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@invis_kid

13 күн бұрын

Shedinga with max hp would be literally indestructable

@vincentwilliams4343

13 күн бұрын

You should have given kyurem freeze-dry over ice fang

@invis_kid

12 күн бұрын

@@vincentwilliams4343 fr

Ditto with max HP wouldve been INSANE

@michaelroberts5191

14 күн бұрын

Fr, crazy miss. Would've had 2 maxed stats

@Knights0fBlood

14 күн бұрын

Tobin missed both. honestly could of taken Rhydon with max sp def, eviolite, it aint dying. and max hp Ditto would be insane.

@jamiechristensen6433

14 күн бұрын

Blissey with max physical defense XD

@JeiceYT

14 күн бұрын

Cloyster with max special defense would’ve been crazy

@DasakiV

14 күн бұрын

My instant reaction at that round too

The most terrifying option i see? Max HP Shuckle In general, i think the best way to go about this challenge is not "what do i make even better" but "what problematic stat can i remove", you gain a lot more bst if you buff the lowest stat of a mon instead of an already high one

@jaredduncan8495

14 күн бұрын

Or max HP imposter ditto with choice scarf

@PJOZeus

14 күн бұрын

For large part yes, but also mons are generally designed around their best stat, like a defensive mon probably has defensive typings, or a heavy hitter probably has heavy hitting moves Lot of pokemon is about making a good mon better, not shoring up their weaknesses (Square cube law etc, improving good has bigger impact)

@albedo2433

14 күн бұрын

@@jaredduncan8495 don't really even need scarf in this, with max hp you tank basically anything cuz you've got opposing poke with basically 3.5x as much hp and if you give it lefties or smth it's just a lot better imo.

@homerman76

13 күн бұрын

@@PJOZeus I mean, yes and no, some mons just need one stat to be supercharged to go from mid to busted or to knock out a particular weakness, like imagine Blissey with max defense or a slow powerhouse like Rhyperior with max speed. A challenge like this is a good way to overcome the weaknesses of certain Pokemon that just happen to be lacking in certain areas, though amplifying their best qualities isn't a terrible idea, it's just that doing so is ignoring some other really interesting possibilities (though obviously you wouldn't want to arbitrarily enhance stats either, not much point in maxing out the special attack of a physical attacker after all.)

@eeveeborn1418

13 күн бұрын

If there was Ditto with max HP he copies all but the HP Stat of the opponent making it 2 max stats unless they swapped to the mx hp pokemon

Tobin throwing back to back picks. Max sp def eviolite Rhydon would be cracked. Max HP ditto would be INSANE

@kristeenlivesay2664

14 күн бұрын

Max hp leftovers ditto and max spdef cloyster

@Putting_the_Bi_in_Big_Nerd

14 күн бұрын

@@kristeenlivesay2664 I raise you a max physical attack with a good old shell smash + white herb + skill link

@Pheonix686

14 күн бұрын

Throw in max SpAtk Sheer Force Life Orb Lando too

@Mudkipz12

13 күн бұрын

Also max hp uxie is so bulky. Imagine blissey health with 130 for both defenses

@HeatherVillalta

13 күн бұрын

My thoughts, too. Max HP ditto was an OBVIOUS choice.

Tobin: "I feel like his speed is kinda crazy, so why give him speed" Also Tobin: max speed, swift swim Kingdra

@MrJarik1

11 күн бұрын

I was just confused by him picking a damn kingdra to go with speed when a rhyperior is on the screen. Give that thing max speed and with its already amazing att and def if would be sooo much better

@pat2rick26

8 күн бұрын

​@@MrJarik1 finally thank you, someone said it, All they keep saying is "max spdef" but dude, evolve it to rhyperior and max its speed and boom it's a high attack speedster, I love watching them but sometimes it does get annoying sometimes with their pick

@jared01c

6 күн бұрын

@@pat2rick26 Honestly! These guys were picking to boost a pokemon's already great stat instead of boosting something that has already great stats and upping it's poor stat to max (Like making a glass cannon have max def or something)

This was a cool idea but it actually made me realise you could use a similar one for a regular "then we battle" video. Why not - before seeing your starters - declare a stat and you must take whichever starter is best in that stat. EG: Round one you declare "attack" - then turn around and whichever has the highest attack stat you must take it (if it's a tie you choose) and then you've used attack and can't use it again. After doing this once for each stat you have your team.

@homerman76

13 күн бұрын

There are 6 stats to choose from, so perfect number for a team

@Vikt0rian

13 күн бұрын

Fun idea, love it.

@matejlang3995

13 күн бұрын

Maybe not with them choosing the stat, but spinning the wheel, to get some randomness in play

Imagine Max HP Shuckle or Dusclops Literally, the second coming of Dussy 😂

@albedo2433

14 күн бұрын

max defence blissey would be even better than max hp dusclops.

@TheRatBehindTheSlaughter

13 күн бұрын

​@@albedo2433 max defense chansey.. with eviolite.

@dennisyoung6122

13 күн бұрын

Max HP Shedinja

Even if electric terrain woke up asleep mons, Landorus wouldn't be woken up because only Grounded pokémon are immune to sleep

@albedo2433

14 күн бұрын

Only grounded pokemon are affected by terrains* (I'm pretty sure that's what you meant to say anyways xD)

@plazmurr

13 күн бұрын

@@albedo2433 yeah that's what I meant

Everyone talking about the ditto and the cloyster, but dylan not getting a max defense swoobat, which can simple calm mind and then stored power is funny

@albedo2433

14 күн бұрын

Yeah that's another option I saw in this. I was thinking having a frail poke with simple and ability to boost sp.def getting a lot more def would've been insane. Especially with maybe weakness policy too, which pairs great with simple.

Rocky was an MVP because Dylan understood the assignment with it. Buff the weakest stat. Do it correctly and you can make another Dussy.

I think ditto with max hp is probably broken, missed opportunity for the little devil to shine.

@silentshiranui4351

13 күн бұрын

Two 255 stats would be pretty good.

@FrostyFyre

6 күн бұрын

You lose a turn transforming so after taking a hit would be like a basic ditto transforming to a 255 stat mon. Or giving your opponent an extra turn to set up which can be disastrous. Could result in a broken mon or risk completely losing initiative

@oDerpy

5 күн бұрын

@@FrostyFyre did we forget imposter is a thing lol

Loved the concept. Sad Tobin treated it like a typical fight for half of it. It could’ve been Tobin’s win if he was figuring out which maxed stats were on each Mon based on his damage and yours.

@ShallBePurified

12 күн бұрын

I feel like Tobin straight up forgot his opponent could have max special defense lol.

@umbraignis0

8 күн бұрын

I think Tobins biggest problem was he was too scared to act on his calls. He was calling every switch at the start . Hated his line "if I call it wrong Im screwed" dude you got screwed cause you didnt call them.

Honestly yall didn’t meta game this enough it would’ve generally been better to remove a bad stat rather than improving an already good one

7:01 the fact Tobin got a sceptile after Dylan got a grovyle is wild

@Arrowstorm19

13 күн бұрын

Yeaaa but they didn't pick it 😭

Dylan- I got everything right , the next turn, now I’m confused 😂😂

@UnitedGamer

14 күн бұрын

LOL 😂

Not Tobin missing reads. Fog of War was crazy on this one

@2955244

14 күн бұрын

Fr it was hard to watch.

shuckle max hp would be interesting

@thorzap1374

14 күн бұрын

My thoughts exactly

@johncox8527

13 күн бұрын

Or shedinja

@thorzap1374

13 күн бұрын

@@johncox8527 Giga Chad play, give Shedinja 255 defense

Here are the Max Stat Pokémon I created from your respective starter options: Tobin’s Starters: 255 Sp. Atk. Kingdra: Moves: Dragon Pulse, Scald, Hurricane, Ice Beam. Ability: Swift Swim. Item: Choice Specs. 255 HP Ditto: Moves: Transform. Ability: Imposter. Item: Choice Scarf. 255 Speed Mamoswine: Moves: Earthquake or High Horsepower, Icicle Crash, Rock Slide, Knock Off. Ability: Thick Fat. Item: Choice Band. 255 Attack Sceptile: Moves: Leaf Blade, Earthquake, Rock Slide, Swords Dance. Ability: Unburden. Item: Focus Sash. 255 Defense Grimmsnarl: Moves: Foul Play, Spirit Break, Light Screen, Reflect. Ability: Prankster. Item: Light Clay. 255 Sp. Def. Charizard: Moves: Flamethrower, Roost, Toxic, Defog. Ability: Blaze. Item: Heavy-Duty Boots. Dylan’s Starters: 255 HP Uxie: Moves: Psyshock, Draining Kiss, Nasty Plot, Substitute. Ability: Levitate. Item: Leftovers. 255 Attack Barraskewda: Moves: Liquidation, Close Combat, Crunch, Flip Turn. Ability: Swift Swim. Item: Choice Band. 255 Sp. Atk. Venusaur: Moves: Sludge Bomb, Giga Drain, Earth Power, Weather Ball. Ability: Chlorophyll. Item: Choice Scarf. 255 Defense Centiskorch: Moves: Fire Lash, Leech Life, Power Whip, Knock Off. Ability: Heavy-Duty Boots. 255 Speed Kyurem-White: Moves: Draco Meteor, Freeze-Dry, Fusion Flare or Flamethrower, Roost. Ability: Turboblaze. Item: Life Orb. 255 Sp. Def. Aggron: Moves: Head Smash, Earthquake, Stealth Rock, Protect. Ability: Rock Head. Item: Leftovers.

Tobin threw so hard every turn

@vian6990

13 күн бұрын

Yeah fr im not even play competitively and just watch poke battle in youtube.... But every decision he choose from the start is hard to watch...

@MrDeerbomb

7 күн бұрын

​@@vian6990 that's because you know both pov

Ngl Tobin threw not picking Ditto and maxing HP with imposter. Literally the best Pokémon in the game with that set😂 Edited: Changed Attack to HP

@nightcreeper3839

14 күн бұрын

Pretty certain Ditto when transformed copies every stat except for HP so if he maxed HP it would’ve been ridiculous

@luciomarchese5742

14 күн бұрын

Not picking eviolite rhydon max special defense is also a huge miss

@111games.

14 күн бұрын

When Ditto transforms all stats are copied from the opponent pokemon except HP, so maxed atk ditto do nothing, maxed HP does

@TheAlexandrine

14 күн бұрын

Max attack ditto would be useless for this, max HP iw where it's at

@mystycalfyre687

14 күн бұрын

@@TheAlexandrine that's what I meant, I mistyped lol

I just realised, did he name the Gothitelle "Your It" because of its ability shadow tag? If so, "Shadow tag your it" is awesome naming!

Ditto with max hp Cloyster with max spdef Swoobat at with max fed (and simple calm mind) So many good opportunities missed. Super awesome idea for a video though.

Pausing at 2:55 Why would you not choose ditto? 255 hp and he can instantly become something with 255 in another stat

@vian6990

13 күн бұрын

Poke tuber but dont know pokemon i guess XD 😂😂😂

Dylan going “I actually got all of these right” with almost none of them right 😂😂

@UnitedGamer

14 күн бұрын

LOL 😂 I was so happy watching it back

@albedo2433

14 күн бұрын

I mean, he was quite close on most later on, with basically only mistake being switching out of lando and grimmsnarl which is hp and which is sp.def

Dylan out here cheating cuz Koko does not get moonblast 😢

@albedo2433

14 күн бұрын

Yeah i noticed that too, but ig all I can say in this specific case is "If you don't get caught, is it really cheating?"

@abmutes3533

12 күн бұрын

i dont know if the 15 bp difference between that and dazzling gleam wouldve really made a difference with 255 spa

@albedo2433

11 күн бұрын

@@abmutes3533 I'm pretty sure landorus would've survived one more turn and maybe would've gotten to wake up and earth power tapu koko, but dylan had a huge lead in the pokes he had left so he probs still would've won.

I've seen so many people being critical of choices so I just wanted to say Awesome video. Thank you both for putting in so much work to create entertainment for the people.

Genuinely one of the most enjoyable Then We Battle videos you've ever done. A great idea, and with the mons having normal abilities and moves as well it made it such a tactical battle instead of a powerhouse fest. Was so good to watch. Would love more of these!

This switching to each person to explain their picks and decisions, and the reasons why they make those choices. I love this content, great work!

This is actually the most interesting "and then we battle" video I have seen in a while. I love the "chess factor" it brings to a pokemon battle

Tobin didn't pick possibly the best pokemon possible, Ditto with 255 hp

My best team set up for each player - Tobin: 1. 255 Sp. Def - Rhydon @ Eviolite/Lightningrod, Iron Defense | Body Press | Stealth Rock | Rest 2. 255 HP - Ditto @ Leftovers/Imposter 3. 255 Speed - Cloyster @ King's Rock/Skill Link, Icicle Spear | Pin Missile | Rock Blast | Substitute 4. 255 Atk Salamence @ Wide Lens/Moxie, Dragon Dance | Dual Wingbeat | Dragon Claw | Rock Slide 5. 255 Def - Grimmsnarl @ Eject Button/Prankster, Sunny Day | Body Press | Reflect | Light Screen 6. 255 Sp. Atk - Charizard @ Blunder Policy/Solar Power, Heat Wave | Air Slash | Solar Beam | Focus Blast Dylan: 1. 255 HP - Uxie @ Leftovers/Pressure, Calm Mind | Stored Power | Baton Pass | Foul Play 2. 255 Sp Def - Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry/Intimidate, Parting Shot | Will O Wisp | Snarl | Overheat 3. 255 Def - Venusaur @ Big Root/Overgrow, Leech Seed | Sleep Powder | Toxic | Knock Off 4. 255 Sp. Atk - Tapu Koko @ Choice Scarf/Electric Surge, Volt Switch | Moonblast | Thunderbolt | Grass Knot 5. 255 Speed - Kyurem @ Power Herb/Teravolt, Freeze Shock | Fusion Bolt | Rock Slide | Substitute 6. 255 Atk - Dragapult @ Life Orb/Clear Body, Dragon Dance | Dragon Darts | Sucker Punch | Substitute

Love this style of video, where you each have a moment to talk through your decisions and how you built the pokemon. ❤

I love love loved this format. All the bois should run videos like this.

One of my favourite videos of the random starters series, it was so interesting to see you guys go into so much details about the strategy!

next time could you randomize the stats you max out or reverse it where you make 1 stat the lowest you can

@albedo2433

14 күн бұрын

Making one stat be lowest is kinda useless. Could get Calyrex-Shadow and then they just say "I'm gonna nerf my Attack for this one." and they basically just get a buffed calyrex-shadow (buffed since lower attack makes you take less from foul play.)

@user-vt8xf2tf2o

13 күн бұрын

@@albedo2433 i am just suggesting things idk how broken/bad something might turn out i just wanna see some funny things happen

Yeah honestly fun Identifying their sets generally doesn't matter a damn in these videos but figuring out what they picked (watching you do so I should say) was a unique and interesting twist Would be down to see another episode of this, perhaps with lukey

Gotta love Tobin feeding every attacker to its counter and just going “well I guess 255 stats and +2 setup just aren’t very good.”

I love, love, love, LOOOOOOOOOVE this format, please bring this one back, maxed out stat? FUN!

I would love to see someone fuse blissey and shuckle with stamina lol since I just watch the fusion video with dussy

@alicedodobirb2808

14 күн бұрын

You've all heard of dussy, now get ready for SHUSSY!!! (We need to see which one would win in a 1v1)

@ShallBePurified

12 күн бұрын

@@alicedodobirb2808 I feel like the winner of that is whoever has the bigger PP lol.

Maxed out defense blissey is the first thing I immediately thought of when the rules were read out and I got shivers

Tobin made a MAJOR miss not taking the ditto and making it max HP. The HP stat carries over during transform, so a max HP ditto with imposter would just be a free use of two maxed stats. This is also why imposter blissey is run in the almost any ability category. If you transform into something with even a bit of a defensive presence, you become a MONSTER.

Love these videos! Just a heads up guys, I looked it up during the video and Black sludge for a poison type like Venusaur is better than left overs but not by a huge margin. Just friendly facts 😁

@MiffedKitten

14 күн бұрын

It heals the same. It's better only because if it's tricked by an opponent it won't heal them if they aren't a poison type themselves but will hurt them instead each turn. It frees lefties for your other mons It's a minor precaution but then again you never know what might happen.

@albedo2433

14 күн бұрын

Only reason black sludge is *technically* better is in case a pokemon uses trick on venusaur. (And also if they're doing item clause (which they weren't since tobin had 2 specs pokes) then black sludge lets you put lefties on smth else.)

I really think due to the format in which starters were chosen it made this the most competitive and entertaining then we fight video yet across all the boys channels.

mamoswine and landorus "You have one ground type for my immunity on volt switch"

I really feel the “I’ve missed you” from Tobin 😂

I like when yall can talk while playing

I hope we see more videos like this in the future. They're many great options for all these stats in both Sw/Sh and Sc/Vi. Here's some from each stat that would either stand out or be fun for me personally. HP-Shadinja, Shuckle, and Ditto ATK-Tinkaton, Jirachi, Mightyena, or any other physical attacker who needs a better ATK stat DEF-Blissey, Assault Vesters, and Eviolite mons SP-ATK - Mew, Porygon 2, and Sheerforcers SP-DEF - Kartana, Assult Vesters, and Eviolite mons like DEF SD-Dracovish, Arctizolt, and Pokémon with few good priority moves Some of these can be swapped around like Dracovish into ATK or Mightyena into Speed, but I feel these could be fun.

I'm always happy to see my friend Maractus. Not a great or popular mon, but it's too precious for how rarely it's been in game.

Loved this video. I would like to see this one more. Thank you.

i have an idea for a future video! you blindly choose your starter and you get to rearrange the bst of the final evolution (with some rules like min. 50 in each max. 150)

Love this concept please do more!!

Very happy to see you still doing a lot of amazing videos! Hope you keep having more success in the future! 😄

I love that you have some videos where you mute the opponent and try to guess what their thinking without them giving hints. You have to do one of these with Shady. The mind games would be crazy.

I really liked this video idea! Would love to see this again

now imagine blissy with max hp and max Defence... that thing would be a god

I kinda wished someone had gotten a Pokémon with a good Special move pool but no Special Attack to finally make it work :D Nobody would expect a Gyarados to hit with devastating Thunderbolts

26:30 no Xs on the dead mons Either way keep up the great work editors, Tobin, and Dylan

Dylan thinking he figured out all the stats was tooo funny. Amazing mind games in this one!

this is my new favorite idea for a then we fight now

I need more videos like this. Dylan, if you read this, make another please 🙏🏻

Venusaur putting in work again. 😅 What a great video!

the "it's gonna do a lot... please" from Tobin has been killing me for like 20 minutes lololol

so, i had an idea. do a video like this, like a really similar one. but if you can guess the correct changes at the end on every mon, you get an advantage the next time you both battle. like an illegal move, or any ability

I think it would be interesting if you did this style again but throughout the battle if you call out the persons boosted stat correctly, they have to tell you what their next move is or something. It’s so easy to mix up HP for D/SpD so it would be difficult. Maybe you only get to call each stat once and if it’s wrong the person doesn’t tell you anything so you can’t cross anything off the list?

Another amazing video, Thank you for all the hours of entertainment ❤

More of this rule set please! Great video!

"I wish electric terrain woke me up." It does. Landorus is a flying type.

@user-ws8tr6gc2e

12 күн бұрын

Not cause it's flying but cause it's already asleep before the terrain was active

@Haroldingle

Күн бұрын

@@user-ws8tr6gc2eif terrain comes up, asleep Pokémon also wake up. It is because it’s flying.

THIS WAS AMAZING...... I want you to do this with Shady so bad

You picked kabutops over uxie with 255 special attack! Such a bulky pokemon, pretty fast as well. Man this game idea is amazing, so many different things to do! Okay it was the first pick of stat, I thought you would have to choose in the end, it makes sense to think a bit about it

You guys should take more formats from Pokémon showdown OMs! I would love to see you guys try things like inheritance, full potential, and all those fun formats

I like this type of video it’s slightly different from the norm everyone does but gives that homie vibe ❤

this idea would be so scary with shuckle raising his attack to the max

"I don't want to risk it" This guy has the npc gameplan 😂 no predictions allowed

I want to see what would happen if you played against each other, but with actual VGC strategies in double battles

please do more of these it was so much fun!!!

Would love to see more of this kind of challenge

Great video idea please do again, an idea opponent picks which you have to use with out seeing your pokemon.

Ditto would actually have been an amazing choice since it copies all opponents stats but keeps HP so Tobin could have went max HP and transformed into one of Dylan's mons and have 2 maxed stats

@rileyackison4495

13 күн бұрын

And it would have been amazing for information gathering.

That little graphic with the mons over their stat was so clutch

YOU LIVE AND LEARN! ( 13:25 )

Max Defense Blissey or max HP Ditto would have been crazy xD

small mistake in the description of Prankster on Grimmsnarl, using the description of Sheer Force again. Prankster adds priority to non-damaging moves like the screens

I'd say do this idea again, but with fusion pokemon's as i think some of the fusions could be broken in the best way

4:23 NOTHING is better than Reese’s!

The uxie would have been interesting if it was built in physical or special attack as it gets the elemental punches for one and good coverage for two not to mention its bulky too

27:04 Dylan saying he got everything right when he pretty much got everything wrong is hilarious. I get it's hard to jump to conclussions with the given information though

Anyone else screaming at Tobin to pick Ditto! It would of been so broken with max HP

I would love to see you do this video idea against shady and go full sweat mode XD

It makes me happy that we all thought of shuckle

The next few videos based on this idea, all stats maxed out(1), one stat minimum/minimized(2), and the third video could be all stats are minimum

Not Dylan out here with 2 mons with illegal moves 😭

I would've loved to see Dylan use huge power max attack mawile, it gets sucker punch priority and would've been an absolute nightmare

i gotta say, not going with atk/spa on kingdra and excadrill and making them absurdly threatening weather sweepers was kind of a misplay

"hoping he doesn't have a ground type" Tobin after getting mamoswine and landerous: 😏

Shedinja with Max HP would’ve been HYSTERICAL

Awesome team building Dylan

The sonic adventure battle 2 cameo made me way happier then it should have

I love the solo commentary

I usually don't like regular human names for pokemon, but Jared on Venasaur kinda fits. Its like when your Uncle goes by his middle name cause his first name is Venasaur

I like how even if electric terrain can wake up sleep mons it doesn't matter because landorus is not on the ground