Nifty gadget! Sorry I can't add anything to a subject I know nothing about, but enjoy your videos nonetheless. Looks like you've got everything covered. That's very nice of you to explain things to easier facilitate others interested in getting these preps up to par! Same old same old with me...canning, baking, dehydrating foodstuffs, sewing. Taking advantage of some beautiful night skies!👵😁🌌🌱🌻

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Melody. Keep up the good work! :)

This seems like a perfect solution for your natural gas furnace and refrigerator/freezer.

I like this transfer switch, but I hate that it’s only for a few appliances. I want something to power my entire home. Great video!

@HomesteadEngineering

Жыл бұрын

Yep. That seams to be what everyone wants... There must be a good reason why they did not put the 30A circuit to the box. Could be a liability/legal issue.

@HomesteadEngineering

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/mIOf08SfirC3k8o.html

@shongabbert9955

8 ай бұрын

This will run all the outlets in your house people. Not just the 2 outlets on the switch.

@Elite59

5 ай бұрын

@@shongabbert9955 if it's only 20 amps it will not, at least not my house.

@CS-qc7np

Ай бұрын

Thanks for making the video. That’s what I wanted to know.

That's great to add to your new generator. Please let us know how it works for you. I pray there won't be a hurricane when it goes to battle for you. Stay safe.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Hoot, I hope I never have to use it for a hurricane for sure but it is nice to have it on standby. Thanks! :)

Great demonstration on both videos.Your video on unboxing the Wgen 9500DF made me buy one 20 min ago.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Great! I really hope you like it and it comes through for you when you need it the most. Be sure to start it up every 2-3 months and let it run for 10-20 minutes and keep fresh fuel in it. :)

It would be great if Westinghouse could come out with an upgraded Automatic Transfer Switch that could work with the 50 Amp 240 VAC Output, for more backup power capability on more circuits in the home. That would be the next best thing to having a Generac unit - at a fraction of the cost.

@HomesteadEngineering

Жыл бұрын

Bill, that would be really great for sure. I am pretty sure you can connect to the 50 amp output and manually use that while this switch is in use. I need to do a video on that. Thanks!

@climber5150

Жыл бұрын

Yeah you really need another automatic switch. This one to start the generator and another one to connect the house power.

@Binary0100100

Жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering The only issue with doing it that way would be that you'd need to make sure the utility cable that signals the power outage isn't going to receive any power from the generator itself otherwise it wouldn't be able to differentiate power from the grid (restored) vs power from the generator itself. So the generator would kick on, return power to the utility cable, the ST switch would assume power was restored and kill the generator again. The process would continuously repeat itself until the utility cable is unplugged. I was considering using this as a solution but I don't see any way around it.

@HomesteadEngineering

Жыл бұрын

@@Binary0100100 You can run the 50 Amp to an individually switched transfer switch and then just don't put the signal power on the transfer switch. amzn.to/3xW99jB kzread.info/dash/bejne/qImKlaObpZe9drQ.html

@HomesteadEngineering

Жыл бұрын

Oops! You need the 50 Amp version: amzn.to/3EIgyqm kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZnycyMazctjUg8Y.html

Thanks for the video David. I've been wondering about this device since I bought a 7500DF a year ago.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Very nice video, thank you so much for explaining

First time ever that a youtube comment section was worth reading! Here's my situation: We're at the end of the road, to so speak, and last to have power restored (can be 2 weeks), and last weekend was 48 hrs... in september. It's a vacation/weekend cabin, but one where we want to keep food in the fridge, have a wood stove, don't mind some inconvenience. 250gal propane I'd leave permanently connected. Recent quote for the mid-range of generacs was 16k installed. Not happening, and overkill when most of the time we won't be there- minimal version of 1-2kW, or maximal version of 8kW. So we're managing to three situations 1) not home, may not be there for days, want enough power to keep the fridge on and probably the DSL router so we can monitor. 2) home, running fridge, electric starters on propane stove and water heater, DSL and maybe a couple LEDs - def still under 20A 3) home, running more stuff. My thinking is put the ST unit in the kitchen, hook up the minimal setup and drill some holes in the side of the house to run power/control. This solves 1 as an auto start, low load (my calc is 24 days of run time at 25% load?). For #2, as an interim and fast solution if the powers out and we show up, pre-run a few extension cords so the water heater's controls and a power strip for lighting, etc are manually plugged in when needed (or we just leave it all in). For #3, install a manual transfer switch and dedicated panel for a few circuits, and then manually change the plug at the generator/disconnecting the ST and connecting a MTS - then it's more like a whole house, but manually dealt with when we show up, with more capacity than the ST unit... and use the remote start/stop to conserve fuel when we are on site vs running all the time. Total cost of maybe 1300 and a couple perimeter holes sealed (shhhh) for 1 & 2, and another 500-1000 to make #3 happen. Though maybe a few hundred more as I'd have to put a small roof up to keep snow from being an issue. Thoughts? It's an inexpensive but functional backup, with a more advanced whole-house possible too.

@brarrr

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe a dumb question - if there's utility power, but the control wire and L14-30 are not plugged in, will any devices plugged into the outlets still work? Reasoning being in situation 3 i'd probably have the power coming through the MTS from the generator, and would unplug those two things.

@HomesteadEngineering

2 жыл бұрын

brarrr, I think I would have to see it and chat with you for a while to really understand what your trying to accomplish. What you describe may work. I would definitely not do the whole house Generac. I might also look at a solar generator with panels like the EcoFlow Delta Pro. I would also have a video surveillance system hooked to the internet with one of the cameras focused on the EchoFlow screen so you know the exact state of the system at all times (same for the generator is you go that way). If the video goes down, you know the power is out.

@brarrr

2 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering Well, we're just about as north as you can be for continental US (7mi to BC border), in trees... solar isn't too likely. I think my two biggest pain points in my plan now are a) running more than 25' from the ST Switch (the extender cord isn't available so I'd have to make my own) b) powering the fridge and others and running cables without leaving a window/door open and c) deciding how to route propane lines...

Love the video, David! Preparation waits for no one ⚡🏡💪

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

You know it!

@rangerrick8220

3 жыл бұрын

I posed a question to Westinghouse Tech Support and they took over a month to reply, and when they did, they didn't answer my question. Twice I asked and twice they responded like they never read the email. I know we're in COVID times but seriously, if you are going to respond, read the question and at least try to answer it. Makes me wonder if this is how their tech support will be when you have a real issue.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

@@rangerrick8220 What was the question?

@rangerrick8220

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering The question was if this generator had an auto-start switch such as this - asked before I found it. Also wanted to know if they had any suppliers here in Canada with any cause everywhere I check they are sold out....

@WestinghouseProducts

3 жыл бұрын

@@rangerrick8220 Hi Ranger Rick! We're sincerely sorry to hear your experience didn't match your expectations and will be happy to answer any questions you may have. What is your case number?

Waste of 9500 watt generator used to run 2 outlets for just a few loads in your house. That 30 amp cable should be hooked up directly to your house load box to run the whole house. Forgo the expensive transfer switch and get a manual switch. I am running my whole house including a 5 ton AC with a 8500 watt generator. I installed an EASY START on my AC and it works like a charm.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

I would tend to agree but you have to remember that everyone's situation is different. For some folks this works better. I happen to have a setup like yours as well as an even better setup as you can see in this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mm2q2NVrmc-7edI.html

@IDNHANTU2day

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering great choice.

One way i am thinking about modifying this is to hook up indoors (in the garage) with a General manual transfer switch (that would be fed by the 240 generator outlet and the house mains). The Westinghouse ST switch outlet will connect to a relay that would trip/select either the Gen or Mains power from the manual switch. This way you are able to set it up with the other breaker points for more use ion the house and leverage the auto start and stop functionality that would otherwise be useless for a whole home standby setup. What are thoughts about this?

Thanks for the overview of the ST switch. I'm on the fence on getting this. It only 25 feet cord though. I would have to leave it outside near my outdoor outlet and run and extention cord to the inside to run the back up power too. I like to implement something to the manual transfer I have somehow.

@The_Happy_Aviation_Enthusiast

3 жыл бұрын

Here are the rules about portable generator safety: make sure you are aware of all the warnings before using portable generators. This is just a reminder for everyone’s safety. All generator safety rules should be followed carefully. This advice is just to make sure that everyone is aware of all the warnings and it’s just to remind people to be careful using portable generators. Generators can be dangerous if not used carefully. Every year, hundreds of people die or get injured when using portable generators due to carbon monoxide poisoning and electrocution. Make sure you are using your generator carefully and keeping others safe as well. There is something very serious that everyone should always be aware of when using generators. Some people do run their generator indoors which is not safe and that increases the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning which can cause death of family and you. Some people run their generator in wet conditions which can electrocute them. Please remember that you should never run your generator indoors. Remember that carbon monoxide is an odorless and colorless gas that you cannot see or smell. Carbon monoxide is a silent killer. Keep that in mind. Make sure your generator is 15-20 feet away from your house and away from doors, windows, and vents. Never use your generator in your porch too. Having a carbon monoxide detector is very important against generator safety. Some people also allow children to go near the portable generator which could pose risks. We need to keep an eye on our children making sure that they are not near the portable generator so they won’t get electrocuted or burned by the generator which is dangerous. A locking enclosure also keeps kids safe. A generator shed might look like a tempting place to explore, or take cover during a game of hide and seek, but a generator is a dangerous piece of equipment that can cause injury. It says on the manual that we should also keep children away at all times from the portable generator to avoid injuries. Please do not allow a child or unqualified people to operate the portable generator. It is important to keep your children safe especially little ones. The portable generator can be hot during an operation. Just because some manuals missed what should be listed doesn’t mean it’s safe to do. Always follow the generator safety rules when using portable generators. Generators pose electrical risks. If you need to use your generator during wet weather, you need a generator tent to protect your generator from getting wet. Don’t let your generator get wet. Keep your generator dry and before using your generator, please make sure your hands and your generator is dry. Do not wear loose clothing when operating the generator. Everything that is said on the generator’s operating manual should not be ignored. Never smoke cigarettes near the generator. Please keep flammable things away from the generator. Never overload your generator too. Your generator can catch fire. Never ever try to plug a generator cord into a wall outlet to avoid back feeding. Back feeding your generator is dangerous. Always turn on your generator first before plugging in appliances and shut off the appliances before turning your generator off. Use a heavy duty cord for your generator and the cord should not be worn out. All the instructions should be followed carefully. Never refuel your generator while it’s running. It can cause fire if fuel spills while your generator is hot. You should turn off your generator and let it cool off before refueling it. Having a fire extinguisher next to the generator is also important. This is only a reminder for everyone’s safety of using generators. Make sure your generator is properly grounded. Having a fire extinguisher next to the generator is also important against the safety rules. kzread.info/dash/bejne/e2WetpV6fqi0pqw.html and here is a video more about keeping others safe when using generators and also about our family’s safety. It’s important to keep our little children safe as well. Make sure they’re away from the generator. Hope this helps. Thank you. Be safe

This is great. Plug a Generlink into the 50a outlet and you have power to the whole house

@HomesteadEngineering

Жыл бұрын

Hey Tony, I am not sure what you mean as I think the Generlink is designed to connect directly to your meter??? Am I missing something?

That is badass !!!

Another good video, David. I should have watched this one first. I still would like a bulkhead connection to eliminate an open window. I just received the Reliance WKPBN30N, which gives me that advantage. I also noted that you said the utility connection to the ST Switch was to be non-GFIC. I see that as an added problem (or another cord through a window) since all of my exterior, garage, kitchen & basement receptacles are all CFIs. I do see the advantage (re: @sh839c and @Scott Sherfey ) that the gen would start, energize a few critical circuits, and allow you to then just throw the manual transfer yourself. For me, I would have several UPS alarms waking me up anyway. If I was home in bed, a key fob gen start and the whole-house MTS would be satisfactory.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

I found that was a pretty interesting backup idea as well. Thanks!

bro.. you seems smart enough to take that box apart and rework it. add two more outlets. even if you have to find a bigger project box! two outlets not worth it. good share by the way! larry

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Larry, I figure there must be some liability or code reason for them not adding two outlets on the two separate legs. If you open it up you could probably come up with all kinds of interesting hacks but then your liable for what happens next. Not saying I would do it, not saying I wouldn't...

Could I use this for my customer that is off the grid and use their 2 wire start feature on there inverter

I think I figured something out. The GE smart switch does not connect to the main panel but to a heater or AC. Connecting to an outlet from the wall outlet (receptacle) the GE Smart Switch will detect if the power should go off. The Data cable will inform the generator that the power is off. Then the outlets on the GE smart Switch will kick the generator on and will power any item up to 20 amps on its outlets. My main concern is that I would like a little heat delivered to the plumbing during the cold spells when are not at our home. Now I would still need a Transfer switch to connect the 50 amps to the main panel and give more power to other devices .

Perhaps one that measured a low State of Charge SOC of DC batteries and then started and stopped the generator when the upper limit of SOC was reached. Now we have something that would truly be useful on a off grid application

@HomesteadEngineering

15 күн бұрын

Yes, that would work great for a battery backed solar power system. EcoFlow sells a system like that on a smaller scale.

i would like to "reverse-engineer" the connections of that 7-pin cable. i'm interested in buying the 7500DF generator, but i want to use my own custom controller. there are a few pins referenced in the wiring diagram, but it's not totally clear to me. it seems it should only require a slightly longer than momentary contact across two of the pins to start it, and also to stop it. if anybody can help, i'd much appreciate it

Yes, I've seen that device for sale on Amazon as well. It seems like a neat little device. However, I think its a shame that it doesn't support the full abilities of the L-14-30 connection, only 2-120V outlets breakered to 20-amps, is most certainly wasting that connections abilities. I have the Westinghouse 7500-watt generator, and I purchased one of those L-14-30 twist lock distribution cables to 4-120V outlets. This way I can power a space heater or AC unit on one leg, and a fridge and microwave on the other leg, as well as some lights.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Yah, that seams a bit odd to me as well. You would think they would have a least had two 20 Amp plugs, one for each leg. My guess is that there is some electrical code that makes that a code violation. I think you could still use the 50 amp circuit to manually switch your house over once the ST switch kicked the generator on. Thanks!

@metak71

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering how wd that work? Also how do u add the furnace which is hard wired? I m prob just go ne have a mts installed, 10 circuits. The st switch 300 dollar price with only 2 outlets seems unnecessary i dont know i dont see the benefit

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

@@metak71 Rob, One way I might use this would be to plug the switch into the 30 amp outlet and use it as described in this video. At the same time you could plug a manual transfer switch into the 50 amp outlet. The manual transfer switch would power your entire panel although the generator may not be capable of powering everything at the same time. So the power goes out, the switch starts the generator and the fridge and other stuff on the switch are automatically backed up. Upon noticing the power is out you could then just manually switch the manual transfer switch over and power your panel. I am not sure this would work as I have not tried it yet. You should check with an electrician before making any final decisions. Thanks!

@metak71

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering so ur saying to have a transfer switch installed as well? And where is the 50amp outlet located?

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

@@metak71 I am just saying this is one potential option. Everything depends on your situation and what you want. Check this out for more info: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mm2q2NVrmc-7edI.html

Saving so many dads from having to go out and risk our health for power

Is it possible to connect a 30amp/240 to my house manual transfer switch or directly to the main breaker? You response will be appreciated.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, this is the preferred way to connect your backup power but please be sure to hire a licensed electrician to ensure that it is done properly. Thanks!

That's a nice system! Thanks for your comment on our generator in the garage. What location do you suggest for running a generator?

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Hello PCL, I would not run a generator in a garage even if it is well ventilated. I would run it outside and away from the house. The carbon monoxide is odorless and can cause officiation while you sleep. I have even heard of the exhaust getting into the attic from being too close to the eves of the house. Then it settles down into the house. I would also highly recommend installing carbon monoxide sensors BEFORE you use a generator. Thanks! Sensors: amzn.to/37luxky Story: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ln-nsNR6g8bHqrQ.html

@michaelmilne9914

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering CO2 is complicated and deadly if miscalculated. CO2 is heavier than air BUT it also has a density to temperature ratio. So the hot exhaust gas will allow the CO2 to rise, possibly into the attic of a house, but then as it cools it settles out of the hot air and seeks a lower level, by then colorless and odorless. So many people run generators in drafty garages that are at lower elevation than their house, but all it takes is a wind shift and the always safe practice to turn deadly. We can tolerate CO2 many times higher than normal but it is quick death when over those, submariners operate in subs that are 5 times plus normal.

Well, I'm trying to set up a generator for the first time. My electrician mentioned that I should get a transfer switch with 10 circuits since my mainboard is full and I may add additional items I may need in the future. If I am using a Smart Transfer Switch, do I need the ST Switch from Westinghouse? I believe the Smart Transfer - 10 circuit switch will do the job of the ST Switch. So I could just buy the generator without the ST Switch. Also, a consideration is that I will be connecting the 50 amps to the home.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Scott, It sounds like you won't need this ST Switch. The generator and your smart transfer switch should do the job. Thanks!

I. Curious if you could hook this up to you backup battery system. Your voltage gets to low and it can charge it back up?

@HomesteadEngineering

Жыл бұрын

It would be possible but would require some work.

Hello. What if I just use it as stand by starter?? I have another Ats to switch betwen utility power and the generator Power, when generator starts the main ats switch to the generator mode. But the gen must by start manually. So, can I use the westinghouse ats just to start and stop the gen when utility pawer is off???

@HomesteadEngineering

3 ай бұрын

Not sure of your exact setup but it sounds like it would work as long as the utility input into this switch is not running off the output of your main ATS.

Do you have to use the power connector on generator? Can it be used just to turn on generator when power fails?

@HomesteadEngineering

2 жыл бұрын

Marc, I am pretty sure you can disconnect the 30A power cable and then plug the generators 30 amp outlet into your manual transfer switch bypassing the ST-box. That would allow for the auto start AND the full split phase 240V 30A circuit to be utilized. (note: I have done it) There may be side effects that I am unaware of so proceed with caution. This is not how this switch is intended to be used. Thanks!

Can you hook this generator up to the gen-start output on your inverter?

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Andrew, I probably would not use it that way myself but it could probably be done. You would need the ME-AGS-N. Here is a diagram: www.altestore.com/static/datafiles/Others/ME-AGS-S_Rev-D_Datasheet_V2.pdf

Can we install in my auxiliary panel 60 amp to action my Manuel transfert switch?

@HomesteadEngineering

2 жыл бұрын

Denis, You would need to consult an electrician before taking any action but I think there would be a way to make that work. Thanks!

Thank you for your efforts, I want this generator for the sump pump, but my question is this: if the main power goes out, but the pump does not need electricity (it has not rained), will the generator still work?

@HomesteadEngineering

Жыл бұрын

I am pretty sure that If the power goes out, the generator should start regardless if you need the power or not. Thanks!

Is the generator very noisy? Wondering if it auto starts at night if it will wake up neighbours. (Our houses are like 10 feet apart and their bedroom window would be like 20-30 ft from the gen). Also - if you hook up both propane and gasoline can it auto-switch to the other fuel should one tank run out?

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Rick, Most generators in this class are loud and yes it will wake up the neighbors if they are 30 feet away. You might try sharing the power with them so everyone gets along. Maybe they supply the gas. It will not auto switch the fuel. You will have to do that manually. You can learn more here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mm2q2NVrmc-7edI.html

@rangerrick8220

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering Ok thanks - didn't think it would auto switch fuel but thought I would ask...

So, if this was connected as you have it just to a light and you Also have your 50 amp cord plugged into the generator going to your manual xfer switch it would start the gen when the light goes out and also power the xfer panel making your manual xfer panel an automatic one?.

@SASouthwing

3 жыл бұрын

Good observation. I immediately thought of how I could do just that. However, most transfer switches are manually operated. I have a Westinghouse 7500DF that also has remote start. I have a 50 amp outlet on my house connected to a Generac 50 amp manual transfer switch mounted inside the house. With the Easy Start, it would automatically start with the loss of grid power and provide power to it's 20 amp outlet. after that, I can simply switch the transfer panel over to generator power. This Easy Start switch will provide one more layer of power continuity for critical items like a fridge and maybe a small space heater (where all of your freezable water pipes are) when you are away from home. At home, you simply do the transfer of power on your transfer switch yourself which then powers all of the circuits that are connected to it. If your generator only has the one 30 amp outlet, you would be limited. With a larger generator, you can plug in both the 30 amp and the 50 amp power cords.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

sh839c, that's an interesting idea. The manual switch would still be manual but I get what your saying. Scott gives a nice example of how he uses his. Thanks!

Is there something like this that would work with another power battery that isn't Westinghouse? I have a Anker Solar Generator. I want to power my fridge and when generator runs out of juice to automatically switch to house electricity.

@HomesteadEngineering

26 күн бұрын

Not automatic but check this out: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qImKlaObpZe9drQ.htmlsi=wPYa-bQIeH9Ia1cT

When would you need the 50 amp outlet?

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Anytime your running loads greater than 30 amps. I personally will probably never use the 50 amp circuit.

@acadianheatingandair3291

2 жыл бұрын

if you have the bigger 9500 running watt gen, they sell 2 st switches , 1 is for 50 amp rated 9500 / 12500 watt gen

Great option for propane or natural gas, but not wise to leave the gasoline valve on unless you are expecting a loss of power or need to insure the fridge stays on while you're out of town for a few days.

@HomesteadEngineering

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Good point! Thanks!

Looks nice. Little bit slow on the transfer but usable. How much battery storage do you have? (In usable kwhs)

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Frank, I have 740 Amp hours at 48Vdc. That's about 36kWh. So if I stick to a 20% DOD, I get about 7kWh usable. In an emergency, I could pull 18kWh. Thanks!

@frankz1125

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering not bad. You will continue to have problems with the lead acid. Let me know when you're ready to switch. I have 80 kwh left

do they have anything similar for their inverter generators?

@HomesteadEngineering

Жыл бұрын

Not that I am aware of at this time. Let me know if you find something.

This is good, but the best way to hook this thing up is to feed a subpanel.take like let's say 8 to 10 circuits. Off your main panel. And install a subpanel.and feed it when the power goes out.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Carlos, I agree that is better. Check out this video for an even better way than using a sub-panel: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mm2q2NVrmc-7edI.html

Can you hook up the 50 amp with this unit at the same time also?

@HomesteadEngineering

16 күн бұрын

Yes, kzread.info/dash/bejne/mIOf08SfirC3k8o.htmlsi=Pyf5u-nFaAINK3eX

Correct me if I’m wrong, here, but it looks like this ATS just monitors a single circuit and makes decisions about the presence/absence of utility power based on that criteria alone. So, theoretically, if your “utility circuit” trips for a reason besides power outage (bad GFCI, defective breaker, overload, etc.) the generator starts. If you had an appliance plugged into the ATS output - at that point -you’d be then back-feeding and introducing generator power onto the utility lines which could do anything from damaging your other appliances to killing a utility worker. Am I looking at this correctly? How did Westinghouse get this product approved?

@HomesteadEngineering

11 ай бұрын

Its a transfer switch. So it only feeds the outlet on the box itself. The power to the outlet on the box will be either powered by the utility or the generator. It will not back-feed the line. Now, if you were to hook the 30A or 50A output directly into your panel without using a transfer switch, then you could have a BIG problem.

@Infamous363

11 ай бұрын

Ok, yes I see now that it’s feeding individual appliances and not the bus bars on the breaker panel. From a safety standpoint that makes sense, but what practical purpose is served, then? Doesn’t manually changing an appliance from utility to standby defeat the whole purpose of the ATS?

I just bought both of these and the switch does not start/stop the generator. The lights operate as described if I start/stop the generator manually. Amazon sent a replacement switch and it doesn't work, either.

good day. I would like to know how to turn off the generator automatically when the power comes on. in my case a WGen7500. Thank you

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Angelo, The ST Switch will automatically shut off the generator when the power comes back on. Without it, I think you would have to do it manually. Thanks!

@traileritalia4824

3 жыл бұрын

Which wire turn it off? Which one of the 7 connection terminal? Thanks

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

@@traileritalia4824 I don't have the pinout

Using this ST switch, wouldn't a person need to make sure that the battery is charged all the time? How long can you have the run switch in the on position, before it kills the battery? Or could you have a trickle charge on the battery at all times, so when the power goes out the battery would be fully charged? Especially if you are not home when the power goes out.. I really like your videos, very detailed and very helpful. I just purchased the WGEN 7500DF and really like it.

@HomesteadEngineering

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Benny, you are correct. If your going to leave it on all the time then you would need to use the included trickle charger to keep the battery charged. I think your going to love that 7500DF. I have never exceeded 7200 continuous Watts so far. Thanks!

@bennyrosalez6648

2 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering Thank you

@jamesfraser7394

2 жыл бұрын

The ST switch charges the battery from the utility power. No need to worry!

@jamesfraser7394

2 жыл бұрын

Via the data cable.

I wonder if there was a way to use that smart switch to trigger an normal stand-by ATS.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

I think you can use the switch to auto start the generator (when power is lost) and then use the output of the generator how ever you choose. I tested it and it works but you have to make your own decisions about how you use your generator and switch. Thanks!

@GiffysChannel

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering Ya I see. I may have used the wrong term though. When the switch automatically turns the generator on, It would be cool to have the interlock automatically switched too.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

@@GiffysChannel I think your looking at a whole house 20k Generac type setup for what you want to do. I personally do not like or recommend that type of setup for a number of reasons. Primarily, they burn and waste way too much fuel so your down time is very limited and they are cost prohibitive. In my opinion, battery backed solar power with a manually switched generator backup is the way to go but it too is very expensive. The difference is that it runs all the time and pays for itself over 10 years. Thanks! kzread.info/dash/bejne/rJZo0cOrabiug7w.html

hi, I am interesting to buy this generator but I would like to use a more powerful automatic transfer switch. How and where can I get the st connectors of this model ?

@HomesteadEngineering

2 жыл бұрын

I think this is the only ST switch that they make for all their models. You may be able to pair this with a 2nd manual transfer switch running off the 30 or 50 Amp plugs.

I have a battery backup inverter that will send out a signal to autostart a whole house gen erator when the batteries get low. Has anybody figured a way to wire to the gen autostart circuit. This Gen can power up to 30 amps and I want to power my panel of critical loads

Can you plug in the 220 plug 30amp and run it to a box in the house, not on utility but needs to have a breaker set from utility to generator. Or is the plug into the 120 generator to box necessary? Will it actually start with nothing plugged into the 120 receptacle?

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Michael, I think I get where your going with this... maybe. The ST switch is plugged into the 30 amp outlet of the generator so that is taken. Now, in addition to the ST switch, you plug into the 50 amp output with your own 50 amp cord. Now you run that into a electrician installed, manual transfer switch to your house. Now when the power goes out, the ST switch starts the geny and you just need to manually switch the 50 amp transfer switch to your main panel. NOTE: just an idea, I have not tried this. Thanks!

@michaelmilne9914

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering I have a 7500 gas only so there is one 30amp outlet and 4 120v outlets. But you have the idea. With only the data cable and a household line in will it start the generator? And allow power independent of the switch? I have the 30 amp to a manual transfer box. This is the only way you can hook this to the house by code in most places, other than running none permanent extension cords. The other question might be if the switch keeps the battery charged?

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmilne9914 OK, I got ya. I try and do a test and get back with you.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmilne9914 OK, I did a test today and it appears to work. It auto started the generator and provided power through the 30 amp outlet to my manual transfer switch. Can't say I recommend this, you have to make your own decisions about how you choose to use your system. Thanks!

@michaelmilne9914

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering Thanks much. What you proved to me is the recharge power is coming through the hot house line and is not connected via the outlets on the box. Which makes sense otherwise they would have added a cut off switch for the generator recharge of the battery when it starts, costly. Generators like Generac do this. This is a much cheaper, more flexible and I think reliable solution. The only problem is weather proofing the box. Using a Westinghouse generator with the ST to a manual transfer box with a power loss alarm in the house is a perfect solution for code areas that do not allow automatic gen to house transfers

Will it work for the 3600df?

@HomesteadEngineering

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure but I don't think so...

What surprises me is the mismatch between the capacity of this transfer switch, and the supported generators. I guess Westinghouse doesn't make anything smaller than 5kw with an electric start? But using a transfer switch like this with a 2kw maximum capacity on a 5.3kw generator, let alone a 9500 or 1200w generator, just seems wasteful. This product would make much more sense if you could pair it with a 2-3kw generator.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Paul, that would seam to make more sense but also think of it this way: This box is just for a few critical loads like your fridge and sump pump. Imagine the storm hits in the night and these things are kept running until you get up. At that point you could plug into the other circuits and get more out of your generator.

@michaelmilne9914

3 жыл бұрын

Most places have electrical codes preventing automatic transfer of power. I think this is Westinghouse getting around this problem. See my post and Dave's test for me on how I am going to use this. I am in one of the code restricted areas.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmilne9914 I recorded the test and I may post the video at some point...

@PsRohrbaugh

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmilne9914 wow, I've never heard anything about this. There are a dozen people in my neighborhood who have automatic transfer switches and I assumed they were legal everywhere.

@michaelmilne9914

3 жыл бұрын

@@PsRohrbaugh I would bet you live in a Republican area. To me the dangers are really small, in causing grid problems. (Like the surge when they all switch back together)

Do you know if the ST Switch will start the generator if the 30 amp cord on the ST Switch is not plugged in to the generator? I have the 7500DF in my shed, my shed has line power but the 30 amp outlet on the generator has the 30 amp cord plugged into it and the other end is hard wired into my transfer switch near my electrical panel in the garage. (cord is buried in conduit from shed to side of house) My thinking is to connect everything the way you show except the 30 amp outlet/cord will power my transfer switch and I would plug the ST Switch into the power outlet in the shed. That way if the power goes out in the shed (and the rest of my house) the generator world kick on and all I would have to do is flip the transfer switches to the "Generator" position to power the breakers the transfer switch serves.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

I did that exact test and posted the results in these comments somewhere... I think it worked but don't remember. I would also have to add that I don't see a problem but your doing it at your own risk. Good Luck!

Does this replace an interlock if you want to connect the generator to your breaker panel? Or with this you are limited to what you can power from just 2 household outlets even though it uses the 30a 240v outlet on the generator? Or am I missing something?

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

One way I might use this would be to plug the switch into the 30 amp outlet and use it as described in this video. At the same time you could plug a manual transfer switch into the 50 amp outlet. The manual transfer switch would power your entire panel although the generator may not be capable of powering everything at the same time. So the power goes out, the switch starts the generator and the fridge and other stuff on the switch are automatically backed up. Upon noticing the power is out you could then just manually switch the manual transfer switch over and power your panel. I am not sure this would work as I have not tried it yet. You should check with an electrician before making any final decisions.

@brarrr

2 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering I think this has the downside of the 50a connection (likely) powering up the branch circuit that is connected to the switch, at which point it will notice that the power is back on and tell the generator to turn off... which will cause it to lose power and tell the generator to turn on, which will power the ... and so on and so on. I can't figure a way to get your cake and eat it too, with a separate panel somewhere that is 100% only the mains.

@HomesteadEngineering

2 жыл бұрын

@@brarrr Yes, but you can solve that by just unplugging the smart switch just before you turn on the manual switch. So for example: You hook up the smart switch as described above, then you go to sleep. Sometime in the night, the power goes out and your generator automatically starts and keeps the fridge and other critical stuff on till the morning when you wake up. At that point you unplug the utility cord from the smart switch and turn on the 50 amp manual switch for full power to your electrical panel.

@sh839c

2 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering Exactly.

@eddiespaghetti8286

Жыл бұрын

ST Switch Gen cable Plug only uses one line for 110V other line is not connected .

If it doesn't pass through 240 and the output is 120v 20amp...what is the purpose of having it feed off the 240? I want something that passes 240v/30A!

@HomesteadEngineering

Жыл бұрын

That is a good question. You can pull from the 50Amp output while using this system but that would have to be manually switched. I may do an update video on this. Thanks!

@cowlumbus

Жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering It seems someone should ahve something that works with 240 at 30/50A (my gen is 30A) w/o having ot cost more the the generator or those units that only go to some cricuits. My 5500 watt used to run the whole house (minus AC) and my new 12,500 watt can in fact run it all as long as I keep it under 30A. Something auto that isn't a $10K whole house would be nice!

What happens to the battery, because you have to leave the ignition switch in the on position are the generator won’t start? Say it set there a week don’t the battery run down when switch is left to on position? The ignition switch is the problem with most remote start generators!

@HomesteadEngineering

Жыл бұрын

The battery would die eventually but I think it would take a while. I'll have to do a test to see how long. Thanks!

@eddiespaghetti8286

Жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering St switch charges the battery when on utility.

20 amp is just too small to me. Love your videos tho. I would rather use a contractor mounted in a box. Add a time delay for start and warm up as well as relay to start gen when power is lost. You could put this all together and use 30amps to feed a critical loads panel with any electric start gen. 20 amps is just too small loved the idea but just isn’t practical unless your generator is smaller than 8500 watts.

@PsRohrbaugh

3 жыл бұрын

This is clearly aimed at entry level people who need something completely "plug and play". Anyone with the knowledge to set up a critical load panel and contactor is not the target customer.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Taylor, I think you make a lagit point but also think of it this way: This box is just for a few critical loads like your fridge and sump pump. Imagine the storm hits in the night and these things are kept running until you get up. At that point you could plug into the other circuits and get more out of your generator.

@thetman2301

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agreed. Both points make sense. I do like how it works as well. Just expressing my opinion.

@metak71

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering but how wd u do that since ur already plugged in to the st switch?

@HomesteadEngineering

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/mIOf08SfirC3k8o.html

use with solar power to charge battery if battery are low

Also- good luck finding a generator. And I posed a question to Westinghouse Tech Support and they took over a month to reply, and when they did, they didn't answer my question. Twice I asked and twice they responded like they never read the email. I know we're in COVID times but seriously, if you are going to respond, read the question and at least try to answer it. Makes me wonder if this is how their tech support will be when you have a real issue.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that.

@rangerrick8220

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering Thanks. Yes, I wasn't impressed. How has the generator held up to use?

I think people are missing the point this is not a switch to run your whole house. But to run some lights and refrigerator in an emergency till you can get other stuff hooked up Or to the point he makes in the video you can leave your home or if’s it the middle of the night this is a stop gap

@HomesteadEngineering

2 жыл бұрын

Well said Ross, Thanks!

Does the st switch come with the generator when you purchase it

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

Johnny, you select the generator that you want from the list of compatible generators from Westinghouse. Thanks!

Has anyone been able to come up with the wiring diagram/pin-out on the generator that the ST plugs into to control starting/stopping the generator? With those pin-outs, it would be trivial to modify a commercial ATS to work with this generator.

@The_Happy_Aviation_Enthusiast

2 жыл бұрын

⚠️Please don’t forget to follow the generator safety tips whenever you use your portable generator. This is a very important announcement for everyone. This is just a reminder for everyone’s safety. All generator safety rules need to be followed carefully Generator safety tips: 1) KEEPING OTHERS SAFE: Please do not allow an unqualified person or your children to operate and service the portable generator. Just because some manuals don’t say that doesn’t mean it’s safe. That is important against the generator safety rules. We also need to be keeping an eye on our children too. You need to make sure that your children are not playing near the portable generator especially when it’s running so they won’t get electrocuted. Generators pose electrical risks and they can be hot during an operation. Please keep your children away from the portable generator at all times. It is important to keep our children safe especially our little ones. Children often get curious about anything so we should keep an eye on them to also make sure they’re not wandering towards the generator. 2) WHERE TO RUN YOUR GENERATOR: Some people use their portable generators indoors which increases the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning. It’s important to have a carbon monoxide if you have a gas generator. Never ever use your generator indoors even if your doors and windows are open and even in the garage is not safe to use a portable generator. Not even at your porch and your deck. It is never safe to use your generator indoors and in enclosed areas of your home. Your generator needs to be 15-20 feet away from your house. 3)🔥FIRE HAZARDS: Never refuel your generator while it’s running. You need to let your generator cool off before refueling it and before storing your generator. Never overload your generator too. Never ever back feed your generator. You should never plug your generator into a wall outlet. Also never store propane tanks indoors. Please keep flammable things away from the generator as well and please don’t smoke cigarettes near the generator. Having a fire extinguisher next to the generator is also important against the generator safety rules. 4) GENERATOR OPERATION: make sure your hands are dry before touching the generator. Never use your generator in wet conditions. Don’t let your generator get wet. You need a generator tent if you need to use your generator during wet weather. Please don’t wear loose clothes when operating the generator. Turn on your generator before plugging in appliances. Use the right cord for your generator. Please do not use worn out cords. kzread.info/dash/bejne/e2WetpV6fqi0pqw.html and here is a video more about keeping others safe when using generators. All generator safety rules should be followed carefully. Hope this helps.

@cmh31909

2 жыл бұрын

@@The_Happy_Aviation_Enthusiast I'm not really sure how that answers my question, but thanks anyway.

@HomesteadEngineering

2 жыл бұрын

Hello cmh31909, I do not have the pinout for this. I am not so sure that it would be trivial even if I did. There may be some hand shake protocols and other commands involved that you would also need to replicate. For example, I think there may be an electric fuel pump that has to be activated. Thanks!

@brarrr

2 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering there's a reddit thread where someone sorted out the pin info. there are 2 at 12v, ground, and 5v signal that triggers when it connects to ground. Pretty simple - however lots of work to get to something else triggering auto-start.

@brarrr

2 жыл бұрын

here's the thread: www.reddit.com/r/OffGrid/comments/mxygik/westinghouse_generator_automatic_transfer_switch/ I may go down a similar route of making my own cable - need something longer, and would like to set up a safe semi-permanent connection between inside and outside.

Definitely a neat device but I'm going to have my electrician build one for me cheaper and more capacity

@HomesteadEngineering

2 жыл бұрын

Not a bad idea. Note: you can use this in conjunction with the 30A or 50A output to a manual switch. That said, building an automatic switch that runs off the 50A circuit would be better. Let me know how that goes. Thanks!

Hey these generators are ok and need to be frequently shutdown after so many hours of use and oil needs changing. They are not what they call 100 percent duty cycle. They don’t even have pressurized lubricant or a oil filter. If this item really works it’s a plus for these generators

The St Switch does not work on my new wgen9500dfc! It does not start but stops the generator when the mains power returns. 😮‍💨

@HomesteadEngineering

7 ай бұрын

1. Does it start when you push the start button? 2. Is the run switch up? 3. Check the data cable to see if any of the pins are pushed in or bent Let me know...

@pt5451

7 ай бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering Run switch is up and braker too😉 , all the setting is fine and it start well with the push bouton. I saw some comments on the web and looks like im not the only one with this problem

@pt5451

7 ай бұрын

The data cable and pin look fine too😉

@pt5451

7 ай бұрын

Westinghouse referred me to a company that manages the warranty and they referred me two repairers but they do not know the St Switch and repairs only small engines

We have used the kzread.infoUgkxOTeIs0vv4_9B5hsmnLsk9r930uDQLu_Y for probably 30 hours with our camper and it’s been great! The noise level is really only noticeable when running the AC and other appliances like the microwave, hair dryer, or coffee pot. It’s not huge like other ones and it has wheels so even at 90lbs, I can move it!

@HomesteadEngineering

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

All this remote control stuff really does not work for me. I have a manual interlock so I have manual steps to get mine up and running. Plus I don’t keep it full of gas. I keep it dry, so yeah, remote controls kind of cool but really wouldn’t work for my situation. Very nice generator though.

@HomesteadEngineering

Жыл бұрын

I am a retired Robotics Engineer and spent over 20 years in automation. That said, I am with you! I prefer to do most things manually. I hate those automated check outs! Don't tell anybody... :)

Make the smart switch operate the 50 amp circuit

@HomesteadEngineering

3 ай бұрын

Yes, That's the trick.

Not nearly enough for the 110 plug ins.

Leaves town and comes back to find the generation missing.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 ай бұрын

That could happen. Need to take precautions depending on where you are.

Incidentally, I bought that "gimmy" Amazon. But before I understood what it really does. For I thought it" transferred" the entire power; from the Generator; into the Electrical Panel. But then I learned that it; ONLY uses a couple' of 20 Amp items. To me that is silly. To take a Generator capable of (often) power (60 Amps) of the entire house. So what in the world is a few lamps, when the outside Power goes out, etc. Huh? So I cancelled it before it was shipped. Thanks Jesus! I saved $300.00, no less!

@HomesteadEngineering

Жыл бұрын

I am pretty sure (I did test it) that you can also run the 30A or 50A circuits but they would have to be manually transferred. It would be nice to auto transfer the larger circuits automatically.

@MrPatdeeee

Жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering Thank you kind Sir.

Power can be off for 48 hours and you wont loose any food in fridge. But you have to be smart enough NOT to open fridge door. You learn that trick by owning an RV/camper. Very rarely will you loose residential power for more than 48 hours. Loosing power to your furnace for 48 hours during winter could be catastophic via frozen water/sewer pipes and frozen bodies/pets. Protect your entire home vs. frridge. Hook up that auto transfer outlet to furnace!

@HomesteadEngineering

Жыл бұрын

Joel, I just ran a freezer test and I found that stuff starts to melt around 7-8 hours in. Still partially frozen after 24hrs but would probably need to be taken out and cooked up at that point. I agree that keeping the heat on and keeping pipes from freezing is priority one. Thanks! kzread.info/dash/bejne/fX511K1qfczHc5M.html

@ewicky

Жыл бұрын

in a heated home, fridge/freezer will not last 48 hours. no chance. typically more like 8 hrs, up to 12.

So......... You're running a 9.5kw genset to have standby on 2 small attached devices up to 20A? That's pretty inefficient. Especially when fuel is $5/gal.

@HomesteadEngineering

2 жыл бұрын

NotMe, you can run any number of devices up to 20A off the ST Switch. You can also run off the 30A or the 50A circuit via a manual transfer switch at the same time. There are a lot of ways to use this depending on your situation.

Limited use transfer switch. Run/Stop switch has to be left on RUN, which over extended time depletes the starter battery. Waste of money in most situations.

@HomesteadEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

I am pretty sure that this transfer switch actually charges the battery when left on RUN.

@jonathanmaddock6824

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering that makes it more useful. Thanks

@jonathanmaddock6824

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomesteadEngineering do you think a service disconnect ATS could be made to communicate with Westinghouse generators to automatically start the generator?

@metak71

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanmaddock6824 that's what it does

@jonathanmaddock6824

3 жыл бұрын

@@metak71 No. I was trying to ask if the generator could communicate with a whole-house service disconnect automatic transfer switch. That would make it a standby generator if it could do that, which I would really like.

lol two sockets

Honestly, does anyone actually buy these things? He just hooked up a 10K+ generator to the thing to get 2 110 sockets at 20A. An auto transfer setup is great to have, but not for a "portable" generator, and especially not for a generator that sized to only power 20A. Other thing, his ending of how it could be useful, if you abandon your house during a hurricane and run the extension cords to get this all setup, pretty sure the generator will run out of gas since it was bad enough where you evacuated and won't be back any time soon (where even if you set it up to run off of the natural gas line, it will run out of oil and be done,) or, someone will have stolen the generator you left behind (and the food in the fridge/freezer it was powering before they took it.)

@HomesteadEngineering

2 жыл бұрын

Sean, Hooking up this switch to run the auto transfer 20A circuit does not preclude the use of the rest of the generator, its just an added feature. People have all kinds of situations where this may be beneficial.

Interesting, I made my own generator controller from a diesel generator controller, check out my channel for a prototype.