It's a 4-53 Detroit, and like all 2 Stroke Detroit Diesel engines that sit, they love to stick injectors and hang the fuel rack wide open and run away. Be sure to check the injectors and bar the engine several revolutions before starting it up. Even then start it with the valve cover off and vise grips on the rack so you can manually control the fuel without the governor in the loop. Making sure the emergency shutdown flapper is free is also a good idea. Oh, and DO NOT RUN 15W40 oil in it. 2 Strokes need Straight 40 or 30 in a CF-2 designation Delo 100 SAE 40 or Rotella T1 SAE 40 are 2 good Detroit oils. 15w40 will ruin the sleeves and pistons by scuffing them to death.

@David-xl8zf

4 жыл бұрын

I´d leave it too, they´re fairly easy to rebuild. New sleeves, new rings and you´re basically done. 15W40 is too heavy of an oil, you´re totally right. You could go fine with 10W30 I guess. A big enough rag to stuff the intake with is also a good advice.

@JohnCarder

4 жыл бұрын

Excellent advice. See bus grease monkey channel for videos on exactly this

@JohnCarder

4 жыл бұрын

No! Straight grade 30 or 40, NOT multigrade. Put 10W30 in and watch it all piss out everywhere...

@tehbald

4 жыл бұрын

I second what another already mentioned here bus grease monkey has a wealth of Detroit knowledge and tons of vids. You might not even need to replace the clutch. Id love to see a collaboration too!

@augustreil

4 жыл бұрын

Just curious as how 15w-40 will scuff the pistons to death ? Does it have sand in it ?

My vote is to keep the mods including the oversized tires and keep it Wagner yellow. Cool little tractor

Big Bud looks at the Wagner: "I shall call him....Mini Me."

@wildhorsemfg

2 жыл бұрын

not really , because wagner predates bigbud ..

Keep the big tires and stretched frame! Not only does it look good, but it is now part of that tractors history.

Call it a Bud Lite. lol

@russrecker5344

4 жыл бұрын

That there's just funny

@robertmesea

4 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah! And paint it yellow at the bottom and white on top.

@trevorbrown2619

4 жыл бұрын

Get this comment to the top so the world can see it

@bradleypike1798

4 жыл бұрын

That’s amazing

@39crescent

4 жыл бұрын

Killer Klein you sir are a Genius

oh, oh, put a PTO in the "restoration" package. That will keep LegArms busy. And leave the weeds on the tractor if you use it as a rock picker, that way you can sneak upon the rocks.

@lolly166541

4 жыл бұрын

If he didn't point the tractor out I would've missed it! What a champ in hiding!

@lukehansen9185

4 жыл бұрын

So they can use it as a lawn mower

@austinricker5990

4 жыл бұрын

Camo

@MRHSDM316SD18186

4 жыл бұрын

LOL

@josiahdixon1018

4 жыл бұрын

They could use the PTO for a grain cart.

2 stroke Detroit's are the very best machine for turning fuel into noise

@randyruppel6727

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@bobbob-fg5wy

4 жыл бұрын

It’s the sweetest song

@johnwiers979

4 жыл бұрын

Does it being a 2 stroke mean that it has to have oil injected into the fuel mix like a gas 2 stroke?

@johnwiers979

4 жыл бұрын

@Rick Delair Thanks so much fo the info.

@hunter7476

4 жыл бұрын

@Rick Delair correct i like your style

You’re right it can’t be a restoration. But it is history! Your own family’s history. And it’s American farm history, it don’t get better then that! You guys is da bomb!!

The John Deere skid steer with JCB decal on it. 😂😂

@Tom3230_..

4 жыл бұрын

Love it 😂

@lifestrong03

4 жыл бұрын

Jalen Rose i spotted that 2😂

Call it a resto-mod, that thing is sweet

You have to paint it white! It is now part of the Welker Family. When finished you guys are as much a part of its history as the one who made it. This tractor reminds me of a little old grandma rocking on the front porch. She is the mother of the hole clan. So i think (Marr wagner) is my vote for a name.

Tractor looks awesome! Hope something becomes of the ole girl! I was forced to retire from farming this year due to health(bad part is I'm only 30 lol), so watching stuff like this makes me happy.

I love the Little Bud idea but keeping it original would probably be the best

@viktor_skold

4 жыл бұрын

Little Bud would be amazing tho

@mrassassin3726

4 жыл бұрын

@@viktor_skold ya it would

@rileychristian1300

4 жыл бұрын

little bud!!!!

@Farmall450

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah kinda too late to be original

I'd "restore" it as Wagners and Detroits aren't all that common any more. I wouldn't paint it white...it'll lead to confusion in the future. Let Wagner have some credit, as many don't know about them. Even the Steigers and Pakoshs(Versatile) deny that they were the "first" with articulated 4x4s, they all say Wagner was the first.

@johnv8757

4 жыл бұрын

Yes keep it a Wagner. You could always put .. Little Bud on the doors with the farm logo

@Bigjoe29

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree 100% leave it as a Wagner

@Rum1981

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly, what i would do! And let the modification as it is, because thats probably done 40 years ago, and also "oldtimer".

@SunderlinAcres

4 жыл бұрын

If you're going to "Name it" Call it Grandpa Bud. Fits better with the History of the Machine.

@theslashmanrc7503

4 жыл бұрын

I agree

Had one with the paddle wheel scraper. Very handy. If the driveline between the transmission and the dropbox still has a carrier bearing replace it with a driveshaft without one. When they let loose it will destroy your transmission and they were hard to find 20 years ago. Leave the big rubber. You will need it. Mine had a bigger set of injectors and would spin all 4 tires while loading the scraper.

I grew up driving my Dad’s WA14 1956 and my uncle had a 1956 model. Both tractors were orange with 195(?) Cummings & 5 speed with HI/LO range. The neighbor had a WA 9, I think it was a four cylinder Cummings. In the late 60’s we installed turbo’s along with duals and no chloride. Big improvements and Dad would brag about getting 20 season on the motor until we traded up for a 900 Versatile. Both Dad and my uncle knew the guys the built the first Big Bud in Havre. Good luck with this project!

Looks great. Keep it yellow and rebuild it as it is.

I would rebuild it as a Wagner. It's a piece of history, that is very rare

@slylan7662

4 жыл бұрын

Restore as a Wagner!

I like the idea of keeping it as a Wagner and fixing it up to as close to original as possible

How cool , wagner in the wild !! My vote would be keep DD and keep it yellow. You all rock

I would try to keep it the original color the same for the motor, great video.

Leave the Detroit in it !!

Keep the modifications. As other people mentioned it’s part of the tractors history. Keep the yellow, call it Grandpa Bud!

I would keep the Wagner yellow for sure. I like the bigger tires but a true restoration would be an interesting history lesson. Cool tractor no matter which way you go.

Aaaaaaaa.........ya gotta keep the 2-stroke in it. Great conversation piece.

I like the"clean it up and an engine rebuild,clutch . Every thing else in working order too. Then a clear coat to show off the old paint. In other words, just the way it is . Only fully functional again. Shinny is nice, but the old original still lasting is so cool also. Whatever you boys decide to do will definitely be done nice. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🌾🌾🌾🌾🌾🌾

@jessenp20162725

4 жыл бұрын

Patina with new lights/interior/good mechanical would be sweet! Maybe paint wheels yellow with black hubs!

Tractors have always been purchased and modified to do the work it needs to do. Give it a job to do around the farm and build it to work. Keep as many of the modifications as possible, try not to lose its history. upgrading to a 5.9 cummins would be a great addition to its legacy. Looking forward to the next video.

Awesome guys!!! Make it your own!!!

In my opinion the real wa4 actually looks like a squashed up mini tractor. This wa4 with the improvements actually looks really nice. I would just give it some paint and tlc and bring it back to working condition. Please leave the Detroit in it and keep it a Wagner!

@natesieg8407

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, I totally agree!

@earnest1212

4 жыл бұрын

i agree after all wagner is about gone. history is awesome keep it wagner please and fix what needs to be fixed , restore what needs to be restored and put new whats needs to be replaced.

I am pretty sure Wagner entered into an exclusive relationship with Deere. They built Deeres for a year then Deere did their typical thing and hung Wagner out to dry thus ending the company.

@WelkerFarms

4 жыл бұрын

That's pretty much it, Wagner 4wd ag tractors ended at a stoke of a pen on a John Deere contract. But thanks to Deere it birthed Big Bud!

@JalenRose02

4 жыл бұрын

@@WelkerFarms the John Deere must he be like pikachu when big bud making articulated tractor.

@jtschwinghammer

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately that's happened to a lot of companies have had that happen to them :(

@Cragified

4 жыл бұрын

From the Agtalk forums. "Wagner never went out of business. What nobody knows is the 4 wheel drive tractors were a small part of their business. They made forestry and mining equipment in addition to the tractors. Wagner had already sold some of the rights to their tractors to Raygo BEFORE they made the deal with JD. So it wasn't like they were hell bent on staying in the tractor business. It has been speculated the reason they did the deal with JD the way it was written was to just give their tractors one last send off because their design was 10 years old, the competition was starting to catch up to them, and they didn't want to invest any further into the 4 wheel drive tractor market. And keep this mind. The whole reason why Steiger tractors exist today is because they tried to get a Wagner dealership to buy their own tractor and sell a few to the neighbors. Wagner turned them down and that is when they decided to build their own tractor."

Restomod is the word hot rodders use for what you are trying to describe Nick. Restored w modifications. Keep it YELLOW!!!

Nick your WA-4 was probably stretched and modified at Havre at the original Big Bud factory. They did that to make a better dry land tractor. A farm around Scobey had a WA-10. I have no idea what happened to it. Probably went to the scrap yards. Massive tractor with a little tiny cab. It had a semi roof mounted AC on it from the factory, or the dealer. 1978 I did up the AC on it.

Well, i think you've got an awesome new vehicle to tow the cannon with.

You for sure need to keep it yellow and keep the original two stroke if you can. That tractor has character, and the farmer mods just add to that. That is awesome that you could buy a family tractor and will be bringing it back to life. If this tractor could talk it would tell one hell of a story I'm sure.

@demidermak713

4 жыл бұрын

I second that.

@makingithappen9722

4 жыл бұрын

Jeupp

I love that y'all bring older tractors back to life

LOVE THE BEGINNINGS OF THE FOUR WHEEL/ARTICULATED DESIGNS.

The first thought I had when I saw it was: "They will paint it white and call it BABY BUD!"

Regarding the tractor: I would keep it in this specification (with the frame modification and larger wheels) since these mods belong to its history. Just a technical restoration, make it rust-free and new yellow paint. It's aWagner, not a Bud, so no "lil Bud" or so.

Keep it yellow, call it "LIL-BUD-ER" little butter. I don't think the sound of a detroit can ever be beat. Thanks for the show, and the time making it.

@JW-ez1kt

4 жыл бұрын

Yea I like lil butter

@Ethan-ck6iz

4 жыл бұрын

I like "Bud Light" more

@jfdb59

4 жыл бұрын

lil buddy

@MRHSDM316SD18186

4 жыл бұрын

"Screaming Jimmy"

@Kraigthecanadian

4 жыл бұрын

Screaming bud or bud lite

Dedicated fire rig or fuel rig. 5th wheel hitch with over the rear wheel tank trailer, but still below the rear window. Love the way you left the brush on it! Resto mod. "Updated original"

if you need a touch of help on the motor, There's a fellow called 'bus grease monkey' those old 2 cycle detroits are his forte and he's pretty good.

@paulriley7902

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing!

whatever you do, keep the Detroit!

"The little bud that could" Awesome machine, can't wait for the rest of restoration!

watching your projects is to me the center piece of your channel. looking forward to whatever you decide to do here with this project. the two of you have already done some great work. thanks Nick and Scott.

2 stroke Detroit or bust!!

@drc600sel

4 жыл бұрын

ModMotorMayhem I agree

You need to keep the Detroit diesel in that tractor. You can’t go wrong with them and for the fact that they are still used to this day should say something. They are very dependable and have lots of horsepower. It will come in handy

@franburke

4 жыл бұрын

And they sound great! Screaming Jimmy all the way!

@svenvolwater5473

4 жыл бұрын

Dependable i think you mean reliable 😂

@makingithappen9722

4 жыл бұрын

@@svenvolwater5473 Isn't that the same thing?

you guys have to keep that 4-53 detroit, they are the coolest.

the Christmas gift for us to watch the process of the “restoration” CANNOT wait to see what you do!! Loved the international restoration that actually brought me to your channel!! love the Wagner I’d say keep it yellow! Keep the Detroit too!! 😉😂

I can’t wait for the full series looks so good 😀

Looks in good shape for the age of the tractor. Can’t wait to see what you guys do with it

When y’all restore it y’all need to bring it to shows love the channel and the vids keep up the good work

I really love that you guys restore and use old equipment. Many can't see the fascinating beauty of heavy equipment but clearly you guys do. Thanks for keeping history alive and running!

I can't wait! That's 2 builds I'm looking forward to now! This winter is going to be AMAZING!

When I heard you say "Maybe call him little bud." I instantly had the name Little Buck pop into my head, I don't know why but that would be a cool name lol.

I like the idea of keeping it as close to a "restoration" as possible. Also very excited to see it completed!👍

You can’t go wrong brother, put your love and care into and it will shine. God bless!

That is an awesome tractor!! Looks like an oversize garden tractor compared to the Bud and all the other modern tractors today. This will be fun to watch. Please keep it YELLOW!!

Keep it a Wagner try to put PTO back in it and use on augers brush mower ext.

@alanb9337

4 жыл бұрын

Category to aim for with the Wagner is 'farm modified' www.hydromot.lu/en/gear-box-with-hydraulic-pump-gear-pump-SAEB-PTO-Group3-4032.html (Rig the wagner, up as a mini fire pump unit, drawbar pull gravel road/ dirt track grader, wood splitter drive unit.

@0jesse10397

4 жыл бұрын

@@alanb9337 I'm kinda shocked at how cheap these units are

THE BUD LIGHT!!!!!!

Montana really does look beautiful. Your so lucky

Great classic 4wd. Congrats. Looking forward to seeing what develops.

@bradr9369

4 жыл бұрын

Haha i actually read this in your voice. Maybe a collaborate when its done?

Resto-Mod is the word you’re looking for.... And we are really looking forward to this project!!! 👍🏻👍🏻

So you are making a resto mod cool happy for you being able to keep it in the family

That's what you call a resto mod!!!. . Tractor style. Love your resto videos!

Ok ik it's not a bud but you have to call it baby bud

I would keep the old girl a wagner and as close to original as you can

@michaellanglie5502

4 жыл бұрын

ditto

Man you guys are in my home country... When I lived in Williston, I would always stop at that same gas station in East Glacier for a snack and fuel. I grew up in Kalispell and I recognized a lot of the ground in your video!

I like the Wagner. Very cool. I will never get the chance to run a big tractor but I sure enjoy watching y’all work on them and run them. God bless y’all and keep doing what you’re doing. Thanks for sharing 👊

Getting in the business of restoring old tractors!!!

Someone in the past took a lot of effort with improving factory design to make it better. I think you may consider leaving it as it is but making it look like new and keeping the WAGNER colors It might for instance be a good tractor for pulling your heavy equipment like trailers, etc. at short/mid distances. The skidsteer is really struggling with some of the stuff you have. Thanks for the video. BTW Can't wait to see the end of the BIG BUD restoration ;)

That is a valuable piece of Great American history, keep it Wagner!

I look forward to you guys taking this on !

You can put a PTO in it so you can pull a grain cart😋

@jaredstivers

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately it only has about 100 horsepower unless they have the motor turned up.

@chevyon37s

4 жыл бұрын

Peter-Paul Lowe I think they’d put a PTO in a Bud before they put one in this, as this is a good bit smaller than the Buds.

@nellsonstout7001

4 жыл бұрын

Peter-Paul Lowe look at that tractor again and tell me that you can pull a grain cart with it

@Tom3230_..

4 жыл бұрын

@@jaredstivers the cart doesn't need to be too big

@peter-paullowe5289

4 жыл бұрын

I actually ment it as a joke( I also work on a farm in South Africa)

I’ve just thought it’s a shame the quad track isn’t there to meet his Great great great great grandpa

That's the first kind of tractor I remember my dad driving on my uncle's farm. Cool old tractor.

Keep it Yellow look good that color love watching :)

My Vote - repaint it the original yellow and call it “lil Budder”!

@jjfarmsllc.9951

4 жыл бұрын

Lil budder haha

@brennansnitkey8530

4 жыл бұрын

he should call it old bud

Wow what a great piece of history! Stick with the modifications, tyresize and colour.

You Welker guys do what you think is best to that Wagner. Don’t worry about being criticised by some chumps in the comments. You guys do awesome work and have great ideas and drive.

Its called a resto-mod. Just like youd do on a hot rod but tractor version lol

I would love to see it restored as is and deffinetly keep the old 4-71 detroit in it!

the Big Bud color scheme would be a cute touch

Awesome project! Great to see younger generation keeping the past alive. My 2 cents keep it as original as possible

The modifications are part of the tractor’s history, and they were made in good faith to improve it. I would say, restore it as is in its current state. Try to track down its history perhaps too. Keep the colour (unless it was different out of the factory?).

When I saw the thumbnail I thought the tractor was a Versatile 300 me and my dad bought one recently for a cheap price because the guy we bought it from didn’t know there was only 200 made in 1973 *Edit* thanks for the likes guys I appreciate it

A family where I live used to farm with those Wagners back in the day. They still have one that they plow snow with and pulled my stuck road grader out of the ditch. What a beast. I said are you going to pull me out with that. And pull me out it did. Older looking cab style on that one. Not sure of the model but he wont sell it lol.

Fella's, real cool project. I'm looking forward to seeing this one through the stages. I also think it's cool you've got a WA-4, after seeing a WA-17 in your 100 year "Tribute" video. Keep up the awesome videos and work.

Keep it as much “original” as possible. Wagner, orange, and Detroit.

You need to get in touch with busgreasemonkey on KZread his specialty is 2 stroke detroit

@jasonketchum4052

4 жыл бұрын

Or Deboss

@danielseelye6005

4 жыл бұрын

Scott (BusGreaseMonkey) absolutely needs to come on to work on that Detroit!

@johnv8757

4 жыл бұрын

I agree on the Bus Grease Monkey. Watch some of his videos before trying to start that little 4-53 screamer. Last thing you need is a run away.

@jasonketchum4052

4 жыл бұрын

Don't get me wrong love Bus grease monkey but put those two together and watch the magic

@barryschaefer706

4 жыл бұрын

Agree with the busgreasemonkey, Detroit, Wagner ideas above...very cool collaboration.

Little bud!!!! Love it cant wait for this build

It's a mini Bud. I have been watching for a while now and this is the first time i haven't seen flatness, nice change for you.

Awesome! looking forward to the videos Episode of bringing her back to life!👍💪🚜

I’d leave the mods. It’s part of its life story

@leoo0076

4 жыл бұрын

Ian Purkis I agree

Wow that Wagner tractor is really cool

Was just past your place coming home from Washington state last week and then seeing family on Flathead Lake. Y’all live in cool country. 6 years in trailer tires is what I do. After 6 years no matter tread.

Steiger started building tractors in 1957 or 58. My uncle had a wagner before his versatile

Looks like a Cat D7 air filter. I’d leave the shrubbery intact. Looks mint.

Please start rebuild this one!!!! Wpuld be nice. Your kids gotta have something in the yard running around in 😜😜

it is a restoration..... its a restoration of a classic tractor that has a lot more history than the average one.

Keep the Detroit as there hard to find and go back to factory colors

@SomeTechGuy666

4 жыл бұрын

DDs are not hard to find. Tons of them around and parts are cheap.

@outlawfarms3864

4 жыл бұрын

@@SomeTechGuy666 I know parts are cheap but where I live they are hard to find I have a 353 and a 453 dd

@SomeTechGuy666

4 жыл бұрын

@@outlawfarms3864 As long as the crank is good and the block isn't cracked the engine is totally rebuildable. If you have to replace the engine, put in a 3 or 4-71. If the 4-71 makes too much power, set the rack so it won't open all the way. I think the 2V 4-71s with small injectors make about 125HP. I suspect that tractor has a 4-71 in it.

@outlawfarms3864

4 жыл бұрын

@@SomeTechGuy666 that what it looks like I have a old gallion grader with a rebuilt 453 and I have a old coe with the 353 that I use to pull my grader and trackhoe