This feels like a clear sign that this brand is full steam ahead on putting profit before ethics and community. They are a business and they are letting everyone know. It's sad but not surprising.

@kathrynbbeauty

Жыл бұрын

It's oh so common as far as businesses go, but I honestly had thought that the indie makeup community had gone against the grain and put ethics over profit. Terra Moons just broke the façade. 😭

Thanks for making this video! The whole situation keeps feeling ickier to me. TM chalking this up to bandwagon gossip is such a stab in the back, and them only interacting with comments of praise shows they don’t care about the constructive criticism from their community. Looks like TM really chose the opportunity to get some new customers over those who have been supporting them for years.

@nataleen2623

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly what I commented on their post. It’s a shame because one of the people (Jenn from Dreaming in Multichromes) who spoke out about this and reached out to Terra Moons owns practically their entire inventory that she purchased herself.

@kathrynbbeauty

11 ай бұрын

I know!! I thought you had such a good comment on their post but of course, it was crickets in response to you. *face palm*

Currently, I am so disappointed in Terra Moons over this and will no longer support the brand. As a disabled person who had to spend all pandemic worrying over my health and hearing people in my family and friend groups, as well as companies, celebrities, and governments justify the deaths of disabled people, worrying about my local hospitals putting up panels and restrictions on who deserve to be saved or not... The pandemic also left me scarred and scared. I have run out of patience with brands who are willing to turn a blind eye to or even support medical misinformation, let alone pretty blatantly obvious racism. It'll take a really solid, proper apology for me to ever go back to them - same with JD Glow - but you're right. It's really fucking upsetting that people are NOT having the same energy with TM as they did when the JD Glow anti-choice stuff came out. It feels racist and ableist to me 👀

@kathrynbbeauty

11 ай бұрын

Yes, this whole situation is definitely a stain on our typically awesome community. I'm sorry you had to go through all of that!

I have been following indie community for 6+ years, own 70% of what TM sells on their site and was so disappointed when they said they are collabing with this person because I had never heard of her and was like "who is that"! Also this person is all natural makeup, which is the opposite of what TM is. Does TM even sell neutral colors? Issue in this case is that I imagine it is very expensive and damaging to TM to walk away from the collab at this stage of development.

@kathrynbbeauty

Жыл бұрын

I also had no idea who Krystal was! It definitely seems like their aesthetics don't match well, but I agree that it's probably hard to walk away at this point.

i had never heard of this krystal clear makeup but i dont like brands response to defend and justify other peoples opinions because of business strategy. Lets not forget kvd got pushed out because of her views why is this different ? People died because of covid, people lost loved ones because of covid, the world today is admittedly different because of covid, we all went through a terrifying experience during covid why is one persons bad experience more imporant than any others? to me this is a bad decision on TMs part to dismiss their customers feedback as gossip.

@daniellezadora7637

11 ай бұрын

Well said!!❤

@kathrynbbeauty

11 ай бұрын

I agree that it seems like it was a very similar stance to what KVD took back in the day (although she also had a variety of other problematic behavior in addition to that which resulted in her being cancelled). My main issue is that they tried to say there was no evidence rather than saying there was insufficient evidence for them.

I’m honestly glad I didn’t end up buying anything from TM even though I had spent time planning an order. They really showed their ass with this.

@kathrynbbeauty

Жыл бұрын

I will still love the shadows that I own and be able to enjoy them, but I wish I had known earlier so I could have put those investments towards a brand I better align with!

Gosh i so agree with you. I’ve been thinking a lot about how this compares to the jd glow situation. It feels like TM is trying to brush everything under the rug. It’s honestly disappointing with their response and they seem like they are just trying to cover their asses.Their response is not good. Like, that is an example that could have been used as a bad crisis comm response in my PR classes from college. I’ve personally had a negative experience with TM, but eventually decided to give a second chance because I just had to have The Cosmos haha. But how customers are treated is a big factor to me when deciding to buy from brands and I don’t think I’ll ever go back to TM after their response and how they’ve responded to Jen and others who have spoken up

@kathrynbbeauty

11 ай бұрын

I agree about it being textbook example of what not to do! It seems like they've decided to go with a bunch of legalese jargon and aren't treating their customers and individuals worthy of a transparent response!

It’d be one thing if she wasn’t an influencer, just another example of people being naive and stupid and falling for misinformation online and other alt right bs. But KCM does have a platform and TM as a brand is responsible for who they collaborate with. Influencers aren’t private people with what they interact with, and it’s odd to treat it like it’s going through your coworker’s socials. It’s almost funny to me; I assume most of TM’s already existing customers had no idea who KCM was until all this and now they’re watching the brand grasp for excuses and shift blame on the people who brought it up in the first place, instead of owning up and saying they didn’t look more into KCM because they just saw a bigger creator use their products occasionally.

@kathrynbbeauty

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree. And the other factor is that it'd be one thing if KCM was willing to get educated and grow, but she seems steadfast in sticking with the anti-vax stuff, which is quite a choice. Part of why the collab felt so weird is because KCM has no previous history with indie makeup outside of getting Terra Moons PR and it feels weird to go so far outside of what your customer base to find someone to work with.

@chiyoh

Жыл бұрын

@@kathrynbbeauty Nearly 20 dollar singles is such a niche as it is, so I can’t see how collaborating with someone outside the indie community who has a large audience would bring in an extraordinary amount of new customers, or at least an amount that would be worth trading in their loyal ones for. Before screenshots of TM liking apathetic at best, anti-vax at worst comments came out I was willing to wait and see how they handled it, but on the off chance they do take the massive loss and break contract I won’t feel comfortable supporting them again. Even saying that they couldn’t afford to break the contract would’ve been better instead of being so eager to swerve criticism.

I'm proud to be the one who intro'd you to the "CYA response" :) Wonderful video AS ALWAYS Kathryn! You are enormously thoughtful, considerate and eloquent in discussing the situation and I appreciate it so much!

@kathrynbbeauty

11 ай бұрын

Haha I didn't know if you wanted me to disclose our convo! You taught me my new favorite acronym though!

Im in the health care field and were STILL dealing with the backlash of the pandemic..terribly understaffed and ive been doing 72 to 80 hour work weeks for the last 3 yrs! Send help!!😂 ty for making this vid tho girl keep up the good work!❤

@kathrynbbeauty

11 ай бұрын

Oh man well thank you for the work that you do!! I could never, but I appreciate everyone who does!

I'm not surprised TM dismissed the concerns and criticisms. I think the brand owner may agree with those views and/or she doesn't care how those views might be harmful to disabled/marginalized people. Oftentimes people in those groups will argue that it's just opinions and ideas, but there are real world actions behind those ideas and those actions usually involve violence targeting vulnerable groups of people. I remember when antivaxxers in LA protested in front of hospitals and harassed cancer patients. Tried to prevent people from obtaining the first vaccine that was released for the earlier COVID variants. One vaccine causing an adverse reaction doesn't mean vaccines don't work for most people or that different versions of vaccines that are less likely to cause a reaction don't exist. Unfortunately it is very common for white supremacist groups to view themselves as genetically superior such that they don't need certain medical inventions to be healthy. And they view disabled people as inferior because they need medicines and accomodations to function and participate in society. And so these groups sometimes promote eugenics to weed out "weaker" people. That's why there is often this correlation between antivaxxer and white supremacist groups. But obviously this isn't isolated to those groups because ableism is a widespread system of oppression. And it underlines a lot of discrimination people experience on the basis of race, gender and sexuality. But thanks for bringing this issue to my attention. I often would see TM ignore people on Instagram and it bothered me. I know I didn't have issues buying products but they would outright ignore people who expressed issues with their orders.

@kathrynbbeauty

Жыл бұрын

Yes there is quite a history of eugenics being a means of controlling groups who were considered "other". I actually used to teach a course on intelligence at the college level and we covered a story about a woman who was sterilized by force as a part of eugenics and now cannot have children. It's a dark part of history that people often don't address.

@PrometheanFlame

Жыл бұрын

@@kathrynbbeauty Wow, so you're intimately aware of this issue. Wish I had attended your class, cause those kinds of topics interest me. It's messed up. I don't see how anyone could engage with people who promote eugenics. It's not defensible in any way. I don't know how this brand could step over so many worthy creators and influencers like seekingshifts for this kind of partnership. I don't plan to support them anymore.

This is an incredibly well done video, you were so clear and eloquent. Thank you for making this, I had no idea

I think if the indie creators who showcase TM, we all know who they are, all took a stand, TM’s response would have been different. We know they wont take a stand for fear of loosing subscribers. My response to this mess is “Bye Felicia”

@kathrynbbeauty

11 ай бұрын

I definitely think it's a complicated issue when folks rely on that money from working with brands, but it would have been great to see everyone unite on this. Like I said though, I don't judge anyone for making their own choice. I just may be making a different choice.

Love that you did this video. Greatly appreciate it. I like being a conscious consumer but I’m so oblivious to what’s going on. I thought it was strange everyone dropped JD glow instantly but are hesitant to do the same with Terra moons. It’s like two brands could do the same thing and people will only choose to stop supporting one for whatever reason. So strange to me. But it is what it is.

@kathrynbbeauty

11 ай бұрын

I feel like one comment on this video did a good job of explaining how JD Glow and Terra Moons differ, but I agree that it is a bad look overall.

I think you explained it very clearly from my POV of someone who didn't know what was going on, thank you!

@kathrynbbeauty

11 ай бұрын

You're welcome!

Thank you for doing this video. As one of the people I look to for indie single shadow info, and not someone who looks for drama, I see you as a person whose opinion matters! I'll be honest, this info does influence me. Maybe I wouldn't have gotten the collection anyway, but now I really have no interest in even looking at it.

@kathrynbbeauty

Жыл бұрын

Well I'm glad you enjoy my content! Whether you get the collection or not is completely up to you, but I'm glad you found my rationale helpful in making your consumer choices!

Thank you for making this and including TM’s response to you reaching out. It’s so disappointing to see how they downplay very serious allegations and even subtly accuse you of stirring up drama. You’re a customer, why would they treat a customer like that! So yeah, I’m done with TM. But there are so many wonderful indie eyeshadow brands, I think I’ll do just fine

@kathrynbbeauty

Жыл бұрын

I'm hoping that Clionadh's customer base skyrockets as a result. They have similarly beautiful eyeshadows and they walk the walk of supporting marginalized groups with the support that they get from their customers and that rocks!

First time I am hearing about this situation and to say I am disappointed in TM is an understatement. The fact they have'nt disavowed the anti vax stance makes me really weary of who they are. Until more comes out, I will steer clear from them as much as it pains me. Also, they should have done a thorough research to know who they were getting "in bed" with prior to a collab. At best, they were irresponsible, at worst, they dont care and/or share the same values which is disturbing to me.

How sad. TM has great products. Oh well. They can keep ‘em.

@kathrynbbeauty

Жыл бұрын

I would recommend checking out Clionadh or Copacetic for multichromes instead! Also Looxi has a TON of shades that are direct dupes of the Terra Moons duochromes!

I’m at 16 min in and I’m bawling like a baby. Just your words are so close to home and exactly my words ❤️

@kathrynbbeauty

Жыл бұрын

Oh man, that means a lot because this video is meant for you! I admire the courage you showed in being the first to publicly raise concern about this collaboration.

Thank you for making this video! Just thought I should let you know: this video did not show up in my subscriptions tab and I don't think that has ever happened to me before. I wonder if it is suppressed by the algorithm? Anyway, TM was one of my top favourite brands and this is deeply deeply disappointing. Their response (and now seeing their response to you) was unprofessional, dismissive, and unfair to anyone who raised concerns. I cannot even type about the issues calmly or politely, so I will just say: I am *not* supporting this collab and I do not know if I will ever support the brand again. This brings me no joy to say at all, and I mean no malice towards TM or the creator.

@kathrynbbeauty

11 ай бұрын

Oh man! I'm bummed it wasn't in your feed but I'm glad you were able to find it anyways!

I think TM is very different from JDGlow because they didn't interact with anything themselves, their collaborator did. Also, JDGlow has like 5 popular shades and that's it, TM has lots of popular shades and was sending PR to lots of people for a long time so of course they're gonna be way more forgiving of TM than JDGlow. Also, JDGlow's controversy happened soon after RoeVWade, the pandemic is not as relevant right now. Those are my observations anyways. I do know people of color are held to an even higher standard than white people but I think this would've happened even if JDGlow was owned by a white woman, imo anyways

@kathrynbbeauty

11 ай бұрын

I think that you bring up some good points! I can see why some people wouldn't see the two as synonymous, but I'm trying to treat both with the same perspective!

So glad to see ppl discussing this. Terra Moons lost me as a long time customer over this messy situation, not a good look at all for them

@kathrynbbeauty

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it looks bad to disregard the concerns of your customer base and instead imply that the backlash is out of spite instead of genuine concern.

Thank you for making this video. I just heard a rumor and havent looked into the topic jet. This is so important and so sad, that TM adressed this so badly. I am really disapointed. The thing is, will TM see in their sales that the community lifts them up and are upset or is krystals following enough to give great sales.

@kathrynbbeauty

11 ай бұрын

I hope that there isn't enough support to replace all of the loyal customers who are walking away, but we will see I suppose!

Thank you for talking about this. Honestly, I'm so glad that most of the people with influence in the indie community are being vastly more reasonable and measured in their criticism than faceless Reddit/adjacent gossip. Unfortunately, though, I don't expect any brand to walk back and apologize for their damage at this point. Reductive takes will always win on the internet, and if that's all you see, you'll think there's no point in apologizing. @vgkmakeup was talking about the JD Glow double standard in her stories. I wasn't into makeup at the time and would not have been aware of this without her. I think it's very telling that people are directing their aggression toward Laura, TM's Latina owner, rather than toward the white influencer she is collaborating with. This isn't to say TM is at all blameless here, but there needs to be a *lot* more criticism of KCM's beliefs and platform.

@kathrynbbeauty

11 ай бұрын

I totally agree that the Reddit takes tend to skew a little bit more reductive, it probably has to do with the anonymity of the platform. But I also agree that KCM deserves her fair share of the criticism.

I don't know if it's fact but apparently the brand themselves are also anti-vax

Thanks for making this video. This whole thing is such a disappointment. I recently made a big order from TM but I'm not going to support them anymore. It would be one thing if they didnt know. But to be made aware and then shift blame onto the people who brought it up is just unacceptable. Making it seem like Jen and luran.pans etc are liars or petty. JD Glow and Kat von D were canceled so quickly. NO ONE talks about JD glow anymore. But i think the difference is more creators get pr from TM and really enjoy the products so they dont want to come out and say anything. Which it does suck, they make amazing shadows. And JD glow rarely releases anything new/doesnt do much pr afaik so it was easy to boycott them. Like yeah its just eyeshadow but that makes it easy for me to not buy. Because i wont put money into the pockets of white supremacists or anti vaxxers.

@maureenl1448

Жыл бұрын

Also why couldnt they have collabed with someone like Riley or Milly from badtothebrow? Huge in the indie makeup world and have an eye for multichromes. They both feature TM all the time on their channels and dont have any problematic views. Ofc they saw dollar signs with KCMs 1.4 million followers but how many of those will buy an $18 eyeshadow single on the regular?

@kathrynbbeauty

Жыл бұрын

I agree!! I feel like we're kind of getting an amalgamation of beauty's greatest scandals with this story. I was telling a friend that an element of this story is giving me 2016 when beauty influencers refused to say anything bad about Morphe because of the PR and affiliate codes they have. Terra Moons could have saved themselves a lot of grief if they chose to collaborate with someone who they knew well and who is well known and trusted within the community. I know that Riley has expressed that she doesn't want to do another collab right now because there are so many other creators who haven't been afforded the opportunity yet, but I feel like Milly, Noopur, or a variety of other people would have been a perfect fit!

I never bought from TM. So I might be more detached than people who have supported them for years. I have a hard time believing that TM didn't do their due diligence and thouroughly vetted their collaborator, especially since they were following them for 3 years. So imo either they didn't think this collaboration through, or they had some inkling of who they were getting in bed with....and still went ahead with it, because she has a big platform. There's no way to know for sure, and TM's response has been that they are completely backing up Kcm, at the risk of alienating their customer base... which is nuts. TM is where they are now because of their loyal customer base and followers. Even if the prospect of doing a juicy collab with a big influencer that could help the brand grow and maybe become more mainstream, you can't simply ignore the overwhelming negative response you got from people who have supported you for years. Talk about shitting on your customer base. That to me it gives the impression that they are solely in it for the money, when they claim to be inclusive and care about their customers. And they dare to claim to be that in their stories when they are just doing the opposite. So I will stay as far away from them, if a brand is lacking in morals either by collaborating with someone who is anti mask/ anti vax and seemingly racist, or when a brand tries to deceive their customers by selling eyeshadows that will go off in 6 months. I also cut ties with the Pastel Roses because it's not ok to sell eyeshadows that will rust or grow mold. Your morals are more important that sparkly eyeshadows. But to each their own.

@kathrynbbeauty

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree. I'm taking a huge step back from Pastel Roses after seeing Indigosogidni's story on Instagram and I'm keeping a close eye on the shadows that I ordered recently. It's always a bummer to see companies put money over ethics, but not unusual unfortunately.

@chromaticromance

Жыл бұрын

@@kathrynbbeauty I'm so tired of brands trying to deceive their customers. When I posted about the pan issue in my stories, I had no idea what we would unearth. Thankfully Cecily was able to point out the issue, due to her extensive knowledge about cosmetic chemistry. I was so dumbfounded, of course it was the glycerin that made the pans rust. I can't believe I didn't see it earlier.

Also as you said Jens concerns were very valid and how she feels why not give the same to the creator there’s a reason she was anti vax should she have shared it on social media prob not but if your going to be understanding one persons perspective than it’s not all to fair to not consider the other person’s perspective

@kathrynbbeauty

Жыл бұрын

I tried to also empathize with KCM's perspective in my video, but I also think it's important to note that her medical providers still recommended vaccinating her child (as per her comment underneath her post about the controversy) and that if a medical professional is recommending vaccines, that means it probably is a good choice. At some point, it can become hard to rationalize someone's perspective when it becomes clear that they have been advised against it. Even with that though, it's still hers and her family's decision just as it is mine to not financially support this product.

I really hope they decide to apologize for essentially gaslighting everyone and apologize for the collab. so many people in the indie community (used to) adore this brand and this is really serious. it's not "just makeup" at this point (I'm pretty sure I'm using the term gaslighting correctly... i mean they are saying things never happened that very much happened and turning the situation around so the people who rightfully were upset are feeling guilty for speaking out rather than addressing the original concern)

@kathrynbbeauty

11 ай бұрын

I definitely think you're using that term in the correct way!

Absolutely disgraceful behavior trying to gaslight us all

Let me bring in another perspective, liking posts is okay as long as you don't sprout it off to anyone. Obviously this is a controversial issue, but liking a political post to my is okay. Who knows what they liked about it. Is she making statements about it? Is she shoving it down peoples throats? I haven't seen that

@TracyD2

Жыл бұрын

I agree. It all gets exhausting.

@makeupthoughts777

Жыл бұрын

This this right here, I don't have the time to go look through things that people liked and disliked on the internet, this all seems rather exhausting and the person that even started all this is not new to starting shit with other people and brands which gives me , "well if I can't have it no one can" vibes honestly.

@bellou72

Жыл бұрын

It is my understanding that she did have posts and stories on her page of that nature, but recently deleted basically all of them. She also simultaneously unfollowed numerous controversial pages.

@beautifuldreamer0811

Жыл бұрын

I don't get what the big deal is and I think that this social movement of cancelling people who don't agree with the mainstream narrative is really odd. If it were opposing religious beliefs, people would tip toe around that and at least pretend to be respectful. But sociopolitical beliefs are fair game to tear people down for? Make it make sense 😅

@bellou72

Жыл бұрын

@@beautifuldreamer0811The pinned comment on Jenn's video may provide you with more context from a Canadian's perspective. kzread.info/dash/bejne/epyHzqmxoZXQoc4.html

I just want to point out that just because the people that organized the convoy were shitty people doesnt make them all that way... There were people of all races there yeah some were bad some werent theres always gonna be some bad mixed into the good when it comes to big grpups of people like that. I think blacklisting someone because they liked posts that go against your beliefs is ridiculous to me. Also who the heck has that kind of time to search through someone's followers and look for the posts theyve liked and commented on?? People need to find something better to do with their time honestly.... The person that even started all this has a history with starting shit with people which in tern brought hate to her page and then she deleted her page and came back later on with a new page and still does it.. Which it honestly gives me "well if I cant have it no one can" vibes honestly

@Dreaming_in_multichrome

Жыл бұрын

Hi, I am said person, and you really don’t know much about me at all. But let me please clarify for you. I left IG once, years ago. However, never since. My IG has been up and open since 2017. I’m not afraid to use my voice. Just as you are free to use yours in regards to me. However, just as it was pointed out on IG, you’re a SAS Stan and ummmm, I could care less about your opinion. But maybe someone else will. Take care

@Dreaming_in_multichrome

Жыл бұрын

Also; what do you mean “if I can’t have it no one can”? 😂 I mean anyone can have anything they want. What does one thing have to do with the other? I definitely think it’s okay to talk about problematic behavior and people can make their own choices. Just as you have, and just as you feel my actions are problematic, you certainly have the right to talk about them.

@makeupthoughts777

Жыл бұрын

@Dreaming_in_multichrome lol I don't buy S.A.S nor will I ever perhaps you should look into the people you call S.A.S stans ... When I was going to buy them I looked into the brand and there was a whole reddit thread and in that thread they talked about and had proof that you have tried to start things with other creators and brands in the past... This whole thing seems really off to me honestly... Screenshots of someone liking posts isn't proof that someone is this or that all that's proof of is that they liked a post that has questionable views. However the hate from all sides that I've seen various peoples posts in the comments is very uncalled for seems it's either one extreme or the other .... If you go back far enough everything we buy is rooted in some dark stuff , why do people only look into things when it comes to makeup? Seems very weird to me tbh

@makeupthoughts777

Жыл бұрын

@Dreaming_in_multichrome it comes off that way tbh, if that's not the case then good on you... The only things I've seen are screenshots of her liking posts ( I wouldn't consider that problematic behavior tbh)

@Dreaming_in_multichrome

Жыл бұрын

@@makeupthoughts777 some things we absolutely agree on…. The hate from any side is gross. Everyone in this situation deserves some grace to decide what’s best for them. I have always said that and I will continue to say that. Also, at some point in time everyone has made mistakes and corporations/people can be rooted in darkness but what matters is who they are today and the choices they make. You absolutely have the right to think anything you want of me. I won’t try to change your mind, nor do I think I would. But its also okay to talk about how we feel about a brand or person living in the public eye. Which absolutely means you’re entitled to your opinion about me. Again, take care.

I hate how people jump on the bandwagon of drama and hate..there is no evidence that this girl is racist or anything like that just because she may have liked posts that other people may not agree of the opinions of is ridiculous I think whoever had the time on their hands to go to these pages and search for posts this girl likes is ridiculous too..I can not stand how nowadays if you don’t share the exact opinion with other people then your racist ect nevermind we can’t talk as adults and either agree or agree to disagree..and I think everyone should do some research on the freedom convoy..these truckers were being denied their pay! They have families to take care of! I hate when politics are bought into makeup..and as for Jen I believe she has too much time on her hands and she loves to create drama..she has done this numerous times..I hate that our little community is being divided because of this..just because solmeone shares different views than your own doesn’t mean they should be cancelled..also pastelroseuk I’ve had shadows since 2021 and all mine are fine..people are missing the big picture here..our country was made for the people..we have seperate branches of government so not one person or party can make all decisions/rule over people…dems split out country in half..growing up I was poor shit I still am I when I was growing up I had friends of all different skin colors and none of my friends had much to say about being oppressed except for the fact that as we were all poor we didn’t get the opportunities and privilege that kinds with more money were able to get..it makes me sad that people are not seeing this..if we could stand together we can make changes but divided we won’t stand a chance..sorry I tend to ramble hope I was able to get my point across..

@kathrynbbeauty

Жыл бұрын

Hello, I never said in my video that KCM is racist and I mentioned that the brand chose to latch on to the most extreme examples in their statement. I believe it is unfair to dismiss all of the criticism launched at Terra Moons and KCM because of the most extreme claims. Some of what I said in a comment under vanessa269's comment addresses some of what you spoke about, so I'd urge you to check that statement out. Though the convoy may have been started in earnest, there is no denying that it became malicious. I believe your point about the government ruling over people may be connected to the vaccine mandate, and I want to ensure that it is clear that no country ever had a mandate that FORCED people to get the vaccine. The mandates always leave open the option to opt-out for people who genuinely need to. But there also were a lot of people who weren't getting the vaccine that could and mandates give motivators beyond "doing the right thing" that helped countries reach mass immunity faster. I believe that you make an important point in regard to the privilege associated with socioeconomic status. In my experience, SES and race are closely interlinked and the oppressions that are used on one are often used on another. If you are in that situation, it can often be hard to express the oppression you are experiencing if it is the only circumstance you've known, but that doesn't mean that it isn't happening. Let's keep in mind, MLK Jr. at the time of his death was advocating for workers rights because he saw that the issues were closely connected. On a separate note, I don't appreciate you coming at Jenn's character. The information that Jenn found was not hard to find and the reason she did so is because KCM was accused of scrubbing the most vehement of things from her page, Jenn proved that though that might have been true, there were plenty of other things that should raise concern.

@makeupthoughts777

Жыл бұрын

​@kathrynbbeauty but it was forced in Canada, people weren't allowed to go to the hospital if they didn't get the covid vax, they couldn't go visit their family in nursing homes, certain stores wouldn't let them in.. They also threatened to take people's kids away... Weren't suppose to cross provinces either but yet they were letting un covid vaxxed Americans in no problem..... That is why alot of people stood with the truckers they were tired of being forced into it also if you were in the medical feild they told them if they didn't take the covid vaxx they'd lose their jobs and that's exactly what happened.... I think people forget Canada isn't the states it wasn't all televised what all the provinces were up to either ..... Editing to add that at one point the emergency act was also invoked which everyone else was against but Trudeau did it anyway which essentially gave him the right to wave anyone's right away if he wanted to .....

Unfortunately video this comes across as very controlling and immature. The woman liked social media posts you don't agree with. She wasn't actively promoting disinformation. It's great that you have strong values but you can't force other people to think the same as you. Just because someone doesn't have the same values as you doesn't mean they are a bad person. As a liberal who works with mostly conservative people, I've had to learn this. I read what Krystal said about the situation and she comes from at it from a very different view point as a mother whose son had an extreme reaction to a vaccine. She has every right to have concerns after what she experienced with her son. Nothing in Terra Moons response came across as brushing it off. They said they investigated the situation and found no proof. I for one don't agree with burning someone at the stake because they liked a social media post I don't agree with. Just an FYI, I'm liberal politically, pro vax and mask and never head of this Krystal person until this "controversy". Plus what if they did find she was anti-vax but Terra Moons had signed contracts for the collab? You think it's OK to destroy a small business for a mistake that could be potentially financially very damaging? Can we give people grace to make mistakes and wait to see how they handle future collabs? I love your content and think you seem like a great person, so please read this as constructive criticism instead of an attack because that is not my intent.

@kathrynbbeauty

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Hey there, I'm sorry you didn't like the video! I tried to make it clear that I was making a personal decision to not financially support a makeup collection based on the collaborator actively following anti-vax and pro-Freedom Convoy rhetoric, which is the most extreme version of the discourse surrounding COVID-19 and was built on bad faith. This is a personal choice that I am sharing for the sake of transparency with folks who look to me for reviews on single shadow indie brands. I tried my best to lay out the facts objectively at the beginning of the video before explaining my views and why I am choosing not to support the collaboration, but at the very beginning of the video I made a disclaimer that I'm in no way trying to insinuate that people have to do what I am doing because of my personal beliefs. As a lifelong Midwesterner, I am used to being the minority in my ideological beliefs and have often worked with a variety of folks who believe differently than I do. However, I think in this instance it is important to delineate between professionalism in not letting someone's personal beliefs affect how I work with them versus my ability as a private citizen to decide what I do/do not support and to share my opinion. In no way am I saying that Krystal does not have a right to her opinion (though that opinion is not based in scientific fact) or that Terra Moons does not have a right to collaborate with her, I am just saying that I am exercising my right in not supporting that collection. Honestly, I wouldn't be upset with Terra Moons if they had handled the allegations differently. There is photographic evidence that shows Krystal following some problematic voices and liking their rhetoric. If Terra Moons decided that was insufficient evidence, that is one thing. But implying that there is NO evidence is false. It just is not strong enough evidence to persuade them and it seems like it's not strong enough for you. In my opinion, Krystal's experience as a mother does not give permission to follow folks who use the guise of the vaccine to spread more hateful and dangerous ideas that go well beyond COVID. Again, in my video I did give Terra Moons the space to say that they've learned from the situation and that I would consider purchasing from them if they do. I've said this before, but I will not hold back criticisms of a brand no matter how large or small. I am an advocate for the consumer and in this circumstance, knowing that Krystal seems to have a soft spot for anti-vax ideas is important in deciding whether or not to financially support her work as a consumer because it means that you could be giving money to someone who will then give it to other organizations that you may not want your money going towards. (This is the same reason why some folks choose not to shop at places like Hobby Lobby or eat at Chick-Fil-A.) I would rather give my money to a brand that will then use the proceeds for causes that aligns more with my values if I have the choice. If that leads to Terra Moons downfall, that onus is not on me but rather on their own business choices.

@KagomeYasha023

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I didn’t feel she was trying to force her viewpoint on others she is just sharing her viewpoint obviously two different things

Not sure why this video was in my feed but why is it ok in recent years to burn people at the proverbial stake for having different beliefs than you?

@makeupthoughts777

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I wonder this too, it's like people think its gotta be 1 extreme or the other when in reality it doesn't need to be that way at all.

@kathrynbbeauty

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You know, I tried my hardest to state that these were my personal beliefs that I'm sharing to ensure transparency with those who look to me for reviews on single shadows and why I would rather financially support endeavors that align with my views. I understand that there are shades of grey and that some consumers may not agree with me and that's totally fine. I don't think that choosing not to purchase a release because of the creator's beliefs is equivalent to burning innocent women at the stake who were accused of witchcraft, but that's just me.