Praise God! May we represent God in the best possible way wherever he sends us and May he come back soon! God bless you for this video, we can now share it with friends and family. 💒

To God be praised for the continued amazing work that He has been accomplishing through our world body of the General Conference of SDARM and our selfless servants in spreading that old time religion imbodied in Revelation 14. For Christ is even now at the doors with His angels extending time (Revelation 7:1-4) a bit more for all the world to accept His gift of love that hung on Calvary's cross in Jesus Christ. Happy blessed Sabbath from the Cayman Islands brethren! In Jesus holy name!

@SDARMChurch

5 ай бұрын

God bless, Brother!

I thank mighty GOD of israel for raising this wonderful group of people for the benifit of kingdom of heaven..You are blessed and keep going and spread through the whole world with life saving gospel . Love you all.

@SDARMChurch

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for being here. May God bless you!

This is an nice informative video. Thank you brethren

Praise the lord. We are praying for sdarm mission in all the ways praise god. Amen sdarm srilanka.

@SDARMChurch

6 ай бұрын

Greetings to our church family in Sri Lanka!

After many years as an SDA member ,I think i am one of the most blessed person in this world, i was once lost in the wrong bible teaching and beliefs ,but thank God Almighty for your social medial materials .Thank you very much.

@SDARMChurch

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching! God bless you always!

Amen praise God 🙏📕

hope my request will kept your attention and interrest.

Ilove this God bless you

@SDARMChurch

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching! God bless

Greetings from Africa Country Zambia Lusaka city I have a question to ask and it needs an urgent answer from u. If a new couple church members preparing a wedding and approached the church and choose an officialting pastor from outside. the country.and couple to pay all the traveling and lodging bills. The church wrote to the field and field to Union. To call the pastor. But the Union President hijacked the invitation and refused to call the chosen pastor to come. For no apparent reason but intimidated The couple to choose him to do the marriage officiating not to call the one chosen outside the country. To do that. Now my quiestion is: Is there such a thing happens in our church of SDARM, of undermining church member's rights and abuse of freedom of choice.? If such things happening what should concerned church couple members do? Because it's common in our country Zambia as at now; new couples withdrawing their marriages from the Church and opted to go for civil state marriages at the civic centers for blessings than in the church because of the attitude of the Union President.and his committee Please help us before things goes worse. I am Joseph Kapala. Lusaka Zambia central Africa.😢

Good presentation dears, infact, i am one of your brother (Br. Franck Kambembo) in Congo DRC, Located in Lumbumbashi, i am actuallly leading the Local church named Present truth of Lubumbashi, i am interrested with evengelical materials (tracts, Brochures) how to get both in Kiswahili and French versions to support our efforts.

hi, really good video can u guys tell me which program you use to edit this video? Greetings from Mexico!

Kindly visit us in India. Regards from Rohum Basumata

Is the worldwide SDA church organization that originated in 1844, a fallen church now, and included in babylon? Some Reformers response to that question and say, 'no,' but they say its an apostatized church since 1914. So, if its not God's church now, and it is "apostatized" then, how could it NOT be called a fallen church or babylon, the biblical code name for spiritually fallen churches in the Bible( Rev. 14:8)? If the SDA RM claims to be the church of God at present, and the SDA church is no loger the God's church, yet NOT babylon or part of babylon, then, what right does the SDA RM has to exist as a separate church organization apart from the existing "Remnant" church which was established in 1844? Is the "loud cry" message (Rev. 18:4) the present truth of the Reform Movement? And what is the "loud cry message"? Who is "her" in Revelation 18:4 referred to? When does this message commence?

Whats the major reformation of this sect?

@kambembofranck7870

2 ай бұрын

Sabbath reform, Mariage, prayer, dress reform, health reform, present truth, 144000 truth

I want to get Baptize now. Am in western Nigeria. Who can help me with at least a minister that can Baptize me?

@SDARMChurch

Жыл бұрын

Hi Levite! We've been in touch via Facebook. God bless you!

Hello brothers! All good? So, my name is João Arthur, I'm Brazilian and I dubbed a video (divided into 8 parts) from Portuguese to English by pastor Alfredo Carlos Sas explaining and relating in detail the history of the Seventh-day Adventist Church Reform Movement, members of the Seventh-day Adventist Church who were expelled for disagreeing and refusing to transgress God's law by fighting on the battlefields and murdering people in the Second World War. Here is the link to the playlist with the videos: kzread.info/head/PLVVDW7sCHKDafsM2yNCdjFLtgN0fONiFE&si=zBQL8jxDQniRNFxL

Hi, I'm SDA. I learnt about this movement while studying about my chirch's history. I have learnt of how this movement started. Question: after so many years, why haven't the two church bodies found some way to be reconciled? Like, we seem to have the same beliefs. The split happened because of a 1920s decision. That was so long ago.

@SDARMChurch

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Milton, thank you for your comment! Perhaps this article can clarify a few points on where the two churches differ: sdarm.org/news-events/news/2015-06-09/sdarm-gc-president-interviewed-spectrum-magazine If you have any further questions, please send us a message via Facebook: @sdarmchurch God bless you!

@rogermetzger7335

2 жыл бұрын

Both of my parents were SdA when I was born in 1944. I thought of their personal lifestyle habits as conservative and I thought of our parents as “strict” with my siblings and me but I also thought of them as encouraging such habits among members of the congregations whose services we attended rather than trying to coerce others to adopt their diet and dress “standards”. Our parents had an extensive collection of Ellen White books (Early Writings, the Conflict series, Testimonies, Education, Councils to Parents, Teachers and Students, Gospel Workers, Ministry of Healing, and others). If for no other reason than that they read several of those books to my siblings and me, I was under the impression that our parents read all of the Ellen White books they purchased. I never got the impression, however, that our parents were followers of Ellen White. Our parents (perhaps our dad more than our mother) repeatedly urged me to read for myself, study for myself and think for myself. While I was a member of the Medical Cadet Corps in the early ‘60s, I agreed with most of the advice I was given but one aspect of that advice didn’t square with my perception that true Christianity is personal - not institutional. I was being advised to answer questions about seventh-day sabbath keeping by saying that I was forbidden by my denomination to work on the sabbath day. I was quite sure that to follow that advice would be to imply that I was merely an “adherent” of an institutional religion. For that reason, I resolved that, if I should ever be faced with that choice, I would represent my convictions as personal - not institutional. (I failed my Army physical in the 1960s so I never served in the military.) I don’t know when, exactly, I first learned about the Reform Movement as a separate organization from the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists but what I learned was similar to the information in an article in Spectrum magazine dated April 11, 2015, SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST REFORM MOVEMENT PRESIDENT EXPLAINS THE CENTURY-OLD CHURCH SPLIT (with the exception noted below). More recently, I became aware of something I perceive as another “movement” among seventh-day sabbath keeping adventists - people who refer to themselves as “historic adventists”. That’s a whole other subject but the “historic adventists” I have known like to think of themselves as believing what the pioneers of the advent movement “originally” believed and taught while conveniently ignoring evidence that not all adventists - even in the 1840s and ‘50s were in complete agreement on every doctrine. As I understand it, the Reform Movement originated because of a difference of opinion about whether men who served the German army during WWI, either in combat roles or doing any kind of work on the sabbath day, should be eligible for voting membership in the Seventh-day Adventist organization. The local conference voted to not make non-combatancy or sabbath keeping during combat criteria for voting membership. “2%” of the membership created the Reform Movement in protest of that policy. Other differences include restrictions on diet and marriage (particularly remarriage after divorce). The above-mentioned Spectrum article includes a sentence about “The participation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church during World War I...” which I understand as intended to imply that the German portion of the Seventh-day Adventist organization was officially pro-Nazi and pro-war. I’m afraid I don’t know whether or not there is historical evidence to support such an implication. My personal view is that any religious organization can adopt any behavior they want as criteria for voting membership. One of the reasons I don’t identify with people who call themselves “historic adventists” has already been mentioned - the fiction that there was perfect doctrinal unanimity among the pioneers of the advent movement. Another reason is that some of the doctrines of each of these various factions are purported to be biblical while some of those same doctrines (even some with which I agree) don’t have sufficient biblical support for me to be dogmatic about them.

@SDARMChurch

2 жыл бұрын

@@rogermetzger7335 You're absolutely right, Rober. We need personal convictions above all. To clarify, the SDARM take a position as "conscientious objectors" when it comes to military participation. That means, we do not bear arms, whether on Sabbath or any day, nor affiliate ourselves with any military organization or serve in the army.

@rogermetzger7335

2 жыл бұрын

@@SDARMChurch Please consider yourselves under no obligation to answer my question. Within your organization, what steps, if any, do you take to minimize three things the nineteenth-century adventist pioneers seem to have wanted to avoid or minimize, namely, the tendency for religious organizations to become hierarchical, creedal and dogmatic? I’m not an eccumenist in the usual sense of that word. I think it is appropriate for Christians to create or maintain organizations for the purpose of doing more effectively or efficiently what we consider ourselves called to do. I think it is appropriate for such organizations to emphasize specific aspects of the many truths about the creator and how he relates to members of the human race. I don’t favor “laying aside our differences” in order to make it easier for members of these various organizations to work or worship together. In the Christian church at large, the organizations that have the most behavior criteria for voting membership or for participation in such things as the Lord’s supper seem to have the greatest tendency to hierarchy, creedalism and dogmatism. Within the Seventh-day Adventist organization (at least in the United States), the officers of smaller congregations tend to be more dogmatic than the officers of larger congregations. Were the pioneers’ concerns misplaced? There will always be people who are actually attracted by dogmatism - people who actually want to be told what to believe and what to do and not do. A longer list of behavior criteria for voting membership fosters the we-are-it syndrome and there is no question that some people find that sense of spiritual superiority to be very attractive. If attracting such people to an organization can be facilitated by representing a religious organization or its leaders as having spiritual authority that nobody else has, it is easy to understand why that attitude toward non-members tends to be self-perpetuating. I was fifteen years old before I (rather suddenly) realized that the use of the word “Church” when referring to a particular organization tends to foster those tendencies. My guess would be that, during the forty years that H.M.S. Richards Sr. was the principal speaker of the Voice of Prophecy radio broadcast, he had veto power within the VOP organization. I listened to his broadcasts hundreds of times and heard him speak at several camp meetings, one evangelistic meeting and one funeral. He sometimes preached about the seventh-day-ness of the sabbath. He more often preached about the second advent of Jesus. Even more often, he preached about God’s forgiveness and the inspiration of the Bible. I don’t remember him ever appealing, in his sermons, to Ellen White’s writings as the authority by which to interpret the Bible. Regardless of the subject of his sermon, his preaching never seemed dogmatic to me. I think he did expect Seventh-day Adventists to measure the success of the Voice of Prophecy mostly in terms of numbers of people who joined the denomination as a result of the efforts of his organization but he seemed to be more focused on encouraging people to trust the Lord than on encouraging them to trust a religious organization or its officers. I have been - both before and after I became a voting member of the SdA organization in 1959, more interested in promoting the advent movement than in promoting the denominational organization. I have never sent my tithe to the Voice of Prophecy, Faith for Today, It Is Written or other parachurch organizations. I believe the tithe should be used for no other purpose than the support of full-time gospel ministers. At the same time, I think there is a need for one or more LAY organizations that are evangelistic in nature and that minimize the tendency to spiritual pride by NOT using the word “Church” in the name of that/those organization(s).

@SDARMChurch

2 жыл бұрын

@@rogermetzger7335 very interesting thoughts, Roger! Thank you for sharing. It's definitely something we must each consider. Where our hearts are. May God help us to do all for His honor and glory.

I'm from DRC and I haven't come across this reform movement. May you please help us so that this movement may reach our country?

@SDARMChurch

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Amani, thank you for reaching out. We have several locations in the DRC, and we'd be happy to place you in contact with our local brethren. Please let us know what's the nearest city to you.

@kambembofranck7870

2 ай бұрын

i am a reformer living in DRC as well located in Lubumbashi, where are you writting from?

@kambembofranck7870

2 ай бұрын

also the movement is here in DRC since 1972 if i have a good mind

the General Conference of SDA is still the true church, not this General Conference of SDARM ... how can you prove that EGW said you must to leave the GC of SDA ??

Reading the books of the New Testament, we perhaps asked ourselves more than once: *"Why 2000 years we do not see those miracles that accompanied the Сhurch of Christ in the I century, as described in the New Testament?"* Why do the so-called preachers of Christ have to prove that Jesus really existed and atheists boldly deny the historicity or divine origin of Christ? Maybe because the Сhurch of Christ has not existed for 2000 years? The Сhurch does not exist in the form in which it is presented in the books of the New Testament, but there are Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant and other christian sects claiming to be the place of the Church, but they not have the only thing that distinguishes the divine from the human and is characteristic of just the Сhurch of Christ -the reinforcement of the word with signs, that is, miracles (Mark 16:15-20). Therefore, some researchers doubt the historicity of Christ, and some of them are not opposed to declaring him a an ordinary philosopher, teacher. But even if Jesus were an ordinary philosopher, his disciples would be ordinary followers of Jesus. And they would not dare to write about the miracles that not only Jesus, but also his disciples, could perform. If there were the Church in our time as described by the authors of the New Testament books, where miracles are performed, the sick are healed, where prophesied, and the dead are raised, no one would doubt the historicity of Christ. Then there would be the same controversy throughout the world as in the first century - Jesus the Son of God or the false prophet who seduces the world by miracles. As a result, we can say that the emergence and development of christian sects and atheism was the result of the fact that over the 2000 years the Сhurch of Christ did not exist. Find *"The Mystery about the Church of Christ"* video on KZread, which shows the real causes of Christian sects and atheism. The video reveals a prophecy about the disappearance and reappearance of the Church of Christ before the end of the world. Watching this video will bring joy to all who sincerely seek God and will interest those who are not too lazy to think freely. Click on my name to watch the video (The video is in Russian, but English subtitles are included).

Christ took humanity that He might reach humanity. A divine-human Saviour was needed to bring salvation to the world. By EG Whites What is this mean? Does this mean Christ devine join with human nature???

You are not keeping a day "holy" unless you are carrying out all the rituals prescribed by the holy ceremony for that day EXACTLY as set out in all the Law of Moses. And not least, the sabbath sacrifice. The patriarch of each family in each tribe was responsible for ensuring his household (including servants) kept the Sabbath. (See the wording of the 4th command in Ex 20:8 ff) The head of each family had to REMEMBER his Sabbath responsibilities -- there were so many peop le and so much preparation was involved. The 7th-day Sabbath belonged to the nation of Ancient Israel and so it was a HEBREW covenant ceremony. Notice, what was disallowed on that day was allowed (even commanded) on the other days of the week. This shows it was pure ritual, pure ceremony. It was a memorial of the creation of the 12 tribes of Israel AS A NATION under COVENANT to God, when the people were delivered from captivity in Egypt (Isa 43:1, Deut @). That's why it was a sign between God and Israel exclusively (Ex @). That's why it was commanded to be kept. Only an Israelite could keep it. It is IMPOSSIBLE for any of its rituals to be observed by anyone living today because nobody living today is an Ancient Israelite. Additionally there is no priestly service, no temple, no Law of Moses, to supervise its observance and punish any transgression. for all those reasons anyone who claims to be "keeping" the 7th day today is just plain self-deceived and is deceiving others. He is a liar because he himself is NOT observing the day as it was required to be observed under old covenant law. THAT COMMANDMENT NEVER CHANGED IN THE SLIGHTEST DETAIL ("JOT") ALL THE DAYS OF ANCIENT ISRAEL right up to AD 70. The Jewish Sabbath is now history. It has NOTHING to do with the lliving today. Get real!

@erikruizmd

2 жыл бұрын

you compelety misunderstood the purpose of sabbath. If you read the new testament, u will find that they kept the sabbath holy. But when u talk about the ceremonies that isrealites did in the OT, they all pointed to Jesus 1st coming...all that is fullfilled... There is no deceiving, we are not real for just caring for others on sabbath, helping the sick. not doin our own will. You talk like we are commiting crime. Its easy to point and critizice

@brianhyde5900

2 жыл бұрын

​@@erikruizmd On the contrary, you are the one who misunderstands. You want the Sabbath but you are trying to twist the Sabbath into something it is not and in the process what your observance amounts to is a counterfeit which fools nobody but yourselves. The intention of the Law-Giver, the God of Israel, was toward a spiritual end for Israel but ihe Law was NOT the end, which is precisely what you Sabbath professors are trying to make it out to be with your fake version of sabbath-keeping. The Jewish Sabbath, as with all the Law of Moses, was a TYPE, a FIGURE, of things to come...of faith in Christ, the Antitype. The Sabbath was a shadow and Christ was the Substance. The spiritual truth was embodied in Christ, NOT The Law with its Sabbath. The Law and its Sabbath was a teacheer, that's all. It was temporary. When Christ came all the Law with its types and figures and shadows fell away as did the Sabbath. The Law was a means to an end. But you people are trying to make what was a means to an end, the end, and then have people running with it forever. The Law had to do with specific behavioural practices that were detailed under said law. The Spirit of Christ had to do with the life of the heart and mind (hence, "the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus" Rom 8:3). When you are One Spirit with God, then you realize that all law, let alone an ancient law with its types, and shadows etc. has fallen away. The entire body of law belonging to Ancient Israel has nothing to do with your present union with God. Your so-called "sabbath-keeping" today is a total farce. It is NOT the behaviour the Law-Giver specifically detailed with respect to the seventh-day as it was under the Law in Ancient Israel. It is a corruption of what God enjoined the people to offer up to him ON THAT DAY, e.g. "a sabbath TO THE LORD THY GOD" (Ex 20:8). You are disobeying the very commandment you profess to obey. Your version of "doing good" on the Sabbath as "Sabbath-keeping" is a misuse of scripture around the Sabbath. The Pharisees had an issue with Jesus -- what he was doing on the Sabbath. The Pharisees claimed it was work when Jesus said it was not work but doing good and that there was nothing wrong with doing good on the Sabbath. ON THE SABBATH. Christ was still keeping the Sabbath. Like any other Jew he was under the Law. Your reference doing good completely misses the point I am making which is that you are NOT even keeping the Sabbath. You people are the ones insisting on keeping the Sabbath. Very well then, you had better start doing it, and stop neglecting to do it; stop pretending to do on the seventh day of the week what the Sabbath enjoined through the commandment! In order to keep the Sabbath you need to observe the Sabbath itself, not just do good. You need to keep the sacrifice and all the other rituals required by the Law of Moses in respect of the Sabbath. But you are not, are you? You are not because you cannot. And you cannot because it is impossible today. Without the Temple and its Altar and animal sacrifice, and the high priest and priesthood officiating and heads of the 12 tribes, you are not doing what is meant by keeping the Sabbath. When the Sabbath sacrifice was offered up. all the patriarchal heads of the 12 tribal families were in attendance. ALL the body of Israel was represented. The sacrifice was a communal event. The Sabbath was a communal event. Against this background you deceive yourself that your keeping the Sabbath. You claim to be keeping the Sabbath but on the contrary you are actually breaking the Sabbath and breaking it every week!! The Law was specific in respect to the exact behaviour that was required to be performed as part of the Sabbath ordinance, and which when followed, resulted in that period of 24 hours being kept "holy" by the people of Israel. As an Israelite your Sabbath-keeping was what set the day apart as "holy", what made it "holy" thereby. Holiness is NOT something that was intrinsic to that time; to that 24 hour period of time, but it was BEHAVIOUR that was ASSIGNED to that period of time. It was that very behaviour which SET THE DAY APART from the other days of the week by you. It set you, as a nation, apart from other nations. The Sabbath was also a sign to all other other nations that your nation Israel was set apart from them by the God of Israel. For holy purposes as set out under Israel's covenant of law. Your so-called sabbath-keeping today which is an attempt to synthesize Moses (law) and Jesus (grace through faith), is nothing more than a human invention. It is not "Sabbath-keeping" and bears no resemblance to the Sabbath observance enjoined by the Law. You cannot selectively change the specifics of a law to suit yourself. It is all or nothing. But you people by your version of sabbath-keeping presume to set yourselfves up as an authority and persuade the God of Israel that you can. Under that system of law what you are offering up is tantamount to "strange fire". Your "sabbath-keeping" is not according to law, not according to the commandment. Stop deluding yourself that it is. And be thankful that you are not an ancient Jew, for by now you will have reaped the wrath of the God of Israel!

@brianhyde5900

2 жыл бұрын

@@erikruizmd The Sabbath was a memorial of Israel’s deliverance from bondage and slavery in Egypt. What you as an Israelite (and later you as a Jew) DID on that day, is what kept it holy - and “holy” means “set apart”. The Sabbath command came with clear instructions what the patriarch and his family and his servants and his husbandmen WERE NOT TO DO. This did not make one holy in yourself because there is no such thing as intrinsic holiness (set apart). It KEPT the day holy-"set apart”, and by extension, kept the Israelites holy (set apart from other nations) insofar as “the God of Israel” was concerned. It was a SIGN to that effect. You confuse Jesus’ point about the Sabbath not preventing one from doing good (and therefore doing good is not subject to a day) with the purpose of the Sabbath day UNDER LAW which was commemoration. Again, what one DID marked it as such. Law was not about doing good. It is about not doing bad, OR it was pure ceremony. The Sabbath was about performing a ceremony (just as the Passover, washings, were) which is not about good or bad, or about NOT doing bad that the law specifically listed and duly punished. Incidentally, SDAs purport to observe law, but do not observe the law’s penalties. Law without penalty is useless. Its penal code is its force as a deterrent. You cannot have one without the other. Its either both or no law at all. The is no law or punishment in the Spirit, so in Jesus (Spirit) there was no law at all (Spirit of Love does GOOD to its neighbour). For this reason alone, the SDAs claim of “law-keeping” is hypocrisy, a total farce. So your interpretation is not valid. It’s a typical SDA mishmash of the law which the SDAs (and SDARM) claim should not be changed in one iota, (oh and ESPECIALLY the Decalogue and even MORE ESPECIALLY the fourth command of the Decalogue!!), out of one side of their mouths, and yet claim should be changed out of the other side of their mouths JUST as you have done. Sorry, but the way SDAs observe the Sabbath is a joke! The NT believers were commanded NOT to serve God in the old way of the written law which bore fruit unto spiritual death, but in the new way of the Spirit which bore fruit unto God (Romans 7:4-6). But you are disobeying that command! Why? The saints were told that the law (principle) of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus, had set them free from the law of sin and death. But you are ignoring that instruction? Why? No, you want your cake (grace) and eat it too (law). No matter how you want to spin your interpretation of law, it is will always be a corruption, a syncretic mess of law and grace. You complain that I am making you people out to be criminals. I cannot judge any individual but let me say this to you: when your organisation lies about God and God’s expectations of people, and these lies keep people in a trap God never put there, THAT is what I call “criminal”. And this is PRECISELY what you, what the SDA church, and what the SDARM, is doing.

@morphatgold551

Жыл бұрын

@@brianhyde5900 So le me ask you, We should live without LAWS ?🤔 We should commit Adultery, Kill or Murder, Disobey our Parents and Worship Idols ...? And take the name of God in vain ? Cos the same same hand which wrote all the Ten commandments or the Decalogue is the same same one who wrote to keep Sabbath day Holy. And because I am not a jew or an Israelites should I refrain from the Ten commandments and God will be So happy with me ?🤔 I should Know Where you do live, I would Want to Break into your house and Steal you But still keep Love: ie Loving God And Loving you 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Please allow me to steal you with much Love, because I am not a Jewish or an Israelites 😆😆😆😆 Yah 👍 Furthermore I don't get it..... When you say a law without penality is as joke. So who should be punishing ? You meant the SDAs should take the Law into their own Hand and be punishing the wrong doers in the Church ? 🤔 And how should that be done ? should the Church Kill or flog the wrong doers ? I don't get it too, please tell us ! However le me ask you my Brother, in the Country or City you are, I think there are set of Laws which were given to you Guys by that State, For example may be it's a law that you should keep left or right while Driving..... Yah So if you or any one of you in that City decided to Break that Law, who take the responsibility to Punish ? Is it you or anybody or the Motorist take the responsibility to Punish or set the penalties ? I think the Police who are part and parcel of the state Will take you to Court for you to face your punishments or penalties, The Courts or the police Can even say you have not done anything wrong, even if you accidentally killed several people, injured and crushed several vehicles... And you will be freed despite public out cry Same if you kill.... It's will be the duty of the State to punish you or to free you Why Because they are the ones who said or wrote in the constitution "you should not kill" And Just like that, it's God who gave out his Ten Commandments, it's his Duty to Punish or Not We the Seventh Day Adventists cannot and will not punish you or set you penalities. That's to Say Punishment and the penalities for the Law Breakers Comes directly from the one who made those Laws. Same to your House if you set laws to your Kids, Kids Cannot punish themselves but its you their parents to punish them or to let them free, And I don't think if your laws or rules are set of Jokes Through LOVE We Can only tell you or teach you what God or the ones in Authority want from you. And it's your right to take it or ignore those Commands Likewise it's God's prerogative to Punish or not to And it's his right to take that punishment when, how and where and with What Degree.... When Adam Sinned, it's God who punished them, with how much Degree it's God who knows..... And it's God's Who Knows why he let them to live until to Day Good Day !