btw I have since seen noah's video (and its follow up). its good

@coachkylehagen

2 жыл бұрын

There are 2 google doc lists Noah posted which included some additional contributors who were not named in the video. The list included Beau of the Fifth Column and Thought Slime, (two of my favs) but I just verified that No it does not include you. Perhaps you could have Noah add you to one of those lists?

@skahg4771

2 жыл бұрын

@@coachkylehagen Yeah i was pretty mad Thought Slime wasn't included either. Big inspiration of mine. i cant remember if Fiq was included either but T1J and him could described as a savior to many white guys, including myself. Its a crime they arent blowing up even more than they are.

@SomniaCE

2 жыл бұрын

Who is noah

@skahg4771

2 жыл бұрын

@@SomniaCE Noah Samson. He makes videos on KZread. He made a bread tube round up and forgot a bunch of the core creators that make up bread tube. Namely T1J and FD signifier aka fiq. Two of my favs

@SomniaCE

2 жыл бұрын

@@skahg4771 Honestly being forgotten on a breadtube list is a blessing as far as I'm concerned But ty for letting me know who he was talkin about! I've seen some of Noah's content, he's a funny dude

When people refer to Breadtube they seem to be referring to one of two groups that have only a little bit of overlap. 1: KZreadrs that produce explicitly Left Wing content. 2: KZreadrs who were at Lindsay Ellis's wedding.

@RecklessFables

2 жыл бұрын

I understand this reference, holy crap

@HieronymusHeim

2 жыл бұрын

first laugh out loud of the day ^^

@TheRaven7

2 жыл бұрын

Group 2 had a dramatic effect on the popularity of Group 1 when they started getting very successful on KZread.

@mhawang8204

2 жыл бұрын

Fact 😂

@liesideways

2 жыл бұрын

Lindsay Ellis who

I remember they’re was a live event with hbomb philosophy tube and other British “left tubers” they were asked by the audience if they prefer “left tube or bread tube” and pretty much all said “we aren’t a movement or organization we’re just friends who make leftist content sometimes”

I didn't know this whole breadtube/lefttube thing was so serious to people. I'd heard the reference, but I thought it was like a loose way of referring to people are left leaning to far left who contribute to that conversation. The idea that it is a thing that can be gatekept is pretty weird to me. It kind of reminds me of the way the audiences of many popular atheist youtubers became weird and toxic despite the creator repeating calling them out and telling them to stop it. I think that followers and adherents ultimately end up defining narratives, rather than people who actually put ideas out into the world.

@vincentbatten4686

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. It's like listening to these incessant conversations in music genre forum pages or geek forums where they talk about what superhero would win in a fight. It's becoming so far removed from discussions about the issues and how we can address them in meaningful ways.

@shoeby9273

2 жыл бұрын

that last bit can describe so many different ideologies lmao

@mr.pavone9719

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, you gotta make up drama after Biden became president.

@t3tsuyaguy1

2 жыл бұрын

@@mr.pavone9719 I don't think that's true at all. Biden becoming president was just 1 successful staving off of one kind of crazy that's causing real harm today. I'm not at all surprised to see him breaking promises and failing to address the most important issues with any real success. There are few things that definite wins, but mostly things are still stalled out. More importantly, he and the rest of the party are completely failing on the most important work of unpacking everything that happened under the Trump administration. They still see him with the same dismissive disdain that lost them the 2016 election. Right now I think it's straight up likely that he will be elected for another term in 2024. I see him making moves to help ensure he can actualy succeed in overturning the result, but right now, I don't think he's even gonna need that. Biden and the Dems have done nothing to convince the 73 million people who turned out for Trump that they made the wrong choice. Worse, they haven't done what they need to do to convince the 10s of millions of moderate and even right leaning voters, who didn't actually vote _for_ Biden, but rather, _against_ Trump; that they made the correct choice. Oh BTW, I voted Gore, Kerry, Obama, Obama, Clinton, Biden. I kinda want them to succeed. I just don't think they will.

@joegibbskins

Жыл бұрын

KZread creator fans are just generally horrible. I think it’s because a lot of them are like 15 years old

lefttube/breadtube was *never* a defined group, it's just an umbrella term for any youtubers that happen to be left wing

@theangel666100

2 жыл бұрын

It literally just started as a name of a subreddit to post left wing videos on

@NelsonStJames

2 жыл бұрын

The problem with not defining a group; however becomes a problem when people come in and start to subvert the group using the name. This has been a problem with subcultures, groups and movements throughout time. Because generally the people who start something know exactly what they were wanting to achieve and what they wanted to say. If you are indeed a leftist; that means something, it's shouldn't be open to random interpretation, or eventually being a leftist won't mean anything because you'll have dozens of people claiming to be leftist often with 180 degree ideologies, and completely different goals. This is very evident when you look at what we now consider the "right".

@troyareyes

2 жыл бұрын

To me, all breadtube was was that group picture at Lindsay Ellises wedding lol

@regulate.artificer_g23.mdctlsk

2 жыл бұрын

That's how I see it, too: an umbrella term!

@End-Result

2 жыл бұрын

Ironic because the name is a direct reference to anarchist theory...

Breadtuber should be exclusive for the channels that create those fluffy milk breads tbh

@xp8969

2 жыл бұрын

All bread bro, don't discriminate

@lhfirex

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, only fluffy milk bread? We've got a rye-cist in here.

@angitacallus1541

2 жыл бұрын

Why only milk breads huh, why not baguettes or bagels huh😡

@anterrobang9298

2 жыл бұрын

wow , pretzel-ist much 0o0 >.< xD xP ::(((( -n- jij ??/?/?///??????

Funny thing I learned from Zoe Quinn/Anarchopac recently is that Breadtube originally was a term for specifically anarchist youtubers, which makes way more sense, given the "Conquest of Bread" connection not being there for a lot people included under the heading nowadays.

@xp8969

2 жыл бұрын

True, but it's expanded to include some Leftists who are slightly less anarchistic nowadays, the name for the movement originally came from the name of the book called "The Conquest of Bread"

@skrang9671

2 жыл бұрын

Source of this factoid, if anyone's interested (starting at the 6:09 mark) kzread.info/dash/bejne/pY17upKrYrGyk5M.html

@T1J

2 жыл бұрын

@@skrang9671 That's interesting. I thought the term originated with the subreddit.

@Kuhmuhnistische_Partei

2 жыл бұрын

@@T1J According to Zoe there was an anarchist subreddit where "Breadtube" was just a term for anarchist content on KZread. There were quite a few memes about the breadbook (Conquest of Bread) back then in that subreddit. Then someone from that subreddit created the new subreddit "Breadtube" and "Breadtube became whatever people posted on that subreddit, which was any leftist content creator they liked".

That point about the label having been made more for the use of the audience I think is so spot on. Kat Blaque's great video about this talks about how whenever people complain about how white breadtube is, she is someone not considered to be part of that group. She is left out on purpose because of being black, and then people say "Hey, see? That proves it!" As a personal note, you were literally one of the first youtubers I subscribed to and I have loved seeing the progression of your channel and am glad you are still making content. It's frustrating to me how often you are overlooked.

Jenny is my bed tuber I love listening to the trigger warning video while going to bed lol

@heatherlee2967

2 жыл бұрын

Mood. Her voice is perfect for going to sleep😂

@LycoLoco

2 жыл бұрын

I've found my people lol

@connorsullivan1855

2 жыл бұрын

The trigger warning video is honestly one of my favorite KZread videos of all time. Jenny is just so consistently funny thoughtout that whole video.

@shreshthadavi141

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yes one of my favourites! The bigness of the main character being constantly remarked upon still makes me cackle m😂

@btarczy5067

2 жыл бұрын

Aaaaand "Well, I guess SOMEBODY had to read "Trigger Warning" " is in my suggestions right now. Good night, big guys!

It’s also worth mentioning that Breadtube and Lefttube weren’t always considered the same group. Breadtube was the click of Contra/PhilTube/Hbomb/Lindsay et al, and they were defined as such due to the subreddit, which was created explicitly by those channel’s fans who all had overlap. Lefttube was a larger category meant to encompass them and also anyone making leftist/left-wing content on YT. But since both categories were simultaneously ill-defined, and also subject to intense gatekeeping, the entire fan base become one big cluster that devolved pretty quickly.

I honestly think the concept of breadtube is really useful for those who wish to find that kind of content but (as everyone points out) the audience kind of ruined that. most of the problems that come with the “breadtube” label are created by the audience itself and their standards and biases. so when people ask why breadtube is so white or why certain creators are considered breadtube and others aren’t, the creators don’t make those choices, the audience does. so its the audiences viewing habits and biases that have to change, its not the creators fault y’all are conditioned to think somethings are better than others.

@SLYKM

2 жыл бұрын

I agree but I don't think anyone noticing the trend of them being white are saying its the creators fault. Especially since everyone I've seen talking about this trend are discussing this in the context of social issues.

@sphinxminx

2 жыл бұрын

@@SLYKM agreed, in kat blaque’s video “why is leftube so white?” she talks about the exact same things (iirc)- a lot of them are friends and the audience is biased. i mean, breadtube fans can suffer from some heavy cognitive dissonance sometimes so maybe some people are trying to say its the creators doing, but I certainly havent seen it. theres always someone arguing something. also side note when i first heard the name “breadtube” i thought it was a joke abt leftube being white, like they were white bread or something lmao

@piethein4355

2 жыл бұрын

@@sphinxminx I think the bread part is a reference to "the conquest of bread"

@Dell-ol6hb

2 жыл бұрын

@@sphinxminx lmaoo I thought the same thing at first

@ProletariatPrince

2 жыл бұрын

@@SLYKM Idk I think its all of the above. Theres the algorithms, theres the inherent biases of viewers, theres the lack of collaboration with people who are ostensibly allies who are outside of friend groups. And this doesnt mean that all leftists need to promote all other leftists all the time, but it does mean that leftists with huge audiences have a lot of power when it comes to who they recommend. Like just look at the massive jump in follower counts for smaller leftist content creators after Noah's video. If leftism is something we care about then we should definitely be platforming other leftists, and not just leftists who agree with us, but the broad spectrum of the conversation, which will make us stronger as a movement. While consumption of leftist content is primarily a form of entertainment, if we want to pretend we are educators and activists we need to like doo that work. Which is bringing people to the table. Which is the idea of the Breaking Bread video I think. Bringing people to the table. The more people at the table, the better the potluck is gonna be. Unless everybody brings chips but thats its own issue.

WRT what you said about hbomb and contra being effective against the anti-sjw types, I remember hbomb talking about that first video on Davis aurini in a Patreon post and how he never intended to take down aurini or his pals, the whole point of the video was just pointing out how deeply, deeply lame aurini is. All of these weird quirks and details across his videos that collectively brought attention to what a sad loser he was. And by the time that video picked up steam, people were distancing themselves from aurini because the whole vibe of that space was that everyone thought they were Very Cool Alpha Males, and Harris so thoroughly and easily destroyed that illusion in one silly video. I think the skill that hbomb and contra have specifically is highlighting the farce of the whole thing, and that goes a long way in getting young people to drop something shitty

@shriderrad4123

2 ай бұрын

Yet both Contra and Hbomb can't even offer young people anything that isn't shitty either. The irony.

Would be wild if we started categorizing other genres like we do with 'left-tube' like Elton john is buds with Eminem so he's a rapper now, and Bong Jon Hoo hangs out with taika waititi so we should put parasite and snow piercer in the comedy section

@libidinalmaterialist9470

2 жыл бұрын

I agree but I needed to just point out Snowpiecer and Parasite where both co-written and directed by Bong. An example of your for Watiti would be What We Do In The Shadows

It feels kinda like people (fans) just wanna be part of the friend group, and aren't actually here to learn and grown. I still watch and enjoy the LeftTube pillars, but my politics have grown beyond them and what I watch now reflects that. And I think diversifying what you watch helps to mitigate the inevitable parasocial toxicity.

@jerkchicken_expertlyseasoned

2 жыл бұрын

I guess it's not that surprising. Developing a nuanced, accurate and principled understanding of the world and the systemic issues affecting the people in it is great, but it isn't a basic human desire. Being an accepted part of a group is.

Thoughtslime frequently reminds his audience that they are in a parasocial relationship and not to get caught up in it. I think this is both healthier for the viewer/creator and also discouraged by the al gore rhythm, a thing that uses the disciplinary powers of revenue and positioning on the timeline to turn creators into content machines and viewers into helpless addicts.

@toppersundquist

2 жыл бұрын

The world could benefit from their kind of self-awareness.

I'm forever sad that the Atheist movement went full reactionary and anti-sjw, considering how religion, conservative values, and patriarchy hurts both men and women, and they should be natural allies.

@CorbiniteVids

2 жыл бұрын

Culturally christian atheism without adequate introspection often just recreates many of the subconscious norms started by christianity

@Godsgrampa38

2 жыл бұрын

Check out Suris, Viced Rhino, Genetically Modified Skeptic, and Paulogia if you're looking for atheist content that treats people with empathy.

@dwc1964

2 жыл бұрын

Not all of them though. Steve Shives (mentioned in this video) was doing primarily atheist content back then, always from a liberal perspective, and never hesitated to tear the reactionaries a new one. And remember The Bible Reloaded with Hugo and Jake? Well, Hugo is now Hannah. Likewise, there's the women from the atheist/skeptic community who were front-line victims of the misogyny of the reactionary neckbeards, still making content.

@dwc1964

2 жыл бұрын

@@CorbiniteVids I wonder if that might be part of why Stephen Jay Gould >>> Richard Dawkins

@pixieskitty

2 жыл бұрын

@@Godsgrampa38 thank you! I'll check them out!

love ur stuff man

I always found it weird how media critics and philosophers got lumped together because they were left wing and tweet at each other sometimes I guess.

@blaqueup

2 жыл бұрын

It's also a pretty easy 1000-level course to spin-up if you're adjuncting admittedly, so that might cause conflation for folks with any college :P

I’m just so exhausted with lefttube discourse. Like you say, the youtubers at hand barely care about the label, it’s all just fans trying to turn the creators they like into a cast of characters like a TV show fandom.

@RisingSunfish

2 жыл бұрын

I clicked on this video hoping to get some clarification on a topic/term I find confusing, and came away a) not being less confused and b) wondering if LeftTube is for grad students what that Minecraft Dream whatever series everyone complains about is for middle schoolers.

Subscribed! Just discovered your channel, I appreciate your perspective and the nuance you bring to these conversations.

To me the main issue is fans and some creators aren't even considering a Left Pipeline of various tactics to counter the Right's obvious pipeline. They only see a vague hierarchical tier list thus the infighting as too many think "their creator" is the top tier. WHO is Leftube has become more important than WHAT it is.

Yo just found you today , I love your content

I love most of these creators. And I found them because you gave a shootout to this really funny creator who had just 2 or 3 vids, but real potential. You gave a shout out to Contrapoints!

I'm actually surprised after all this time I wasn't subscribed. You're one of my favorites

Imo, the term "bread-tube" has good heuristic value. Fiq talked about this in his "Breaking Bread" video about the rabbit holes or silos that youtube tends to use to lump creators together for the almighty algorithm. The positive side is that if one goes down the rabbit hole far enough, you'll likely find the little side-pockets where some really excellent work is being done by smaller creators who are adjacent enough to the content for the algorithm to recommend them. The downside is that no one community is a monolith and there's plenty of in-fighting to go around in leftist spheres (see T1J's comment about leftists vs liberals and gatekeeping). As a result you can equally miss out on excellent content because it gets partitioned off into a completely different silo. I think it's important that the audience remembers to think critically for themselves about the content they consume rather than just mindlessly watching the videos. That's how the right-wing channels picked up steam in the first place - they didn't encourage people to think for themselves. I personally don't care much at all for the "debate-bro" portion of leftist youtube. I understand the purpose they serve, but it's not my thing. I don't really have a great ending point for this and my adhd brain is kinda running out of steam here haha. Anyway, just my $.02.

Brand new! Happy to be here

I watch your stuff on nebula usually so I forgot to sub and when you kindly asked at the end, I checked realizing I hadn’t. So your supposition was correct.

I always figured Bread/Lefttube was anyone who posted videos from a left leaning perspective explaining why more media centered vidmakers like ellis and olsen get placed there.

@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195

2 жыл бұрын

same

It was actually you who made me find contra and hbomb through a tweet way back in 2016 or something... crazy how things have moved on since then... what a ship to be on

@meko98743

2 жыл бұрын

This comment made me realize I've been watching them for longer than 5 years...

Amazing!

this is all just high school stuff

Breadtube is a creation of the fans and is basically a shared parasocial relationship.

New subscriber here, via FD Signifier. I've used KZread occasionally for several years, but only in the last year have I really started to spend a lot of time here. I was drawn in by Contrapoints, and have branched out to other leftist essayists over time. I really appreciate creators like you and FD Signifier who are able to offer perspective on how the platform got to where it is today. Thank you! I look forward to exploring your earlier content, as well as waiting eagerly for new videos.

Thanks for helping me understand some of the terminology I hear and don’t get - I appreciate it.✌🏼

Me: wonders why Like/Dislike is disabled T1J: says "GamerGate" Me: oh that's why.

@jerkchicken_expertlyseasoned

2 жыл бұрын

It's disabled everywhere now. Site-wide change.

@aoBubs

2 жыл бұрын

@@jerkchicken_expertlyseasoned You can still see Likes normally

@rayne333

2 жыл бұрын

they’re always disabled on T1J’s videos as far as i’ve seen, i just always assumed it’s due to the generally “controversial” subject matter of left leaning politics & racism, etc. and being a relatively smaller channel making one more susceptible to dislike bombing

I really liked your video. I like how you touched on the gatekeeping/purity testing that's been happening. It's really sad that so many people who share mostly the same views, spend so much time making content worrying about the differences. I don't know if they've just noticed that infighting brings more views, or if it's because of jealousy of creators that have larger platforms. It could even be that they don't feel like they can change the minds of right leaning people. Whatever it is, I'm glad you've recognized it and don't take part in it.

@blaqueup

2 жыл бұрын

The circular firing squads over purity of ideas is something I have always found most frustrating with a lot of leftist discourse. I think a big issue that arises with I think early leftist stuff and this need to be read-up on literature is it kidn of ended up with the academic one-upmanship that I kind of hate in university work and also seems to value the perfect over the good there.

Thanks for explaining this to me.

Just signed up, you sold me!

Busted out laughing when I saw destiny in the F tier 💀

We didn't start the fire.. it was always burning something something turning!

There's no point in trying to decry labels, that's generally what happens when people begin to see a pattern and try to categorize it. Most of the names of groups and movements we know from history where many times not names that the people in those movements gave themselves, but later became obvious to people looking back in retrospect, or those with an affinity for the things those people were doing; they saw a connection and they simply gave it a name. It's not a negative thing, and it can help people looking for your brand of content find you.

@Dave102693

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

i honestly just saw these terms "left-tube" and "breadtube" as memes, i scoffed at the gatekeeping. regardless if you are a radical, i still think you provide valuable insights that more or less are positive to the world, and i don't think everyone needs to be some radical socialist or anarchist (not immediately anyways, that's the long game, lol).

OMG! I found myself to be one of those people who had watched a bunch of your content and didn't realize I wasn't subscribed yet O.o Fixed that! lol I loved your perspective and summarizations here. As a person who didn't really know there was a "breadtube" I think what made me always lump certain creators with other leftists, even if they didn't make specifically leftist obvious political content, was that when they made video essays, they'd always apply the most evolved academic lens without prompting. They'd analyze pop culture and apply a lens of race, feminist theory, gender theory, social awarenesses and considerations, modern mental health understandings, modern science without irony or sarcasm or without being told to do so. It was just part of their well-researched points or cleverly inserted jokes. Not that they'd always hit the mark for everything. Just that like... they acknowledged human experiences beyond their own as valid and I guess that means they're leftist in our currest hellscape of politics lol

Why do people care so much about this label? If you like the creator, just watch them. They don’t have to placed into a category like that. I’ve honestly sort of stopped caring about politics but I still watch their videos sometimes because I genuinely like what they put out there. Also as long as you aren’t some sort of racist or homophobe or the like then I kind of just don’t care

@AverageUsernames

2 жыл бұрын

I am a homophobe for the luls

Incredibly disappointed this video wasn't set to we didn't start the fire

These "distancing myself from 'BreadTube', whatever that is" videos are getting a bit tedious.

I find it interesting how a lot of african channels such as Hometeam History and Risen Africa aren't mentioned. Like the left doesnt just exist in the western world, the affects of colonialism means African countries have the same western political structures that the US and the UK have, we have right and left leaning politics and people. So why arent african channels like these talked about when the discussion of left tube is brought up?

@dylankennedy4539

2 жыл бұрын

Hometeam History is so good

@Dave102693

2 жыл бұрын

I haven’t watch those channels in a good while. Lol

@dwightlewis3519

2 жыл бұрын

It's because the majority of the audience of this space is white and/or western. Not that many in that category are likely interested in the situations of African countries. Many people probably couldn't tell you basic facts about any of those places either.

@leonardoives674

2 жыл бұрын

@@dwightlewis3519 that's sad tho. Its limiting perspectives by not including african politics, or not trying to even understand them. I've seen leftists mention the politics of places like Russia and China but hardly ever Africa. And leftists pride themselves with their progressive views on Black Lives Matter yet spend absolutely no time on learning about a country where Black Lives have been affected the most by inequality and colonialism.

@leonardoives674

2 жыл бұрын

@@dwightlewis3519 its almost admitting that the left in general are still racist, because they spend most of their time and energy talking about political issues that affect white people and covering western politics in white countries while actively ignoring the major human rights issues in countries like South Africa, Zimbabwe Malawi, Mozambique etc.

I always thought "left tube" and "bread tube" are two mutually exclusive things. Like, I thought *bread tube* is simply a list of *content creators whom happen to be left leaning;* while *left tube* is specifically a collection of political *content creators that upload content about leftist politics.* Y'know what they say: Bread Tube is KZread, but good.

I think what's sad about this whole conversation is, at least in my experience, you and kat blaque were really the early origins of leftist youtube. I had been watching both of you for years before the others showed up. In fact, it was because you mirrored one of Natalie's original videos that I even found her. The thing is though, I think FD is right in saying that youtube had an audience curated mostly for white people who were dealing with altright/nazi talking points because of how they changed which videos got promoted. And I still think it's a good thing that people like contrapoints came to the forefront even if it wasn't fair or wasn't a topic that underprivileged groups were really interested in engaging with (rightly so). Taking a step back, it seems insane that collectively we all were debating against literal nazi talking points but they were gaining power and influence. Unfortunately, I personally think it's too late anyway. The damage is done. We debated nazi talking points, giving them the credit to be ideas that were debatable instead of unacceptable. Now some of these talking points have been toned down and entered the mainstream real-life conversations. And that's not to say we shouldn't have debated them either. It just seems like an unfortunate case of damned if you do and damned if you don't. Obviously, breaking down the ideas and why they're wrong helped a lot of people flirting with those ideas. But also, for me personally and probably others like me who had to engage with those ideas with family and friends, contra and hbomb were people who broke through the gaslighting that happens from debating those people who "aren't doing anything wrong just discussing ideas". You have to remember this came to a head just before Trump and during his first years where there was a lot of shaming (sensitive snowflakes, playdoh and puppies, too emotional therefore not rational enough to even hold a conversation about race and crime or the reality of two genders, etc.) and gaslighting from the people with the most power. I mean I got written off as too emotional for many conversations about race or lgbt rights or feminism for calling out blatant (and I mean blatant) racism, homophobia, and sexism. And these people (not just people online but family), empowered by the trump culture, would openly try to mock and offend to get a rise out of me on purpose. Their channels gave people like me a sense of community and not being alone in this struggle. Anyways idk where I was really going with this but it's disappointing and I feel a great deal of frustration that those were the conversations we were having (even if they were necessary) instead of conversations around moving society forward in its multitude of problems and issues.

It's all about that struggle for bread

Engagement for the engagement god!

I have found them because they, you're, awesome! ✊🏻🎧

I hope to be call a Breadtuber

hey this might be dumb, but I just rewatched your "black jeopardy" video and I jsut wanted to say that if you did start doing more content on nerd culture, like critical readings of marvel properties and comics, I would totally watch that. I know that one white guy might not be enough of a reason to fuck with your algorythm, but I love aggressive readings and would eat that shit up. I have finished all of Big Joel's and CJ the X's content and need MORE. IDK if thats the kind of nerd content youd wanna make, but your Falcon vid is what got me into your content

Every single type of category ever seems to have a bunch of gate keepers who ruin it.

KZread unsubscribed me, but I just subscribed again...

nice

I've had bread from a tube before.

i remember creationist cat...

❤❤❤

one thing that will always annoy me is the name breadtube is taken from conquest of bread, yet none of the youtube commonly recognised as breadtubers aren't at all radical, instead they're mostly just 'progressive'

@dylankennedy4539

2 жыл бұрын

Depends on your concept of radical I suppose. Both Natalie and Abigail have made some pretty radical points. Natalie literally did an interview with noted American *fugitive Chelsea Manning. I find it weird that Abby Martin, ya know someone who strictly talks about war crimes is never included in this category. Same with Intellexual and Mexie *I stan Chelsea but she absolutely was a fugitive when they did that interview together

@Dave102693

2 жыл бұрын

Progressive=post civil right movement “New Left” liberals.

Pretty sure you're the first "leftrube/breadtube" youtuber I subscribed to

it’s amazing to me that bell hooks passed away without comment but on this in December 2021, the going trauma for the breadtube community is that Lindsay Ellis “retired”.

Al boost 🖤💜💙💚💙💜🖤 Much love!!

Honestly, I never understood what people meant by "breadtube", and I still don't. To me, "leftube" means popular and mostly English speaking KZread creators, making left leaning content pertaining to various media. Considering that most of these people are North American, their version of "leftist" isn't really the same as mine, because I'm Scandinavian. I will also add that I think some creators that might be considered by themselves or a few fans as being "lefttubers", might not make the cut in the eyes of the fans, because they haven't grown enough in popularity, or their content is too niche. I noticed many people mentioning some specific creators they think should be included in this category. Compared to the other more popular creators, I don't really watch them because their content focuses too much on very specific topics and viewpoints (often very niche) that aren't really relevant to me. Contrapoints' videos are appealing to everyone because of the way she structures them, in order to make people outside her perceived core demographic give her a chance. Some specific creators are perhaps too lecturing or repetitive for the audiences liking. I'm surprised you weren't included though, but perhaps you need more subscribers? (subscribe, guys!)

You're in my A tier

at least for the ppl i follow, i see you recommended all the time.

Comment for the algorithm. Also you're S-tier to me bby

Thank you for pointing this out. This whole dissemination of "leftube" is so bizarre to me because it feels like this term was created by the audiences. And then creators got wise to this and it seemed like it just became this thing where people had to figure out what it is from the creator standpoint. Then people got mad they were left out and then it just created this situation where we have to hear so often about what is what and who is who. This is my problem with labels in general because it incentivizes people to think in narrow terms. I honestly wouldn't care if it was just fans bickering because I don't really care what those people think, but listening to the creators talk about this eternally I feel is just distracting from the discussions that matter and engaged audiences in a positive way.

The Church of the Algorithm officially certifies this video in the ones and zeroes of The Recommending Holiness.

@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm

2 жыл бұрын

T1J, you'll always be relevant to me.

I'd make a case it was a shared desire to remain empathetic in an atmosphere that really told you to do otherwise. The word seems to be a attempt to label a relationship dynamic between a group and a group of individuals the old para-social thing. To me it allowed me to confront a lot of my internal bias in ways I didn't thing were possible. Which as a result made me shift more "left" which I still think is just being more considerate/ empathetic in my real world interactions. Emotions were always a more ephemeral creature not really wanting to be fully enclosed. Maybe a word or two that described that malleable dynamic.

imo there seems to be a few different definitions of what lefttube even means? like there's: 1) the video essayists (often media/culture critics) that just happen to be left wing, regardless of if they do or don't make content about it (lindsay, jenny, big joel, etc) 2) the essayists that actually make leftist political content and analysis (contra, f.d., YOU lol, etc) and of those, there seems to be two more sub categories: a) the people who've been on "lefttube" for a long long time and are basically all friends with each other (philosophytube, hbomberguy, kat blaque, etc) b) the "next gen" lefties or the lefties who've just recently gotten more attention (khadija, yhara zayd, tee noir, etc) idk, i think the reason all these creators are lumped under the umbrella of "lefttube/breadtube" has more to do with the fact that their audiences overlap (ie, you watch contrapoints and start getting recommended lindsay ellis), whether or not their content could even be considered political/leftist. plus -- the clique ofc. it just seems like a very loose, nebulous network of video essayists who cultivate similar and overlapping viewers.

youtube recommendations are tuned by The Algorithm to funnel users down rabbit holes in order to keep them on the app as long as possible. lefttube is one of those rabbit holes, which is why on the surface it feels like a coherent group of creators, but if you drill down the who and why get fuzzy.

Chapo would be proud of being F tier.

For the algy

this whole drama is so annoying fr

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To be fair, due to all of their theatrics, people have excuses not to bring up Kristy Winters or Steve Shives anymore.

@emdivine

2 жыл бұрын

Been out of the loop, used to watch Steve Shives. What happened?

@Bendilin

2 жыл бұрын

@@emdivine They became extremely petty and vindictive, tenfold what Destiny ever had. But Destiny's audience enjoyed and encouraged that toxicity.

@dylankennedy4539

2 жыл бұрын

ShoeOnHead absolutely eviscerated Kristy Winters. Her anti Bernie shit was really uncomfortable to watch, she really went full Karen

Leftists, progressives, liberals...have never had the network that Cons have. Cons have always understood the power of media and had had the money to make it "look good." LeftTube had to do it by themselves. The Cons had money and backing to hire writers, editors, and the right equipment. Watching Natalie led me to you, even though I think you've been at this longer. I don't see nearly enough Black KZread represented in my suggestions. It's probably the algorithm but some of it might be me. However, I can watch one stupid baking video and have a thousand more suggested, but even though I follow you, and Acho, with notifications on, I get nothing suggested. I like Lindsey, but she's a pop culture critic, not a political vlogger.

I think the labels are only particularly useful in retrospect, not so useful in the moment, because you'll never really know how creators will land until after all the dust has settled.

I hope Nebula takes off It is fine but needs a comments section

@blaqueup

2 жыл бұрын

Also to actually function on mobile devices and casting.

@sulljoh1

2 жыл бұрын

@@blaqueup Yeah it's not very stable

Here's a comment for the algorithm. May it serve you well.

Digging around in my memory, I think the height of "breadtube" was the hbomb donkey kong stream. Absolutely massive number of viewers, AOC, whatever. After that, there was an explosion of channels trying to ride that train, and a slow deflation in viewer numbers across the board over the next few years. I vaguely remember watching one of Emerican Johnson's streams just after where he was talking about making this large tent leftist pipeline, kinda like how the alt-right has a bunch of "respectable" figures, then less respectable, and so on, and it seems to work for them. idk if he created the breadtube label, but he is an anarchist and liked The Conquest of Bread based name and definitely promoted it. The label kind of expanded from these smaller startup channels (or older small leftist channels) and fans of larger channels to just straight up include the larger channels themselves. The arguments about who gets to be in breadtube (as mediated by the subreddit) always seemed silly to me. For a long time it seemed to want to be "left-libs and anarchists, and also these big channels". No idea what it's like now.

Blood for the blood gods. Comments for the algorithm.

People - all of us - are just as likely to wave the flag of the establishment as we are to wave the flag of the counter-establishment, just as long as we get to wave a flag.

@FosukeLordOfError

2 жыл бұрын

Semaphore club

Hey idk why but I was subscribed to you back in November and now I’m having to subscribe again. I was wondering why I never saw you anymore :/

In the way that I have encountered the term "lefttube" and such I thought it mostly described the algorithmic recommendation drive which pulls different channels together. Lefttube being these channels that often get recommended into each other which people grouped as "left-wing video essayists". In that way it also makes sense that people would associate it with specific friend groups since that pull is even stronger there. To a point I believe it even explains somewhat how channels with mostly apolitical content end up being viewed as "lefttube".

I just feel like if you are socialist leaning and on youtube, youre breadtube T1J was the fist black breadtuber the algorythm served me up

Ironically, this video isn’t on Nebula (yet?).

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It's great to see how you have shfited your content as the political climate on KZread has shifted too.

Honestly I'm new to left KZread media (didn't even know it was a thing), but I got introduced to marxism and socialism as whole by leftist youtubers like Hakim, Second Thought, and just recently Yugopnik. I feel like these names are never mentioned in any leftist youtube videos

for some reason I got unsuscribed, maybe I did it, I tend to forget things. Did anyone else had the same situation?

Fans who crossed over between contra hbomb and philosophytube made the subreddit breadtube. They crossed over because it's very obvious at the start of their popularity these youtubers primarily supported their friends, which only changed when people were starting to critique so many basically self styled breadtubers that they made the critiques of them having big channels because of financial, white privilege and then helping their friends make more money too, when they and their content originally very much advertised as more radical than they are to maintain an audience. Their fans, coming from the right wing, got memes to laugh at and a community without having to do much except change their politics on a superficial level, and the spaces devoted to these youtubers kept getting criticism until double downs, fake apologies and fan dogpiles silenced them. Now we get minor entirely youtuber pushed dramas about things that a small number of their critics offhandedly say which they make out is a big harassment campaign when it just isn't. In my mind breadtube is currently defined by leftists using right wing tactics against critics to get media attention and form a clique which no one criticises anymore.

Wait... why did you point to David Pakman and call him "Hasan"?

@truthbetold8233

2 жыл бұрын

I'm assuming it must have been a joke because he also called Hasan 'Vaush'.

@truthbetold8233

2 жыл бұрын

I've just watched it again and I think his cursor is simply moving quicker than he's mentioning the creators/channels. He hovers over Vaush, then moves to Hasan and says Vaush. Then moves to Pakman and says Hasan.

@T1J

2 жыл бұрын

i dunno. maybe a sync issue

@Blabla130

2 жыл бұрын

I mean have you ever seen them in the same room?

New group idea "dread tube" featuring black creator that don't fit the left tube mold.

remember when the flat earthers immerged into the og aethist/creationist/christian debate days? looking back now, that had to be nothing other than intentional psyop to help drive discourse/discussion.

What's a politics?

Hes saying that leftube/breadtube was a clique and thats true but they weren't like a real clique, it was more like fanfictiom where a group of fans tried to associate a bunch of loosely connected KZreadrs most of which did not really know eachother irl.

This is interesting, I never saw leftube as an “in group” but I’m kinda oblivious. I’ve always considered leftube to just be.. people who talk about leftist politics lol. Definitely including you. I love Lindsey but she doesn’t do much political content, she comes across an ally though

@dylankennedy4539

2 жыл бұрын

Also Jenny Nicholson?? She puts out great content but theres only so much politics involved with Star Wars, MLP, and themeparks