despite all of the confusion they had in this, the pure joy of just seeing people expiriance this era of gaming (even if the games they played wasnt the best of its time by any means) is just fun to watch. would be interesting for them to revisit this with some more higher-end games of the time. see how it runs half life, quake 3, unreal, the first 2 fallout games, i can go on and on. i know they probably wont do that as they are busy with more modern builds, but its a nice thought

@OutsideDuhBox

29 күн бұрын

Confusion. That's the word..

@misterthegeoff9767

29 күн бұрын

without a sound card and a graphics card from the time I think they are stuck playing older dos games mostly.

@readycheddar

29 күн бұрын

I can almost guarantee that machine cannot play anything requiring 3d acceleration. Not very well, at least.

@theGURUman

28 күн бұрын

yeah, I was wondering why they were playing mostly built-in and DOS games. back when I was rocking Win98, it was all about Doom, Quake, Tomb Raider, Deathtrap Dungeon, Half Life, Unreal,... but I quess their onboard GPU is 2D only.

@ThePuuFa

6 күн бұрын

@@readycheddar On the contrary, VIA chipsets actually had pretty good 3D acceleration for late 90's games and excellent 2D for dos so it's not a bad choice for something like this. The real problem with this system is the sound card though.

Buys a windows 98 pc and plays games on it that are 20 years before its time.

As someone who is turning 37 in 2 weeks, I feel personally attacked by this video. This must be how Boomers feel, but I don't have a fat 401k or a house that has quadrupled in value to wipe my tears away with.

@2048Megabytes.

15 күн бұрын

Happy 37th birthday

@UNATCOHanka

5 күн бұрын

Hope your 37 is going great 🎉

@KaitenKenbu

Күн бұрын

Ha too true. They didnt even try to play all the killer 90s games. No starcraft, no mechwarrior 2, no system shock.

Not a NASCAR fan by any means but I can’t let that slide. “Dale Earnhardt” when he’s holding a Jeff Gordon car/mouse 😂😂

@nicholasswain5430

29 күн бұрын

😆

@Booth73

29 күн бұрын

Bro I literally came to say the EXACT same thing. Damn calling dale, Jeff gordan is a damn disgrace to dale.

@jforce321

29 күн бұрын

I had to come here and say in place of my uncle he hated Jeff Gordon with a passion lol

@SeeJayPlayGames

29 күн бұрын

@@jforce321 I never understood why Jeff Gordon got so much hate.

@justina1909

7 күн бұрын

@SeeJayPlayGames cause he was a young, liberal, california kid who came into a sport full of old southern "good Ole boys" and proceded to wipe the floor with all of them. His entrance into the sport also coincided (and probably helped) Nascars entrance into the cultural mainstream (for a time being America's 2nd largest sport behind the NFL). So long-time fans had a perfect scapegoat to blame for any changes with the sport they didn't like.

hey man the clear plastic is the classic 90s aesthetic i think its super nice

Quake III - 1997!!! Duke Nukem - 1995! Unreal Tournament -1998! although, i dont think the via chip with igp can handle those games... nice video guys

@Keullo-eFIN

29 күн бұрын

Quake III - 1999 Duke Nukem 3D - 1996 Unreal Tournament - 1999 FTFY

@Ranimetion

28 күн бұрын

@@Keullo-eFIN My bad, it's been a while I played those games ;)

@Keullo-eFIN

28 күн бұрын

@@Ranimetion no worries buddy :)

You need to install Team Fortress Classic and Half-Life.

If you were British your channel would be called ‘The Brother’s Toasty’

Also for those DOS games, i believe you just need to hit Alt-Enter to exit fullscreen and then you can close the window normally

feel like you missed an opportunity to play duke nukem and command and conquer games but that did look like a fun blast from the past

Being 42 and still gaming on a pentium 200 with a voodoo1 with windows 98, i really enjoyed this video. I noticed 2 games they had in there, street rod and street rod 2, that were more in the dos era than win98. You should probably try some quake or some era accurate ones, not games from the 80's that ran in my 486

Suggestion. Do a part 2 and review the comments for all the great games that were not covered. Also not using a CRT monitor for this video is a war crime. Anyways glad to see folks interested in some older gaming history. :)

Toasty Bros, thanks for this. I have a Windows 98 SE Compaq Presario desktop. I hope yours has Windows 98 Second Edition on it.

This is cool to see retro PC's being brought back to lifeagain!

You can play that exact same Sim City 2000 on Win 11. Works perfectly since some guy made a patch to get it to work on x64 systems.

I'm in my 30s and i cringed.😂

When they emptied the box I was like where’s the pc😂 but it was in jacks hand 😂 heavy duty

VIA makes a lot of embedded/industrial boards. They're low power, but the performance is, middling, though good enough for their application. VIA got the X86 license through Cyrix, which was the third chipmaker back in the 90's.

@louism771

3 күн бұрын

Maybe 15 years ago I got an old thin client from Wyse (which now is part of Dell) from the recycling center and it was very similar to this system. It had a VIA CPU and a pico PSU too and unlike most thin clients it had a very small IDE HDD. The CPU was passively cooled though. Happy to see some of these things survived and get upcycled to retro gaming machines. You may be able to pair it with old PCI graphics cards too. Depends whether the custom case and ease of setup are worth 300 bucks to you though

oh my gosh!!! Does it have fuses and other resistors on the board? Wow old school man!!! nice one

I remember Dig Dug. I also played age of empires 1 and 2, buggy(1998), hamster ball(2004), etc. I loved playing this game as a kid in the 2004-2009(I was born 1999). I even remembered playing need for speed 2 on the old celeron pc.

I always saw those old VIA ITX boards decades ago and wanted to build something with one, but never did!!! COOL!!!

Remember that all the old Star Wars games were made for Windows 98, but also Roller Coaster Tycoon.

USB came out in 1997, there was a custom Windows 95 USB edition released that added USB support, Windows 98 came with USB native, and it upgraded the partition to 32bit. Windows 98 SE (Second Edition) added USB 1.1 Support. The reason they are confused with the pins here is that USB 1, 1.1, and 2 were all the same exact physical interface. But it may be a surprise, most modern pc's cannot negotiate USB 1 on the internal headers, but USB 1 devices usually work on the rear usb ports.

The Street Rod II "2nd letter in line 3 on page 10" That's old school DRM, you would look in the game manual and type in the letter.

VIA was mainly a chipset maker in the late '90's, but they did make some x86 CPU's, like the "Joshua" CPU. And that "9-pin" port was a serial port. USB before there was USB. And speaking of USB, Win98 did not natively support USB, that came with an update later on, and that was only USB 1.1. The motherboard likely does not support USB devices - they only work in Windows. And yes, PS2 ports are not hot-swappable. I'm just a bit older than you guys - 60 - so I remember all this.

@willdavis2716

29 күн бұрын

Iirc, win95 was the one that didn't natively support usb until an update. Win98 had usb baked in from the get go...of course not well. Anyone remember the bsod as ol billy was demonstrating how easy it was to connect a usb scanner? Good times.

@donaldsing9898

29 күн бұрын

Retired pc tech (age 70 years)can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to tell end users to power cycle after reconnecting KB/Mouse/Monitor😂😂😂

@johnhudson7055

29 күн бұрын

Actually via was only a chipset maker until they acquired cyrix.

@ThePuuFa

6 күн бұрын

The motherboard most likely does support USB keyboard and mouse like most did back then but for some weird reason it was usually disabled in the default bios settings. So if you only had a USB keyboard you had to borrow a PS2 keyboard just to enable the bios setting to be able to use your own keyboard outside of windows. Fun times😂

Oh man these games brought back the nostalgia lol. I'm 32 so I was 8-10 years old when these games were out.. I did play alot of them. In that game Stunts you can actually make your own race tracks, I remember making insane impossible tracks filled with obstacles and having my friends try them.

My PC use goes all the way back to DOS 3.11 that I grew up as a kid, then a 6 YO me was playing Red Alert 1. Kept complaining of it being slow until my Dad got a new Blaster PC System from Creative with a 64MB RAM, a 400MHz Pentium II, 10GB Hard Drive and a Radeon 7000 GPU with 64MB RAM. Quite funny that my VRAM had the same amount of RAM as my system RAM back then! Blasted Duke Nukem 3D, Diablo II, Tiberian Sun, Red Alert 2 and somehow able to chug along CnC Generals quite adequately after upgrading to 384MB RAM, 40GB HDD, and a GeForce 2 MX400 despite needing a CPU with double the clock speed (800) that I had!

I have all the parts for a Windows 98 PC that I used to build my first one in 1998, except for the case. I already have an XP one I built last year and am going to build the Windows 98 one sometime in June. I built my first PC in 1998 just to play "Half Life."

Not sure, but perhaps you have to use https in your url to view your site (at least what might be displayable in such an old browser).

Shoots me some nostalgia! I started out with Win98 but all I used were buggy and glitchy mess.

In the BIOS is where you enable legacy USB support, the mouse will work.

my kid is your age, 26 (27 in sept.). he first touched a pc when he was 1, and got his first when he was 3, an old 98 box he played sim city, and his arthur games on. by the time he was 5-6, he had an xp box playing the need for speed series, then unreal, quake, and half-life...

I like Toasty Bros because they review every tech products I can imagine in a very unique way (btw the device im using rn is a dell optiplex from toasty bros website shout out to them)

@ToastyBros

28 күн бұрын

Thanks for the support!

I'm 45 years old and not cringing one bit. PC gaming was not easy back in the MS-DOS era which is why PC gaming took so long to take off, especially in Europe where the Commodore Amiga and Atari ST ruled the roost. Fair play for giving it a shot, this would be like me going back and getting an Altair 8800.

You young pups. I remember going to a midnight opening of Incredible Universe (now gone) when I was in college to buy the brand-new Windows 95! The place was packed and all you heard playing was the Rolling Stones "Start Me Up" playing in the background. I remember buying a copy of Windows 95, the Plus software and an additional 4MB of RAM to get me to a total of 8MB. Buying all that got me a free Microsoft Windows 95 remote control Indy Car. What a great night.

What. Where is it pci?? I need it for logic sound card

to bring some light to what the pc is and why it looks different to a regular motherboard. this is an embeded pc. the cpu is a soldered bga x86 chip by Via(no support for anything x64) and you would find these in industrial uses like in big photocopiers running a print server. or in industrial factory machines(production line machines) or even ad displays in like McDonalds drive-throughs would have one of these enclosed in each display. in most cases they would not run windows. but a unix/linux kernel. which is why the seller is 3d printing cases for them. they were not in pc cases, they would be enclosed in the machine and have no human interaction with it nor have a keyboard/mouse attached to it. depending on its use it would ether just have power. ethernet for remote access and a monitor. or would have no display conection and would only have power. ethernet and rs-232(serial) to the machine it would run. and thats all they did. they would run 24/7 for years. so the seller has found all of those from old scrapped machinery and instead of having them scrapped as ewaste he is making them into retro game pc's

I played the absolute hell out of Street Rod when I was little. 43 now. Dad was IT I've had a PC in the house since 1986. I even put it and a couple other games: Death Track 2000 (I think), and Retaliator, on 3.5 floppies and play them in certain computers in HS in the late 90s. Wasn't cutting edge at all but I was playing computer games while at High School, it was fun.

@nickinderrieden7630

29 күн бұрын

Street Rod: For anyone interested... You start with $1,200 and you use the Newspaper to buy used cars, and car parts. Once you have a car you can race other drivers for cash or their car, referred to as "pink slips", or "racing for pinks". This game has a 1950's theme. As you win money you upgrade and even tune your car. You have a garage where you can have 3 cars IIRC, and you buy and sell your cars as you make money and win other driver's cars. Never played the sequel, but I'm sure they added assets: cars, parts, drivers, tracks, ways to tune the car, that was pretty much it for the original. These old games are what modern games turned into. Many of the ideas are 30, 40, 50 years old because they're practical and realistic. Glad you guys, as computer guys, get to look at what the rest of us were doing at that time. Also gotta get some AAA games from the time to test that dvd and apu. There were definitely some good ones.

Did they just put it upside down in the horizontal conifg?

I spent my teens on one of these, bro, cant remember half of high school, but i can remember everything about command and conquer red alert 😂

On my stock Compaq Presario I could run up to Madden and NBA Live 2003 just to give a general idea of how modern you could go with normal PCs of the time

7:40 i'm surprised you didn't use the standard USB to PS2 adapter that was released soon after Win98

Is it glow n the dark plastic?

My first "gaming" PC was a Win98 box and the game I enjoyed playing the most was Tomb Raider III.

Just seeing windows 98 in the title brought back painful memories of the page that will float from 1 envelope to the other when downloading or copying

So PS2 is not hot-swap, but it has a huge advantage over USB... a USB keyboard can only use 10 keys at once, if you press more than that (or can type really fast) it will just drop keys. Higher end keyboards will actually install as 2 or even 4 keyboards (seriously check your device manager) to overcome this 10 key limit, raising it to 20 or 40 keys... but a PS2 keyboard can use all 101 keys simultaneously. Which was actually necessary for some old programs like MechWarrior 3.

I feel old when i see this video. This games was my childhood!

I wonder if that’s a glow in the dark filament my printer uses some that color.

@lukesnukem17w28

29 күн бұрын

I was thinking the same thing.

This is incredibly cool

Watching the struggle at Lose Your Marbles was worth the watch. Loved this game when i was a kid and would play with my sis.

@ToastyBros

28 күн бұрын

0/10 we definitely lost our marbles

Awesome content as always guys. I LOVE the way the seller mixed and matched the old school parts with more modern add ons. Next time you want to be "surprised" perhaps ask for a PLEASANT Surprise? 😆

Can you review the Newmen gm326 gaming keyboard

VIA bought the Cyrix CPU company which had made x86 compatible CPU's from the 486-Pentium II era with the last Cyrix MII CPU was on the Super Socket 7 platform although some of the chips were labeled IBM instead of Cyrix. The CPU's us a PR rating for speed, basically saying of you had a 120mhz PR150 Cyrix CPU it would be as fast as a 150mhz intel CPU VIA CPU's were used in a lot of low end 2000's machines, they were Socket 370 compatible (Pentium III and Celeron) or imbedded (soldered to the motherboard) and were known to be lower power consumers. They were also featured on some of the first mini-ITX motherboards (VIA C3 CPU) which VIA created the standard for. Only problem back then is almost all the boards suffered from the capacitor plague so it was common to have to solder new caps. Now onto windows 98, yep until windows installs the USB HID drivers (which it has) USB keyboard/mouse wont work, i believe if you set USB in BIOS to Legacy it allows USB Keyboard/Mice to work in DOS mode/Windows without drives?-its been a while. As far as the Windows maintenance program, it basically just setup scheduled tasks for i believe disk cleanup and disk defrag. Although i will say it always felt like windows 98 broke way to often, given i still have my 98 product key memorized after 23 years (i switched to windows 2000 pretty soon after)

did seem like an open pci slot, should upgrade the gpu on it and play some duke nukem. would love to see some retro builds.

@SeeJayPlayGames

29 күн бұрын

it's just sitting there begging for a 3Dfx card, but I'm afraid it might need a riser cable in order to wedge one in because the case is too short.

@livingretro79

18 күн бұрын

@@SeeJayPlayGames the seller has a case expander for this exact reason, i shot a message to find out.

Old thin clients in a new box. Kinda want one but not for $300. Throw in a PCI radeon 9100/9200 or fx5200 for a boost in 98 era games.

That VIA board was a low power embedded board for industrial purposes. It would have been popular around 2003.

Played a lot of cnc Red alert back during that time. I was probably ten and sucked at it but had fun

Win 98 was so good. I remember getting in trouble at school for installing and playing games like Hot Rod and Doom 95. Yea, once upon a time PCs in school were like the wild west until us 80s kids ruined it for everyone, lol.

@josejuanandrade4439

29 күн бұрын

We had Doom demo installed in every pc in the pclab in Highschool. It was only like 1 level iirc, but man, we played the shit out of it LOL. That was my first experience with fps. Then we also had Wolfenstain 3d. The funny thing is... that wasn't students installing it... and it was in every pc... At the time noone had any idea of how to even copy that or anything.

@jqwright28

28 күн бұрын

@@josejuanandrade4439 I remember a friend that, looking back, had major hacker vibes, giving us all sharware discs and floppies, even some pirated games but I didn't know that at the time. That's what got me into pc gaming. Then I got my first pc and realized I had use to ms-dos for most of what I wanted to play. Had to read the manual because schools only taught us win 3.xx. It was worth it though.

@glanguish9390

27 күн бұрын

I remember taking sound bites from CDs and using them as PC shut down..... Rob Zombie shouting I can never die!! Lol. I can't do that with Win11

I'm surprised these guys who are around 30 were not more proficient with Windows 98. I mean, I'm 30, and I grew up with this OS. Ofc, maybe these guys didn't. Could not be arsed watching the whole video, because it felt like when Linus buys something old, only to mock it for the entire duration of the video. "Omg, this is so old, haha, funny, thins are more modern now, haha" - yes, very humorous.

The Via C7 Eden aka Cyrix C7 (I had a Socket 7 desktop version) was not a bad CPU per say... but the iGPU (a S3/VIA UniChrome) was buggy/slow in more advanced Win 98 3D games. There is a PCI slot on the board that could handle a PCI version of a Voodoo, TNT, or even a GeForce FX5200 so you can play 3D title in 640x480 (maybe 800x600) without it looking like a jittery crack addict with decent settings. You can put that board in a regular ITX case so you can actually put in a card. You bought $80 to $100 in actual hardware, and the rest is for the case that looks okay, but way overpriced while lacking better features. Interesting fact these were some of the first motherboards that use the ITX motherboard standards.

So interesting to see how retro hardware isn't for everyone. If you don't have affection for the games of the era it just isn't going to be fun. This is a single-board computer that would have mostly been used for industrial purposes (looks like a VIA C3) - it's faster than a typical period-correct 98 machine and designed to run 98 for industrial equipment and the like long after 98 was commonly used. I don't know what the onboard graphics are but they probably aren't great for any 3D acceleration and you'll want to use a discrete GPU for anything that requires hardware 3D acceleration. This would be a great machine to run Doom, Duke 3D or Quake (not GLQuake) on. Also good for 2D games like adventure games, Civ 2 / Simcity 2k, and stuff like that. If you want to see what it was like to run Half-Life when it came out and you didn't have a 3D card...this will show you that too.

I wonder why Windowa 98 didn't play the first time startup music. Maybe SE didn't have it.

Put a voodoo 3dfx in that pci slot. Think I still have one of those.

@SeeJayPlayGames

29 күн бұрын

that would be ideal. Unfortunately I think the case is too small. It looks like it would only take a half-height card.

@SeeJayPlayGames

26 күн бұрын

on second thought, you might be able to wedge one in there with a 90 degree PCI riser. Maybe.

I used to love that hot rod game.

Oh dear. None of those games were classic Win98 games. We had much better games than these back then. Was fun to watch you experience this PC but nothing about it was authentic. Nobody had a Win98 gaming PC with a Via CPU.

Loved me some Street Rod II

Basilisk is a browser you can install and use on windows 95 and up pc's. :3

Yes. EaseUs. Buy the product you'll use one time for a transfer because we want the money you didn't need to spend when you have so many other good alternatives to pick from that don't cost money.

@Inklers

17 күн бұрын

Stop. There is no way he's two years younger than me. Beard man over there.

Play Return to Castle Wolfensein, Medal of Honor Warchest, Quake III Arena and use 3D mark for geting FPS and almost forgot Half Life, Age of Empires II

these via boards were thin clients that came long after 98 but worked well with 98 because the sound card worked well in dos, they lack proper 3D support but work well for DOS and some 95 era software, I am 35 and this made me cringe thanks for sharing.

bros really dropped a dracula flow reference. legends.

Definitely different of looking back

Everyone knows, the only true way to experience Windows 98 is with the 38 disc Floppy installation set... that... was insane and I do not miss it.

@SeeJayPlayGames

29 күн бұрын

yeah, if you were a luzer and didn't have a CD-ROM drive. My PC had one in 1994.

@LGR Is this something that might catch your interest?

LGR for actual windows 98 gaming. Should’ve looked up games from that era to play on the machine.

But, can it run crysis?

when he said Dale Earnhardt for the Jeff Gordon car I cried inside

Idk. This is bringing back the early 2000s with. Transparent plastic shell

Sup Bros.That appears to be an HP T series thin client. They're a great choice for Win98 gaming and plentiful.

You could have playet A LOT more with that pc. I've played Diablo 1 on a Pentium 75 with 16 MB of ram! 1 Ghz is crazy. Starcraft 1 requires a 90 Mhz CPU!

Microsoft Plus was an addon for Windows 98 SE.

@SeeJayPlayGames

29 күн бұрын

yeah mostly themes and stuff, nothing major

Ah man, I was born in 82, this hits me right in the feels. VIA is chipsets manufacturer that support CPUs from Intel, AMD. Via is not a CPU. I was waiting for DXDiag and see if this beast can handle basic DirectX 3D acceleration....

@SeeJayPlayGames

29 күн бұрын

VIA is not a CPU? WRONG, grasshopper, VIA did make a CPU back in the day for Super Socket 7 (the most universal PC platform ever, could take chips from Intel, AMD, Cyrix, and VIA) called the C3. That's what this is. It's 1GHz but runs more like a 300MHz Intel because its IPC sucks. But that's okay for what you want to do with Windows and DOS. In fact it can even be downclocked and you can disable speculative instruction and/or instruction and data caches to get the speed down good and low to run old games like Wing Commander without being too fast, if you use a utility called SETMUL from DOS. But these guys wouldn't know anything about that because it's ancient lore. They just did this video on a subject they knew nothing about without doing any research and ended up looking like idiots. But I guess that's their brand. When I want REAL retro content I go to Phil's Computer Lab.

@iNubpwn3r

29 күн бұрын

@@SeeJayPlayGames Yes, it looks like they did, but those were not very common around my country, mainly just VIA motherboards from era of Intel Pentium MMX 233 for Socket 7. But it looks like they did manufacture integrated circuits, mainly motherboard chipsets, CPUs, and memory.

I remember playing Ski Free on windows 95

I used the same board to build my 98 machine.

if I remember correctly, you had to have the mouse and keyboard plugged in on boot, you couldn't just remove them with out rebooting also. took them awhile to figure this out y'all aint even that young

But can it run Crisis?

old fart here, Microsoft Combat Flight simulator, I ran it online on Windows 98, Pentium 133 . It will still work and is a lot of fun.

I only used 98 for a year or 2 when I was around 4-6 years old

Win9x No1 solution for everything: Restart No2: Reinstall No3: Goto No1

For those that do not recall the Plus! package was an add on for Windows 98. It would add more screensavers, desktop themes, and additional games. It had it’s own CD and packaging. If I recall you could buy them as a package deal later on.

these youngins talking about old PS2 ports...i feel my aarp discount kicking in.

Windows 98 is sort of funny. If your motherboard has serial pins. You can tap the USB into there.

i was already playing quake (1996) and unreal by 98, and unreal tournament online in 99. but, maybe your board can run a pentium 3?...doubtful. this seems more like a gimmick. you'd be better served building an actual period correct machine, and install a voodoo 3 !!

A lot of these games came out way before windows 98

No Unreal or Quake 3? 🙁

You completely failed not putting Heroes of Might and Magic in the video.

YOU GUYS MADE ME FEEL OLD! LOL

Have a second, older, pc. It's modified for dosbox (games like "Albion") and other older games, pre or early 2000.....

The only issue I can think of is the lack of a proper 3D graphics processor

I remember only having Apple IIe computers in school. You guys are so frick'n young! Kids!! Lol!