The only thing that would make that ending better is if the chopper had a farmer in it

@idemanddonuts

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, just watch them reenact that

@CrazyOwen1114

Жыл бұрын

no no no

Anyone else really wish you could get sunshakes from the sunshake machines in the villages? Even if it was just 1, would be pretty cool

@scottb9494

2 жыл бұрын

A sunshake recipe in the cook bot or a special machine a sunshake warehouse would be cool. The sunshake machines should act as a container for sunshakes and WOC milk. BTW how about a randomly encountered WOC bull who chases bots and players

@paulshort4703

2 жыл бұрын

I think there was a mod from someone who made it so you could pay for one with bearings

@squallstopher608

2 жыл бұрын

The Fant mod allows you to use the Sun Shake machines as a storage container for all food items. It also allows you to craft a single Sun Shake for 10 Metal-1, 5 Bananas, and 1 Milk, which is actually a net loss since a single Banana and Milk provides more food and water than a single Sun Shake does...

23:50 I laughed so hard I was in tears. "OH NO!!!" followed by silence as the helicopter just flies away, gold. " I literally built the kill switch to prevent this from happening." I'm pretty sure this qualifies as irony

Just have to expand the claw to hold 2 farmers now since they are so lightweight. Maybe put in a pin to stop the farmers when you hammer them in so they don't shoot out the other side.

@Nexus-oc4dr

2 жыл бұрын

nah, expand claw in front and behind of the current one, so that there is 3.

@Dozav7

2 жыл бұрын

And claws on the sides for 5!

This is why you never EVER put flier thrusters on switches. Also beds. You always put a bed on your flier too.

@kederaji

2 жыл бұрын

spoilers

@zh9664

2 жыл бұрын

stfu bet you don't even have 2.5k hours

@Jonas_Mikkelsen

2 жыл бұрын

@@zh9664 lol

@EricLinstone

2 жыл бұрын

@@kederaji This is why you never EVER read the comments before you watch the video. Also beds. You should be watching from bed.

@jbeamer11tv

2 жыл бұрын

@@EricLinstone lol

Pulsing thrusters reduces their thrust by the same amount as their fuel consumption, so you don’t gain any efficiency. However, it would be more efficient if you used variable thruster pulsing for height control instead of rotating the thrusters, because then the thrusters could always be angled at e.g. 75 degrees which would direct 96,5% of the thrust directly downwards. Right now, the thrusters seem to be angled at around 30 degrees on average which only directs 50% of thrust downwards. In my experience this also would improve controllability because the response of pulsing logic is near instant compared to rotating bearings.

@magica3526

2 жыл бұрын

if you halve the thrust via pulsing and point further down it'd increase the efficiency

@pascal2085

2 жыл бұрын

​@@magica3526 While I get the hunt for low fuel consumption, I don't think it's worth it. Fuel is so cheap in this game. The oil ponds are infinitely large and you just need a pump, two chests and a craftbot. But of course, using the thrusters wisely is really important, because a single lvl5 thruster takes 50 component kits.

@aretzky6647

2 жыл бұрын

I have 5 switches: 1st and 2nd are pulsing logics with different pause length (0 and 1 tick delay on timer block), 3 and 4 are for yaw steering, 5th is a full thrust. 1 fuel canister under driver's saddle + 1 large chest in front + 1 electric motor on back for pitch control + 4 thrusters on top with fixed downward position and 1 bed on back for easy rescue mission after not predicted circumstances like at the end of this video XD

@Beregorn88

2 жыл бұрын

@@pascal2085 it would increase the autonomy, since the fuel tanks has a limited size...

@moonriseoversunset9611

2 жыл бұрын

I've been digging through patch notes and dev logs to see where this change is but I cant find anything on thruster except for a problem occurring on the lift when the seat connected with a seat and fuel container. Granted I dont know if this was tweeted out or not as I mostly looked that the patch notes around and after scrapmans video came out. If you have the link to where thruster were changed that would be great.

Honestly kAN is doing so much for this game. I haven't touched the game myself in so long, but I still love to see what he posts. He's a vital part of the Scrap Mechanic community!

The Player: *buys all the guns at the same time* The Trader: Who does he think he is? *Background Check* The Trader: An unemployed human that crashed in a spaceship? Alright then, that seems normal This is random

@King54the1st

2 жыл бұрын

dwarf*

@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890

2 жыл бұрын

just some sketchy dude buying 4 different guns all at once

@ampstudios4169

2 жыл бұрын

@@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890 but what if he failed the background check and that's the reason he's selling potato guns instead of the real stuff

@garand70

2 жыл бұрын

Not a robot? Approved.

I have made a complete fool of myself here at work as I just laughed out loud at the chopper taking off...kudos you two...kudos....

you guys gotta make a helicopter landing pad on the top of one of the tree so you don't have to park it down in the field or just laying around on the grass!

@Gmer-ez9wx

2 жыл бұрын

yep thats number 1 priority

Watched the other one last night. I like seeing both perspectives.

I love how yall squabble like brothers.. this is how you know all the stories told during "Story Time with Kan and Kosmo" are true.. lol

15:47 the way the piston contracts to act like suspension and slow them down...satisfying

To make a fuel container pull from a chest you need to put three left facing pipes on the chest, hook up a logic gate to a controller, put a switch and a button next to each other, hook them both to the logic gate and paint the botton blue. It's as simple as that guys.

@landendaggett6946

2 жыл бұрын

Does that even work

@scp-049

2 жыл бұрын

@@landendaggett6946 Here, I'll go test it in a Creative world

@laox1830

2 жыл бұрын

It does not

@scp-049

2 жыл бұрын

@@laox1830 Poggers

@csar07.

2 жыл бұрын

Just reconfigure the discombobulator for optimal results.

for your next chopper instead of a claw to carry the farmers just maybe try a box framework with a bar that comes across the opening like a door, you wont have the problem of trying to get the farmer to stop directly under the center since it has only 1 opening, you wont have the problem of the bearings on the claw straining while trying to hold on to the farmer and you can expand the box design to fit 2 farmers at a time.

If the farmer weight is negligible, you could extend the claw (or add additional claws) toward both the front and back to allow the helicopter to carry three farmers at once. Added bonus is it’ll probably look even more spider like.

THIS is why they should put a sensor array behind the pilot's seat as the kill switch. Just put three sensors in a line with the middle sensor in the middle of the seat and the sensors will detect you while you are in the seat but can kill it the second you fall out. Scrapman uses this method on his mobile base in his nomad series to deploy/fold up his base when he gets in to drive or gets out to do stuff.

That's why you should install a dead man switch or simply use a button. With your two seater setup the front seat has to hold the button to generate lift while the other seat controls the helicoptor. Or use a sensor setup like ScrapMan in his Hank-Tank.

kill switch should be an AND gate. so the pilot can't fight it if the copilot turns it off, and more importantly, accidentally turning it on wont actually turn the thrusters on.

they should make it so you can buy component kits from the trader but it be really expensive to buy them

You should put a sensor next to the seat that detects when someone is sitting in the flyers seat :D That ending was amazing though! Really didnt expect that.

"Helicopter flies faster than a truck" It's hard to argue that trucks are bad at flying :D Don't worry. It's just my midnight humor

The Intro to Each Video should be feeding Betsy

I did do some testing a while back with pulsing thrusters. It wasn't what you would call a definitive test, but it would seem that pulsing thrusters does save fuel at the cost of thrust. You can of course compensate by turning the thruster up a bit, but that uses pretty much the same amount of fuel as not pulsing them. I came to the conclusion that if there is a way of pulsing thrusters to save fuel without compromising thrust, then I don't know what it is.

KaN: don't type paddle boat. Me: paddle boat

For the boat you could try putting downward trusters on it with just enough power to make it sit on the water's surface so as little of the boat is in the water as possible, probably not very fuel efficient but maybe it'll help with the speed issue.

for the boat, you might try building a sort of hydrofoil underneath out of bubble block to see if that can make it go faster if the whole body is out of the water

While that variable tilt thruster idea makes it very controllable it uses SO much more fuel. I made an odd flier and I'm not sure others have done this. I make it like a car with the 4 thrusters connected to bearings powered by and electric engine. I leave it on the lowest speed and put some stop blocks so it can go all the way forward to all the way back to provide lift and thrust. Then I use a suspension glitch to steer (with the bearing at only 2%), another to stabilize it, and a third connected to a controller (right button) to tip forward as it angles up when thrusting a tiny pit and this brings it back down. The thrusters on only the left button. This makes it VERY easy to control. I have a gas tank, a beacon, a storage container, some headlights, and a bed. I put about 6 concrete in the front to help balance it when going up and down. I probably get 3 times the distance with the same amount of fuel and likely go faster. I did build temporary stilts so I could cage in a farmer and I could carry him fine. I do not want to leave it on as it adds a lot of weight I do not need most of the time. I use the flier for exploring and roof hopping cleared warehouses for the loot chamber. I just load up a bunch of fuel and a 10 beacons and go wander around marking warehouses and farmer locations. Then I go get the RV and load usually around 3 farmers onto it. I have had the game kick me out of the seat for some reason and even though my thrusters are on a button and not a switch it still took off. I have a beacon on my flier though so tracking it down is much easier. Sucks you just refueled it.

You should have the kill switch with an AND gate, with the throttle switch, with its output into an XOR gate, with the throttle switch, so the kill switch can only kill the thruster

My glitchless survival flier has Off + 7 levels of thrust via pulse width modulation and a sequential up-down selector. Fuel consumption and thrust is equivalent to duty cycle. Works great. Allows finding "hover" thrust for varying loads.

@Dozav7

2 жыл бұрын

That’s actually amazing. Nice solution!

@scottwalker6386

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dozav7 Ya, it does alright. Its attitude is provided by electric motors, because they seem to be silly power efficient. I've got one 2-axis gyro for orientation detection (pitch, roll), and 3 single-axis control moment gyros for attitude control, all powered by electric motors with a single battery box that lasts basically forever (i've never had to refill it) pitch and roll are not controllable (it keeps itself oriented flat) so all you need to worry about is forward, and downward thrust. Downside of it all is that it uses 12 thrusters (6 for lift thrust, 6 for forward thrust), and probably 40 or 50 logic gates as a "flight computer" (PWM generator, selector, automatic pitch/roll attitude control, unexpected-exit safety shutoff), so it wasn't cheap by any means, but the suspension glitch bugs me (mostly because its stabilization effect feels *really* unnatural), so i was stubborn about not using it. Ultimately though, it seems to fly a LOT better than any of the glitch survival fliers I have seen

@Dozav7

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottwalker6386 - That sounds incredible and worthy of a series of videos! I can’t even imagine how a 2-axis gyro would even work! My flyer just has 4 thrusters and a 12 logic gate setup that deactivates whatever thruster for the direction I want to head towards. If the main thrust is off, then it enables the opposite thruster instead. Very simple, but requires a lot of practice flying. Moving the fuel tanks and storage to the perimeter of the craft helped stability quite a bit.

random ideas for next flying thing build: a cargo heli that can carry a minimum of 4 packages / 4 farmers, 6-8 chests, and can also land on water.

@glenmcgillivray4707

2 жыл бұрын

I would expand the claw to three. One front one mid and one rear for triple farmer productivity. Just load them evenly.

Coming from someone who's lost 4 flyers and had to recover a runaway flyer more times than I can count, weld a death bag on your helicopter. The death bag icon is permanent and basically a beacon for the player that spawned it.

THE GAS THING WORKS! i just built a boat that has 5 thrusters it used 48 gas on a 1min trip on consistantly and 30 on 3 logic pulse

Posible solution for feuling, put a vacume pump between the chest and fuel container. It shold auto refill

Its funny that scrapman just made a video, busted that myth/idea about connecting fuel with the chest

Always weld a lootbag you get for when you die as a beacon on your flyer in survival. lol Just leave one item in it to keep the beacon bag.

I would suggest building any thruster powered vehicle out of a light material like cardboard or bubble block. Bubble block has the advantage that it's really cheap to build.

instead of a killswitch you could add a sensor to both seats yeah its more expensive then 2 switches but its still worth it for the freak accident moment like this

@EricLinstone

2 жыл бұрын

He tried that one time and the character is just so bendy that the sensor stops picking it up sometimes.

@Timicro16

2 жыл бұрын

@@EricLinstone then you put more sensors. Haha

also kan, you should do the same test SM did to find out if pulsing saves fuel. It should only take like 2 fuel to try so would be bad to give it a try.

@scottwalker6386

2 жыл бұрын

Ultimately, the fuel response is linear. If you fire the thruster at a 50% duty cycle, it will use 50% of the fuel and produce 50% of the thrust. This means there's no efficiency to be gained by "pulsing" alone. However- it does allow for the creation of a more efficient flier, because you can avoid off-axis thrust, which is wasted fuel. (I.e., every degree off-vertical of your thrusters in a level hover is a decrease in lift fuel efficiency of 1.1%)

You should make the controller angles for the thrusters naturally at the angle which lets it hover. It will save you time just waiting for them to adjust after putting it on the lift and its a simple and easy fix. just my opinion :))

I have to say the chopper taking off without you guys was the funniest thing i have seen in a long time thank you for that happy little accident.

I never played scrap mechanics or trail makers but I do watch You and Scrapman as my Asmr before sleep haha

the silence after it lifts off. I feel this.

Always a fun time when it’s a co-op or multiplayer video. 😎👍

Nice, it's 3:20 AM for me, let's go watch a 26 minute long video which is about 2 dudes torturing poor old men, who have been caged for ages.

I want to see a land vs air delivery challenge. While a truck can hold more cargo per trip, the helicopter has an easier path. Which can deliver more cargo?

You guys should make a paddle boat!!!

Guys can you put more lights in the base and outside also. If u can, make a giant spotlight that shines at the trees

19:46 "Is it "farmer" to do truck?" The world may never know 🤣

I've played a LOT of scrap mechanic survival. I was surprised it picked up the farmer. The front and back of the claw don't both need to open. Might make it easier to get the farmer centered under the claw, if say the back two fingers were stationary. I can't help but think how much easier it would be to load the farmer if the chopper was on pontoons, on the water. Water is flat, so it's easier to move the farmer around. Really enjoy watching you guys figure stuff out.

If you swap out the xor gate for two nor gates, hook up the first nor gate to the second nor gate, hook the driver's switch into the first nor gate, and the kill switch into the second nor gate, if the kill switch is on, the thrusters will turn off, regardless of the driver's switch's state, but if the kill switch is off, the driver's switch has control.

Fly away lil chopper, be freeeee!

22:35 it cracks me up so bad that it split me in half 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

8:38 I am preatty sure that trucks don't fly XD

You should make cranes on the back of your trucks, or just build a crane truck. You could extend the frame a bit and then build the crane up to the cab.

you can weld and pick up the death bags on your lift btw, probably max durability

Kind of a late response, but I do play scrap mechanic a lot, and pulsing thrusters significantly reduces thrust, in fact, 50% on 50% off gives 50% thrust, I use this a lot for analogue control of thrust using pulsing systems that are 0% on, 25% on, 50% on, 75% on and 100% on for tilt controls on flyers using fewer thrusters. some Gyros also use a system with controllers that pulses sensor outputs based on how far it is from the centre so you can hook it straight to stabilization thrusters, and it will have gradual analogue stabilization in vanilla.

Oh damn, imagine if you had a boat to chase down that chopper :D

I don't know if you guys have done this already, but the default angle of the helicopter should be a neutral amount of lift so that you can easily hover in place.

Sensors like in Scrapman's Hank Tank to make sure the pilot is in the seat.

If you 2 are going to do a race you should add a stopping post for perfect alignment

kAN its nice to see you putting videos out this time.... before scrapman and moonbo

I have not played scrap mechanic in a long time. I actually thought survival mode was not even out yet until I watched this video lol.

Hey kan the air carrier is almost ready for debut it can carry farmers fruit crates and stuff and it can carry you warehouse tank! Starting price for the bluprint is......500,000 potatoes dont worry since im giving it to you ill sell it for a price of 300,000 potatoes so wait for the debut of the one and only AIR CARRIER

I nearly suffocated from laughing so hard when the chopper took off!

hi kan! just here to tell you that if you 360 no scope a cow it will drop a specific switch that can be used to turn on the encryptor! If you put the encryptor on a big wheel and hit the wheel with your hammer five times with the enctyptors attached to the wheel you can collect everything in the warehouse!!!!!!!!!!! trust me I've done it before!

@owenpasha790

2 жыл бұрын

*woc

Ooooo build a helipad, I think that would be really dope

for your co-op survival world remember when you did the huge farm with iballisticsquid and you said you would never make a huge farm yet you and kosmonaut made a huge farm

At least it didn't take off on its own with the farmer attached!

They should put pistons on either side of the claw with a block on the endto mean you hit it against it to get it into place and they can be retracted separately for use on either side

lol that ending caught me off guard so hard, I was dying

I love this series kan but you posted this right as I was about to sleep guess I’m whatching this know I have no Choice

well kan i dont think you will skip the guy in the comment that knows of the gas canisters, because there is just no way to cleanly make it suck out of a chess only straight from vacuum pumps but would probs be too janky for such a small gyrocopter. so you can just ignore everyone who knows thinking to have the answer haha

Well kAN and Kosmo are officially Team Rocket.

This episode needed a post-credits scene.

I don't think I've laught so much whe the chopper lifted off, "oh no" LOL

That’s why i put a beacon on my flyer XD

You should put a sensor for the driver seat, so it detects if there is no driver.

Kosmo really be tripping me out at 12:36

Kan: It's a good boat, it's the water that sucks Me: That's not how this works...

IF farmers have no weight then maybe have a 3 way clamp system and have 2 clamps on the sides so that it may be more efficient. (Sorry if this is a dumb idea)

That ending tho lmao

You guys should do a giant survival walker.

The chopper has a slight imbalance that makes it slowly tip backwards... probably a little weight distribution... but then again, that's what made it crash when it decided to go joy riding, so there's that. The pulsing thruster thing still does work... you can fine tune the timing of the pulse, and the power of the thrusters, to make the vehicle neutrally "bouyant"... and then you have a button on your console that full fires the thruster when you want to go up... I usually leave it so that in pulse mode, it sinks slowly, and that's basically my landing speed... with a pulsed setup like this, it will never just take off on it's own... and even if you accidentally jump out of the seat while flying, its natural tendency to sink will eventually bring it down if the fuel doesn't run out first. Another option is sensor that detects pilot and shuts off thrusters if he's not there... it's kinda twitchy, cuz as your character "jiggles" in the seat sensor detection goes wonky, you can solve with more sensors, but meh... love you guys' videos!

Maybe have a sensor checking if someone is in the driver seat connected to the engines so it cant fly off without anyone flying it.

You should use mounted spud guns and sensors as an auto defense for farm bots greenies and smaller stuff like that.

i always wondered about using pulses to adjust lift like having different stages of gradually increasingly faster pulses maybe using and gates to add more ticks to the loop not sure how the automation would work

@scottwalker6386

2 жыл бұрын

It works. My flyer does this. It's called pulse width modulation. Building a PWM driver is pretty easy. A loop of logic gates, with an equivalent number of PWM gates that are OR'd with every loop gate lower on the stack than them. The selector logic (to pull a specific PWM gate into the actual thruster drive gate) is a bit more complicated, but if you don't have mad logic chops, you can just select a few with hard-placed switches. Plus the thrusters look really cool when you're doing it.

@loomko

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottwalker6386 is a pwm gate a mod

When Scrapman did the test in his survival world, he pulsed thruster ran out AGES before the constantly burning one. So dont listen to the ones using 100 year old knowledge. Or just run a test yourself. Also R.I.P. helicopter ('-')7

Do farmers still have the one weld spot on the top/bottom of the cage? Not as cool as a claw chopper, but could just place a few blocks on the bottom of the chopper and weld multiple farmers to it then break those blocks to drop them. Would have to have an even number for balance obviously

You guys should still try the pulsing thruster stuff because yea it might be

Also y’all should try to make a hydro foil boat. Honestly I haven’t tried it but with Scrap physics it might work. I’d do it in creative first to test it.

When I saw the claw, my first thought was of those Crain games where you move the arm to grab up a prize (or at least try to). Wonder what a giant Crain game would look like in SM

Scrap man has proved the pulsing thruster is more fuel efficient

Head shots are real! You know this! During a warehouse run... ever noticed 1 shot to the head kills a tape bot... but it takes 2 to the body! And why am I re-watching the same video again???

I wonder if it is possible to build huge distance catapults in this game. if yes, you could build some pernament structures angled so you can fire crates from packing stations to the trader

James Bond Claw Finger was a good one....

i honestly would like to see yall try a land train like the usa did in the cold war

Perhaps build in a sensor to prevent edge of map issues.

Genius idea! Make a paddle boat trust! Lmao

You could pretty easily adapt this to carry at least 3 farmers.