Curious about how TGATB teaches writing??? This is another “thing” that some people have brought up. Here are my thoughts on that: kzread.info/dash/bejne/k5ZmmrqFoZiWmJc.html

@heatheraz4680

2 жыл бұрын

I still prefer IEW for writing. We use TGATB for LA, but I mark most of the writing portion out.

@FLMegan

Жыл бұрын

I think it's a area to supplement- in my opinion.

@jennifer61122

Жыл бұрын

Starting with the newer level 4 LA there is a writing workshop that dives deeper into the writing process.

I’m a public school teacher after homeschooling 25 years. I promise your kiddo will be just fine regardless of her math level! There’s a lot of time to review and enjoy the journey. It’s not a race. Enjoy the kids! You’ll miss them.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!! Yes, I know we’ll be fine! :) in reality, unless you’re going into a field where higher level math is used daily, we really don’t need more than a little Algebra and a little geometry to function as adults. Trigonometry and calculus are not required. :) we’ll get there!

@amypola5903

Жыл бұрын

@@OurHOMEschoolPlan as someone who struggles with math anxiety, just focus on serious proficiency at the basics. Addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division. 1-20. Practice it to death. Go back to the basics, to the point of memorization and serious confidence. Math is about practice. A lot of practice. It is essentially a language. You don't learn to speak it without practice. Tell her that. And that it's ok to start again and work on the important structure of the language from this perspective. Then breath, and don't worry about progress, getting this down will be serious progress. I once took an IQ test and there was a verbal math section. I got the answer right, but was in tears and a complete mess. The test said overall Im fairly smart, so that's not the issue. Practice those basics to confidence, exercise the emotional demons, fight against the stem stigmas she's probably absorbed covertly from society, etc. And that might be a large part of the resistance. She might be picking some up from you. Rewatch the first part of the video where you display math anxiety to the point of rejection of doing the math on camera. You said whatever that is about how many years had past. Thats should have been simple subtraction. It's more than simply skill the practice corrects, but skill does need improvement. I'm redoing this as an adult to improve my math skills. I would recommend you show her the first part of the video where you reject doing the math, after you take time to own it and sit with that and have compassion for yourself, after all women don't do math. Then accept the challenge with her. Or she won't. The biological drive to go with the social flow, and her mother's example, is very strong. It's a societal pressure to not be too good at math if you're a woman. I hope you don't feel too stung, that's not the intention here. But she's picking up what society is putting down. I agree she neeeeeds a different approach. Not a new book, clearly that's not it, not a video or zoom teacher, but you, and you need you. Your other kids will also benefit from this, sending yourself, and them, back to the basics to relearn the structure of the language to confidence. Start with paper until all that's needed is memory. I vote pencil and paper too. Use the computer as a guide, have her write the problems out on paper. The brain likes the friction of the pencil, its a real thing.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

@@amypola5903 thank you for your comment and concern. My daughter actually doesn’t struggle with math facts. We drill those all the time. That’s not the gap. She struggled with fractions, decimals, conversions, etc. beyond math facts. Concepts. I appreciate your trying to help, but I don’t have math anxiety AT ALL. I’m actually very good at math and always have been. I was the only girl in my high school’s senior pre-calculus math class (though I was only a junior), scored into the 30’s on the math portion of my ACT, tested out of all my required college math classes my freshman year, and got a technical degree in information systems management which requires several computer programming courses. I do math in my head all the time in front of my kids and I’m the one my husband comes to when he needs a conversion or a quick multiplication bc he doesn’t have his phone calculator up. You really cannot judge anything about a person from a little video and a little hesitation bc I’m also hearing things going on in my house while I record. 😉 My daughter is going to be fine in math. She actually has ADHD which is why we need to adjust the approach and get her off the distraction of the computer. I do appreciate the thought to not box her into a certain thing, though. She’s too young to determine what she’s good at and what she’s not. 😉

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

@@amypola5903 btw-I really do appreciate you taking the time to help out! I’m sorry for the anxiety you’ve experienced and I know it’s very real and that girls typically aren’t expected to well in STEM. My extended family does a lot with robotics, so I’m sure we’ll get her into that soon as well. (She’s already dabbled in scratch programming for kids and she loves that) You’ve definitely made me think more about how I work with her (bc she has ADHD-I want her to be put into a box). I rewatched them first part of my video like you said and I’m laughing bc there’s a reason I said that. I’ve said that same intro many times on many other videos (with the number of years). I said whatever that is for two reasons…. One, a year from now, somebody watching this video…me-as a channel-my experience will be more. But the main reason is bc there are some other homeschool moms who when they say how many years they’ve been homeschooling, every year it seems to go up by two years! 😂 so recently, a mom who started about the same time as me, said she’s been homeschooling for almost 10 years. Well…we both started around 2015, so how does that math work? But I get it, she’s trying to put forth her “credentials” as an experienced homeschooler. So anyway….I didn’t realize that’s how it would come across as math anxiety, so every year I start a new round of homeschooling, I’ll be sure to say the exact number of years I’ve been at this. 😜

@amypola5903

Жыл бұрын

@@OurHOMEschoolPlan ok. But you just told me that you purposely didn't get math right so as not to upstage other homeschool moms, to not appear smarter than your peers.... It's kinda what I'm saying. So, are you sure? She hits puberty, the social age, and her math skills suddenly regress? It's hard stuff we're talking about here. Whatever the issues are, we won't progress until we get honest about what they are, whatever they are, and It's something, or you wouldn't have made the video. I did higher level math plenty, but the holes in my skills and confidence levels really hindered me. I'm just saying, multiple factors may be at work. Instead of saying no it's not that. Say ok it's that, then try that option on like a dress and see if it fits. Yeah, like a dress.

I’m a homeschool grad, now a college grad & educator at a homeschool hybrid. TT is what I did through high school, and I think it’s a fabulous program. I’ve done many a math program in my day, but TT is what saved me, haha. These brothers managed to explain the concepts CLEARLY, in ways I could finally understand them. I’m eternally grateful for TT, and would highly recommend for high school students needing help. (3rd graders, definitely not so much…I’m team Rod & Staff for elementary years all the way!)

@FLMegan

Жыл бұрын

❤️

@LisaPFrampton

Жыл бұрын

Wow thank you for this info!! My 16-yr-old daughter is very behind in everything. She refused to go to school hardly at all and the last two school years and this year has refused to go at all. I've been trying to homeschool her for years now, but she won't get up until after noon every day and won't do any assignments, etc. I've signed her up for an excellent online homeschool created by a dear friend and homeschooler of over 25 years that was formerly called 16 Stones Academy and now, this year, it's being called Called to Learn. Everything taught in it is through a religious, symbolic and spiritual way. It's quite unique and impressive and based off scriptures and science, etc. I guess look it up. It's by Thom and Tresta. Anyway, if any of you have read my comment this far, tysm!! I do need some guidance. My daughter, Sophie, needs math. I looked into an online class that is one-on-one and she got one free class to try out and I was very impressed with it. They taught in a way that helped her grasp the concept of pre-algebra right away and it excited her! Only deal is that it costs $250/8 lessons with 2 more for free. But, I don't know algebra and I do have his math anxiety that someone was mentioning in another comment on here. I'm pretty sure my daughter is smarter than I am, even though my IQ would say that I'm supposed to be very, very smart 😂😂😂 Anyway, would any of you pay for a class like this to help your own teenager to feel more secure in math and at least learn algebra? Or would you consider this TT to be a better source? I can't help her with the math because, like I previously stated, I don't know algebra.

@KristiBee

Жыл бұрын

@@LisaPFramptonHas anyone helped you out? It sounds expensive. Have you looked at CTC math online? It's a very good program. You pay a monthly subscription but you have access to ALL of the grade levels so you can get your daughter up to speed in any area. You can also print out the lessons and have your student work them out on paper instead of the computer if you want to.

@LisaPFrampton

Жыл бұрын

@@KristiBee nobody has helped me so we've started that expensive math course through BYJU, I think it's called. It's been good so far. It "forces" her to attend. Only annoying issue with it is that they're all Indian and so my daughter has a very difficult time understanding their accent. We switched teachers and I believe they gave us their most English prolific teacher. She's easier to understand, and more patient with my daughter than the first one was. She's attending the online homeschool about 85% of the time, which is a huge improvement from where we started. We just have to print out everything and put it into binders that are created to "grade" and then keep for life, if wanted. We owe them another payment 🤦🏼‍♀️😒 Thank you for your suggestion!!!! I'm going to look into that to see if it's a better fit for her math than this other one we've already paid for. She has mentioned that she'd prefer paper schoolwork, and I'm the same way, so I totally get it. You can contact me on my KZread channel as well. I do have a video about deciding if I should homeschool my son or not and I'd love feedback on that one!! ❤️ Thank you Kristi

@stacydavis4113

Жыл бұрын

See I have a 2nd grader using Math 3 and he does really well with it, but I also sit next to him or at least stay in the room and keep him where I can see the screen. We also make him watch the solutions for any missed problems and I check to make sure he didn't skip any problems. To be fair though, I knew going into this that was how to make it work and how to use the program properly because I used to work for the brothers and was able to talk with Greg many many times over how to use it. I honestly think that the original format that didn't have automatic grading was probably more effective because you couldn't get online and had to work on paper. But we fielded many calls every day where people wanted automatic grading and then they wanted it online and all these other things to make the program more and more hands off. But now people complain that it's too hands off and they had no idea their kids were doing 1 problem and getting 100% because they never checked the actual gradebook. Like I get it, I have four kids but it takes 10 seconds to check the gradebook. I have 2 kids using Saxon, so if all i have to do is check the gradebook each day and make sure he is watching solutions and completed all of the problems then it feels like that's the least I can do.

You’re so diplomatic “it was causing some frustrations” Math caused tears, hysteria and breakdowns here - and that was just me!!! 😂🤣

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Lol!!! Well….I’m trying to be mature about it. You know…not seem so dramatic. I have a reputation to uphold here! Ha ha!! 😂😂😂 (but secretly…between you and me….I get it. I understand you more than I let on.) 😜

@SJHbirdwathcher

Жыл бұрын

Regretfully I totally relate to this reply 😭

@kellyahola4041

Жыл бұрын

Haha i had same Thought!

@racheljones8935

Жыл бұрын

Glad to know it's not just me!

For anyone who doubts the rigor of Teaching Textbooks being able to properly prepare your student for STEM focused careers, Gena Mayo here on YT, mom of 8, shared how her second son used TT all the way through his schooling and is getting ready to begin his third year of pursuing a degree in mechanical engineering. It’s nice to see a concrete example instead of just hearsay. Hope this helps anyone who really needs a curriculum like TT to lighten your load, especially in larger families, which is critical for preventing burnout and mistakenly sending your kids back to public school.

@mamabear5289

Жыл бұрын

This is the first year I’m homeschooling my seventh grader and he mastered the state test as well as his honors math class in six grade when he was in public school. He is now in seventh grade using teaching textbooks and is in pre-algebra. So far as a former educator myself now stay at home mom homeschool teacher I’ll do like the program Due to its straightforwardness about math concepts and the spiraling that is happening which is good because it’s important that when kids are learning they are constantly reviewing older concepts and math. I also like that it’s self paced and it’s pretty straight cut and clear to where if you wanted to pull from other resources to give your child extra practice you can do that. I too am going to have him tested at the end of the school year to make sure that he’s continuing to master his subject matter as he did when he was in public school and my hope is he will do even better with me than when he was in school.

As someone who used tt for years, it's a wonderful program if used correctly. Many people stay hands-off and think everything is fine if the grades look good. If kids are not using a notebook, solving problems on paper in sequence (not like scratch paper) having parents look over missed problems and helping kids correct errors, it won't work. There are too many ways to solve problems logically, with process of elimination, or with online calculators so that they won't really learn the math. I had two kids have to restart algebra because I was too hands off. Did you know there are online algebra calculators? I didn't. Anyway they both ended up testing very well in math in college admittance testing but if I had not figured out how they tried to use tt, it would have been a miserable failure.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you about being hands off not helping. That’s what I realized. And I should’ve mentioned that also about the calculators! I had a suspicion that my daughter was using one. 😞 But the reason I chose TT was to free up some of my own time. So if I have to look over her shoulder, I’d rather use something else. I’m glad it worked for you. And I definitely don’t want to seem as though I’m totally blaming TT. I was trying not to. My daughter has her own challenges and unfortunately the online aspect and my being hands off contributed negatively to the whole experience.

@kgn61

2 жыл бұрын

I agree 💯 with Robbie.

@farrarchannel7227

2 жыл бұрын

I agree about needing to supervise the child when doing Teaching Textbooks to ensure they get the most out of it. We love Teaching Textbooks so far. I have the kids sit in the kitchen while I wash the dishes and have them turn the volume up on their IPads so I can follow along, or we sit on the couch while I breastfeed baby, sometimes they screenshare to TV…that way I know exactly what they are learning and so I can quiz them myself for better retention. Every curriculum should have parent supervision, it doesn’t take the convenience out of TT, still way more convenient than other options, and affordable. I don’t really care if there are gaps or things go at a different pace than other programs, nothing beats the child getting instant feedback. I’m sure if anything needs tweaked, we will find free resources to supplement. I guess I’m more laid back about math, I want them to have a solid understanding of basic math skills that are useful to everyday life, anything above that is a bonus and for their enjoyment/their own personal goals.

@jenniferm.4959

2 жыл бұрын

My daughter uses headphones, but I can clearly see her screen while I'm having a moment to do a hobby of mine and watch over her from a distance.

@ambers4524

2 жыл бұрын

I used CTC math, made my child write all their work in a notebook, and I sat with them to learn and help teach the lessons. It did not help or allow the information to stick. Could be the curriculum, could be the kid isn’t ready…every kid is different. My child doesn’t do well with online learning. Learned that the hard way with CTC math.

We love TT! My oldest started at the local community college at 16 taking Calc 2 and was far ahead of the adults taking the class. I currently have 4 more kiddos using TT with wonderful results. This video and others comments could be thoroughly dissected, but that's not my desire or necessary. Different programs are going to work for different people and the parent and student's involvement can cause wildly varying results. To anyone researching curriculum, use multiple resources to help you decide. The comments in this video are coming from people who are biased because they had similar experiences. There are just as many raving reviews for TT elsewhere. To the mom of this video, I wish you and your daughter the best.

I think that Rod and Staff Math is WAY under rated. It’s straightforward, sequential, traditional, mastery. It’s not fancy but easy to understand. My kiddos are thriving with it ❤️

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

Good to know!! 👍🏻

@audreymcnair350

2 жыл бұрын

Rod and Staff was so great with helping my sons understand the basics!

@mamaneedsagrande

2 жыл бұрын

I switched from Masterbooks to Rod and Staff because we needed a mastery program.. it looks really promising for our family and we can’t wait to use it this year.

@rebeccsnorton6189

Жыл бұрын

Rod and Staff is wonderful But it is not a do it yourself program The teachers manual is great impossible to mess up You can get a placement test free from Rod and Staff but they do not use computer for orders Milestone Books also has their products and you can look in the books before you order They also gave a free grade book that is free and all you have to do is order one Rod and Staff staff are very helpful and also the staff at Milestone books they are based in Oregon New is not always better esp where math is concerned

@denisejohnson4037

Жыл бұрын

My child needs a spiral method, so we went with Saxon.

As tempting as it is, I won't touch TT with a 10 foot pole. I've heard way too many stories like this. Kudos to you for being attentive, Mama! Now you can get back on track!!

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

It’s sad. I also heard stories but I tried to be open minded and see for myself.

@heatheraz4680

2 жыл бұрын

I have also heard lots of negative feedback about large gaps in kids education with TT. I won't ever use it as well.

@mrs.jaywojo5426

2 жыл бұрын

I think it would be good for supplemental exercises. The math seems good, imo. I recognize a lot of the math from my own college classes. However, because of all this info coming out about poor preparedness, I'm switching to shormann math for algebra.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrs.jaywojo5426 Shormann is excellent! Very challenging! My son uses it.

@mrs.jaywojo5426

2 жыл бұрын

@@OurHOMEschoolPlan my daughter seems really mathematically inclined, but when I heard all these stories about TT I got worried. I don't want her to regress. With Shormann - can you pick your start date? I couldn't tell when I was on the site if they let you do that, or if it begins as soon as you purchase.

Hi Rachel! I wanted to say thank you for your transparency. It’s not easy coming on and giving honest reviews and updates as to how homeschooling life is going. I can say that we too have experienced less than favorable results with any homeschooling curriculum that relies on strictly computer use. My daughter once struggled deeply with math. We switched to using Strayer Upton because of its practicality, and now we are using Saxon. I hope that your heart finds peace from the struggle, because I know that all to well. Once again, thank you for your openness and sharing your experiences with all of us.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!!

Kahn Academy is supposed to have some great teaching videos. Maybe another approach to a concept she is having difficulty with might be helpful. If she struggles with problem solving , acting out the problem or drawing pictures can help. Have her explain to you the steps in the process. Maybe doing a daily review problem would help her remember what she has learned.

Rod and staff has an excellent, easy to follow teacher guide and I believe this curriculum is helpful for retention.

I love all the sharing that happens here♥️. It's helpful to see the different recommendations with other programs available. I used TT with my daughter for grades 8&9 ( pre- alg and alg 1). My algebra skills are lacking so something we did was I would sit down with her and take the lessons and then leave her to do the work. Before a test, I gave her the chance to do any review of the.section ( using an actual school day, not as homework). This system worked for us and it was our saving grace- my $.02 ✌️

She’s very fortunate to have a mom like you who figured out the problem! Good luck this year with TG&TB. I hope it works well for her!

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 🥰

My kids have done TT for about four years. My son switched mid-year to a private classical academy and he made the transition in Algebra II with absolutely no problems. I certainly have not seen a problem or concern with my kids' math knowledge, retention, or abilities after using TT.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

That’s great! Every kid learns differently. Glad you found success with this!

I had the same experience with my daughter. She was doing great in Saxon and she begged to do Teaching Textbooks. We hit a wall in Algebra 1. We decided to back up and do pre-algebra through Shormann math. Hang in there, Mama!

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

We LOVE Shormann math!!

Thank you for your honest review. I'm so glad I came across it! I've been considering this program, but now I will know that it requires some effort on my part to make sure it's being understood

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome!

I have been hesitant to do Monarch for LA for my same age daughter for the reasons you gave for your reluctance on using the computer. Thank you for your explanation of your experience!

Thank you for your transparency! This really helps.

We have enjoyed Teaching Textbooks. My child works the problems on paper and I am in the room with them. TT repeats and builds upon the past work, in order to increase retention. We do state testing and my child does well in math. I also have my child do the TT placement tests when we finish one level to be sure they can do it. The placement tests are on paper. I see some comments about about multiple choice, but most of the TT problems are mostly type the answer at math 6. As with any curriculum, it needs to work for the learner.

MATH-U-SEE was what we used and loved. It actually explained math not instructed, if that makes sense. Be Blessed!

@i.d.3671

Жыл бұрын

I tried 3 different math programs and non seem to click for my daughter. I was at a homeschool convention and got introduced to math-u-see, met the creator of it and heard his story, he's an amazing guy!She was behind in math, now doing math u see year - 3 and I have to say, our last end of the year test she has excelled and doing beyond, it has clicked for her and hallelujah! Its an amazing program that I plan to use for all my kids. Simple, clean, to the point - highly recommend!

@bridgetarmstrong4569

Жыл бұрын

MUS was designed to be used by all of his son's and their different levels (one has Downs Syndrome) but the selling point for us is that they won't have to relearn math the correct way if they go into careers using math or science. And all of our kids loved using the manipulatives to reinforce the written and mental math aspects.

@donnathompson739

Жыл бұрын

We did math u see until the year it intersects with Saxon- I think that’s grade 6. But I did find places in math u see where I needed to supplement

We’ve used Alpha Omega LifePacs for math since 1st grade. The thing I love about this curriculum is they reinforce the math concepts from each workbook throughout the year. The next year they do a review unit and then start working on new concepts. They always bring back earlier concepts throughout. She just started 5th grade and it’s still bringing in previously learned concepts. They do self tests after each section and each unit has a final test.

Thank you for sharing your experience! I used BJU in early elementary for my first few children, then suddenly it just got super complicated for us. We switched to Math-U-See and enjoyed it. We also are giving CTC online math a shot, but it is not quite MY personal style of learning. I continue to pay for the family price, because it covers all grades to trig, and I figure somebody/anybody in my family can continue building their math skills, even though I only have 2 out of 9 children left to teach.

We are in similar situations. My daughter is starting 7th, and she is struggling big time with level 5. Each lesson takes her at least an hour and a half. And she has a similar attitude as your daughter. I really didn't want to do TGAB, but more for personal reasons. I do admit, the math videos have been a life saver. Yeah, it's a pain to grade so much. I found it helpful to have her only do a few problems and I check that, than grade all 3 sheets at once. And it's better if I watch the video with her and watch her do the practice problems. She's the oldest, but she needs the most guidance. I can't leave her to own devices, especially with something as important as math.

We have found ourselves in a similar situation and have to “catch up.” The great thing about TGTB is that there is only 120 lessons so we are making fast progress. We worked through the summer. Also, my kids went from hating math to begging for it. Hopefully, you will have a similar experience.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

Oh wow!!! That would be AMAZING if my daughter ended up loving math…..a miracle really! 😂

@FLMegan

Жыл бұрын

So funny. I have twins. One is on teaching textbooks 4 and the other tgtb 3. She is ahead... and kills the tgtb tests but old tgtb is better for him. I think yours is a child attention issue. My kid like that cant retai, needs spiral, is on tgtb old one. She picks up and retains fast. I bought tgtb ahead bc i like the old. The new is too independent for my boy. I also shut her chrome book DOWN from all channels but the ones she is allowed. So it works for us and night zookeeper made my kids write stories like crazy. Blew my mind. Technology works. It's how you control it. Each parent. Each child. Each family. Very very different.

Great job, Mom! What a frustrating situation. So glad to hear that you caught it and are taking care of her progress as best you can! ❤️

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

Good for you! Being so proactive to keep pushing and investigating. I feel like it is the only way to really “see” what they are missing. When we do CAT testing I write down every problem they get wrong as they test. I then research if that was material from this year or the future year. If it was material we learned already, we work on reviewing during summer. That way we are “ready” to move forward the next year. I really feel like since I implemented that it has helped them. P.S. I 100% feel you on the sass lol. My sons turning 13 next month and I get allllllll the attitude rn lol.

@broken10100

Жыл бұрын

Power homeschool has video instruction. If they don’t master the skill they go back to review. This process repeats until they master it. It’s one of the reasons I love power homeschool for math. In the videos it gives visual explanation as well as verbal. I hope you find a curriculum that works for her!! 😍

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Sassy teenagers!! They require a lot of energy! 😜

We are coming across the exact same issue with my 11 year old son. My husband wants to monitor him himself and will go over things with him regularly to make sure he’s getting it. That makes it easier for me. I’ve got 4 younger kids to teach and thought TT would be awesome for me. But it is not awesome for him. We may be switched by next year, but are gonna give it another semester. My 9 year old does better with it. We’ve pushed both of them to a grade ahead, and sometimes they struggle. We will see how it goes. I was looking at Math U See because of the videos but am not sure how easily we can hop into a mastery program after a spiral approach. Thanks for your videos! They are super helpful!

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome!! Having your husband help with this is such a blessing!!!

We used TT for 5 years and I thought the same thing about how it worked well until we hit a road block in Math 7. We started using TBATB with our 5th grader this year and it was teaching her concepts our 7th grader hadn't learned half way through his TT Math 7 curriculum last year. I'm wishing we would have switched sooner but I didn't realize how much was missing until he started struggling last year and I started searching out other curriculums. You live and you learn. Thanks to your recommendations though our oldest is doing DIVE 7/6 this year and will be back on track to start Pre-Algebra next year.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

Wonderful!!! Dr. Shormann is such a great teacher!

@nikchik382

2 жыл бұрын

I REALLY love Simply Good and Beautiful Math and I think knowledge wise Math 6 from TGATB would have been great for our 7th grader this year but he doesn't like all the colorful pages and videos like our daughter (in 5th) does so DIVE is a lifesaver! 😉

We had the same problem with TT. 😢 My daughter loved it when we switched to TGATB Math!!! 💕

I just want to encourage you that it's okay and your daughter will be fine! It could just be her learning style as well! I did TGTB with both of my kids last year and my daughter did fantastic but my son wasn't retaining concepts and would get very frustrated. I think it's TOO circular for him. So we're trying Math U See for him this year (daughter will continue with TGTB), and if he flies through that we might supplement with TGTB. It's amazing how different kids' learning styles affect the curriculum choices!

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

I agree!! Kids are soooo different. My daughter has ADHD and I’m positive that, THAT is half the issue here. That’s why I didn’t want to seem too down on TT. It’s just not a good fit for her. But I have to admit, I’m surprised at all the comments by other saying they experienced the same thing. Good luck with Math U see!!

We have used TT math through level 7. We have done standardized testing and my kids have done great every year with math. My son just started LOAU distance learning and transitioned into there math program beautiful. I feel like TT is solid but you definitely need to stay involved with what your kids are learning. From time to time we did need to stop and practice some concepts longer. Hopefully the different program helps. Looks nice for sure. Love your honesty and sharing to help others.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! what is LOAU?

@nancyjaynes2868

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This is my exact experience. My girls were sneaking off with the laptops intended for school work and playing online games we had no idea about for hours and hours. I assumed they were doing homework, but they weren’t. And when my oldest two went to public schools we were all shocked at how little they really understood in their math despite nearly perfect TTMath scores. I think it just gives you a false sense of security so you let your guard down.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

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That’s too bad. Yep….that silence doesn’t always mean all is well.

I too was intrigued by the good and the beautiful math this spring. But my daughter's trouble is that online programs hurt her retention. So as tempted as I am to switch to TG&TB I know the problem will only continue. Christian Light has been a blessing for us. We are four years in and as blingy as the other programs seems, it continues to be what works best for our large family. It teaches one new thing each day to the student and then does a lot of review from past concepts. I check in with her once a week during her quiz lesson to make sure she is getting it.

We had the same issue. We use good and beautiful and Saxon now. I’ve been homeschooling for 12 years. We have 8 kids. We use the Robinson method and it has changed our life and homeschool. Great video. Thanks for sharing.

Same! No retention. I switched to learn math fast system. Amazing so far. To the point and gentle for the struggling student.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

This curriculum has come up SO MUCH in the comments!!

@DK-tq3fy

Жыл бұрын

@@OurHOMEschoolPlan And you can print the worksheets so you can reuse the Learn Math Fast books with younger kiddos.

Oh my goodness!! This literally just happened to us on Sunday. I was stunned! My daughter is 11 and just finished TT5. She passed with a 98%. I printed out TGATB math 6 placement test and she couldn’t start either. I knew that it was also advanced so I printed the 5. She was able to get through it but did struggle with a few things. I couldn’t believe it though coming from her grades in TT. It has brought her spirits down with the mind set of her doing level 5 instead of 6. So we’re working through that right now. I completely feel your frustrations though. I knew I was going elsewhere this year with math because of a video I saw Ashley from grace and grit make about TT lacking in a few areas regarding prepping the kids for pre algebra. But I just couldn’t believe how much was being missed.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve heard of those stories but math curriculums all teach things differently so I’ve also heard that jumping around can harm progress. So I wondered if that was the issue people had with TT. I think TGTB 5 is SUPPOSED to be equivalent to TT6. So maybe your daughter IS ON track! Either way…..here’s to hoping TGTB works! 😉

@heatheraz4680

2 жыл бұрын

I saw that video as well. We never used TT. I had considered TT, but ended up choosing Math U See instead. I love it and it will always be our main math program. We do supplement with TGATB math because my husband wanted the kids doing more math. He doesn't think 20-30 min is enough time spent. He agreed to homeschooling but is on the fence at times so I just add the extra math so I can continue to teach my girls and we don't end up in a disagreement. 😊

@StephanieMT

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't teaching textbooks a level behind though. So tt 5 is really grade 4

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

some people's experiences showed a "grade level" different greater than a year. It's so hard to tell. What's a reasonable math assessment? reasonable to me is are they ready for algebra and geometry by high school, right? So what's a responsible pace to get there?

Thank you! My son tested well on the placement for Jr High with TT, but then 1/2 through, he struggled more and more. I work from home and cannot help at all hours of the day. So today, I have decided to switch his Math, but I need help deciding what will work best. This is why I've run into your Math Comparison videos and saw another mom that noticed their child with 'good scores' but no concept of learning the material. Also, his older brother was "helping" him with the answers.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Shormann math has math for junior high. Shormann has videos that help with Saxon. And I think he has a pre algebra course. Saxon, you’d have to grade yourself. But once you could move to Shormann’s course, it’s much like teaching textbooks except more advanced.

We have used teaching textbooks for over three years and my son has tested very highly in Math scores. I do however sit with him through each lesson and make sure he is working problems out. We also make formula cards to help him remember formulas. The only time I leave him alone is if it’s in the beginning of a year and it’s just remedial work but even still- I want to make sure I am present for any new info!

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

That’s great! It may work well that way. I chose TT so that my daughter could use it while I worked with my other kids. (And it’s marketed that way…..to help free up Mom’s time). So if I have to sit next to her to help, I’d rather use a different curriculum. It’s like the difference between those who like digital planners Vs paper planners. I’m a paper planner gal, therefore, also a paper curriculum gal. 😉

I have my morning coffee while I watch my son do TT. (We've only been doing it a couple months). A word problem popped up and I was surprised he didn't struggle with it at all as they are usually a big deal. I asked him how he knew to subtract so fast and he pointed to the top right corner that said "taught in lesson 8" or something like that. He said "in lesson eight we practiced subtracting by twos." So rather than reading the story problem he just subtracted by two and got the right answer! Goodness! He can really apply those memory skills when it suites him LOL. We switched from TGTB math to TT this summer. I hope it works better for you than it did for us. He was taking an hour and a half just to get through one lesson. :( I'll have to be sure to keep watching most of his lessons. I pray it works.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

Oh boy….yeah…word problems should require some sort of thought analysis. If there’s one thing I’ve learned….there’s no perfect curriculum. I honestly can’t think of one that we’ve had zero issues with or that has worked for every single child.

@heatheraz4680

2 жыл бұрын

We really enjoy Math U See. Might be worth looking into.

Thank you for being so open and vulnerable about this! That's so hard to have a full year and realize that the curriculum didn't do what you wanted it to do. 😥 We use Right Start and love it, but it is teacher intense. You might want to check out their math games book. It's the only way my kids retain math facts and it could help with some remedial work for your daughter. ❤️❤️

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!! I’ve heard of Right Start! It does look like a lot of pieces!

@JoyfulNoiseLiving

2 жыл бұрын

I second using Right Start for math games!

@jmljasmine

Жыл бұрын

Agree with at least picking up the math games. That can supplement any math program. You can probably get it second hand.

I literally could have made this exact video from our experience. I have 4 boys, just entering 9th, 7th, 5th, and 3rd. For many years, my older two boys did Math Mammoth, which is a solid "advanced" math program. My oldest has always struggled academically and math is hard for him, so up until last year, I literally sat with him (and his other brothers) and did math right beside them. When my oldest entered 8th grade last year, I decided it was high time for him to start working independently, so we switched to Teaching Textbooks and he went into PreAlgebra. My 2nd son followed him into Teaching Textbooks Math 7. My younger two boys had been dabbling with TGTB math for years, and when they came out with their Simply Good and Beautiful Math, I fell in love, so that's what they've been using. For my older two boys, I thought things were going well with TT...if they didn't get at least 80%, they had to redo the lesson over. Finally, come about March of this year, my husband was home one day helping my oldest with math and he came to me and said "He doesn't know a lot of basic skills. You have to make sure he learns those things." I decided to get TGTB Math 5 for both my oldest and 2nd son, since that was the highest level they had out at that time. I thought it would be SO easy for them...it wasn't! They are now almost done with Level 5 and will move into TGTB Math 6. They have learned SO MUCH using this program. It stressed me out that my oldest especially is so far behind, but he needs to learn these things, and honestly, the SImply Good and Beautiful math has been absolutely fantastic.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

What a wonderful testimony! It is a little mentally “stressing” for us that our children are “behind,” but that’s the way we’re wired. They’ll get it.

@luvlyval587

Жыл бұрын

I printed off Level 5 for my daughter, thinking it would be a review over the summer. It wasn't easy for her at all and she missed some key issues. We are finishing up now, and we may do Level 6 instead of doing our Math U See. Or both.

@samiam511

Жыл бұрын

What made you leave math mammoth?

I’m feeling you on this one, though we are still using TT, I changed how we use it this year. I have Qustodio and the whole computer is shut down except the TT app. If somehow another app gets left open and I catch them playing during math time, that app gets deleted. Also, we have stopped using second chances. I have started telling them to check their answers before entering them. This has been an adjustment for sure, but they are improving in this necessary skill! If they get answers wrong, they take the accurate score, but still have to work until they have the correct answer. I’ve become much more strict this year after realizing how easy it was for them to pass, but not retain. We will move from TT 7 to Shormann pre-algebra (that’s the plan for now anyway).

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

The computer is a definite temptation!!!

Our only child is 21 but I'm really glad I wanted your video! We are currently in middle of a printer issue so I'm checking out your printer link.

I highly recommend Rod & Staff. Most straightforward, mastery based math there is!

I hope you are able to catch up quickly. That must be very frustrating. I wanted to try TT when I first looked into hm, but then I started hearing stories like this. I do not enjoy math nor teaching it but I rather do the work now then have to back track later. Thank you for the warning to other moms!

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

I hate to say it’s TT altogether. My daughter definitely has learning challenges that have contributed. Having help with teaching math is such a draw. But ultimately, a child just needs a customized instruction, which is why we’re homeschooling, right?

We heard before starting that TT is “behind” so we do two lessons a day and get through two years a year. So my 2nd grader is doing math 5 right now and doing great. My fourth grader is just starting math 6. I am interested to see where they would place with THTB. Maybe I’ll print that off. But we did do a placement test…I can’t remember it was for a coop and they did fine. I think as long as we complete it we won’t be missing much. And then we will finish all the levels early and I plan to do a dual enrollment for college credit starting in ninth grade. By then they will make it through all the TT levels.

This is the first video of yours that I'm watching and I LOVE it!! Your editing is delightfuly funny! And as far as math, I hear ya and you're doing a great job, Mama 🙂

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!!! I do put a lot of effort in my editing. (Maybe too much sometimes)

I pray that you're finding success with TGTB. 🙏🏻💗 I also appreciate your transparency. Thank you for being "real". It's like I'm watching a TV show but you're a real family going through some really challenging things. Just a sidenote, my daughter was struggling with ALL her homeschooling and I finally had her evaluated based on the recommendation of her pediatrician. I don't care about labels etc. Although her IQ tested fine, she's showing learning struggles in reading, writing and math. Also diagnosed with ADHD combined and anxiety. So yes, we use TT level 3, it's our second year trying level 3 because she wasn't ready/ wasn't retaining etc. I also supplement with Math U See for the hands on approach. All that being said, pray and seek wise counsel if your daughter needs some extra help I have learned that it's 100% a-ok! Right now trying to remove the stigma in her heart of "feeling behind" her grade level. A lot of 🙏🏻 , grace and dependency on The Holy Spirit. 2 Corinthians 12:9-10 for me!

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

thank you for this thoughtful reply. my daughter does have ADHD, which is why I'm not overly concerned with "grade levels." But it definitely affects her diligence in the things she needs to do. TGTB is working out well and even the lessons where I noted she needed to redo, she's saying, "this is easy! I already know this!" So as I suspected, when she took the test....some of her missed answers were just not taking her time to think about what they were asking. There were definitely things she needed to review, but I love that there are lessons that are easy for her. It helps boost the confidence! :)

I have similar situation, thank you for sharing your solution to us. Helping alot for homeschooling mom.

Thanks for sharing. I had the same issue with my son, which I found concerning as he had always done well in math

Love this! My 12 year old sounds like yours. We have done TT and my daughter would disappear in the office and not successfully complete anything. So we will try TG&TB.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

I’m glad I’m not the only one who has disappearing children! 😂

Thank you for sharing your experience!

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome!

I can completely relate to your struggle with this. I’m now homeschooling rising 6th graders who I’m only now finding out struggle with RETENTION. I feel like your teaching textbooks experience has been their entire traditional school experience. I’ve found myself having to review even some 3rd grade concepts with them. At any rate, we all have loved Saxon for the very reason most people don’t. Instead of “drill and kill” I call it “drill and instill”. Life of Fred has been a brilliant supplement. But retention continues to be an issue. So I’ve just resigned myself to two realities 1) I will have to be hands on with math 2) as an adult who has had college math all the way through differential equations what is most important for their foundation and future math and life success? I believe fractions, mental math, time math and money. Thus no matter what level of math they advance to I will be constantly reinforcing these concepts and others as I see fit. My girls really do need a spiral approach in general so I will just need to supplement in order to build in mastery as I see fit. Either way, it’s all on me. I won’t be able to outsource math in anyway. Hoping they will be more independent by high school.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

Some kids to great with Saxon!! So the "drill and kill" phrase probably comes from those would might need a different approach. There's a balance between giving your child the information and facts they need to know vs. keeping that spark alive - to love the learning process. And I think that's what the "drill and kill" phrase from. If a method is causing resentment or complete lack of interest.....perhaps its time to see if there's a more pleasant option that can do the same job. :) But again.....I KNOW many, personally, who succeed with Saxon! It know its a great program.

@andreasanford8814

Жыл бұрын

My husband and I have been very hands on with our children's math schooling, even the upper level math- Algebra, Geometry and Trig. We chose a curriculum that was more teacher involved because we had heard good things about it. It really bore good results with our oldest who became an amazing problem solver- partially his giftedness and partially the way we taught him math. We haven't had the exact same results with our second son, but this is because of his own hangups- we taught them the same way. My next child struggles with Math and I am not sure if I should continue with the same curriculum for Algebra, etc. She struggles big time with retention and it has been a slow process to teach her math. Lots of repetiton is required and our upper level curriculum doesnt contain a lot of practice. So, I was thinking about Math U See.

@julia738

Жыл бұрын

Life of Fred is soooooo much fun for supplemental math! I loved my LOF books!

@nenyeo6090

Жыл бұрын

@@andreasanford8814 what curriculum was it?

@andreasanford8814

Жыл бұрын

@@nenyeo6090 Videotext by Rightstart.

My experience (as a certified teacher now homeschooling) is that TT is about a year behind AND is very incomplete in the area of problem solving skills. It is great for basic math, to avoid me teaching everything, to get daily reports, etc. To make sure we stay on track, we work about a year ahead of their grade level. My kids are required to show their work on paper, look at the show solution videos for every problem they miss, and to go over all mistakes with me for scores under 85% or under 90 for more than 2 days in a row (so missed concepts don't start to snowball). I use Math Mammoth Blue Series which organizes by unit not grade level to reteach tricky concepts for them. Also we use an Evan Moor Daily Math which includes some more multi step problem solving problems in a quick 5 problem half sheet to stretch their brains as a warm up. If used in isolation and not monitored, there is no way I would recommend this curriculum. But it does what I need it to do for my kids as an independent base and simple review.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. It’s marketed as being able to “outsource” math. But it doesn’t work that way for everybody. It doesn’t take away the “teacher intensive” aspect. It’s just shifts it. Teacher still had to check everything, keep an eye on everything….all of it. So if it’s not outsourcing the math to another tutor, why would I use it when I know there are stronger math programs out there also with “tutors”. For example, Shormann math, he teaches Saxon. Nicole the Math Lady teaches Saxon. Shormann also has his high level math courses, his own curriculum….it teaches and also grades like TT but according to Cathy Duffy (and many others) it’s as strong as Saxon and more advanced that TT. And the reason I’m switching to TGTB…video lessons, but everything done on paper for me to grade. But no distraction of everything being on the computer which a temptation. The video lesson is only 10 minutes, they do the problems together in TGTB workbook, and then they do the practice problems.

Being in the homeschool trenches can give us so many things to manage. Top that off with taking on "how our kids turn out as a result of how well we did educating them" and it can be extremely overwhelming. Computers can be a help and they can also be a huge hindrance. We have had the same issues as you and many others with them. We do have one desktop and it has a place in our living room with the screen facing the living room. Not saying technology is evil, but there is a reason it's called the "web." It sounds like you really handled this challenge with math very well. I like the fact that you kept math "outsourced," in a way, with the videos available, but you are still available to teach your daughter and answer her questions. It's still hard to have the discipline to sit with them every single day, doing a subject they find challenging, which we also have found creates frustration and anxiety. I found that using Cuisenaire rods along with the Gattegno Mathematics textbooks, help to cement the ideas in my children's minds and gives us another way to see math concepts. I'd be interested to know how it goes doing math this way. Somebody else suggested taking your time. That's good advice. There's nothing wrong with revisiting concepts or trying new ways to learn them. Adults do this all the time.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!! We used to have a desktop computer in the kitchen. It definitely helped that they could move. :) Yes on the cementing and revisiting ideas. Unless you are going into a profession that really uses a lot of math (architecture, engineer, etc) or unless you’re for sure going to college, how much higher level math do we REALLY use as adults? I use some algebraic concepts (not all) and I use some geometry (not everything I learned m, though). Pretty basic. I might even venture to say that most adults don’t use more than an 8th grade math knowledge. 😉 so yes, I’m not worried about being “behind.” And I know even from college. There are remedial math courses for college students who still struggle with math. Education isn’t really about how many facts you know. It’s about figuring out HOW to learn and problem solve bc unless you apply it and use it consistently, students aren’t going to retain much of the WHAT anyway. Having said that, all I want is for my children to make progress every year. And since I didn’t see much progress with this curriculum, that’s why I’m moving onto something different. 😉

Aw that’s too bad it didn’t work out! Have you tried Mr. D Math? It’s online and excellent. My oldest did the self paced version, which includes live online tutor help. My middle has to use TT, it’s the only one that works for her, if it gets done ✔️, I’m happy. She takes notes in her notebook and is very diligent with the program. She has to bring her laptop into the dining room to do it so I can watch over her shoulder. Our homeschools here in B.C. Canada use it a lot too! I think if they’re happy with it, it’s good enough for me ☺️

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

I’m really glad it works for you. I didn’t want to come across that it was only a TT issue bc I know it works for some. And I know my daughter’s ADHD contributes to some of our “issues” in general. 😉 I have not heard of D math. Will add it to my list!! Thank you!!

@mommyof3smarties

Жыл бұрын

@@OurHOMEschoolPlan yes! Mr.D! My sister in Texas recommended it to me. Check it out, they also offer honours classes 😊

Thank you for your videos. They have been so helpful. Your daughter reminds me of my daughter. We will be first time homeschoolers coming from a private Christian school. We decided to use BJU distance learning because of the video, workbook and manipulatives.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome!! I’m glad you can relate bc that’s so valuable when sometimes we feel alone in our struggles! There’s a lot of kids like ours out there! 😉

You’re not alone! We are in the same boat right now! We used teaching textbooks level 4 and half of level 5. In the middle of this school year I decided to add mental math exercises bc I felt TT didnt practice a lot of that. It showed me that there were some major gaps in my kiddos knowledge. I also chose the good and beautiful and now were having to start level 4 of it in the middle of the school year to get caught up and will be working through summer. My kiddo was also making in the 90s with each TT lesson. I feel that there are some major gaps in their curriculum and their style of teaching didn’t help my daughter retain what she was learning. She had forgotten a lot of what I had taught her before starting TT. It had me questioning what on earth was TT even teaching this whole time for her to bomb the placement tests as she had. We also took Math Mammoth placement tests as well and she was just as behind with them. As fun as TT is, something just wasn’t right with it.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Yeah…we’re doing a little better with TGATB but the overall retention of the math is still an issue.

@Ash-fn7wb

Жыл бұрын

My daughter has struggled with retention too. Math is not her thing. I had her exactly where she needed to be though when I started her on TT so I know it played a part in her getting behind. Good luck with the new curriculum!

As a newer homeschool Mom I researched and read lots of reviews on TT. It sounds great for the parent because it's something to delegate and the grading feature sounds helpful but also read that TT is behind. We've been using Christian Light Education for Math because it was what my son was using when he was in private school. It's been wonderful including the teacher's guide. I have considered TT for High School, but now that I am listening to your review, I think I'll steer clear so as to not lose any of our progress. Thank you so much for sharing this video :)

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

We use Shormann math for my high schooler! It’s online and keeps the grades for you (like Teaching textbooks) but it’s advanced. And the teacher is a Christian. I highly recommend it!

@MariaSantana-hx4bb

2 жыл бұрын

@@OurHOMEschoolPlan So appreciate you recommending this as I've heard about this one too. I'll search your channel to see if you've done a video on this but if not would you please consider doing one?

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

@@MariaSantana-hx4bb I don’t have a video that’s only about Shormann math. My high school curriculum choices video is coming next week and I mention it there, but I don’t think I go into a lot of depth. I’ll probably do a video this year about it, though! 😉

My daughter has ADHD and I can relate with you here. Video lessons are not a got fit for her either. I'm glad you did this video, I was about to purchase this curriculum, and you reminded me that Time4learning was not good for her at the time she was on Prek because of the video lessons. She didn't retain anything and lost a lot of knowledge she already had. In the other hand my son with Autism learns better this way. My daughter is a kinesthetic kind of girl so, I appreciate your time in making this video a lot! 🙏🙌 you just make me remember our own struggles. 😊

@ClaudiaRamallo281

Жыл бұрын

We also do TGTB Math curriculum.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

I’m glad it’s helpful! So this year we’ve tried TGTB math and it wasn’t a great experience either. My daughter also has ADHD and it’s such a struggle to know if she’s truly struggling or if she’s just doesn’t care bc sometimes that’s what it APPEARS to be. So we may be trying something else. My 3rd grader is catching up to her facts speed! 🤓

Same experience! We did Teaching Textbooks for a year and it seemed everything was going great until I decided to do a placement test elsewhere just to see how TT stood up. He was SO BEHIND. I then printed some things aligned with common core standards for his grade and again SO BEHIND. I felt just awful that we did an ENTIRE year of TT and it ultimately put him so far behind. I cried and felt like such a failure. :( I ended up using Thinkster Math and he meets up with his teacher every Monday via the app. He has caught up by 2-grade levels in one year. This will be our second year with them and he is almost fully caught up!

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

I keep seeing this story….you’re not alone. I think what I’ve gathered from many, many comments and even additional research is that TT is very gentle. And in levels 3-5, they essential learn the same thing. Levels 4-5 reviews concepts from level 3. And it’s probably at this point they fall “behind” other curriculums. It’s hard to switch TO TT bc you don’t expect to slow down. And then when you leave TT, you weren’t expecting that you fell behind other curriculums paces. I’m glad you found something that is working! Thinkster is on my list.

I am a new subscriber 🔔. First of all, let me say that I know you are doing a fabulous job! Cut yourself some slack, take a deep breath & know… TRULY know that everything is going to be JUST FINE 😌 You are a wife, a mom, a daughter, sister, friend… housekeeper, cook, teacher, chauffeur… and whatever other activities you have going on. We can only do what we can do. My daughter just turned 16 & is an only child. She was in a private, Christian school through the 3rd grade. Her teacher wanted her to repeat 3rd because of Math (A’s & B’s in all other classes!). I refused to pay another years tuition for 1 class, so we chose to homeschool. My daughter nearly cried her 4th grade year telling me she loved to do math now (just because we were able to go at a slower pace & took time to explain & work on problem areas. Fast forward… does she still LOVE Math? No! It’s a struggle to find something that works for us, but I have come to learn that knowing the basics is what’s important & her being stressed will only shut down her ability to learn. She WILL get through life without knowing all there is to know about Math! Focus on her other subjects that she excels in! Don’t give a second of your time to the nay sayer comments & how fabulously well their scholar did with this curriculum or that! YOU DO YOU!! You are a blessing! You love your family & are serving them well!! Celebrate THAT!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Welcome and Thank you!! Yes….I’m not too stressed bc in reality, unless you’re going to be an architect or an engineer or something like that, how much math do we really NEED to know in this world to get along ok? We’ve got plenty of time! You are right. My focus for her is progress and also trying to spark some fun and joy again. I’m determined for her NOT to hate school! 😂 Your situation with teacher wanting her to repeat for 1 subject…..sigh….what a flaw in the modern education system. This epitomizes it. In homeschool, you just slow down math, but proceed at the child’s pace for all other subjects. Children have different aptitudes for “subjects” at DIFFERENT times! We are so fortunate to be able to tailor the education to the child, and not the child to the education! Thank you again for taking the time to encourage me!! I’m so glad you’re here!

I just had this experience with my son who is 12. last year we did level 3 with maserbooks and switched to the TGTB level 3. And I can tell he hasn't retained much. I was so disappointed/frustrated. He did 2years with masterbooks level 2-3 and would be doing their level 4. Now my son does have special needs and I thought we had made more progress than this. But We are now taking the TGTB level 3 slow to really get these multiplication facts memorized so we can move along more quickly plus no more breaks from math in the summer even if we are just doing math games. But I can already tell he is enjoying the math better! Best of luck and I can so relate!

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

YES!!! I also told my husband we will continue math through the summer next year. Maybe just 2 days/week but I think that’s part of these issues also! Good for you, Mama!!

I'm so sorry you're going through this. My 8th grader is significantly behind as well due to poor retention in earlier years. She has ADHD, and I realized that she needs a ton of regular review to retain math. Last year I started using Math On the Level. It has a fantastic customizable review system. The curriculum offers ways to learn math through hands on experience, but I mostly use other workbooks to teach, then use her system to create review worksheets that just have 5 or 6 problems each day. This has made a world of difference. Your daughter might really need a heavy spiral of some kind or review worksheets to help cement the concepts. Best of luck to you, mama!

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! I’m amazed at just how many math recommendations I’m getting that I’ve never heard of before. Yours is another new one!

@prairiesovereignty1753

13 күн бұрын

@elonas9487 how did you guys end up liking math on the level?

@elonas9487

12 күн бұрын

@@prairiesovereignty1753 It was great for us and helped my daughter gain confidence. I really liked the online custom worksheet creator and the spreadsheet for tracking her skills and how often to review things. For pre-algebra, we opted to switch to Dennison, mainly because she was ready for more independence and less teaching from me. Dennison has been phenomenal, and we will use it for the rest of high school. But Math on the Level was really great for zeroing in on areas she needed to work on in the couple of years before that.

I used it for 2 years for my daughter. She loved the Pre-algebra in 8th and Algebra 1 in 9th. She literally could not do the Algebra 1 by herself. All 142 lessons are drastically different. There is a new lesson everyday and since most of the questions are NOT from that lesson, they got almost no time to practice that exact skill. I wish the first 10 questions were about the lessons and the extra 10 were about other lessons. She did not get enough practice with each lesson before the formula or rules changed.

This is really helpful info. Thank you for sharing the printing tip as well! (…not me headed to give my kids some assessments😅) I have 2 kids that have had trouble retaining… my 12 year old daughter and 11 year old son who also happens to have dyslexia so every subject comes with challenges because of that. Just thought I’d mention I’m suspecting he has dyscalculia as well in case some watching aren’t aware of this possibility, as I wasn’t. It’s like dyslexia but for math/numbers.😛

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

Yea, those learning challenges throw a wrench in things. My daughter has ADHD but nothing else, thank goodness. The ADHD is enough for me to handle. 😂 I feel for you as you navigate what works for you!

I can so relate to this with Miss 7, disappears into a corner with the iPad. Diagnosed ADHD, ASD, suspect dysgraphia, she needs constant novelty. Thank God I’m only homeschooling the one. TGATB is working for us. I modify to make things as multi sensory as possible. In one term she’s gone from ten minutes of focus to over an hour.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

You are not alone. My daughter has ADHD also it’s a very, real challenge. So encouraged that TGTB works for so many!!

We were in the same boat last year. Like almost exactly! So, we started the year with the first half of the book 1 called, "Learn Math Fast" because my then almost 12 y.o. daughter didn't have basic math facts understood or memorized. I do think you're on to something with the pencil to the paper thought. Once she had the addition facts memorized (although she still struggles with them), we started TGTB math 4 for all the reasons you've mentioned. She doesn't want to work with me 1 on 1, but sometimes we have to and I have been more intentional about being very calm and reminding her that when we get to hard parts, it's hard for a little while and that's okay. She's learning So am I. My daughter loves the color and engagement and even enjoys the mental math book and putting the map puzzle pieces on the grid. However, she will sometimes skip the video instruction bc she "doesn't like the intro part". 😳 Pride is an issue for us all and it's hard for a 12y.o. to admit they need help. This is a reminder to pray for our kids. So, we are planning to continue because we haven't finished level 4 yet and we all needed a break. We tried CTC math, but didn't like it. I appreciate the comment about Math Antics. That site has been helpful and I need to use it more! We are also planning to use Xtra Math on the tablet sometimes for drill practice.

@sandragordon6219

2 жыл бұрын

I loved learn math fast! Helped anoit

@sandragordon6219

2 жыл бұрын

We also use Khan Academy with TT. Will not be using TT this year

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

Amen!! Pride is an issue in our home also. 😉 but thank the Lord, as homeschoolers, we get to address it frequently and our guidance will hopefully bear good fruit in due time. 😉

My kiddo is finishing up good and beautiful kinder math and it's perfect for starting first grade. We started halfway thru the year last year and have had a great time with it. Hopefully the higher grade levels are as hands on. He loves those math boxes

I love your humor!! 😄 thanks for this. I’ve been curious about tgatb math! Your making me want a new printer too 😆

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

I LOVE THIS PRINTER!!! I wish I would’ve bought it sooner! I never thinking about printing costs now (where every other printer I was worried about “should I print in color or black and white?” ❤️❤️❤️

@nikithede8062

2 жыл бұрын

Does it matter which ecotank you get?

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

That I don't cant say for sure, but I assume they're all good. the differences are probably the paper capacity and maybe the color quality that it prints at. for example, the color on a cheaper one may print duller and a more expensive one, more vivd. The paper capacity of my printer isn't the largest. i can probably get 100-150 pages in the tray. So if I'm printing a large job (like an entire math book :)) I just have to monitor the paper. Its not that big of a deal bc how often am i printer more than 100 pages? Also, (bc i think I have a cheaper model), there's no option to feed paper and leave. For example, If I need to copy 5 pages front and back, there's not feed for me set the pages and let it pull them to copy. I actually have another printer in my basement (an HP) that I use as my copy machine for that reason. the Hp ink subscription service gives you 15 page/month for free, so we try not to use that printer often at all. because otherwise its about .06/sheet. This was my old printer before I convinced my husband I need the Epson bc of all the printing i was doing. Before, I was always too worried about printing. and HP would even charge me for a full page even it only had 1 sentence on it. so if the print messed up.....i'd still get charged for a sheet no matter what was on it. I would also often take my print job to Office depot, if it was only black and white, bc it was cheaper for me to have them print it (with my teacher discount). So the cost of errands and gas :). The epson is way cheaper than having to run to office depot! LOL!

We had the exact same issue with teaching textbooks. My son was doing level 4 and finished the course with 100%. I then did the unit test for TGATB THREE and he failed. Couldn’t do it, so we spent all summer doing TGATB 3 and are starting 4 this week. I did all those things. Teaching textbooks is just lacking.

I have found the same! I did teaching textbooks with my children for one year. I felt like it wasn't quite getting it all, because sometimes it seemed when the curriculum circled back to the same subject, they would not remember how to do it. The following year we decided to switch to Lifepacs by Alpha Omega which I feel is just your average homeschool math curriculum- not super hard, not super easy. My 8th grader requested he be allowed to do level 7 again, because he is not feel confident that he had learned much in the year we did teaching textbook! The other 2 continued with the next level, and struggled a bit, but we made it! 😊 I would never do teaching textbook again! 😢

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

I’m glad you were able to find something. I wonder if TT doesn’t spiral enough? Somebody else suggested that maybe the issue is a spiral approach Vs mastery approach for some kids. Could be

I’ve never tried teaching textbooks but we are starting with TGTB math and love it so far. I’m really impressed with the spiral and my son enjoys it.

I wish you the best with this new program. If this doesn't work out, I wonder if you should try online tutoring with Dyslexia Connect. You can find a math tutor who specializes in students struggling with math. I know such a suggestion is an extra expense, but it might be worth it for her foundation in math. Nice job catching this while she was still in junior high! This looks like a great channel! Thanks for producing these videos!

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!

At the beginning of summer, after taking school prealgebra last year, my rising 9th grade niece placed into algebra 2 teaching textbooks, Saxon 7/6, and Russian School of Math (in person tutoring but similar to beast academy) grade 5ish. She said the teaching textbooks felt very easy for some reason but she couldn’t understand why…. My brother had her do the Russian school of math tutoring over summer while also taking Shoreman math Algebra 1 online (since that’s what class she’ll be doing at her new private school this year). He had her also do the TT free trials, but we all thought it was wild how little actual mastery or understanding that TT required to do well in it.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

That’s too bad. Those are definitely the stories I’ve also heard. We love Shormann math. My high schooler uses it!

Glad I’m not the only one dealing with this… so I decided to try Supercharged Science’s new math program with my 11 yr old! I think her q&a session about it is on her KZread or Facebook page. It’s aimed for 4-6th graders and will be mastery… like 7 weeks on decimals. But will be science/life based. She is offering a money back guarantee through October. So I’m going to give it a month. If it doesn’t work, I’m probably going to try TGTB with him... it’s frustrating! Thanks for your video!

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting! You’ll have to let me know how it goes! I’ve never heard of that! Good luck!

I have used Saxon for years ever since my oldest took her first standardized test in 3rd grade and pretty much failed it. Two years of Saxon raised her score from around the 3rd percentile to the 99th. My oldest 4 kids used Saxon through graduation, but I really struggled with accountability on my end. I just didn't have time to teach and correct all those lessons and tests for so many kids. Last year, I made the change to TT and really enjoyed the emails and knowing who did their math and who didn't. It was such a blessing for me time-wise, but I question how much they're learning. Standardized test scores for the two who had to take them were fine, but I'm not sure how it'll be for the long haul with TT.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Saxon definitely has a good reputation for getting results (if your child can handle all the repetition)

We did Grade 3 TT and found the same thing about the retention issues. We switched to TGATB and have found that my girls are retaining the information so much better. I've had to go and reteach them a lot of info that they should've learned in TT but didn't retain. We are about half way through level 4 TGATB and we have been very happy with it and we really enjoy the videos

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing that!

I also was shocked by a placement test I had my kids do through ACE after having done teaching textbooks for a year and a half. We have since switched and they are thriving through ACE and they enjoy the more hands on approach I have with this curriculum.

My son was in TT5 and I had him take a Saxon placement test and he placed into 7/6, so I feel like it’s doing a great job. Also, doing it on an iPad using the app allows you to turn on guided access and that means all they can do is math…nothing else. That’s how we use it here. My son (10) has now transitioned to Beast Academy, and will be doing pre-algebra (still undecided on the program we’ll use) next year. I feel like TT did an excellent job preparing him! Prior to starting TT4 we used ABeka (K-3) and that gave them a great foundation.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, many have mentioned the guided access. That's a great idea! That's great that he placed that level into Saxon!

Can u please keep us posted with this? I have had two weeks of tears and frustration with my daughter too. To the point that I’m considering putting her in school. I used Singapore with my son and with her it’s boring everything has to be entertaining or else she checks out. She is only in 3rd grade! I felt ur pain thank u for posting this.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Keep you updated on how TGTB math works?? I’m so sorry. I hope your year gets better!!

@lory2loca

Жыл бұрын

@@OurHOMEschoolPlan yes I would like to know how your daughter does with the new curriculum you picked out for her. It reminded me a lot of my daughter.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

@@lory2loca I will give an update for sure. I usually do a mid-year update around January! Also-I didn’t mention in my video, but daughter is diagnosed with ADHD. Your “tears” story reminded me of when I first began to suspect she had a learning challenge bc we had tears when it’s came to spelling and Language arts. Just having it confirmed that she has ADHD was helpful bc then I started learning more about how to help her. It was freeing. So that’s where the “fun” aspect comes in. In order for her to focus, there has to be an element of fun involved. And there also needs to be time boxing with frequent move around breaks, etc. something to consider. My heart goes out to you! ❤️

When my kid was in Kindergarten I tried worksheets from Target dollar spot (haha) and elephant math. It was an app that was to help with math facts. She didn't retain them. There is a growing amount of research about retention and electronics showing it's not a great learning tool for memory. I switched in 1st grade to Rightstart math. It is very teacher intensive. The lessons can drag on so we sometimes take 3 days to do one lesson. I might try some placement tests to see where she is at. Good idea.

We are currently doing TGTB level 4 and my son loves the videos with the instructor and the extra 'history lesson' that's included.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Oh cool!! I didn’t know history was snuck in also. They know how to hit multiple areas in their curriculums!!

2 of my kiddos are doing great with TT. I’m doing the newer Apologia course with my youngest, which is fantastic. The obsession with any subject “being on track/ahead/behind” is so silly, the goal is to learn well and love learning! I just heard about a study where math was not formally taught until 6th grade, and that group of students far surpassed their traditionally taught peers who started formal math drill in kindergarten. Like writing, some brains aren’t ready at age 5, and that’s okay! Anyhow, for my kids they on TT they are doing math well, learning math well, confident and happy. I prefer the slower slope TT uses, it builds an excellent foundation, which is so so important in math. It helps that as TT students they are honest and stay on task, and write out their work with the Apple Pencil on the iPad. Their work is saved to each problem, so I will often scroll through their lessons to see how they are doing beyond the score. I will often sit next to my student and if they get a problem wrong then I get to try it, sometimes we both get it wrong and we laugh and learn more! Retention is not a problem, and I love how TT works in a spiral that reinforces previous skills really well. TT also makes word problems fun and engaging. Lots of giggling happens. I so appreciate your transparency with how it was a struggle - we need this kind of honest testimony - just wanted to say that at least for us it is a fabulous tool for learning and enjoying math.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome! I’m glad it works for some!!that’s wonderful and I’m not surprised!! I didn’t want to come across as being too down on TT, but like I said, my first reason for looking at other things was simply my daughters temptation for on the computer (I suspect she may have also been pulling up the computer’s calculator). And the reason I chose TT was the hope that she could be more independent with it. So if I have to be more involved, I’d rather do a different program. I think it’s wonderful that we have so many math curriculum options so that we can find what works for our individual children. My youngest does Singapore. And my oldest does Shormann math for high school. And there is no perfect curriculum that works all the time and for EVERY child. 😉 Also-I totally agree with you about being on grade level. That wasn’t my concern. My daughter is going into 7th grade and only halfway through TT6. My concern that she didn’t seem to retain anything new from 4th grade….things that I knew she had learned back then. She was very good at math until 4th grade, she hit a wall and began to struggle ….and that’s when we switched to TT (5th grade).

Thank you for being honest. I was scared at 1st to be a homeschool mom. But I'm learning and we love the TGAB K/1st grade level math

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Homeschooling is scary at first bc it’s the fear of the unknown! But once you start you realize, God made you to teach you kids!! You are the perfect match! 😉

Yes, Saxon is black and white. It is also clear and concise. The pages are not full of colorful distractions. It is very simple. And the clencher.....Saxon reviews earlier concepts with a few questions on each lesson from previous chapters so that you never have a child who "can't remember what you taught them earlier." Just isn't possible. Nothing gets rusty.

I was honestly regretting that I signed my boys up for TT next year and i was thinking of switch them over to TGATB. But, I need them to be in at least TGATB 4 or I won’t have time to work with them on math. I was thinking I’ll do the same thing… do the assessments and just do the portions that we need to do. I am so happy with TGATB math that my daughter started mid year. She has learned SO much… currently a finishing 6th grader finishing the Math 4.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

How long did it take your daughter to complete a lesson?

Thanks for posting. I've been looking into TT and CTC math (online, mastery approach).

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Very welcome! Not sure how old your child is, but I highly recommend Shormann math for higher level math. It's also online and also grades and keeps the scores for you. He does Saxon also, but you still have to grade it. But then once you get to Pre-Algebra, Dr. Shormann has his own math.

@bettycinelli5875

Жыл бұрын

@@OurHOMEschoolPlan Thank you. My girls are in lower elementary. We're doing TGTB and it's going well. If I wasn't doing TGTB, I'd probably try out Math U See because I'm too leery of the online programs. Although they seem so convenient for the parent, my concern is getting to the point where I don't know what my child is truly understanding in math. Your post and subsequent comments were helpful in this area. Best wishes to you and your family.

We use CTC math and I love it. I can print out worksheets based on the lessons so my kids get paper work done as well. I go into the Question Bank Wizard, choose the grade level and lesson or lessons I want the worksheets on, and then I choose how difficult I want it and the amount of questions. The program creates the PDF for me to print. I have found this works best for us because pencil to paper math is so important. We did the free trial of TT first and we did not like it. It seemed way too easy and missing a lot. There’s also many moms online who claim that TT has not prepared their children for the ACT and SAT.

We had a similar issue with my boys. I was completely surprised they tested so low after leaving Saxon & Teaching Textbooks. They placed 2 grades below where they should be (Diagnostic test with ACE Math)

We are struggling with my daughter remembering how to do some concepts we know she’s learned previously too. My current theory is she needs more of a spiral style and most have been more mastery. If TGTB had grade 7 or 8 we’d try those. It definitely introduces concepts early!

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

TT is supposed to be spiral. 😞 Somebody else in my comments said that TGTB is coming out with math 7 and 8. Not sure when, but it’s coming.

Definitely not a curriculum issue. My mom used Saxon with us because it was the gold standard. My brother did good. I made it through by the skin of my teeth and never retained anything. Using TT with my kids (who have always homeschooled and going into 6th & 8th) and I’m finally in the frame of mind to learn it. Wow! I can actually multiply fractions and understand it! My older kid understands math easily and my younger, not so much….she’s like me. And that’s ok. ♥️ We are just hoping to master basic math and math in real life and the rest we call “brain exercise.” Btw. I work with teenagers. Many of them don’t retain much of anything they aren’t interested in. Haha.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

Lol!! 😂 teenagers- truth to that!

One of the reasons I give my child a standardized test every year is to make sure my curriculum is working as it should. It’s an objective way to ensure they are understanding grade level concepts no matter what curriculum you’re using. It also helps me to know what areas she may be weaker in so I can supplement the following school year as needed.

@pilarlobo8446

Жыл бұрын

Where can I find standardized test? It looks like a good resource.

I completely agree. We do use teaching textbooks as a review to supplement TGTB math. It's working well for us, but neither curriculum is enough for my daughter. She is 10 starting 5th grade. TT we are on level 6 and TGTB level 5.

As someone who was home schooled I started in remedial math in college and am now an engineer, I really don't think you should beat yourself up too much one way or the other. Motivation and the timing of when things click are VASTLY different for everyone. There are many curricula that work well, but curricula is simply not a predictor of individual success. I was taught using Saxon and it didn't click in HS, my kids use tt and it's working well for two, so-so for the third. Be patient (speaking to myself here) and keep working with your kids and they will achieve what they are capable of. Above all don't let them think they are stupid despite their struggles, that's more than half the battle.

My oldest had the same problem with TT. No retention from the online program. He did better with the book, but we ended up switching programs completely. My daughter is doing great with TT print version, but I will probably end up switching all my kids to the new program. Have you heard of math tutor DVD? They are great.

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

Never heard of it!! Thanks for the suggestion!

We switched to the good and the beautiful last year. My kids have learned sooooo much! We love it.

My 8 yr old has really struggled with math. We also just switched her to tgatb math because she wasn't retaining what she was learning in master books. I also had to start her way lower then I expected. Like you said math isn't something you can move on from without them knowing. So I would rather start lower and go from there .

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. It doesn’t help to move them to complex math just because. And the reality is….what math do we REALLY need to be functioning adults. I have a technical business degree and can honestly say I’ve never used any math past Algebra 1! (Maybe some geometry….😉) so they’ve got plenty of time to learn what they really need to, if they don’t plan to be engineers or architects that is. 😜

That was brutally vulnerable, thank you for teaching US!

@OurHOMEschoolPlan

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome! 😉