is witnessing this today. A Catholic’s duty is to pray for The Church. Satan infiltrated our church, and we see it through some priests. The Church has Bolsheviks and homosexuals wearing collars. Satan is here. A Catholic needs to pray to The Holy Sprit for discernment. GOD Bless America! GOD Bless the American people! Together let’s “ Make America Great Again “ in 2022 and 2024 or we are going to loose this beautiful Republic that Almighty GOD has given us and given to the world to the evils of Communism if it is not too late. GOD Bless!

if you can only take it from a priest, communion time would take FORREVER especially in bigger parishes.

@marcelasius

Жыл бұрын

Very true indeed, in souteast asian catholic churches, the eucharistic minister is very important. Our church full of thousand of people every sunday packed our churches. Don't know about your churches in the western world if people still go to mass there. And we only have one priest to distribute communion... Then how many hours to take just to received that communion?

@guadalupegonzalez9132

8 ай бұрын

It don’t matter…… that’s *their mission*. Another option….they can have two priests. We as Catholics, need to obey God, before men…. If……………we are true faithful Catholics. Which…..I am. 🙏🕯️ I practice the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and the TEACHINGS OF OUR LORD, and SAVIOR.

@femaleKCRoyalsFan

6 ай бұрын

That’s why before Vatican II receiving Kneeling at a communion rail was the norm and I’m pretty sure it probably did not take “forever” as you’re saying… Because everyone would receive only the host, and not from the cup as well (Because that was never in the Norm before Vatican II).

I put this question to a priest, and he told me that it is OK. As supposedly these lay Eucharistic ministers were “mandated” to be able to give communion. What is the correct way? Please help clarify .

@TheFatimaCenter

5 жыл бұрын

Choose what is clearly the safe course, having nothing to do with this sacrilegious practice, and leaving the grave responsibility of the administration of the Sacraments to priests, who are trained, ordained, and consecrated for this purpose. (See St. Thomas' teaching on the question of whether the dispensing of the Blessed Sacrament belongs to the priest alone: www.newadvent.org/summa/4082.htm#article3)

@larrywethington3175

5 жыл бұрын

The clergy are in error. Inaestimabile Donum, Pope John Paul II forbids it except in real necessity.

This is all fine and good and fortunately Father does not claim to speak for situations that he is not familiar with. I am from this abominably casual country, Australia, that some of you bemoan. Some people indeed are rude and disrespectful by talking in Mass unnecessarily. But I give you something else to think about. Forty-eight years ago till about twenty-four years ago my husband and I battled with various numbers of small and growing children out of our family of five children spread over quite a long timespan, two of whom were very hyperactive and at times, quite disturbing to the congregation nearby. At other times they caused great amusement to the congregation. I endured scowls from parishioners and even on one occasion from a nun with beautifully manicured nails when I certainly hardly had time to cut my nails. I truly felt like handing over that particular child and saying "Here, you give it a try!" Nobody ever offered to help. [For that matter I don't recall anyone offering to help my mother's generation as we all attended the Latin Mass]. But EVERYTHING AT MASS WAS DONE ABSOLUTELY TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW! However I do not notice many people here in Australia being significantly more disrespectful when receiving Christ in the Eucharist in casual Australia than in some of the other countries that I have been in, with the exception of some young people in shorts. But sure as anything I would rather have them at Mass in their shorts before or after they go to the beach than not have them there at all! I have reached an age when a bad back makes it extremely difficult for me to kneel down because I have great difficulty getting up. I do not kneel down in the pew and I do not feel out of place not kneeling down to receive Communion because my church has the practice of standing and then receiving Communion in the hand. [Large numbers of us are now old.] I bow my head in reverence to Christ in Communion that I am about to receive in my hands. My hands might not be consecrated, but they are clean. The same as the Altar cloths are clean! They are the same hands that I used as a Pastoral Carer to take Communion to Catholics in nursing homes and hospitals where I also practised Ecumenical Pastoral Care and concern to anyone who needed a word from God, or the "unchurched", or anyone who just needed cheering up, or who needed to talk about their concerns as to who was looking after their pet, or their husband or wife whilst they were in hospital. It was in a large provincial city which did not have nearly enough priests to minister to the many hospitals and nursing homes that served a very large, feeder country area. It was in fact, the physically largest diocese in Australia with the smallest Catholic population. Last Sunday at Mass a young mother was having a difficult time with a toddler who was perhaps two years old who was crying a lot. My husband, on his way back from Communion, in his hand, standing up, was the only good samaritan who stopped to talk with that mother and assure her she was doing a good job. By stopping and talking to that mother, the child became intrigued and stopped his crying and did not start up again. Jesus broke all the rules. Some rules need to be broken or revised - although I appreciate Father's insistence that that particular rule has not been changed yet.. But whilst so many people worry about non-essentials and seemingly place some of those non-essentials above LOVE OF GOD AND LOVE OF NEIGHBOUR as they criticise so vocally, , I cannot do other than protest strongly that perhaps the church of Jesus has been overtaken by well-meaning but misguided people for 1700 years since Christianity became the official religion of Rome and her colonies. Jesus did not find it necessary to have ornate vestments and grand churches, nor did he find it necessary to criticise over non-essentials. Quite the opposite. I agree that there is much in the church since Vatican II that is not good - not least of which has been the dreadful paedophilia - but let us rejoice for all the good there still is and try to have a deep and meaningful spiritual, even if casual, relationship with our friend Jesus who loves and laughs with us at our own unnecessary seriousness. God luv y'all

@NaYawkr

5 жыл бұрын

Never forget that 2000 years of the Catholic Church should have changed many things. Vestments and Liturgies that have been refined to more appropriately bring honor and glory to God help us more than God, we need to learn the best way to praise, honor and love Our Blessed Lord whom we owe everything. Our convenience is not what saints worry about. To suffer for God is a noble and righteous act always.

@larrywethington3175

5 жыл бұрын

Your idea of letting them go in shorts is contrary to scripture, and also Church discipline. So you would let them come in immodest and offend the Lord in a grave manner, rather than miss mass. No, The Church teaching is, if they are too immodest,they must be shown out, like the man in the Gospel, Jesus said, Cast him out because he was not properly dressed.

I will not receive communion from lay minister or even Deacon . I am going to the Priest.

@mpkropf5062

2 ай бұрын

A deacon is ordained same as a Priest

How does the priest commission the deacon to distribute Holy Communion?

@TheFatimaCenter

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your question. This commissioning would normally be done by the bishop, but it would now very rarely take place since under the present code of canon law (910 #1), a deacon is considered an ordinary minister of Holy Communion. The previous code on this subject reads as follows, showing also related discussions in Canon Law Digest: Canon 845 § 1. The ordinary minister of holy communion is only a priest. § 2. A deacon is an extraordinary [minister], authorized by the local Ordinary or a pastor, granted for grave cause, which in case of legitimate necessity is presumed. Canon Law Digest I: 404; II: 207; VI: 560-61; VII: 645-52; VIII: 536-47; IX: 591; X: 151-58

@garyolsen3409

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFatimaCenter Thank you for taking the time to answer. I've always received on the tongue, but I won't receive from a EMHC. If I receive from our deacon is that the same as receiving from our priest?

@TheFatimaCenter

Жыл бұрын

@@garyolsen3409 Since there is presumably no grave cause for the deacon to administer the Sacrament, it would be a departure from the Church's traditional practice for you to receive It from him. At the same time, other far more serious concerns such as desecration of Particles of the Blessed Sacrament underfoot (i.e., Particles which have been lost to our sight through sheer sacrilegious negligence, and which are certain to be scattered throughout the churches in which "Communion in the Hand" is practiced) can only be avoided by assisting at the Traditional Rite of Holy Mass. God bless you.

Is the Novus Ordo Mass bad or wrong? Is the SSPX Masses and sacraments valid and licit?

@TheFatimaCenter

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your important questions. The First (and most important) Commandment obliges us to have no part in false worship -- not just in the form of worshiping false gods, but also in any falsified worship of the true God. In terms of public rites, true worship can be found only in the Catholic Church, and these rites as established by divine authority are by nature traditional. A newly concocted rite may be sacramentally valid but it would not be Catholic worship. It is impossible that any New Rite could be validly imposed upon the Church as if it were true Catholic worship, as the Council of Trent under Pope Paul III (1547, Session VII, Canon 13, Dz. 856) infallibly defined: "If anyone says that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church customarily used in the solemn administration of the sacraments may be despised, or may be freely omitted by the ministers without sin, or may be CHANGED INTO OTHER NEW RITES BY ANY CHURCH PASTOR WHOMSOEVER, let him be anathema." An analogous situation exists in the sacramentally valid rites of the schismatic Eastern Orthodox churches in which it would be matter of grave sin to participate. We urge you to assist exclusively at the traditional Rite of Holy Mass, and not to be troubled by claims that it is illicit to do so at chapels of the SSPX. The attached link to Our Lady of the Rosary Library details many of the issues in associated with the Novus Ordo. Be sure to see also the included link to Cardinal Ottaviani’s “Critical Study” of the New Mass. olrl.org/new_mass/evils.shtml The issue of the Society's present legal standing in the Church hinges on the very questionable validity of the supposed suppression of the Society in 1975. As members of the Society rightly maintain, "Over and above the canonical question, there remains that of common sense: whether one must observe a censure when no crime can be pointed out, or when the identity or authority of the judge is unsure." One honest admission which at last surfaced in 2007 with Pope Benedict's motu proprio Summorum Pontificum is that even legitimate Church authorities have no authority to dismantle the Church, such as by suppressing or forbidding from use the traditional rite of Holy Mass. It is a false and dangerous distortion of obedience (which St. Thomas calls sinful "indiscreet obedience, which obeys even in matters unlawful") that post-conciliar Church leaders have invoked against the functioning of the Society of St. Pius X. God bless you. www.scribd.com/document/3984779/Meuli-Letter-Re-Sspx sspx.org/en/faq-page/wasnt-the-sspx-suppressed-faq3 sspx.org/en/legal-existence-sspx sspx.org/en/what-canonical-status-sspx

@christpilled6369

4 жыл бұрын

The Fatima Center I understand that the Tridentine Mass is ‘better’, I guess, to the Novus Ordo but how could the latter be subject to false worship if it was just another form of the same rite? Pope Benedict extended the use of the Traditional Mass and said that the Old and New Masses are not different Masses. Instead they are two forms of the same rite. The extraordinary form (Tridentine) and the ordinary form (Novus Ordo). Or are you saying that the Novus Ordo is indeed a completely new Rite?

@TheFatimaCenter

4 жыл бұрын

@@christpilled6369 Precisely, it is a new rite of Mass, regardless of Pope Benedict's attempt to cast them as complimentary forms of a single Roman Rite. On another occasion he (as Cardinal Ratzinger) admitted more accurately, "[After the Council] we abandoned the organic, living process of growth and development over centuries, and replaced it - as in a manufacturing process - with a fabrication, a banal on-the-spot product”. God bless you.

@christpilled6369

4 жыл бұрын

The Fatima Center I have but one more objection... If the NO is under a new rite(which you have not shown that it is) how could something like a Eucharistic miracle in a NO Mass in Sokolka, Poland? Does this not show that, while the NO is more Protestant than Catholic, it is licit? m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/eo13waqnaM-pd5M.html m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/n2SsqKavhMXaZpc.html

This is archaic . Ours is a body of Christ, a people of priest , participating in His Priesthood, when we were baptized.

Los laicos que dan la Comunión se llaman. "Ministros extraordinarios de la Comunión",el título del video está equivocado.

Oh please!!! This is absolutely ridiculous!! Aren't there much more important issues to be addressed?

@alhilford2345

2 жыл бұрын

No!

FROM WAY OF DIVINE LOVE - BEAUTIFUL!PAGE 252: OUR LORD JESUS SPEAKS ON THE BLESSED SACRAMENT: "The Blessed Sacrament is the invention of Love. It is life and fortitude for souls, a remedy for every fault, and viaticum for the last passage from time to eternity. In it sinners recover life for their souls, tepid souls true warmth; fervent souls, tranquility and the satisfaction of every longing . . . saintly souls, wings to fly towards perfection. . . .pure souls sweet honey and rarest sustenance. Consecrated souls find in it a dwelling, their love and their life. In it they will seek and find the perfect exemplar of those sacred and hallowed bonds that unite them inseparably to their heavenly Bridegroom."

Is pandemic sufficient reason, an extraordinary circumstances?

@TheFatimaCenter

3 жыл бұрын

No, it remains an inherently sacrilegious practice and contrary to the law of the Church.

@melissaschusted3567

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFatimaCenter so then I guess it' s not a sin to knowingly put someone at risk for acquiring a potentially fatal virus hmmmm

If the disciples received in the hand, why is it an issue? When Jesus Christ broke the bread, was there a plate underneath? did the disciples kneel? etc I dont like novus ordo, but that is one thing I am hung up on.

@TheFatimaCenter

7 жыл бұрын

Two considerations: First, as to the idea of the Apostles handling the sacred Species without sacrilege, we must remember that they were bishops, ordained by Our Lord Himself to confect and handle the Blessed Sacrament. Second, there is no reason to suppose that they received in the hands. Medieval and classical art demonstrates that the assumption has historically been the opposite -- and, we would add, with good reason. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Comunione_degli_apostoli,_cella_35.jpg

@MadreTheotokos

7 жыл бұрын

TheFatimaCenter good answers I like this. I also have this question pressing in my mind. I have come to look at novus ordo as like a punishment from God, that His people chose a wicked king so He gave them one. I am a convert as of 2 years ago btw. I received my first Holy communion and confirmation through a novus ordo church. while I do not like the novus ordo liturgy, I still cannot say that God is not present in the Eucharist. I have tested it for myself and have seen that I still receive many graces by attending novus ordo churches. i wish there was a latin rite as I would just go there instead. do you believe that the novus ordo is entirely invalid? I see that God is still there in the Eucharist and thats the only reason I go. I really have seen miracles take place in my life before, during, and after my initial conversion through a novus ordo church well before I knew anything about vatican II

@TheFatimaCenter

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your excellent questions. Regarding the Novus Ordo liturgy, Father Gruner used to point out that the real issue is much larger than the simple question of validity. We all know, for example, that although priests of the Eastern Orthodox churches can validly confect the Blessed Sacrament, it would be a gravely sinful matter of false worship to partake of their schismatic (but valid) rites. Father Gruner explained that the New Rite of Mass involves a similar question of liceity (i.e., of lawfulness or legitimacy) since by both divine Law and defined Catholic dogma, we are bound to the Church’s traditional rites. (See episode #248 of his Your Questions Answered series here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pJ-sr8-OgN2eis4.html; also of interest are episode numbers 15, 16, 17, and 176, which you can find in the series archive here: www.fatima.org/yqa.asp) The rites of the Church are strictly traditional - handed down to us from Apostolic times, as the Apostles themselves passed on what they were given: "I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you." (1 Cor. 11:23) Not even a Pope has the authority to supplant or replace the received and approved rites with some new contrived rite. Regardless of the validity of new-rite Sacraments, we are bound to adhere to the traditional rites, as the solemnly defined dogma of our Faith makes clear. The Council of Trent under Pope Paul III (1547, Session VII, Canon 13, Dz. 856) solemnly defined that we are bound in conscience to adhere to the traditional, “received and approved” liturgical rites, and that no pastor of any rank, including the Pope, has the authority to change or displace these received and approved rites for a new rite: “If anyone says that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church customarily used in the solemn administration of the sacraments may be despised, or may be freely omitted by the ministers without sin, or may be changed into other new rites by any church pastor whosoever, let him be anathema.” Pope St. Pius V likewise confirmed in his 1570 Bull, Quo Primum, that the Tridentine Rite is the received and approved rite of Mass to which all Roman-rite Catholics are bound.

@johnnyutah218

7 жыл бұрын

Andruch ..the Apostles received kneeling and in the tounge

@ericgarcia4049

7 жыл бұрын

Fatima Center what if there is not a Latin Mass offered within our area? Should we not attend the New Mass at all? Or should I respectfully petition my local parish to say the Latin Mass? Because the nearest Latin Mass (SSPX) for me right now is a 100 drive there and back.

I wish we could get rid of that stupid sign of peace... 🤦

MASS TODAY. 5 WOMAN HANDING OUT THE EUCHARIST WHILE THE DEACON SAT. POSTER IN ENTRY ADVERTISING A CLASS ENPLANING THE LUTHERAN AND CATHOLIC THINKING ABOUT CONFESSION. POPE STAMP COMMEMORATING MARTIN LUTHER.I'M SO SICK BY THIS.

Priest, deacon and instituted acolyte. The rest are not needed.

That’s interesting, I always understood Purell consecrated hands.

Wrong teaching. There is no such thing as an extraordinary minister of the Eucharist. It's an extraordinary minister of Holy communion.

Important comment Fr. Gruner made regarding Indults. He said "I my estimation these two principles and seven conditions are not being met". So what make his estimation "correct". Particularly if the Church allows it? Could Fr. Gruner simply be deluded? He goes on to say only HE is the "obedient one" , and EVERYONE else is disobedient. The truth of that seems extremely unlikely, from a logical standpoint, and is simply not believable. He is basically saying he knows MORE than the combined wisdom of all the church fathers and 2018 years of combined theological thought within the church.

@TheFatimaCenter

6 жыл бұрын

Your reasoning supposes that the tradition and wisdom of the Church's two thousand-year history is on the side of Communion in the hand. In fact this horrifying practice is a novelty of our own time.

@larrywethington3175

5 жыл бұрын

He has advanced degrees in sacred theology. Most priests don't. The Arian heresy led about 80% of the Church into error, and Pope Liberius excommunicated St. Athanasius. St. Athanasius was almost alone against the world. Was he deluded? Pope Liberius excommunicated a saint, and he was the first pope in about 400 years from the time of St. Peter not to be canonized a saint.

They're not extraordinary anymore. Every parish has lay ministers giving Eucharist and lay people preaching.

Pope Francis blessed several female lay ministers recently

Please priests give us good homilies.please tell d truth.stop pretending we don't need reparation.that so long as your nice to everyone all's well.its not far from it.we need d truth about hellfire and brimstone.when this was preached there was more faith.it gave us something to think about.im sick of nice priests.i want honest priests.truth will always b upheld.preach confession penance purity chastity.tell us about grace and how to receive it.remind us we must pray.b priests of God not of d world please I beg u on bended knees.pray yourself it's so important.u can't do any good without God so pray please

I truly communion in the hand would stop.no need for them.by d time they all get communion under both species d priest could have it all done.also there's always much more women than men ministers and women should not b up around d altar.also ban girl servers.

Now by hand, thanks covid

@narutoninjagoandtheflashar4256

5 ай бұрын

I used to do it by mouth (without knowing why I did it). But now because of Covid, that’s not an option anymore

He talks too fast. Can’t understand him. Just slow down a little, it’s not a race!

Lay Eucharistic Ministers are a distinctly Roman Catholic practice. Protestants have Lay Ministers which is similar to the religious monks and nuns of the RCC. They wear vestments and have the same duties as monks and friar but they are married or single. So please stop this. And Protestants are not heretics per the Early Church Fathers it is clear what the standard for Christian Orthodoxy is. Protestants believe in the Creeds. It is certain Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox practices we do not agree with. That is not heresy.

I have yet to hear a scripture. Church law vs. scripture. Hmmm.

My Vicar assured me that this is wrong.

@TheFatimaCenter

5 жыл бұрын

For a fuller discussion of this issue, see Appendix IV (beginning on page 358) of the book, Fatima Priest (online at fatima.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Fatima-Priest.pdf). In the final section of this appendix, Father Gruner provided an unofficial translation of the letter of instruction issued by the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship (now called the Sacred Congregation for the Sacraments and Divine Worship) to the Conferences of Catholic Bishops which had petitioned the Holy See for permission to allow the practice of Communion in the hand. The letter outlines seven conditions essential to this permission. The fact that Communion on the tongue remains the law of the Church is officially published in the Instruction called Memoriale Domini, which immediately precedes the above-mentioned letter in the 1969 volume of the Acta Apostolicae Sedis. The official texts of these instructions, in Latin and French, are found on pages 541-547 of the A.A.S. here - www.vatican.va/archive/aas/documents/AAS-61-1969-ocr.pdf (The April 3, 1980 Instruction Inaestimablile Donum issued by the same Congregation, by the way, confirms that the Instruction Memoriale Domini is still in effect.) We find two unofficial English translations of Memoriale Domini online at these sites: www.catholictradition.org/Eucharist/memoriale.htm www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDWMEMOR.HTM

@NaYawkr

5 жыл бұрын

Vicar ? What protestant denomination do you trust ?

This is just the kind of divisiveness that led to the Separatists, Purists and Protestants. It is ill-advised to create pressure between parishioners and their parish leadership. Sure, this is informative but, the take away message given is that any service not conducted traditionally is immoral and parishioners will be held accountable for immoral conduct in Church for their quiet participation. Sheep are meant to follow the shepard, not the other way around. These issues should be addressed directly to clergy rather than be made to the parishioners to take against their leadership. The Fatima Center will be accountable for the consequences to parishes and parishioners. You are creating turmoil by undermining church leadership and provoking fear into parishioners.

@TheFatimaCenter

8 жыл бұрын

+C Mutt On the other hand, Our Lady Herself expressly ordered that the warnings which She committed to the children as a Secret on July 13, 1917, were to be published for all the faithful in 1960 (when, as Sister Lucy said, Her warning would be more clear). Father Alonso, the undisputed foremost expert on the Fatima apparitions, concluded from his researches that this still undisclosed Secret points to “internal struggles in the very bosom of the Church” stemming from the “grave pastoral negligence ...[and] deficiencies of the hierarchy of the Church.” Apparently Our Lady would spare the faithful from being led astray to their own ruin by these untrustworthy shepherds. Our Lord Himself gives us the same admonition when He warns us that the blind, following the blind, fall into the pit with them. (Matt. 15:14) Sister Lucy, too, in her correspondence after 1960, spoke repeatedly of this same theme, pointing out the unfolding reality of a subversion of the Church’s hierarchy: "Our poor Lord ... has saved us with so much love and He is so ... little loved! So badly served! It is painful to see such a great disorientation and in so many persons who occupy places of responsibility [in the Church]! ... They are blind leaders of the blind, ... as Our Lord tells us in His Gospel, and souls go on allowing themselves to be deceived. Gladly I sacrifice myself and offer my life to God for peace in His Church, for priests and for all consecrated souls, especially for those who are so deceived and misled!" True obedience (which differs from blind and unreflective subservience) is a virtue, but it is not above the virtue of Faith. A false obedience (which St. Thomas calls indiscreet obedience) is sinful and can bring souls to their ruin, as St. Catherine of Siena wrote to Pope Gregory XI: “Alas, Most Holy Father! At times, obedience to you leads to eternal damnation.”

@LizardLvr981

5 жыл бұрын

Simple Is Better maybe the sheep could follow the shepherds if they actually led. Unfortunately all the clergy can seem to do now is confuse and be apathetic morons

@larrywethington3175

5 жыл бұрын

They are telling the truth, and the laity have a right to know the truth, and they need to be informed. Sheep are not meant to follow blind shepherds.

sounds like a lot of hate speech

@NaYawkr

5 жыл бұрын

I doubt you are even a Catholic. Bitter are you Charles ?

@johnszish3564

Жыл бұрын

We have to go back to the institution of communion. Difficult to believe that Jesus went to each apostle and play c ed bread on their tongue

An absolutely outrageous declaration that the recipient of Our Blessed Lord receiving on the hand, as instructed by this priest, is complicit and part of the problem, in what was termed sacrilegious by the lay person in this video. Personally, I would prefer to receive Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament on the tongue, whilst kneeling at the alter rails. Unfortunately, the Church ripped out the alter rails, with the authority of the Bishops, then declared and by rite of practice since the common use of Extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers and in the receiving of the Blessed Sacrament on the hand. The Priests and the Ordained Ministers, aligned with the Church should be in dialogue with their Bishop. Thereafter, governed under the vow of obedience, carry out explicitly the instructions of the Bishop. You can’t foist the sin of Sacrilege on the faithful recipients of Holy Communion with impunity. How dare you!

@TheFatimaCenter

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment. Of course, we will all have to accept responsibility for our actions at some point, even if not in this lifetime. The terrible aspect of this matter is that the communicant is violating the Sacrament in two ways: First, in handling the Sacred Species, which is egregiously inappropriate for a layman, and second, in arrogating to himself the role of administering the Sacrament (to himself), a role for which he is manifestly unfit. St. Thomas Aquinas speaks of both of these concerns when he addresses the question of whether dispensing the Blessed Sacrament belongs to a priest alone. (III Q. 82, A. 3, www.newadvent.org/summa/4082.htm#article3) He answers: “The dispensing of Christ's body belongs to the priest for three reasons. First, because, as was said above (Article 1), he consecrates as in the person of Christ. But as Christ consecrated His body at the supper, so also He gave it to others to be partaken of by them. Accordingly, as the consecration of Christ's body belongs to the priest, so likewise does the dispensing belong to him. Secondly, because the priest is the appointed intermediary between God and the people; hence as it belongs to him to offer the people's gifts to God, so it belongs to him to deliver consecrated gifts to the people. Thirdly, because out of reverence towards this sacrament, nothing touches it, but what is consecrated; hence the corporal and the chalice are consecrated, and likewise the priest's hands, for touching this sacrament. Hence it is not lawful for anyone else to touch it except from necessity, for instance, if it were to fall upon the ground, or else in some other case of urgency.” We must remember also the solemnly defined dogma of Catholic Faith - affirmed at the Council of Florence (Dz. 698), the Council of Trent (Dz. 876 and 885), and by Pope Benedict XIV (Dz. 1469) - that the whole Christ is contained under each single part of a sacred Host. (See the texts in this online edition of Denzinger’s enchiridion: www.catecheticsonline.com/SourcesofDogma.php) Careful studies have demonstrated what common sense tells us (and what all altar boys have witnessed as they assist the priest in purifying a ciborium) regarding the inevitable separation of countless particles of the Blessed Sacrament from the Hosts. See for instance these studies: wdtprs.com/blog/2009/03/hand-in-glove-02-another-communion-in-the-hand-experiment/ www.latinmassmagazine.com/pdfs/Losing-Fragments-LM-2009-Fall.pdf Our advice to you is to have nothing more to do with the unlawful and sacrilegious practice of Communion in the hand, a practice which unavoidably leads to the crime of desecration of the Blessed Sacrament in the many, many lost particles from the Hosts - particles lost through the criminal carelessness and neglect on the part of both the one administering Holy Communion and the one receiving. God bless you.