Yes, I know there's a typo and it should say "Yes, so am I"

@fionnmcglacken35

6 жыл бұрын

Patrick (H) Willems Does Christ Stuckmann count as a film critic? I would have thought so.

@thezenlu

6 жыл бұрын

Patrick (H) Willems CinimaSins shouldnt be watched as film review, but what about as a way to pass the time between your videos?

@no_thank_you_

6 жыл бұрын

Patrick (H) Willems You know I only know about one KZread that meets basically all of the criteria you specified - Brows Held High. But he doesn't really review anything too recent

@Site_42

6 жыл бұрын

I don’t know; I thought “Yes, so I am” sounded fancy. :-P

@gearsolidsnake8668

6 жыл бұрын

Why do you become racist throughout this? It would be a good video without it?

"A lot of people just want to hear people articulate what they already think" yessss this! THI- wait a minute

@User-xw6kd

4 жыл бұрын

Irony. XD

@eetuhalonen9902

2 жыл бұрын

It´s sad how offended some people get when a critic doesn´t like everything they like. Like every time Ebert gets mentioned horror fans come out the woodwork and call him an idiot for not liking Friday the 13th. Gamers have a particularly strong hatred for Ebert because he said games are not art.

@Thagomizer

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much every atheist channel on youtube.

@wet-read

11 ай бұрын

​​@@eetuhalonen9902 Indeed. I am a huge fan of Ebert and I too was angry and hurt he could say that about video games. But then I read what he had to say, and it makes sense. At the heart of it is the simple fact that video games are interactive and movies are not. I would say that video games definitely have artistic elements to them, but they aren't art in the same way a film or a painting or a sculpture is.

@AbrasiousProductions

Ай бұрын

@@eetuhalonen9902 Ebert was a talentless hack but I do agree Friday the 13th was overrated, obscenely generic and lacked characterization, still a fun movie to veg out to though, I'd probably rate it a 6/10 or 7/10, not sure.

I can't remember who said it, but it's a sentiment which has always stuck with me: "A good critic is someone whose opinion you like hearing, _even when you don't agree with it_ " In other words, quality criticism is the stuff which makes you think deeply about the experience of responding to works of art, rather than just regurgitating your own opinion back at you in order to validate it. Critics should help you think about things in new ways and highlight things within a work you wouldn't have otherwise noticed.

@blokey8

4 жыл бұрын

Mark Kermode sums that up (and occasionally expresses it) very nicely for me.

The list of film critics he recommends: Roger Ebert Matt Zoller Seitz Matt Singer Amy Nicholson Jen Yamato David SIms Drew McWeeny (

@Jesus_Zendejas

3 жыл бұрын

RIP Ebert

@antona.8659

3 жыл бұрын

There's no Kermode, so that's a no from me. Also, McWeeny and SlashFilmCast? Yikes.

@directorforplastic7929

3 жыл бұрын

David Ehrlich kinda sucks sometimes

@robertpetrie3605

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! This list should have been in the video description

@Nathanatos22

2 ай бұрын

I just realized that even with such a long list, he omitted A.O. Scott. Not sure if that’s an oversight or a grudge, haha

I loved how he called out CinemaSins. Hilarious 😂

@gameplayxtreme3389

4 жыл бұрын

They used to be clever and talk about really unnoticable continuity issues. Now they only complain and sound like they really hate the movie they're watching.

@khrinalekill-thebloodspira2531

4 жыл бұрын

@@porgherder6109 they literally never changed

@xant8344

3 жыл бұрын

GamePlayXtreme + Disney no they didn’t. You just started to notice how bad they are.

@namelastnamefirst4520

11 ай бұрын

Hating on CinemaSins cliche. +1 Sins: 1 Sentence: CinemaSins based

@charlesburns7391

8 ай бұрын

Cinema sins makes me want to fucking kill myself

It should probably not be surprising that surveying people who follow a KZread video essayist skew towards watching KZread rather than traditional film reviews.

@switchingtime

6 жыл бұрын

Robert Baillargeon He's not talking about video essayists, he explicitly said that. He's talking about film critics on KZread, people who stare at a camera and ramble about movies they saw without any sort of insight or depth (something most video essays actually provide, although much less frequently and while focusing on a certain artist, genre, tool, etc).

@bagandtag4391

6 жыл бұрын

He's talking about this channel. People who follow someone that makes video essays will tend to get their reviews from youtube too. So making a poll for your audience is probably not a good idea unless you're only going to use it for your audience.

@laurenbennett7674

6 жыл бұрын

Right, the sample is not true to the population.

@tyrantsmisery

5 жыл бұрын

I mean traditional film reviews are TERRIBLE so why would I waste my time with them?

@souleater4242564kodd

5 жыл бұрын

And who is this magical Arbiter of "Traditional Film Reviewers", I mean Patrick talks about how plot holes don't matter and here he cites Roger Ebert who always talked about plot holes being immersion breaking in his reviews, that Patrick idolizes. He's a walking talking contradiction. People on KZread are just as valid in their reviews as anyone else. Just because you write for a paper, or publish articles or went to film school, doesn't mean my valid points of a film with my criticism are somehow invalidated.

Around the 8-9 minute mark you hit on a really good piece of advice without quite saying it outright - possibly without even realizing it yourself: One should seek out reviews that are worth reading and/or watching even AFTER you've watched the movie.

@objectivelyawesome

6 жыл бұрын

YES! Actually thats the only time I read reviews. I started doing that with Ebert when I was in high school. Its like having an internal dialog with the critic instead of just digesting someone elses opinion.

@thefancrafter7488

6 жыл бұрын

Except for many, the movies they want to see exceed the time/money they have and so reviews can act as a filter for the ones really worth it. Source: I’m one of those people.

@jjsmith706

6 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. I do that a lot. Whether I liked the movie or not, I'll read reviews afterward to help myself think about it a different way, then watch the movie again with that new perspective. It's a good exercise.

@AbjectPermanence

6 жыл бұрын

I only look at reviews after I've seen it. I don't want my first impression of the film to be influenced by external expectations.

@TheKarishi

6 жыл бұрын

(Re: The Fancrafter): Sure! But the kinds of reviews that are worth reading and/or watching even after you've seen the film are likely (I'd argue likeliER) to give you solid insight into whether you should go see it. So it's still the superior type of review/reviewer to hunt down. There's a little separation of the circles on that Venn diagram if you're in the "spoilers often/always ruin the experience of a film" camp (I'm not), since it can be hard to talk about why a shot works without describing a scene or scenario, but a lot of critics take the time to write their reviews spoiler-free or "significant spoiler free" (i.e., "Spoilers: In the third act of this romcom, the protagonist is sad. Here's how the staging and editing cleverly sets up both the protag's sadness AND the hilarious fallout that makes the joke of the scene.")

I enjoy reading "legitimate" film critics work (Mick LaSalle, Manolha Dargis, Anthony Lane) because they usually give a historical perspective to modern films. But I also like watching KZreadr reviews because they are usually closer to the everyday person and more relateable. They're film lovers in their own right even if they didn't earn a degree in film criticism.

If critics don't influence the views a movie gets, then why do you let critics influence the movies you go to see Patrick?

@sanitorz232

Жыл бұрын

I don't know what Patrick would say because I am not him but I think there's a big gap between him and the average moviegoer. Patrick is a filmmaker that knows the nuts and bolts of film theory, history, and (like most of us in this comment section, I assume you too since you're on this channel) dedicated his life to watching movies. Most people don't go in that deep so the relationship we have with cinema is different than people who consume it on a passive level. The majority of people don't read, they're not going to watch a certain movie because the critic they liked said it was good. As Patrick said, the bad reviews on Suicide Squad did jack shit because that movie was a massive hit, even though that movie is a huge turd.

@MysteriousStranger50

Жыл бұрын

Dude just admit this guy is a hypocrite and you failed to see that. Simp.

Mark Kermode is an excellent film critic, arguably the best over here in the UK, and his reviews are also available on KZread, as they take the review segment of his radio show with Simon Mayo, and upload them separately.

@tomboz777

6 жыл бұрын

Kermode was my started/salad of getting into FC. :)

@Vidiot-Savant

6 жыл бұрын

Kermode is one of my go to critics. I don't always agree with him, but I understand where his perspective is coming from given his love of cult horror, and obscure genre films.

@7677890

6 жыл бұрын

And hello to Jason Isaacs

@kevinmorice2

6 жыл бұрын

I said Kermode when the original question was asked and I stand by him.

@hoganholo99

6 жыл бұрын

Off topic, that Simon Mayo is actually the best co-host ever.

"don't tell me this film was gorgeously shot, tell me why it was shot that way and what purpose it serves" THANK YOU! This is one of my major problems with youtube reviewers, they don't have a clue about what's the real point of the cinematography so they just throw that line out there because they don't have anything else to say.

@beckobert

6 жыл бұрын

you mean stuff like "Style over substance" What does this even mean? Shouldn't substance be brought to the viewer by the style of the movie? Aren't most of the best directors of all time known for their style of movie/moviemaking? For me, that phrase is just something thrown around by people who don't know much about movies, but want to critisize a movie, they didn't like, but had a very distinctive style.

@carlswanson808

6 жыл бұрын

But a lot of journalistic reviews include throwaway lines like that, too. I think many KZread reviewers are imitating the language and tropes of journalistic criticism, which often doesn't justify or support those kinds of claims. I notice this especially when reading reviews of works from a big name director like P.T. Anderson or the Coens.

@acnbk

6 жыл бұрын

Hubert Beck Hubert Beck I think style over substance can be a valid criticism depending on the context, but I agree that the vast majority of people who use it fits that description.

@acnbk

6 жыл бұрын

Carl Swanson they are lazy journalists then, I mentioned youtube reviewers because almost every single one of them only talks about plot and characters/performances and brushes off aspects like cinematography, sound design or even the whole meaning of what they are reviewing

@carlswanson808

6 жыл бұрын

And I don't disagree, exactly....sometimes a journalistic critic has to edit for space and because, for instance, describing the Coens' use of wide angle lenses in shot/reverse shot set-ups (like Tony Zhou discusses in Every Frame a Painting) 1) doesn't translate well to a written or radio review, 2) requires a little more background in film aesthetics from the reader, and 3) digresses from the general purpose of the review. My point was that the categorical distinction between professional journalistic critics and KZread reviewers is more complex than Willems presents it, since the latter often imitates the former and, unwittingly or not, also imitates some of the limits and/or shortcomings of some journalistic criticism.

"And also, CinemaSins is terrible, is absolute garbage"

This guy is the VSauce for movies. He's just missing the creepy music.

@1fareast14

6 жыл бұрын

Not really, he's more focused, consistent, improves over time, and doesn't click-bait.

@lostliberty9913

6 жыл бұрын

The Action Brick nope Vsauce is actually a respectable guy.

@karolisdervinis4236

6 жыл бұрын

What? no vsauce is good not like this

@knamedisme

6 жыл бұрын

OH no, by far, he is not.

@kostajovanovic3711

6 жыл бұрын

How much hate for patric under you comment

Roger Ebert was great!!! I loved him -- I am 57 and some KZread film reviewers are okay, most are just such obsessive fan boys, they are annoying to watch. BTW, Patrick, I really like your videos.

Lindsay Ellis tho shes fucking awesome and up there as one of the best film essayists.

@CoffeeCakeNation

6 жыл бұрын

The Flying Lion she is amazing, everyone should watch her

@CoffeeCakeNation

6 жыл бұрын

The Flying Lion also im glad to watch this brand new video and see someone is already praising lindsay for me, thats what i came to the comments to do

@mitchellhorton9382

6 жыл бұрын

Lindsay tweeting this vid is how I got here!

@anibunnynunni

6 жыл бұрын

Her and Brows Held High! Love 'em!

@jed52

6 жыл бұрын

She's one of few feminists I actually take seriously and enjoy their content.

"It's literary criticism about visual media." THIS IS WHAT MADE ME START MY CHANNEL. I am sick and tired of hearing only plot details from guys who want movies to play out exactly how they expect. I love this video. I have so much to learn and so much more room to grow. Thank you, thank you and thank you once again for expanding my opinions on what film criticism should be. I have to step back and take a deeper look at what I do so I can grow and inspire others to challenge their thoughts of films from their peers.

I was always puzzled why people on KZread use the word "review" in their reaction videos.

I mean, I don't think that we should use race, gender, or sexual orientation as a basis for whether someone's opinion matters or not, but that's just me.

RLM is actually surprisingly in depth with some of their Half in the Bag reviews

@eetuhalonen9902

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, they understand the technical aspects of movie making very well.

That sudden tack-on of Cinema Sins!!! I've watched a few of them and they're just absolute hate-filled screeds.

This video perfectly articulated what I'd always vaguely sensed in the Chris Stuckmann/Jeremy Jahns/Schmoesknow community.

@jimmyboyle3543

3 жыл бұрын

Chris Stuckmann has a really broad knowledge of film history and filmmakers. Fair enough on the other two; but I seriously object to him being included alongside them. Sorry he was born a straight white man and can’t change that lol. He’s still an educated and qualified film critic.

@__M7MD

2 жыл бұрын

Their reviews are usually non spoilers so that’s why it’s not so deep I wouldn’t say it makes them less of critics or anything

@xpindy

2 жыл бұрын

@@__M7MD No, having toys in the background makes it hard for an adult to take them seriously.

@__M7MD

2 жыл бұрын

@@xpindy It makes it hard for YOU to take them seriously speak for yourself I focus on what they’re saying I don’t care about the background

Mark Kermode and Alonso Duralde are my favourite critics.

@janettewong9900

6 жыл бұрын

I followed Alonso to What The Flick and I generally enjoy everyone there.

Many of the KZread film “critics” are what I call bro critics. It’s more like a friend telling you about a film. Kinda sucks they are replacing traditional film critics.

@CyfilmsProductions

6 жыл бұрын

Otha Bojangles (JEREMY JAHNS)

@BubblegumCrash332

6 жыл бұрын

HauntedM exactly

@mitchellhorton9382

6 жыл бұрын

To be fair, people that like those never would have enjoyed traditional critcism. Which is still easy to find on KZread.

@jacobmorales323

6 жыл бұрын

There’s more than enough traditional film critics out there, I think the “bro critic” is kinda what drew people in, in the first place

@burntvirtue

6 жыл бұрын

Well it's real easy. Chris Stuckmann and Jeremy Jahns are not film critics. They are fans with cameras, and KZread accounts. Taking them as anything more is just plain silly.

Thanks for taking the last minute shot at Cinemasins. The content is shallow and unsatisfying, even more so when the inevitable "satire" defense is trotted out.

I think the tendency, especially for younger film enthusiasts, to seek out opinions similar to their own is more about validation than lack of effort or thought. It’s about establishing an understanding that a person does in fact know what they’re saying has merit because others see what they see. I think you’ve hit a point at which you are confident that you have an acceptable base of film knowledge and now want to challenge yourself and grow as an expert in the field. I love this idea and your video, (and also I agree about Cinema Sins... so that validated me) I just wondered what you thought about how some viewers may take this as license to check their understanding of film as a medium before they can establish their own identity as a critic or artist.

Anecdote time! I started following TheNeedleDrop, a channel that reviews music. I often disagree with the scores given out, That said, the reviews are some of the deepest dives into music I've ever heard, as a result I've picked up a lot of new albums, and thought more critically of bands I've been listening to for years. So yeah :) I like the message here

This is my favorite video in regards to film criticism as of late. When I was thirteen or fourteen, I idolized Roger Ebert. I still do. I read almost every volume of "The Great Movies", which were a series of books that were a comprehensive litany of all his reviews. I would stay up late at night, read his reviews, and ponder about his thoughts on cinema. What I loved about Ebert is that he exerted just as much passion for the movies he loved as the movies he hated. No film received a free pass. Furthermore, his ratings might not always align with his overall consensus; Ebert really wanted you to pay attention to his writing. I wish more KZread video essayists, reviewers, and critics overall borrowed more from Ebert. In this day and age where opinions are commonly reduced to their simplest forms - you either love something or you hate it - Ebert's nuance is sorely missed. Fantastic video.

You made some interesting and useful points and I will try to incorporate them into my own movie reviews. I started a channel last year and I always try to draw attention to thematic elements and how I interpreted them to deepen my viewers’ understanding. You’re right ... simply stating whether a movie is good or bad is not enough. You have to say why and what it means. I also checkout reviews from critics that I don’t usually agree with. Really helps seeing things from a different perspective.

A review for me is “will I have fun watching this movie?” If yes great if no who cares I’ll watch another movie. There’s millions of movies just waiting for me to watch

But what about Mr. Plinkett and his pizza rolls😢

@servietsky67

6 жыл бұрын

Is Patrick (H) Willems replacing Rich Evans ?

@thefancrafter7488

6 жыл бұрын

The Joker joke aside, he really did pave the way for many talents

@rocksteel9238

6 жыл бұрын

I also think he may done a lot of damage as well since his review while expertly made don't get me wrong is paved the way for film criticism which pretty much regurgitates your own opinion at you.

@windowguylol

6 жыл бұрын

Rock Steel It's like poetry, it rhymes.

@RealCaptainAwesome

6 жыл бұрын

where are my pizza rolls! I sent my stuff to the web zone!

The greatest gift you could have given any of us was to encourage us to read Roger Ebert.

I paused this video with all your recs on the screen and have now followed each of those critics on Twitter :) Thank you for this.

I must say, thank you Patrick for your recent shift to all types of different content. Your videos inspire me to create more .

Cinema Sins can be funny to watch from time to time, but I agree that it should not be taken as serious criticism on any level.

@SofaPop.

Жыл бұрын

Even then, I haven’t laughed at any of their videos since I was like 12

Roger Ebert will always be my first port of call for anything released during his career,just love the guy's writing...

@wet-read

11 ай бұрын

Yes! There is a twofold pleasure to his reviews. I revisit them for his opinions and insights on the one hand, and for the excellent writing on the other 😊

In respect to the issues you present, there's also the concern with "gatekeeping". Basically, you present the assumption that critics "know more" than the moviegoer, which I agree with in very certain contexts, but that doesn't entirely mean they "know better". I feel you inadvertently (I don't want to assume) present criticism as hierarchical, which it's not. In fact, if we were going on a hierarchy of "who knows better", professionals (folks who actually work in the industry and have a wide range of first-hand experience) are the only folks I tend to view as having a "better understanding" when it comes to specific technicalities because they're fine-tuned to notice details others are not. I mostly regard this to animation because that's my professional field, but that still doesn't mean I'm more entitled to my perspective than a YT reviewer. It's objectively a different skill set because that's where I'm trained and work in. When I lecture on film criticism, my core thesis on criticism "in an academic context" is simply: Present a point, explain it and then contextualise it with an example analysis. There is no wrong way of doing criticism - if you've read dozens and dozens of different academic critics (not journalistic critics like you present), you'll realise the only difference between them and YT reviews is the extension of research and analysis, something which doesn't cater to the broad demographic on YT. I personally don't watch Stuckmann and such because like you explained I find a lot of them rather eh, shallow, but I'm sure if they went out of their way, they could easily replicate what's being done. The real issue that we should be debating is if "reviews" and "criticism" are two entirely different entities because that seems to be where the divide exists between "academia" "journalism" and "laypeople". I admit my own personal fear is that people who read and analyse more feel tricked into thinking that makes them superior. It doesn't. Criticism, fundamentally and philosphically, will always be a form inherent to free-thought.

@mikefrollo

6 жыл бұрын

There's gatekeeping, and then there's just knowing what you're talking about. I don't think anyone is suggesting you need to have your Master's degree in Film Studies, seen the major American canon, and every Kurosawa movie to be a film critic. If anyone is suggesting that, they're wrong. But also, none of that would hurt. It's great that aspiring film critics can just get a camera and throw something up on KZread, rather than having to somehow break into print journalism. The more different voices there are in the arena, the better. But being an amateur is not really an acceptable defense for not honing your craft. If you want to write about film, or talk about it in a meaningful way, you need to be watching films and reading about them, as much as you can. If you don't want to watch as many movies as you can, of various genres and years and countries, then why do you want to be a critic? No one person can see every movie. There's plenty of probably-great movies that I haven't seen, and won't get around to for a long time, if ever. But there's no excuse for not trying to see as many films as possible. There's so many movies just sitting on the Internet for you to watch. If they're not on Netflix, get Filmstruck. If they're not there, rent them on Amazon. If the movie you want to watch isn't on any of those things, fucking steal it. There's a gazillion free movies on the Internet (just don't tell anybody where you found 'em). Watch movies, read critics. That's how you become a critic. No gatekeeping. The field is wide open, if you're willing to play the game.

@Susanoo7108

6 жыл бұрын

Like you said, there are YT film critics that can give deeper analysis if they put their mind to it. For example, Stuckmann's reviews appear a little shallow, but if you'll see his understanding and knowledge of film in his few '*Film name* explained* videos. In his 'Driver: explained' video, he explains why certain camera angles are used and what they represent in the context of the film. Secondly, I don't always get the impression that most critics (at least the ones that I watch) think they're better than everyone else. Don't get me wrong, some do come across as that (Ralph Sepe etc.), and I'm sure I'll find them soon enough. However, I think that most people nowadays can't sit down and watch an hour-long in-depth analysis of a film unless they're really passionate about film. People like Stuckmann are good for introducing people to film without the feeling of being overwhelmed by jargon etc.

@josetato

6 жыл бұрын

Branelo Yeah, you just sound like someone thats very insecure about their own intelligence

@josetato

6 жыл бұрын

Andy's Mad House agreed. Applies to most of the arts too.

@larrydavison8298

5 жыл бұрын

We're talking about advice on watching a movie, not brain surgery. What I want is a reliable estimate of "Will I enjoy this movie". So I care if the "critic"'s tastes parallel my own. Professional movie critics are all residents of large cities, so that's not likely to happen. Which is why I check CinemaScore.

I personally love cinema wins as a movie critic. I have learned a ton about movies by watching their reviews, the appreciation of various aspects and the deeper dive on movies. Not sure if they fall under the category of the movie critic, but I do appreciate the positivity it spreads.

Thanks so much for showing me that Star Wars article! It articulated for me a lot of feelings I have about Star Wars but was afraid to express.

I miss the golden age of Siskel and Ebert, those two together were always a great combination, even when I totally disagreed with them.

I’m a film critic and I really want to thank you. I’ve found myself in every single words of yours. We struggle everyday to watch Movies and analyse them under a social, historical and technical point of view. Our aim is not just suggesting or not a movie, but to educate our readers in an easiest way possibile. So yeah. Thank you.

Thank you for uploading today it made my day a lot better

I love your videos Patrick, but this argument was pretty reductive in my opinion. I also read written reviews myself, and I understand where you're coming from in terms of KZread reviews lacking depth. However, you're completely neglecting the difference between criticisms and reviews. A critic analyzes a work and expounds upon it, whereas a reviewer gives a recommendation - watch or don't. I watch Jeremy Jahns and Chris Stuckmann's reviews before seeing a movie to get an idea of if I'll enjoy it, then dig into written ones once I've seen it (one thing you neglected to mention is written critics are much more cavalier about spoiling things). That way I go in with a good idea of what I'm getting, and afterwards have some deeper written material to dig in to. They serve different purposes, which I don't feel you bothered addressing that well.

@beckobert

6 жыл бұрын

that's an really important difference. I think that many would consider what Patrick wants from a moviecritic spoilers for the movie. And reviewers work really hard to avoid those.

@YTwoKay

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Different sources for different needs and most movie fans don't even care about criticism. I like Wisecrack podcast for that. More literrary and video essays for specific film dissection.

@Arctic022

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you. This method seems to be the best working for me. Written reviews are much more thorough and, as a result, much more spoiler heavy than a 4-minute KZread reviewer saying if they liked the film or not.

@Darknightsayni

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I couldn't figure out why I was having such a mixed reaction to this video. I absolutely love Stuckmann (I don't think of him as a god, I mostly just like seeing what he has to say). I've watched his reviews for awhile, so I know his trends. If he says a Superhero film is an A+, it's probably an A- in my book, and he goes easier on most comedies than I would. Since I know that I think it gives me a good compass about myself. By and large, if Stuckmann loved it, I will most likely find some enjoyment from it. Here's an example: I know that Tomb Raider won't change film. I know that Tomb Raider is not going to present dramatic societal messages. I'm probably still going to watch it at the cheap theater though, and not read criticism of it because I just want to have a good time and Stuckmann seemed to like it, and he and I think similarly on action films. Maybe this is me dumbing down the reviewing industry, but if I do that because I don't want to take the time to stroke my intellectualism, then it's something I'll live with.

@Alex-ki1yr

6 жыл бұрын

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Loved this video, Patrick. Amazing work.

This was a great vid! My whole life I’ve gotten flak from friends and family for reading reviews. They would say that I can’t think for myself and that I just take the word of critics on whether or not I should like a film. And my whole life I would respond to this criticism with the fact that I didn’t base my opinions off of critical reviews, but I would use them to gain further insight by listening to what professionals with more understanding and knowledge of the medium and combining those insights with what I already felt about the film in order to have a more complete picture of the picture. If it’s not obvious by the size of this rant, this has bugged me for a LONG time lol. It’s funny that these people would constantly tell me that I don’t think for myself because I read reviews, when in reality I thought a lot more about the film in question than the person accusing me of not thinking for myself ever would. And this came up almost always over them asking why I didn’t enjoy a garbage movie that every critic had panned, and I could never understand why they thought I was incapable of coming to the conclusion that an obviously garbage movie was garbage. I’ve noticed that ppl with awful taste really hate crocs and dislike anyone that even reads reviews. I think reviews make them feel dumb for liking things they like, and so they get offended and lash out. But you’re not dumb if you like a movie that has poor reviews, or one that is just objectively bad. I do think you’re dumb, however, if you shut out other viewpoints just because they are critical, and if the reason you like this bad movie is because you aren’t trying to really watch it you’re just letting it happen. I’ve always referred to this as “passive viewing”, which is when you just watch a film without thinking about it or engaging in any way shape or form. When viewed this way, nearly everything that isn’t personally offensive to you is a good movie. “Active viewing” requires you to engage with and think about a film, which requires work on the part of the viewer. I find that the vast majority of ppl are passive viewers, and these are the ppl that don’t understand or become offended by film criticism. This is something I absolutely hold against ppl, because it shows a closed mindedness that I just can’t abide. So when a relative or friend tells me I’m closed minded or too lazy to think for myself because I read reviews, it’s particularly galling because the reality is that I’m really thinking a lot about the movie in question and they haven’t bothered to think on any deeper level than, “was it offensive to me? No? Great film!” I believe Patrick would say these ppl are “watching movies wrong”, and I’m so glad to hear someone say that since I’ve had a lifetime of hearing ppl yell me you can’t watch a movie wrong, but you totally can and most ppl do. I’m so glad to hear someone try to clarify the point of film criticism, but the types of ppl that need to hear this are the types that wouldn’t listen. Unfortunately, it’s hard to fight closed mindedness because you have to open your mind to have your views swayed by even the most compelling of arguments. But at least you’re trying, so thanks for fighting the good fight l, Patrick!

**cough** Jeremy Jahns **cough**. I've come to hate the Joe schmoe **wink** supposed superiority that many people seem to endorse. They are almost universally shallow. The whole reason i'm into film now is BECAUSE of supposed "snooty" critics, and I thank them for it. I always hear as a wrong headed rebuttal "you just want Oscar film/not everything can be an Oscar film", not really understanding that most film buffs have broad tastes and don't really consider Oscars as a genuine measure of quality, more of a glorified bingo game. Edit:I really with you on the getting perspective after seeing a film, they can enhance or show a perspective that you didn't even consider yourself (for good or bad films)... oh, and Fuck Cinema Sins.

I disagreed with just about all of Roger Ebert's opinions, but still had respect for his film knowledge. Used to watch his show every Sunday.

I completely understand what you're saying, and you're kind of right. But I do think that these "KZread reviews" are good enough as they are to get an understanding on whether you may or may not like a film beforehand, and THEN go looking for the more in-depth and "traditional" reviews that are much more essay-focused and afterwards. Before seeing a film, I do enjoy watching a few of my favourite "KZreadrs" to get a basic understanding, and I think that's fine... Another great video, as always though! I love how well thought out you make these.

@vincentmuyo

5 жыл бұрын

I lean towards the fact that time is limited, and if a review isn't going to add anything to your movie experience, you can skip it and do something else. If you want to watch the reviews, you do you. I generally wait to see what the general opinion is among friends before deciding on watching new movies and shows, and so have little use for opinion pieces. Ideally, the time saved not watching reviews would be used for something productive, unlike what I do with it. ;)

Yes, I agree with you about how the second part gets overlooked. I don't have a formal education in film, but I do watch the messages and see how every element from music, motifs, symbolism, acting, costumes, makeup, acting, camera angles, shots, pacing, and location all can serve to tell the story in a meaningful and artistic way. As far as shallow reviews go, agree too. I do think Film Theory is a good one that goes deeper in a weird and interesting way that is anything but thoughtless.

I'm just rewatching this video after seeing it when you first uploaded it and it still rings true. I think your comments about black panther are especially interesting. I remember going to one of the sort of "bro reviewers" on youtube that I occasionally watched to see his perspective on the film and one of his criticisms is that the use of rap music was "dumb and distracting." and people in the comments agreed with him!! this is the danger of not making an effort to look at a film from a different perspective from you own.

Hmm... a bunch of straight white guys in their 20s-30s... I wonder if he’s includ- “I’m not talking about Bob Chipman.” Cool. :-P

@frankwolftown

6 жыл бұрын

Site-42: SCP Foundation Fanworks Why no love for Bob Chipman?

@Site_42

6 жыл бұрын

frank wolftown Oh, no worries man, I enjoy Bob a bunch. It just sounded like Bob could fit into his stereotype of “KZread Critics” (in a derogatory way) and I was glad when Bob was an exception.

@frankwolftown

6 жыл бұрын

I get ya. I love his KZread channel as well. Sometimes I see the occasional response video where have some aort of beef with him. I nevexr bothered to watch them since they seem like professional trolls.

@timy9197

6 жыл бұрын

Bobs definitely not in his 20's lol

@Site_42

6 жыл бұрын

Ti My 20s-30s tho: I don’t know if Bob is over 40, I assumed mid-30s.

Absolutely, positively right fucking on. I love that he’s reading the Cahiers du Cinema compilation of essays at the beginning (there are a few volumes). It’s required reading for anyone who really loves movies.

I have been binging your videos and each one gets better and better. Thank you

I would add Mark Kermode to the list of good critics , although the dude sometimes gets very political and misses the point of a few films , but he is very good most of the times

@lamecasuelas2

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, i don't always agree with hims but i like that he strikes a balance of being very knowledgeable and entincing at the same time. Also he hosts screening of rare films, new durector's curso and stuff like that.

Lol, I stopped watching cinema sins years ago...

@ixbreakxaway

3 жыл бұрын

Omg Taran 🤩

Yassss I needed this in my life. My two favorite film critics are Christy Lemire and Alonso Duralde, but after seeing this I really want to broaden my circle of critics, and I'll definitely check out some of the people you've suggested.

The analysis on RLM’s Re:View series has really changed the way I look at certain movies

@Zooropa_Station

3 жыл бұрын

And it completely debunks the surface level ("I only watched the Plinkett prequel series") opinion that RLM just hates everything.

@bk83082

2 жыл бұрын

You mean the 40 year old white man-children? I love RLM.

Although I enjoy watching Jeremy Jahns and Chris Stuckmann, I think of them as movie *reviewers*, not *critics*. It seems like there is some conflation of the two.

New video series: "Patrick Reads Lots Of Stuff On His iPhone Out Loud"

Patricks videos are so rewatchable!

You know, I was just thinking about film critics and film criticism before clicking on this video. Just what I needed. Great content.

Fav critics, Chris Stuckman, Bob, Ebert, Roeper, Siskel

I'm French and I feel like most of film critics on youtube in my country (famous or not) are more like what you want them to be. They also put things in perspective and I learnt a lot about cinema in general thanks to them. I'm glad we don't have that much people who are just telling if they liked the movie or not. (sorry for my english)

@koichidignitythief7429

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t worry, it’s still understandable.

I think you hit the nail on the head in regards to people seeking critics who echo their own thoughts. The written reviews are almost always better than vlog movie reviews.

Haha yes, love the jab at CinemaSins at the end there :)

Hey Patrick I just wanted to thank you for your videos, they are really entertaining and have their own identity. You sometimes even put a narrative on them. You are a great inspiration.

Say that Cinemasins is, in some way, film criticism is like saying HISHE is film criticism. They're not. They're just entertainment channels, they make comedy.

@GamerRicans

6 жыл бұрын

Except he didn't say CinemaSins is film criticism, he said it's bad for film criticism and it actively hurts film criticism

@Terriblysorry

6 жыл бұрын

He was talking about the people who watch it as criticism, not entertainment.

@maxcoseti

6 жыл бұрын

Except only one of those channels is actually entertaining

@vollmain13

6 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/d4B5o9WAn7OTZaw.html

@ellatino55

6 жыл бұрын

Directed by Charlie Bell Then perhaps he should of cleared that out. But to call them out like that was not cool. But even so, I dont believe one youtuber should call out another unless they are truly actively hurting other. People may misinterpret Cinemasin and other KZreadrs as critics but that's not the faults of the content makers. Content makers are doing what they love or enjoy doing.

Nice video, thanks for the critics suggestion :) I also like to watch movie critics on KZread that seem to know what they're talking about like "Just Write" or "Lessons from the screenplay" because I like to know what make me like a certain movie or what makes a movie that I didn't like a great movie, in all cases it gives me a better appreciation of the art piece.

Two notes: 1: LINDSEY ELLIS 2: Why is your milk just sitting out on your desk? What are you, some kind of savage?

@Ebrahim_17

5 жыл бұрын

... shes 30 though! and awesome.

@Jonmad17

4 жыл бұрын

Lindsey Ellis is an essayist like Patrick himself. She's not a film critic.

When it comes to movies, I find just watching it without reading or seeing anything (not even a synopsis) is always the most fun. Ignorance is usually bliss.

Why does Patrick seem to think that all white guys in their 20s and 30s have the same outlook on life and opinions?

@razriri1467

6 жыл бұрын

Read the comments on this video and you'll see he is right.

@danielrauch643

6 жыл бұрын

Right? Seems pretty racist & sexist if ya ask me. Could've gone without mentioning it entirely.

@theautisticguitarist7560

6 жыл бұрын

He doesn't. But, White guys in their 20s and 30s in the US typically have pretty similar life experiences and interests, especially given how many of the youtube reviewers are white guys in their 20s and 30s. What he meant was someone from a different demographic might be able to offer something new to your perspective.

@danielrauch643

6 жыл бұрын

To make a sweeping statement like that regarding demographics may be inductively supported, but to then attach a value judgement to this claim and say that a group of people at large should be REGARDED a certain way because of these statistics effectively renders everyone stereotypes. You should not approach someone's work out of recognition of their arbitrary features they had no control over. What SHOULD be esteemed is their comprehension of the medium & their ability to convey that. It would sound terribly obscene to say, for instance, most black people have pretty similar life experiences. "Life experiences" is vague, and disregards individual circumstance that makes a perspective unique and worthwhile. I take no issue engaging with someone's work if they vary in sex/race/etc. from me, as long as the worth of their work is evident regardless. It is condescending to assume this specific demographic has an issue with empathy to outside perspectives.

@NVRND_ARCHIVE

6 жыл бұрын

yeah i don't think he really represented his thoughts well with that comment

Hey could you add the list of reviewers you mention at the end to the description at all? Would make it a little bit more accessible for those of us who are interested in looking them up. Keep up the good work... thanks!

Well, I don't know if I got your point or not because an overwhelming thought in my head right now is: YES he vocalised everything I've always thought in the most perfect way possible, I agree with everything and feel validated and satisfied! lol But I must say, my problem with criticism is usually that operative word of your definition of it: should. I find so few reviews that are actually written with expertise, independent thought, erudition and attentiveness to all aspects of filmmaking. I'm very much encouraged by your long list of recommendations and I'm definately going to seek out those names!

It is almost eerie how many of these same arguments we've had in the comics world, almost word for word. Though I do stand by my argument that I think critics should try to make their own comic as a learning exercise. No, you don't NEED to be a professional comics creator to be a critic, but the best way to learn the difficulties and the decisions that a creator has to make with every line they apply to paper or their digital canvas is to try it for themselves. You don't need to show it to anyone. You don't even need to finish it. But the amount you'll learn from attempting the craft is huge. But, then, yes, still read all the instructional books, read the interviews with professionals, and watch the video critiques, too. It's a never ending process, isn't it? I think the world of movies criticism would benefit from that, too. Hey, even Ebert wrote a movie....

"I'm shocked that my followers who found me on KZread would tend to prefer critics on the same website"

this video is gold, thanks for making it!

So much of this is applicable to comics criticism too! I’m curious what would be some recommendations for actual “good comics critics” that look at form and story rather than Easter eggs or origin stories

Love the burn on Cinema Sins. Totally agree. I follow a channel called Cinema Wins which, while sometimes a bit simple, does delve deeper into how movies operate. Definitely worth a watch.

"Disney doesn't pay critics to give DC films bad reviews" No, but they did blacklist a publication (think it was LA Times) that criticised their practices in bullying the town Disneyland's built on.

@Little1Cave

4 жыл бұрын

Burkhart 4192 That sounds like a completely different can of worms.

@specialistbrief2787

4 жыл бұрын

And other publications refused to go watch screening and they were forced to remove the ban.

@Little1Cave

4 жыл бұрын

public domain film Where/when was that?

@specialistbrief2787

4 жыл бұрын

@Little1Cave money.cnn.com/2017/11/06/media/disney-la-times-boycott/index.html

Film critics helped teach me about how to read and question films growing up in my teens. Mark Kermode introduced to films I never would have seen as he referenced them talking about new releases. He made documentaries abotu Bladerunner, Alien and the Exorcist to name a few. He was making video essays about filmic language before doing that was a thing. He shaped how I see cinema and I will always be greatful for the stories and cinema he broadened my horizons to contain.

I really enjoy your videos, man. I thought you brought up a lot of points that I too have had regarding film criticism and the consequences (good and bad) of internet culture elevating everyone's opinions. I agree with about 95% of everything you said here, but I think the 5% issue is a large one and I'm gonna try and point out some troubles in it. You're a smart dude making videos that educate people on the arts, so to me you're doing the lord's work and I'm gonna try not to be too indulgent in criticizing your take on criticism. This also isn't an attack on you or anything like that, but I think there is a need to push back on the part you bring up mentioning that it's important to seek out views from people who look differently than you. Not only do I think this is the most shallow metric for finding great ideas, it also carries a bigotry that people of a certain identity have uniform opinions and a monopoly on certain ideas and insights. I don't care at all about the race or gender of the person expressing their take on art, nor would anyone who isn't racist or sexist. My favorite film critic is Elvis Mitchell, and I think he's probably the only person in his field who could probably make a great film if he chose (of course I'm speculating, he might make something worse than Ebert's Beyond The Valley of the Dolls). I respect his knowledge and his ability to enlighten the way you mentioned are great aspects of criticism. One of the reasons I love him so much was from seeing him dissect the use of movie posters in Inglorious Basterds and how they parallel certain themes of the film which acted as bread crumbs and got me rewatching that film, thinking about all the other things going on. After which I regarded that film as Tarantino's most rich and layered work (still do). This was a film set in WWII where a bunch of white people are fighting a bunch of white people and a black man had the most elevated take on the material. His race wasn't relevant to his insights. His vast knowledge of film and film history was relevant. His merit as a scholar was relevant. Also, the most in depth and nuanced take on Black Panther (especially the film's politics) the I've ever heard came from two white dudes. Because they understand film and politics deeply. I think it's really important to seek out ideas that differ from yours and think you're absolutely correct there, but I think it's quite toxic to state that people who look different automatically think different. A critics identity is the least important and most superficial aspect of their qualifications in dissecting art or ideas or culture. Again, I think you're videos are fucking great. You're obviously really intelligent and passionate about film and I'm glad you're putting well crafted content into the world. Thank you. However, I do see some holes in your idea about who you should seek out to diversify your tastes. I think you've got some bugs in a specific part of your software and really hope you reconsider them. Thanks for listening to my long winded critique. P.S. Cinemasins IS fucking garbage.

@leighcochran7303

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for reminding me of Elvis Mitchell, obviously a smarter person than many directors and movie producers! Might I suggest my favorite critic, James Verniere of the Boston Herald (an otherwise worthless tabloid that once was pretty all right). He mostly shares my taste. Isn't that what we all want in a critic? LOL

A good film critic doesn't just provide general colours on films to watch, but also makes you look at films in different ways and highlight different lenses to view and appreciate film. I think we're in agreement in that. So what about that ostracises KZread, exactly? I want ways to think about film, that's it - and many a 20-something year old white guy on KZread can teach me exactly that.

Since when is Cinemasins a film critic? They're nitpicking for entertainment...

@CoffeeCakeNation

6 жыл бұрын

Ozz Lee yeah, i wish he elaborated because like im not unsubscribing to cinemasins. They may critique films in other channels or mention their overall positive or negative opinion of a movie in the video but i dont watch their videos for insight just jokes

@NiiRubra

6 жыл бұрын

You realize that they are not a true source of criticism, but that doesn't mean the vast majority of their subscribers does (it's true, go read comments on their videos), and the mentality presented by Cinemasins videos is accepted by some as the way a film should be judged. Regardless of their intent, their videos are perceived this way by a very considerable part of their audience.

@antoniom9332

6 жыл бұрын

Rey O'Rourke that’s the problem though, a lot of people do look to them for insight and base whether or not they watch a movie based off how many “sins” the film has.

@acnbk

6 жыл бұрын

Rey O'Rourke check out Everything Wrong with Everything Wrong with Cabin in the Woods or Sustaining Stupidity, the guy who made them elaborated a lot

@MoonSafariFilms

6 жыл бұрын

please watch this: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d4B5o9WAn7OTZaw.html

"Critics aren't paid off." To be fair, I do think that if I were a critic, and I were invited to the premiere of a Star Wars movie, I'd probably give it a better review then it deserves so that I can go to the premiere of the next Star Wars movie. So, who's to say other critics wouldn't do the same. In other words: I'm extremely fallible.

@xant8344

3 жыл бұрын

Critics get invited to every movie. They don’t buy tickets to movies. They get paid to go to festivals and premieres.

Best video of March so far. Great job

After that last bit before the end (the Cinemasins-thing), I am interested what your opinion on channels like CinemaWins is. I personally adore the sheer positivity he brings to most of the movies he talks about. I am also aware that such a subjective take on movies, like forcing yourself to like stuff about them, is not film criticism it is just entertainment. I am only curious whether you think that this, in some cases, forced positive outlook is hurting the way people perceive movies? Thanks in advance and Greetings from Germany

@pennyomega7421

3 жыл бұрын

Loris Bauer I don’t like the channel. It’s great to have some positivity but the channel’s gimmick is to basically like everything just like cinemasins’ is to hate everything. Which is bullshit

Didn't Disney ban a Los Angeles newspaper because of bad reviews? They unbanned them eventually after getting a lot of flack. The idea that the film company doesn't care about reviews is laughable. Critics know if they go too harsh on certain movies they suddenly aren't invited to early screenings. Then they don't have time to create a review. Reviews after first day of release are worth substantially less. Just because someone is black doesn't mean they know "the cultural and historical aspects of the movie."

@rmcavoy415

6 жыл бұрын

Disney banned the LA times from getting into an early screening of Thor: Ragnarok because they published an article condemning Disney for how they've treated the city of Anaheim, where Disneyland is located. Here's the two part article: www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-disney-anaheim-deals/ www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-disney-anaheim-city-council/ There was a major backlash from film critics, who threatened disqualify all Disney films from award consideration until Disney ended the ban: variety.com/2017/film/news/disney-los-angeles-times-ban-backlash-1202609094/

I'm really glad you included that post-video note about Cinema Sins. People will always be quick to spring up and say "the videos are a joke" or "they're not serious, in depth reviews they're just fun" but i don't think these people realize how CinemaSins has cultivated an entire following of kids, teens, youtubers, and critics who think the acknowledgement of a film cliche is enough for the film to lose points as opposed to judging how that cliche or trope is employed within the film. CinemaSins has helped popularize the "unique = good" and "same = bad" mentality that has helped DESTROY criticism among casual film discussion and certain subsets of KZread criticism such as the animation community.

The worst thing is that the channels of negative criticism and that promote hatred towards movies and series from Disney, Warner Bros, Netflix, Dreamworks such as Astro Recargado, Zowl and Dross are still on KZread and to make matters worse, no one does anything to denounce these horrible and inhuman channels. 

My only issue with this video is assuming that all "straight white dudes in their 20's" are going to have the same opinions and their input on films like Black Panther is somehow lessened because of the color of their skin. Yes, you should listen to what a POC or a woman critic has to say about films, duh, but them being a POC or a woman doesn't mean they know more about film than anyone else. Unless of course, they studied film for years and years, meaning they have a great understanding of it. You brought up Black Panther, and a ton of reviews I read for that movie, there were hardly any that talked about what you wanted critics to talk about. There were a lot of POC and women critics (and white dudes) who just talked about what the film meant for black people or women. That's not good film criticism. However, there were a few of them that I read that actually mentioned the nuts and bolts of the film. To end this rambling comment, being a POC or a woman or a white dude in his 20's doesn't mean you have a better viewpoint than one another when it comes to film. One might appreciate a film more because of where they came from and what their upbringing was like, but if that person truly knows film, that won't get in their way of critiquing a film. Like you said, critics should know about the nuts and bolts of film, they should know about the filmmaking process. Anyone, of anyone skin color, any gender, can be knowledgeable about that. I hope this made sense lol

@Xanderall

6 жыл бұрын

It's not that being a POC automatically makes you more cultured in film, it's the fact that they can notice and pinpoint a lot of aspects in a film like Black Panther that a white person will not, because their life experience is totally different. You said it yourself: it's more about getting context thru POCs that you couldn't get anywhere else.

@timy9197

6 жыл бұрын

I honestly think it has more to do with cultural awareness than it does with race. Most KZread critics don't seem to have a strong grasp on political themes and subtext before hand and they and their audiences seemed to be confused where the acclaim was coming from. Being culturally aware from a personal or academic perspective gives you a deeper understanding of what a movie is trying to say. Black panther is a clear example of that.

@ikenosis8160

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you. The subtlety with which contemporary racism is now overtly accepted provided that it is steered at the appropriate group is saddening to me. It’s a profound step backwards culturally. For example, If anyone made the assertion that an Asian American would know more or less about ancient European history, that’s racist, plain and simple.

@ikenosis8160

6 жыл бұрын

Xanderall Respectfully, can you name one specific point that is unique to the interpretation of a contemporary African American viewing a Disney film (Black Panther), over and against any other person of any other ethnic heritage? I find the notion that the color of a persons skin uniquely orients them to a specific culture as fundamentally false. So again, what single specific point can be gleaned out of Black Panther by a person not of European or Asian heritage?

@TrueAlaskanMaverick

6 жыл бұрын

GeneralOrder66 I'm N A T I V E A M E R I C A N Not that it actually matters.

I hope that we start seeing more in-depth and knowledgeable critics making video reviews in the vain of great print critics like Ebert. Showing competence in the medium you're reviewing can go a long way.

I'm making my way through all your videos and had to stop this one after five seconds to calm myself down after you so casually tossed aside that Cahiers du Cinema book! DID YOU CREASE THE COVER?!

I think the most valid reason to listen to people with similar opinions to yourself, is when you know what your opinion is but you can't work out why. Listening to others explain why they think what they think can help a person work out why they think what they think. But then, after one's own opinion is understood, it's time to listen to the opinions of others who disagree or know more than we do, because we now have a stable platform to compare against.

I do understand your point of view, but I think it's a bit unfair to box written reviews and KZread reviews and say that one is good and the other is bad. As you said yourself there are poorly written reviews, and there are good written reviews, the same thing applies to KZread videos. I don't think that one should be held on a pedestal above another. When it comes to reviews themselves (whether in written or video form) I have a very different view on what actually makes a good review. I go into a review with the mindset that I want to know whether the movie is good or bad, to hear a few points to back up why it's good or bad and to hear what the presenter/writer thinks about it; I like them to be short and simple. For me, all of the extra things (like in-depth camera angle analysis and other advanced explanations) should really be put in separate videos that are geared towards people who have already watched the film but want to learn why the lighting was the way that it was, or why the camera angles are as they are. Yes, it's good to elaborate a bit on points made, but I don't think an in-depth explanation is needed. I am personally doing media studies at uni and have also learnt a lot of filmmaking concepts from the internet. Just because I know all of that stuff doesn't mean that I should necessarily overcomplicate reviews by putting everything that I know into the same video. I also don't know why you think the majority of the reviewers on KZread are white guys in their 20s, there are lots of examples of people that aren't (Black Nerd Comedy, Black Critic Guy, Rachel's Reviews and Rotoscopers for example). Either way, every person has had a different life and interacts with different people so I doubt that all people of a certain age group or skin colour will be saying the same thing in their reviews.

Is this replacing Half in the Bag?

@yuothineyesasian

6 жыл бұрын

Also, WTF is with this fuckin' "white dude in his 20's" bullshit?

@TheGeorgeD13

6 жыл бұрын

It's not bullshit. It's literally the most prevalent film critic point of view we have on KZread. It leads to a lot of the same/similar opinions. Variety is the spice of life. Plus, people in their 20s rarely know what they're talking about most of the time. They're still trying to figure out shit.

@yuothineyesasian

6 жыл бұрын

So you're saying all whiteys think alike... I think Stuckmann and Jahns are shallow, pretentious asshats. But a lot of other "white guys" think so too and they don't need a person of color to tell them that or what fucking movies to watch. Pull your head out of your ass.

@1324Potato

6 жыл бұрын

YouthInEyesAsian if him saying race triggers you then just use age. Would a 20 something and a 60 something have the same exact takeaways from a film?

@mitchellhorton9382

6 жыл бұрын

It's not about being told "what movies to watch" it's listening to people with different backgrounds to see what they gathered from movies.

Love the shoutout for moviebob!

True, to be a film critic one has to have a deep understanding of the art and craft of cinema. People might scoff at the idea that one must have a theoretical and historical perspective, a quantum of knowledge that even might surpass that of the best filmmakers..but to get a profound review, to appreciate the art, all this is required.

I basically never comment on KZread, but this might be your best video and I might just keep the URL around to weaponize it. Thanks for this and don't ever hesitate to discuss topics that critize the "easy route" often taken online. Cheers!

basically just a giant slam on Stuckmann ahahah

@FlowerboyMedia

6 жыл бұрын

SUPER FRAME not at all. Stuckmann does the things he wishes more would do. If anything he's talking about some of the people from collider, yms, Bobby burns, and Jeremy jahns

@thesuperframe

6 жыл бұрын

idk man he described exactly what stuckmann does, politely delivered key-phrases, like "gorgeous cinematography" or "exhilarating performances" but never really gets into the meat of why what he' saying has weight. Chris is notorious for this, others do it worst but we need to take Chris off a pedestal :/

@FlowerboyMedia

6 жыл бұрын

SUPER FRAME but that's the thing. Chris does go into detail when he brings these things up. Especially when you does a film analysis. But I respect your opinion and I do see your complaints. Chris is in this gray area where he can go into deep detail of cinema but at the same time he'll tend to ride the fence because sadly his fanbase are mostly just regular people. And for me The American audience has mostly lost the art of film. They want a Jeremy johns. Not a Chris Stuckmann or a RLM

@tomboz777

6 жыл бұрын

Chris Stuckman's fine in my book, it's Jahns that is the wost kind of trash.

@americanfootball8194

6 жыл бұрын

Suburban Gemini yeah stuckmann is an actual critic but people like Jeremy Johns are just boring and don’t give any reasons

After 3 semesters of film studies I gotta admit, classical reviews can be awesome. I love me some Bazin and Sontag. But.....some of the video essay reviewers really can surprise me with their quality. If I were taking those classes now, I probably would be citing Lindsay Ellis, Bob Chipman, Every Frame a Painting, and Cracked After Hours right and left.

Absolutely fantastic video. I've found myself disagreeing with you many times but that doesn't make me hate you or think less of you, it makes me realize that people have different opinions and that's a great thing. I have been able to learn so much from you because you think differently than me. Don't stop making fantastic content