"Abelard, thank Lord Mortismal for the Patch Highlights" 🧐

@daznis

Күн бұрын

I hate that they nerfed dodge tanking. I loaded my last game save where I used spray and pray build for Argenta and Aberald to tank stuff. Now he doesn't dodge her volley attacks. The logs show nothing about it. So it might be a bug or something.

Holding off on rouge trader until its DLC are all out and its had a bit more time to cook. Great coverage as always, thanks for doing what you do mate. 😊

@jepeman

2 күн бұрын

Same.

@watzbeats9104

2 күн бұрын

I returned it after i got it day one. I really like pathfinder wotr but this game felt like a step down in quality imo. Still keeping tabs because im hopeful of it being enjoyable and for a good price one day

@vicarious5931

2 күн бұрын

@@watzbeats9104 I backed it on Kickstarter. I have no regrets, I'm personally satisfied it's already worth the money. I choose to wait because owlcats games are so long, I typically burn out on subsequent playthroughs. So I figured I'd wait until till fully updated and all DLCs so I can experience it all in one mega playthrough.

@Llortnerof

2 күн бұрын

I played the base version, but i think i'll wait until everything is out before i do another run.

@marquisepixley684

2 күн бұрын

​​​@@watzbeats9104the game is very enjoyable and the quality is good i like it alotis is one of my favorites warhammer games

I recently completed my second playtrough, Heretic path and I am a little bit burned out. Seeing Owlcat tirelessly working on updating, balancing out, and further improving the game, is just amazing. I can't wait for EE, with updates this solid.

@jesot

2 күн бұрын

I finished my first playthrough and just made the decision to wait for patches and DLC to play it again. And I really wanted to start a second save almost immediately after credits rolled

@stefeeNRG

2 күн бұрын

@@jesot You're not gonna go wrong there, playing a different character is very cool, especially if you play a different alignment . I am probably going to wait for the EE (it's most likely in the distant future), but the game is absolutely worth replaying.

@ls8799

2 күн бұрын

Yes and no. Of course it's great that they update and support their games , but it's a repeating pattern since Kingmaker: a hail fire of patches and hotfixes.

@Pharsus

2 күн бұрын

EE?

@ti-andresabur6907

2 күн бұрын

@@PharsusExtended Edition

Damn. Seize the Initiative letting an ally take a turn was the MAIN power spike, and therefore reason, to play the officer.

@UnusualEcho

Күн бұрын

Yea it sounds so bad now… not only is it a worse ability (just boring damage buff which will ALWAYS be worse because an extra turn is a 100% damage buff and I doubt they made it that strong) but also it’s WAY more limited since it only works on enemies that haven’t taken a turn yet… Which means past turn 1 it’s just useless??

@crow4936

Күн бұрын

​@@UnusualEchotake the officer perk that lets you always go first and use only officer abilities. But the extra turn it still better

@benjamminraps1030

Күн бұрын

​@@UnusualEchobelieve it gives you a damage boost vs enemies below your current position in the turn order. Which is still a damage boost for the Dogmatic/Iconoclast brigades

@UnusualEcho

Күн бұрын

@@benjamminraps1030 Ahh, that’s a bit better at least

I don't mind the direct nerfs. What annoys me is how they changed Seize the Initiative. They didn't just nerf it, they fundamentally changed how it worked, and now it's functionally useless because of how heavily the turn order favors enemy targets. I'm having battles where I fight 20 enemies, and 3 of my people (two of whom are officers) go dead last. I've said this elsewhere but I feel a better change would've been to just have the skill apply your Fellowship bonus to your Agility bonus when determining turn order. Therefore it does what it says on the tin.

@silent_stalker3687

2 күн бұрын

A better option may be to use movement rolls to move characters ahead 2 points per movement roll. It won’t effect attacks and so on, would give you more flexability and so on. Also would be a nice counter to BS swarms

@mathanon217

2 күн бұрын

Yeah it went from amazing to basically useless which I a really bad feeling. Wish they had buffed some of the weaker classes if they were going to just drop such crippling nerfs to officers when they were needed to bring other classes online.

@FastDeathbycat

2 күн бұрын

Yeah I get it's "too good" but this is essentially forcing at least two party members to respec.

@vladimirserpov6773

Күн бұрын

Aurora on unfair is a shitshow now... Seize the initiative really felt like the correct solution for the fight before. Now I've got no idea how to wiggle my way out of it

While I'm happy with the changes, some of the stuff they added felt so necessary that I'm both amazed and annoyed that they weren't in the game at launch. For example, how did they not have quest and rumor markers on the galaxy map before now?

Praise the Emperor for Owlcats diligence!

If they want to buff psykers, adding more force weapons should be one of the top to do list things. Especially two handed weapons. Right now we got 3 force weapons (one of which is locked to heretical creed and it's the only two hander in-game) and one spell. There's hope we will see one in DLC, but that's not enough.

@Squeeble00

2 күн бұрын

Last I heard the hereticus force sword got changed to being one handed as well.

@Dzugoslav

2 күн бұрын

Therefore outside sword of faith ability, no two handed force weapons at all. Not good.

@cameronroy2129

5 сағат бұрын

​@@Dzugoslav isn't their the ancient force sword from the ruins? Still definitely not enough

Thank you for breaking this down for us! I was looking for a video on this last night.

Love to see post-launch improvements. Waiting a few years to play single-player games keeps paying off.

versatility initially worked with psyker powers, then they patched it, now they're patching it back

thank you morty for covering these patch updates!

Love this patch so much. It's exactly what I've been waiting for since release. Cassia is still too obvious of a super power to not take in every group, but the officer stacking isn't nearly as broken and tempting as before. I'm having a lot more fun on a new save with pyromancy, too. Ignite is doing more damage than most guns and melee weapons. Really opens up the build options.

Thanks! Been wondering what the new things are. Rogue Trader is amazing. And I would be finishing it up, but Dawntrail is about to release, so it will have to wait.

Thank you much appreciated.

I haven't started my first play through yet but I've got everything installed and ready to go. Sounds like after this patch it's a great time to start though! Thanks for the update

Thanks for the video. Something I've only seen done a few times to this XCOM-like formula of combat, is an improvement to how you move. I think structuring a mechanic that limits your mobility will always run into problems in the late game when you've leveled up. Onward to 400k. All glory to the algorithm.

Awesome. I put in 100 hours in testing but am still only halfway through Act 2. It is coming together nicely now. Playing Pathfinder: WotR and will jump back on with the DLC probably. Fingers crossed the Genestealer Magus gets a purple limousine.

The Emperor Protects!

Great, that means I can play this with the DLC in August. Cause I tried twice to play through it but both save games broke at different points in act 4 and act 5 and I gave up there tbh.

@Marcusianery

2 күн бұрын

That is far from praise worthy. And people complained on BG3's act 3. This is just bad, not able to finish a game because it locks you out from doing so.

@countryc0unt

2 күн бұрын

@@Marcusianery i am not praising it. I just said i can finally finish it, because a refund was long gone after getting to act 4. And I totally agree, Owlcat gets away with far too much when it comes to bugs in the eyes of their fans.

@Marcusianery

2 күн бұрын

@@countryc0unt Oh I didn't mean you! I hsould been more detailed in who I meant. I still say their games get over praised when they can be messes with tacked on mechanics. But the bugs the real issue.

@jacobnordquist3448

2 күн бұрын

I feel your pain. When I did Divinity OS 2 I had a game breaking bug right after the final boss so never got the end achievements or finishing cinematics... was a terrible feeling and I just never cared to go back.

@countryc0unt

14 сағат бұрын

@@Marcusianery ah gotcha, no worries! Totally with you on that.

Played a few hours of the patch last night - seems to work great, the UI is much cleaner (especially for controller). The game feels more polished for sure

@Wombats555

2 күн бұрын

Yeah I just picked up Wrath of the Righteous. Rogue Trader's interface is beautiful but Pathfinder's is so much more readable. I still get lost scrolling through abilities levelling up. The sideways chart of Feats in Pathfinder is much easier to understand.

@abcddef2112

Күн бұрын

@@Wombats555This a qol improvement where u can search the ability by name is sorely needed.

Thanks

25 min after post and 1300~ views....your a force of nature!

I just completed this game like two days ago :( Kinda wish I had held off a while longer, but oh well. I loved it.

I played the game back in March, absolutely loved it and only noticed a few bugs. Occasionally the pathing got wonky and nobody could interact with a point of interest. Another bug I encountered was very late game, where I couldn't complete a colony project. It was one of those projects where I'd have to physically travel to the planet, but the game just wouldn't register that I was there. And the weirdest bug I've ever seen was also very late game. The game started crashing to desktop, but it would NEVER crash until I went into the menu and clicked the button to exit to desktop. An error message would pop up and then the game would crash. I've never seen a game be so considerate with crashing before. I'll start a fresh playthrough when the DLC comes out, may give pyromancy a try. I didn't really know what I was doing with classes so I just picked officer, and that ended up being superfluous because Cassia is already an officer and she never left my party. Might spec Sister Argenta differently too, I built her into a sniper and she was great at it, but then I picked up Yrliet so I had double snipers.

@Eskeletor_210

2 күн бұрын

I’ve noticed the patching being wonky as well on console

@samvimes9510

2 күн бұрын

@@Eskeletor_210 it's weird, right? Sometimes you'll click on something and your character just won't interact with it. I'll switch between all my characters, try going at it from different angles, nothing. But it's a pretty minor issue all things considered.

Haven’t finished my play through yet but hoping to play some more soon

Honestly, I feel that owlcat has missed the mark with the balancing. Its a single player game, if your combat build is broken beyond repair, you built them that way. They should have included different perks to make different playstyles more viable, instead of making the ones available worse

"Pyromancer was a bit underwhelming" I won't like like 80% of what my Pyro was doing was just overusing op Officer abilities cause damage was generally bad xD

@Llortnerof

2 күн бұрын

Abusing extra turns to ramp up burn damage was funny though.

Love the Game

These sound like really positive changes. Looking forward to my next playthrough. It will be quite different without Yrliet spam.

The pyro buff is cool and all but what sold me is the visual update. Before you just point your hand and suddenly enemy die of heart attack, now theres gonna be proper laser beam and flamestorm.

I bought this game at release, but sat on it knowing that it would be rough around the edges. Perhaps it's finally time to dive in.

A good side of this patch is that a replay should feel different :P I have not played it yet, so I expect it will be more challenging (hoping the first boss won't be impossible!).

Idk why they nerfed the worst archetype (Bounty Hunter) to make it even worse.

F in the chat for Cassia. 😵

I'm optimistic for the future of the game

I am going to put my next play through on hold until the conviction update.

I am holding off Rogue Trader as of now. Wil play when the dlc comes out in August. I do hope all the bugs, performance issues are fixed in this time.

I stopped playing at the point where I lost my equipment and had to find my party members again. I really need to finish it but I just never like that trope in games.

❤

Sanctioned Psykers being able to increase Psy Rating at earlier levels is wonderful

i am so so so interested in this game but seeing how they did pathfinder ill wait for the goty. i play crpgs once or twice and that style doesnt vibe well with 4 staggered dlc released

@MortismalGaming

Күн бұрын

Well as of right now its only 2 that are planned, first one is in August.

The changes pretty much gut the officer class. I was playing as a Commissar Officer main, which sucks for me

@rubenhoelz1464

2 күн бұрын

Yeah, I am disappointed as well. I was playing Co-Op with a buddy and granting him extra turns was a lot of fun for both of us but I understand that it was very powerfull.

@christophertheofilos1063

2 күн бұрын

Yeah horrible. Sei,e the Initiative might as well be called never be used

@jesot

2 күн бұрын

Hopefully other stuff will be added back to the class to re-buff them with the DLC. The changes were needed, though. Yrliet getting nearly infinite turns with all of the buffs and debuffs was just too good.

@zerg0s

2 күн бұрын

@@jesot I don't really see a problem with a class being "too good"? You can always just not play them, or not play them optimized. The problem are classes that are flat out bad. Like the pyromancer caster. I always hate seeing nerfs that completely gut classes because some min-maxers broke the math... in singleplayer games.

Hmm. Played it a bit on release. Could take another look after the hotfixes.

I'm playing as a sanctioner psycher on my first playthru. Then, I believe would be imortant changes.

I might do a second run in the future but honestly, I think the sheer number of fights feels a little overwhelming to get through. I miss the Wrath of the Rightous's ability to switch between turn based and real time combat, it made getting through easy encounters much faster. If I do another playthrough it will probably be after all the dlc have been released.

Hope it works out for the DLC

The number of geniuses howling about mods in every updated game is growing exponentially.

An interesting and insightful video, as always! Would you say that the game is close to being complete now (in terms of features, content, production) or is it rather a matter of being on the right path to being complete? As much as I appreciate the dev improving their titles, I definitely don't want to play a glorified Early Access thing... Of course, I am over-simplyfying things with this statement, but the sentiment remains.

@AyarARJ

2 күн бұрын

Might consider waiting until DLC2 comes late 2024 (2025 feels likely)? Like this big gameplay logic changing patch, feels like there will be another as that DLC approaches. (So this idea is not about a DLC purchase per se, see) Others in the comments mention this "1 year cook" type policy for crpgs. It's tough to wait, I know. Owlcat in particular seems to make lots of 'bug' and 'balance' 'fixes' to their games and has a reputation for rough releases. Plus they like complex crunch--leaning in where underlying system has it and adding weird crunch where inspirational system doesn't have enough mechanics crunch. Yay stacks of stuff. Yay multiplying things. All that lends to more buggy and imbalanced systems for a while; plus avoidable nerdy adjustment make-work for their devs (hey, job security, right?). So waiting a little more might be a good strategy for enjoyable experience?

I suppose I will miss my Archmilitant Argenta being able to kill every encounter in one round, but I can't really say it was good for game health, so here's hoping my next playthrough will have a more balanced experience

I'm bad with the game but even i recognized the absolute power house of an officer build spamming extra rounds to his allies.

well guess time to restart :D but I think I might wait for the assasin dlc

great to see their dedication, but I'll wait the complete edition to really play it with all dlc. I want all the goth waifu! For the Emperor!

I appreciate games trying to be balanced for all playstyles, but I also appreciate when a game just lets you break the shit out of it and have fun any way you want. On my playthrough I absolutely abused chaining extra turns onto Argenta (arch-militant) and wiping whole encounters before the enemy even knew what was happening, and had a lot of fun just running through bringing the emperor's justice to the forces of chaos like a bunch of badasses. Kinda makes me sad that they are taking that play option out of the game.

@GrohiikVahlokJul

Күн бұрын

Thing is, you can likely reduce difficulty and still have an equivalent effect, but with how the game is you can’t really turn up the difficulty and get a challenging experience if you want that without actively trying to nerf yourself. The best builds are just that much beyond the enemy ability to respond. The only enemy that I can recall hitting us so far was Aurora, and one time where my officer didn’t get to start a fight with the team. It’s a lot of fun and absolutely hilarious, but if you’re wanting an actual game it seems a little unreasonable to be forced to not try your best, and if I am being honest I am not too fond of the only answer being to increase the enemy stats to the point where the enemy may just one shot you if you don’t one shot them. That said I feel like seize the moment was rather excessively nerfed here, having a lesser effect was clearly needed, but also having limited use cases on top of that seems a bit rude.

Hope this game gets dlc!

What bothered me the most before was the items that didn t work and some abilities that also didn t work properly including the ones that were too OP. Snipers were very much underwhelming compared to psyker or archmilitant with bolter.

Idk if it’s patched but the thunderfang restocks the shop in act 1. Idk what triggers it but I’ve gotten a bunch of medkits. Imma check if other shops restock

I put off Rogue Trade r4ight bow because in the final act(not to spoil it as much as possible) a glitch involving few enemies, reloading a save results in suddenly 35 enemies across the map. Whom are immune to damage or effects so I have been soft locked out of finishing the game. Which is a shame since that was 3 weeks ago

Cool finally being able to use pyro without needing to get halfway through the game using a sniper before you can be useful

Gronk!

Warhammer 40,000: Starch Maker

Psyker arch militant build, say no more.

Passing a certain point you could soloed everything just with Cassia ^^.

All these updates and such are neat, but I honestly just want the sword of faith psyker power to look cool rather than bodies hit the floor after swinging my normal-looking force sword around in the air.

Were there any improvements to leveling up characters, such as auto-leveling companions or better organized talents? I didn't like that each level up was a tiring half-hour distraction.

@MortismalGaming

Күн бұрын

They made some UI changes, but hard to say how impactful that will be for any one person

Yeah the balance was kinda shit in this game. The most broken build i did was just operator + 3 officers + yrilet. Set up everything for yrilet with that 10 magazine capacity eldar rifle thingy, and he just kills EVERYTHING in 1 turn and does hillariously large damage numbers.

Think these changes are right. Hopefully without nerfing excessively. But Cassia''s 4 figure stats were a bit much. 😂

If the leveling system is still just comparing a bunch of math formulas I'll pass, leveling in the game is a chore

Pyromancer build guide? C'monnn, you know you want to

So for blaster casters, Archmilitant is still the way to go?

I bought this to support owlcat but I feel like the longer I wait to play it, the better the game will get. Imma give them time to cook.

Good luck getting out of ACT 3 on the hardest difficulty after this patch... (I gave up lol)

any news on bugged achievements...

"psyker path" (HAHAHA) i'm going to abuse it

Rogue trader having issues with scaling, is rather appropriate as the tabletop rpg also had rather bad scaling issues.

Huh, no wonder my pyromancer main character isnt doing damage worth a damn.

they overnerfed the officer. removing the additional turn totally kills the class flavor - its a weak ass bard now. rip 77hr officer campaign :(

Noooo! I like having my OP assassin that just wipes everyone in the first round!

I love Owlcat but I find this game a hard to play. It just seems to drag. And I am a huge fan of their Pathfinder series.

can someone say if this game is good playable on console? (will never run on my laptop)

@user-nr1py1xe9o

2 күн бұрын

@@user-ty6ei1kz8j i mean more the useability... like are the controls tricky?

Ill eventually buy this game in a few years, once its content complete, gully patched, and on deep discount.. I waited a LONG time for a true 40k crpg, and they went and made it turn based... 99% of 40k games are turn based, and it quite tiresome.

9:58 what a madman

Is this worth playing on consoles? Specifically PS5

What game is that intro screenshot from?

free comment.

I will continue my practice of ignoring CRPGs for at least a year after release to make sure the game is actually finished before I play it. This game looks cool though!

Not a fan of dmg nerfs. Unfair 1shots are a thing so without clearing everything before they can act, it would get very tedious. Especially act 4 end battle.

im waiting for the day they add more voice over. i think VO is good for all CRPGs like some of the comedy chars in POE2 but imagine how epic they could make some of the warhammer voice overs.

@SilimSavertin

2 күн бұрын

VO costs shitloads of money, especially for a game like Rogue Trader which has massive amounts of text - far more than POE2 or BG3, to compare it to others in the genre. Owlcat games are all incredibly heavy in the text department.

@octobeastX

Күн бұрын

@@SilimSavertin oh i know, just seems like a missed opportunity when it comes to how epic warhammer factions would sound in a CRPG. granted it would be expensive. im hoping for a enhanced edition :D

Who tf downvotes patchnotes? oO'

i still don't understand why they'd nerf extra turns considering how much this game relies on that "turn 1 gambit". hell the game doesn't even have a revive system mid combat what the hell are you supposed to do on fights where from turn 1 you get chaos marines one shotting our ass.

@laurynasambraska5665

2 күн бұрын

reload until the enemy misses, it works and is super duper fun (sigh)

Wow so officer just sucks now :/

Completed the game a few months ago. Still no idea of how most of the mechanics worked. % of x against % of y [insert 5 different variables]. I stopped paying attention half way through. Shame.

@BrianBrown-vd1vv

Күн бұрын

They definitely made it way too convoluted. Considering they come from making Pathfinder games though, it doesn't surprise me.

So strong stuff (versatility, officers turn) nerfed massively. Tons of others stuff. Meh. The game is imbalanced but at least burst fire was fun. Now if its nerfed it will be less fun but I dont think more balanced . Snipers still seem as broken as before. Cassia will still probably uber beast. But melee still gonna suck, pascal is boring. Just Argenta might suck and Ulfar wasnt amazing before already

@armelior4610

2 күн бұрын

From my experience with their 1st game (EE), Owlcat devs are a bunch of min-maxers but also want the game to still be reasonably challenging for themselves, so it's either a cheese arms race with the enemy creatures or nerfing the most OP builds

@maxb5640

2 күн бұрын

@@armelior4610 Its always a cheese race. But it can be at least fun. I enjoyed rogue trader overall but don't really want to try other owlcat games. Balancing and tuning gameplay does not seem to be their strong point. If all the fun is nerfed out its just becomes tedium

When are you going to review GRIM DAWN? The "big" patch has been out.

@fullmetalalkami6466

2 күн бұрын

Is it stable yet? I used to play it years ago but the amount of crashing was insane

@MyChannel-vm6dw

2 күн бұрын

@@fullmetalalkami6466 runs good

I don't understand why devs make games harder instead of more fun. What's wrong with broken builds cheesing through the game, it fun. Nerfs in a single player game is lame.

@ComissarYarrick

2 күн бұрын

Fun is very subjective. And for a quite a few players ( and they tend to be rather vocal about it ) challenge=fun.

@bavettesAstartes

2 күн бұрын

Depends a lot. A bug that makes a thing deal more damage I think is not as problematic as when a feature breaks or you get too much for too little put back in. But I agree that in singleplayer the aim should be for fun instead of balance.

@mikaelsodergren3601

2 күн бұрын

Things that completely trivializes a tactical game definitely does not provide a good experience and ruins the devs intention so yes ofc they want to remove it.

@jamesmattila-hine1133

2 күн бұрын

​@@mikaelsodergren3601yeah I think that's spot on if something is too powerful it can kill the fun of the game especially if the game is meant to be tactics based

@jdrobertson42

2 күн бұрын

This does feel like work that should have been done before release. I played the game months back. I’m not interested in endlessly replaying it. I would like to play the DLC. Now I’m forced to completely re-spec and re-learn my party at high level when that happens, with the officer class now completely different than before. Sounds like a great way to turn off more casual players.

Look say what you want about Owlcat not delivering the best experience at launch but at-least they stick with their games and dont give up on them like some studios.

@TheGamernews1

2 күн бұрын

I’m not going to give praise for Owlcat doing the bare minimum.

@WhiskeyAfterHours

2 күн бұрын

@@TheGamernews1 Clearly they've done more than the bare minimum, ive played very owlcat game at launch.

@TheGamernews1

2 күн бұрын

@@WhiskeyAfterHours Again doing bug fixing and some QOL features post release isn’t praise worthy for RT or any other games for the matter.

@WhiskeyAfterHours

2 күн бұрын

@@TheGamernews1 it's fine for me, if you dont like it don't buy the games or make your own. idk what to tell you bud.

@TheGamernews1

2 күн бұрын

@@WhiskeyAfterHours I won’t because there god awful at Q and A , but I guess live in not giving my money to them.

I will never understand why they insist on balancing singleplayer games because something is "to useful". So don't play that build then?

@islanddryad

2 күн бұрын

Yeah but some players with no imagination or self control will abuse exploits and then harass the devs claiming it’s too OP. Then they’ll go online and clown about it and people will share the clownery because dunking on things, regardless of if it is warranted or not, is “fun”. It’s a feedback loop that is killing the gaming industry because devs gotta jerk off the player otherwise the player goes around telling their friends how bad the dev is at jerking them off and those statements hurt sales which in turn hurts company cause less money means company goes bye bye cause the shareholders gotta get their big slice of pie come hell or high water. It is what it is unfortunately. People will claim it makes the game “more fun” but tbh ‘press x to doubt’