Big shout out to Jay Taylor for helping with this project and having the patience to finish this build. While this video is 10 minutes in length, he was at it for a solid 4 hours. So many thanks Jay! Finally, for anyone interested (after the weigh in), the Trifox X10 frame size is a medium 54.5 top tube. Cheers, Cam

@DavidSmith-hz3jg

Жыл бұрын

He was biased all the way through.

@phil_d

Жыл бұрын

New store right next to the Prince of Wales XXXX pub! 🤣

@inferno4001

Жыл бұрын

Maybe post the entire build video as well? Always nice to see proper bike build videos!

0:32 that cheap blue grease is lithium based not clay. You absorb chemicals through your skin... I don't know about you, but I eat with my hands 3 times a day. Try spilling some diesel on your hands and then try to eat...for 3 days you'll still smell it. Even if that grease is odorless the chemicals don't just wash off easily, it takes weeks

I seriously love build videos like this! Bang up job on the bike, can’t wait to see some more content with you riding it.

Awaiting for Hambini to chime in 🤣

@CamNicholls

Жыл бұрын

I am sure there will be many with their binoculars out for this one Patrick!

@robertkeefer1552

Жыл бұрын

The pen will be working.

@AG-el6vt

Жыл бұрын

Hambini did a review of this frameset a year ago, but it was sent by the manufacturer for review: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aoRst9uSiJDaXdI.html

I have essentially the same build Trifox (X10, Sensah, Elitewheels). My build process was smoother without some of these nagging issues like fork and seatpost, albeit I used different bars. Put a little over 1000km on the frame and haven't had any real issues with it yet. What's evident from the various reviews that are either positive or negative is that Trifox really needs to get their QC under control.

@DavidSmith-hz3jg

Жыл бұрын

Cognitive bias ask the way through.

@michael1

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidSmith-hz3jg Or a shill account.

Most entertaining bike build I’ve ever seen 😂

@jaejaejaejaejaejae

Жыл бұрын

When the music starts as he's struggling with the front end...

"There´s a lip here".. BANG! Malletblow!! Could sell that mechanic one of my round files and some emery paper. Rgr

I am a little confused about the complaint about the cable routing through the frame. I see he has the rear gear cable run through the right hole in the downtube (and the front on the left). But I run them the opposite way, with the rear going the the left hole and vise versa, so the housing does not rub against the headtube. I know you can stick helicopter tape on the headtube to prevent the housing from abrading the paint, but I would rather run the housing to the opposite side and not have them rub the tube at all. Plus it makes for a smoother bend of the housing from the handlebar. Also, I would use cable liner on the cables running under the bottom bracket to prevent them from rubbing on the bare carbon, so I would not consider that a legitimate complaint either.

@taylorcycles1931

Жыл бұрын

All 3 cable grommets were for gear cables, the brake/disc grommet should have had a lager hole for the full length cable. Also the runner for the rear brake was pre run into the front derailleur lines.

@trekkeruss

Жыл бұрын

@@taylorcycles1931 I watched Hambini's Trifox review from a year ago, and now see the ports on the left side so I understand the problem now. Thank you. I wonder if he was sent a curated example for review, because he was rather impressed, given the cost. His was a different model, though. Regardless, since your example had faults, Trifox may not have good quality control over their production.

Haahah this is by far the best and most hilarious piece of bike build I have ever seen. Keep it up Cam/Jay!

Great work as ever...my new favourite bike double-act

They didn't got it the wrong way about holes, that's how they do it here in china, front brake with rear derailleur and vice versa 🤦🤦🤦

@AG-el6vt

Жыл бұрын

Yeah WTF, these guys don't know cable routings are different in different countries?

Oh dear, love it, thanks for the video Cam 👍

Interesting to see. I just finished building up an elves frame with their handlebar. And I have to say, it was the total opposite. No Issues at all, everything was in perfect condition and went super smooth. So looking forward to your elves build now!

@taylorcycles1931

Жыл бұрын

Hi Sam, I'm looking forward to building the ELVES as the quality looks to be the complete opposite and built with love. I think it deserves a better group set?

@samueltrumpy4433

Жыл бұрын

@@taylorcycles1931 Yes, it really is the complete opposite. The quality is outstanding and the painting is great. Oh and they have a really nice support team too. I put a SRAM Force AXS onto it. And I think that`s the least what that frame deserves. :D

@ronb9901

Жыл бұрын

Good to hear, I’m down to the elves & Winspace. Your thoughts??

@samueltrumpy4433

Жыл бұрын

​@@ronb9901 I already built 4 winspace bikes. They are simply perfect as well. So you won`t do anything wrong with either of them. ;) I don`t know about the riding quality of the Elves yet though, because it`s winter here and I don`t wanna waste a completely new bike. :) I bought the Elves frame primarely because you can chose your own colorway completely and the painting looks super nice. What I can say about the winspace(s): it`s great! They do ride at least similar or even better then any high end western brand. I have an SLC2.0 and a T1500 as my main bikes at the moment and I love both of them! The SLC (rim brake, about 6.3Kg) is an awesome climber and decents like a rocket. The T1500 (disc brake, 7.3Kg) looks super awesome and rides superb too. I already did around 10`000 km on those roadbikes and had no issues, nothing, no creaking, no faults, they just work. Since I bought my first winspace, I am done with any western brand to be honest. First, because I love building bikes and second, because it doesn`t make sense anymore to spend a lot of money just to have a known logo on your frame. :D I hope that helps a bit. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. :D

@ronb9901

Жыл бұрын

@@samueltrumpy4433 thanks so much for the info!!

Been waiting for this video!

I think for making your mate put that together you should be forced to ride it for a full crit season.

@CamNicholls

Жыл бұрын

hahaha! Very good. Although I am thinking of auctioning it off for charity instead. The parts are good, at the very least.

@taylorcycles1931

Жыл бұрын

Haha!

@_AJH_

Жыл бұрын

Only ridden on weekends

@taylorcycles1931

Жыл бұрын

Make sure you have FULL health insurance Cam!

@jamiekecskes1177

Жыл бұрын

Bike wont last a full crit season.

"What are you going to do? Hit it with the rubber mallet again." LOL!!!! Love it!

i really wish you just build the elves and build again when they give you the UCI version, just to make comparasion

As you say its certainly not a cheap build a sheet of wet and dry would sort out the roughness on the fork tube i would rather a tight fit than sloppy fitting however lets see the finished bike and your experience with the ride thanks Cam.

@taylorcycles1931

Жыл бұрын

In my 27 years as a bike mechanic I've never seen a steerer this bad.....

I have to say Cam,i had a Trifox x10 and yes it did have minor issues but i fitted e-tap and hypers so it rode well to be honest...BUT .....i have now purchased a Elves Falath and my bike builder has absolutely RAVED about it saying its better that all the big brands he has built before! The paintwork on the Elves is second to none and the fit and finish is amazing.

This is a pretty similar experience I had with the X16, except I bought handlebars from Toseek, my first bike build, didnt know what to expect, it was ok overall, love these video!

@extraspicywasabi

10 ай бұрын

I've had two pairs of Toseek carbon bars, on two bikes. The first bike was a roadie only. The second pair I put on a steel frame that had wide tyre clearance. And I would ride it off road with my 2 year old in a baby rucksack. The bars cracked, but, they're probably not designed for that kind of abuse. Daughter is 4 now, and I switched to alloy bars after the crack. I think the crack was due to my abuse. The first road bike and bars, and application used for, definitely good bars for the price

Great video! I have a trifox X18 frame and the build went really smooth. No issues with the seatpost, bar, stem, Frame nor fork. All from trifox

@tankusbuilds2801

Жыл бұрын

I also have a carbonda cfr 696 (gravel bike). Carbonda does have a better build quality, but they didn't have the geo I wanted for a road bike.

@CamNicholls

Жыл бұрын

Interesting to hear. Thanks for sharing on the thread.

@jacklalalaful

Жыл бұрын

it is RNG if you get a piece of shit from them or an "okay" bike.

I really hoped the rubber mallet was going to be accompanied by a squeaker noise ! 😂

well, I've been following Hambini & oz_cycle for years. I think I'll trust their opinions a lot more than a mechanic that puts together a carbon bike with a hammer.

@CamNicholls

Жыл бұрын

Let’s not forget Gary from Carbon Steed was quite critical of the Trifox. Did both Oz Cycle and Hambini buy the frames or were they given them? I don’t know myself.

@paolo_siega

Жыл бұрын

Exactly the handlebar issue could've been worked around with a little sandpaper, but instead the man just whacked the body of the stem with a mallet. Not really confidence inspiring

@taylorcycles1931

Жыл бұрын

The Rubber Mallet displays an artist mirror of the frame quality....

@borano2031

Жыл бұрын

@@taylorcycles1931 I would NEVER trust a "mechanic" who uses a mallet on ANY bike, regardless. Rgr

@taylorcycles1931

Жыл бұрын

@@borano2031 Your missing the point, I would never and never use a rubber mallet on bike build! The quality was so bad i would not have built this bike up for a customer.

Well done to Jay Taylor for putting up with such a badly manufactured bike. All part of the experiment, Cam. Great learnings for all. Well done Cam.

@jesseladd6864

Жыл бұрын

They are hit or miss. QC isn’t consistent but most companies are excited to hear about your product. “Hey the seat post and fork are giving me issues” usually will get you freely shipped product under warranty every time

@saveriodipoce2201

Жыл бұрын

I undestand the frame is cheap,what do want for 600 dollars,he is not making things look good for him either.Use the hammer,that will fix things.There is a product out there called sand paper,he could have used it around the fork and handle bars.I going to stop watching the video here.I get the message,go and buy yourself a 5000 dollar plus frame and you will not need the sand paper.That's what you think - i have build very expensive bike,at time you do not only need the sand paper,You have to send the frame back to the Mfg.Ciao from Italy.

I had my x16 built up with only very minor issues such as rim bike caliper fit tight and head set bearing fit tight to frame as you captured in your video. The seat post on mine fits perfectly and doesn’t have plays when it is toques up. Otherwise, it has ridden nicely and feels stiff in fast bunch rides. It seams like the seat post was rotating a lot side to side for your particular model was before it was tightened up? I think you can confirm that😊. Anyways, I am excited to see you make another video for first ride/impression!

@perjensen3738

Жыл бұрын

Made x16 for a friend. I could just copy paste your view. It is an excellent Bike.

Great video as ever, would be interested to hear more about the groupset and wheels 👍🏻

The music during the fork/handlebar section is awesome. 🤣🤣🤣

Worth my 10mins! Can't wait for your ride review!

MOAR bike build videos!! There is just something mesmerising with bike builds.

I believe this is my new go to bike build video when invariably I come to that WTF moment while tackling the never ending N+1 project. We’ll done on the production as always Cam!

@robertm1552

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Cam

Always enjoy that guy building 👍

Never had any of these problems with my f12 aliexpress build running on boty wheels & sram red mech. Everything fitted perfectly and the bike solid 18 month and 4k later.

Having built an X10 and and X16 I can report on the following facts: the X16 had some paint overrun on the front drop outs (fixed with a bit of sandpaper). The X10 had tight clearance of the brake and shifter cable around the bottom bracket (fixed with a file). So how does the X10 ride? Follow up video please 🙂

Jeezo! Well done Jay. Well not be buying a trifox anytime soon!

I bought and built a Trifox X18. Had similar issues. Saddle clamp didn't even work (had to buy trek one that fit). It does not ride well. It has flex in the bottom bracket and lateral flex in the fork and rear dropouts so it does wonky stuff in turns (not confidence inspiring... can't crit or road race a bike like that). Pissed because I have like $2K US invested and I probably can't sell it, maybe should just part it out and eat the loss. Bought a used tarmac SL6 for $2750 and that is an awesome crit bike.

@CamNicholls

Жыл бұрын

Interesting to hear that Travis, thanks for sharing on the thread.

@simonwarmer8777

Жыл бұрын

Second hand SL6 value for money 👌

Gonna watch the entire video later but just wanna say that I built 3 cheap road bikes around the similar price point and they are insane!!! I will never buy a bike for more than 3000 euro again!

It seems that your treatment towards this brand is unprofessional, because it’s not a well known eastern brand like Seka , Yoeleo, Winspace, etc. I have friends that have this exact frame and have no issues with it , and didn’t treat it in the way you guys are treating it in the build process. I’ve seen many times even in western brands that parts of the frame were not finished properly, the fact is carbon frames are made in China and in Taiwan “about 97% are .” Fact the biggest brand Giant is an eastern brand not a western brand like the big three Trek, Specialized, Cannonade. Giant for “FACT” makes Specialized and other well known brands. Guess who makes Cervelo? ,,,,,,, Elves an eastern brand makes Cervelo frames for world tour teams, but they don’t want you to know this but it’s “FACT”,. They just don’t want people to know the big secret. Essentially we all are riding Chinese, or Tawain made carbon bikes …………. I know for a fact you would not treat other more known brands this way.

@BlackDesertPandesal

Ай бұрын

agree

@mihailionut5192

11 күн бұрын

Most people that live in the world of big brands don't want to know the ugly truth, that is a FACT 😂. I have this frame for 2 years now with Sensah Empire and Juintech F1 brake, Elite lightweight , no problem and i have above 10k km, so.....

Excellent for beginners and daily commuters

Thank goodness Old Mate is back

If anyone is still complaining about price/finish quality/etc. there’s always the route I take is New Old Stock/Used Vintage!

Give that fretful mechanic a beer XD Love your content! Always interesting and funny.

Laughed a lot - Just made a note to NEVER buy a Trifox ... Thanks Cam.

A nice contrast to the typical asmr premium bikebuilds :)

You should have a look at the new ltwoo hydraulic groupset, just been released

Thanks for the video

plan on buying the frame.. you saved me Cam. 😂

It looks nice. Like to see how it rides. From the look of things in the build there may be some issues.

If anyone looking for a affordable fully build "UCI Approved" carbon aero race bike. You can consider "Java Fuoco J-AIR" (2021). The specs are pretty good for the price of just $1200 USD. - Full Carbon bike inlcude wheels / Handlebar . - Aero frame / Handlebar . - Fully integrated cables . - 50mm loud hub aero wheels. - Shimano 105 . - UCI Approved . You can see the bike on my channel. That video equipped with Sram Red but thats for racer, you can get the normal version with Shimano 105 for $1200 USD. This bike also ridden by a spanish pro team called JAVA KIWI ATLANTICO.

Jay is a very patient man, lol!

Hey Cam, are you still riding on your 165mm cranks? How are they treating you? Cheers from Canada

@CamNicholls

Жыл бұрын

I am not unfortunately. Been swapping too many bikes around this year to make it work. I'll be back on them in 2023! My hip flexors are hating me right now.

Chinese brands i trust: Winspace, Yoeleo, Icann Chinese brands that seem interesting: Elves Chinese brands that are a gamble: probably everything else.

@yonglingng5640

Жыл бұрын

I've yet to see the inside of an Elves. I'm thinking of buying a borescope one day to see the insides of framesets from various brands.

“Hey Jim, pass the mallet. Yeah, the big one.”

Use all the parts (wheels groupset etc.) on another frame of some repute

Cam how do you like the wheel?

That isn't actually a cheap frame as well. Shocking build quality

I’ll buy it, seems like a tight fit

Built up 2 sets of X8, had the same issues with my headset bearings, felt real sketchy installing the bb, had to sand away the paint to get the brakes and wheels to be installed

Cam, do you think if you had sent that frame back and demanded a new, pointing out the faults etc they would have sent you a new one?

@pierrex3226

Жыл бұрын

They're not faults, they're tight tolerances. It's very possible that the issue is with the handlebars and not the steerer, for example. Which is essentially the main issue there. Either way some sand paper would shave down a hair and Bob's your uncle. Sorry, the seat post flex is an issue. Not sure about that one.

@davidsteel4139

Жыл бұрын

@@pierrex3226 if that bike turned up at my house with those problems , it would soon be going back. The mechanic mentioned about the cables rubbing and possibly breaking if not dealt with is in my opinion a fault.

Tentando achar defeitos onde não existe ,chinese bikes são boas, funcionam e são preço justos.

Love the content Cam! Maybe Luke (Trace Velo) could be brought in as a consultant? Definitely appears that some “Adjusting” needs to be done. Hopefully someone from Trifox can provide some advice for using their “Product”.

@CamNicholls

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I did reach out to Luke on Instagram a while back! I may need to email him. Would like to get him involved in some content! Love his humour.

@QuickQuips

Жыл бұрын

Oz cycles also deals with lots of Chinese and Taiwanese bits and is worth reaching out to

@abedfo88

Жыл бұрын

@@QuickQuips isn't he in prison these days ?

@glennoc8585

Жыл бұрын

@@abedfo88 yeaj

@QuickQuips

Жыл бұрын

@@abedfo88 Dang. Had no idea. He posts once a month so I couldn't tell. Maybe he knows how to make carbon fiber shanks.

That mechanic is the funniest guy,no joke,go head to head with Seinfeld. 🤣🤣

I can't believe the prices of old top of the line rim brake bikes on Facebook marketplace. I just bought an S works sl3 with full dura ace and then a set of Reynolds arX carbon wheels all up spent 1800 bucks. Bike is stiff as a rock and 6.8kg.

@borano2031

Жыл бұрын

2012 Cervelo S5, full Chorus, no wheels... $1050,00??? Rgr

Just curious if that was the thru axle that was being backed off at the 8:00 minute mark?

I wonder if it was possible to get the rotors and calipers aligned

Afgelopen winter heb ik een trifox frame opgebouwd en dit is zo bekend. Er zitten best een hoop design fouten in en de kwaliteit is op zn best matig te noemen. Hij zal wel niet breken, daar ben ik niet zo bang voor maar je plezier word snel verziekt door het gekraak en het opbouwen was een gevecht tot het bittere einde, wat een kutframe !!

It's jumping Jay Taylor.

Can you make a different review of the wheelset? I am tempted to buy this one but I am not quite sure if it's a good buy.

@CamNicholls

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I may stick them on the Elves when it arrives. Out of the box I was quite impressed but would like to ride them for a while before making any serious opinion based claims.

@xjuux548

Жыл бұрын

@@CamNicholls thank you soo much. Will be waiting for that video.

wouldn't he want to sand those tight areas down? forcing the parts in would create stress areas, I mean there should be some give but i assume it could lead to cracking.

Drawing for straws to see you who is doing the test ride!

@CamNicholls

Жыл бұрын

haha

Well I know what I want for Christmas!🤣

Send this build straight to Hambini

Thanks for saving me money and stress :)

One thing I have noticed is all of the Chinese manufacturers have one thing in common. Cheesy names for their bikes. If you want to be taken seriously you don't call your creation Trifox.

@joules2936

Жыл бұрын

If you look at many western brand names without the benefit of their history, you could probably say the same thing. E.g. Specialized - if they didn’t exist and a Chinese company came up with the name, we’d all take the piss.

One day you have to try delihea frame

This is sick! Is it safe to ride?

I wouldn't dare to take my bike to this professional mechanic.😢

Cam you should have called this one "How to piss off your mechanic!" Entertainment 10/10 Trifox frame 0/10.

@taylorcycles1931

Жыл бұрын

Haha Classic!

took me until 4:02 to realize cam and jay are, in fact, 2 different people

One of the risks of buying a cheap frame.I guess they just bang them out all day quickly to sell them

Next vid will be this VS aluminum bike with same price cap.

Some significant design tolerance and design routing issues highlighted! From reading the comments it sounds like the manufacturing output is inconsistent and suffers from a lack of proper qc. For the money though, is it worth it? You will have to ride it, race it and get some significant distance on it to find out. 👍

yes you do! never leave a trace...

I guess take away is it's still better to shop second hand like damn 2000+USD is still a lot of money for a bike and that's coming from the owner of a Giant TCR Advanced lol. I mean, I'm definitely stretching that mark with my bike (I've basically gone full AliExpress besides the frame, the finishing kit and the Shimano Tiagra cranks), but when I was a kid I thought spending over 1000$ on a bike was bonkers but then again back then you could buy a carbon tcr with 5800 105 for like a little over 1000$.

@invisiblescout6335

Жыл бұрын

Or get a winspace or elves frame

@dan_lazaro

Жыл бұрын

@@invisiblescout6335 True was going to get the avari at first but a TCR came at an even cheaper price Edit: The TCR was 2nd hand but it looked brand new when I checked it so I took it though it's a 2012 model

so you pretty much threw 3k AUD to the bin hey ? :D

GOOD JOB TRIFOX ;-)

Problem with manufacturing in China is often quality control. That's why you see special "review" unit that are handpicked sent to @Hambini & the like and they are always flawless. You will also see in this comments people swear that they got one and it was "perfect". The only mistake you did here was paying for it.

Thank you for making an honest video about these frames. Seems like all the other cycling youtubers are saying great things about TriFox but Ive always expected that they were paid in some way to give there positive reviews. Keep up the great work!

@85shoggun

Жыл бұрын

the same with me. I bought a Trifox X18 frame after finding only positive reviews on KZread. I had several massive defects in the frame that could only be remedied with a great deal of time and money. I've been discussing with the Trifox customer service for months without any result. Instead of a good valued frame, I received a very expensive piece of crap.

@MegaXtc11

Жыл бұрын

I have an X16 Quick Release, no issues so far and almost 4,000km in.

@564typeR

Жыл бұрын

@@MegaXtc11 nice to know some people are having good experience with this brand. I guess it comes down to their quality control. Hopefully they can fix these issues moving forward. As a community we need to raise our voices when we have problems with these frames and get the word out!

Pretty much all the issues you had were with the frame and bars, so defo stick the wheels and groupset a chance on another frame.

Bad day at the Trifox office me thinks! Should of bought a Yoeleo, 3 bikes in no issues.

I've never had a stem to steerer issue like that bike. At least the bearings is t sloppy 😮 Seems pricey cam as you can get a carbon polygon with 105 disc and carbon wheels for 3k. I reckon I could build that for under 2.5k. I know that frame had issues but they were easy to sort and you're mechanic is a bit heavy handed with you bike mate irrespective.

You could get the frame resprayed with one of your Aussie words down the side... Hubbard or Bogdan would work well to describe this bike :)

I finished my build. The rear derailleur hanger snapped had to get another one still waiting

@CamNicholls

Жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that Terrill, I assume the same groupset?

@terrillford7784

Жыл бұрын

@@CamNicholls the Empire Groupset? Yes.

@terrillford7784

Жыл бұрын

@@CamNicholls everything looks good but ran into the same issues with the handlebars and routing

Saves so much electricity compared to the heat pump. Wish it was a little less noisy.

It proves that if you think you can pull one out of the box and just put it together, you're not going to be able to do that. But just how serious the issues are isn't clear since nothing was measured, e.g., was the headset tight because a little bit was sticking out that needed to be sanded off or was it tight because it was too small all around.

As someone who has done a fair bit of work on AliExpress/cheaper stuff from asia, this coulda assembled a bit better with more prep/sanding and research. Hope the mallet on the handlebars/other parts doesn’t break over time

On a side note I see that windspace has borrowed your logo redesign.

@CamNicholls

Жыл бұрын

That was their old logo I grabbed, so they've gone back to their own original, must be.

If you buy a Trifox frame, be sure to buy a big mallet as well.

9:51 the look on his face says it all...

@cyanomical

Жыл бұрын

scarred for life

Launch it off the ippy bridge into the Bremer.... It'll bounce off the island of shopping trolleys and sail off down the big brown snake.

This us going to be beyond interesting. Gives new meaning to "Cheap Chinese Bike". The frame is absolute garbage. Can't wait to see what happens with the Elves