Waymo reps absolutely do sign off and approve various actions when the car asks them "Hey I'm here and want to do X but I'm unsure. Do I proceed or do something else". Each rep watches over a dozen or two cars. They would never admit to this because it would be a PR nightmare. "Waymo reps control their FSD vans from home, still cant get it right"

I'm waiting on the discussion on autonomous fleets and car-to-car communication. In the future we need to route cars like packets. No need to stop at lights. No accidents, short of equipment failure.

@thomasreese2816

3 жыл бұрын

We already do it with Airplanes. Wait for takeoff permission, and then no stops. Can do the same with cars, replacing the 3rd dimension from vertical to time, ensuring that everything lines up

i can't believe they didn't even mention tesla's FSD beta. i'd hate for people to watch this and think that autonomy was super far in the future

@zandercerlong7238

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking the whole time. The beta is absolutely amazing and it’s already been upgraded so much in just a few weeks. Once the beta goes live and all that data is poring in the system is going to learn and crazy speeds an improve on what is already mind blowing. There Waymo vs Tesla convo made it seem like they were even in the same league when Tesla is blowing waymo out of the water it’s not even close

@brogcooper25

3 жыл бұрын

I think the interview took place before beta was released. This tweet was from Nov 8 and Lex said he would be talking to Elon later that week. Lex started off this interview by saying his interview with Elon was still a few weeks away. twitter.com/lexfridman/status/1325529898446958592?s=19

@tamanousJP

3 жыл бұрын

Try driving FSD 8 hours a day for a month. You will probably be dead or in hospital by the end of it. Being a daily rider in a Waymo will be a lot better for your health.

@brianrolincik8663

3 жыл бұрын

@@tamanousJP this is funny. this will age very well i'm sure. you should short TSLA!!

@zandercerlong7238

3 жыл бұрын

@@tamanousJP lmao, it’s called BETA for a reason. The point is you cannot YET pay not attention you have to be able to take over if need be. From where the beta was 45 days ago they have already updated it 7 times. It’s looking better and better in a short period of time.now once the entire Tesla fleet gets the Beta download the insane amount of data Tesla will be reviving will have the system learning insanely fast. It would be smart not to doubt Elon, he only gives fucking gives NASA astronauts rides to space this guys balls and brain are massive of the man says we are close to FSD ya might want to believe him

I think he's super right about Level 4 being the goal for the time being. And this is why I have a good deal of faith in FSD, because what better way to make a useful version of Waymo then to have a literal million cars all driving around mapping the world. (Well mapping what roads it can handle but you get the point)

@slimelife

3 жыл бұрын

Waymo hs level 4 lol

Autonomous Electric Vehicle's should be the future of transport and shared mobility public transit!

First people who died with self-driving cars, just a speed bump really.

Elon in a few weeks? Sorry that this is what I took away from this clip but I loved your last 2, I hope it's a bit longer this time around but I'll be happy with whatever time you spend talking with him. As always Lex, love the chan and much love from Ireland

@slimelife

3 жыл бұрын

Didnt happen, ull hear a few weeks for a few years, lord knows i have since 2019

what phone does lex have ?

Problem with HD map is our city is not stay the same. There'll be change to the road sign, lanes, etc.. or even a road structure itself. It's not possible to have keep everything update all the time with HD map. The more area HD map expanding to, more difficult to keep update.

@amoneoudini1044

3 жыл бұрын

You should talk to waymo about this, they will be devastated :-(

@patham9

2 жыл бұрын

@@amoneoudini1044 They have solutions to update the map automatically with new Lidar data. It's more a safety thing, Waymo is an operating level 4 autonomy system, at this point it's better to restrict it to well-tested areas. It's not like Tesla which is still miles away from level 4 and can just demand drivers to put hands on the steering wheel as a hack.

It is clear by now that Waymo has succeeded in solving the FSD problem. In 6 years most likely most self driving cars will have Waymo OS.

@Brizandeer

2 жыл бұрын

This would require cars to have all the sensors and equipment needed to implement waymo's approach. Also it depends on how many areas Waymo can cover given they are offering autonomous driving is certain areas that are very well mapped and understood.

@frankwiersma7980

2 жыл бұрын

@@Brizandeer Well if sensors are useful why not use them? Also mapping an area is useful when driving and so it is for autonomous driving. The rest is just optimization.

@Brizandeer

2 жыл бұрын

@@frankwiersma7980 I think on the sensors front, the barrier is cost.I would venture a guess that it would probably cost at least 40k to implement the sensors and computing hardware to accommodate waymo's Driverless technology. On the mapping front it's scalability. How long would it take waymo to map out all the cities in America, including all lane markings, traffic signs, etc. To create HD maps takes lots of time. Then factor in the maintenance of these maps, monitoring for changing road conditions like road closures and road construction/repairs, new roads. Now imagine having to keep this system up to date. This is why Tesla had get on a generalized fsd solution where the car reacts to what it sees based on all the Nn training compiled over time. It will be fascinating to see if Tesla can pull it off but I would argue they are targeting a much harder goal than waymo which would be superior if they can achieve it. Having said that you are right technically waymo is first with their pilot in Arizona.

@frankwiersma7980

2 жыл бұрын

@@Brizandeer I think sensors and mapping are just issued solved by further optimization. But first you have to have a product that works perfectly. Removing sensors from the Tesla FSD system while the system itself does not work very well makes it even hard to get things right This because you do not know if errors are made by false input data or by problems with the software itself. Same with mapping. I think it will be relatively easy to start moving sensors and to map the environment automatically once you have good software. But Tesla is doing this while their software is level 2.5 at most.

@Brizandeer

2 жыл бұрын

@@frankwiersma7980 I would respectfully disagree :) you need a product that is superior to humans. I guarantee you that waymo and Tesla will never be able to create the perfect product because there is always a circumstance that neither system has encountered before and s risk it cannot cope. This will mean self driving cars will continuously improve over time which is a very good thing for us passengers. But Waymo and Tesla are facing 2 different challenges, waymo faces scaling challenges whereas tesla is facing software development challenges. It will be interesting to see which of these will be overcome in time. My money is on Tesla 😉

I liked the last two minutes of the video

One day, I hope to see Lex wearing jeans and t-shirt

Uhh. So many people dying of covid and people sentiments are not really shocked and many not doing much to prevent the transmission. Autonomous deaths is very few compared to covid.

We should restrict cars on the road more. BicycleCity

Sorry but it seems my guy hasn’t seen FSD in action lol. Tesla is making it happen and no. You do not need to have human understanding to learn where people turn, accelerate, etc

@jadenhalstead7290

3 жыл бұрын

@@user232349 Yes, it has done all of those things. It’s not perfect, which is why its a beta, but it has done pretty much all of those things you listed

@jadenhalstead7290

3 жыл бұрын

@@user232349 you are raising edge case scenarios that require only refinement, something the neural network is very good at doing

@Jaker788

3 жыл бұрын

@@user232349 The Tesla FSD chip is the fastest inference processor out there by a wide margin, and still isn't being fully utilized. They have room to grow. But if your concern is power, they have been working on new version that's more powerful.

I honestly don't understand these people who say it's decades away?? It all boils down to cost and when you remove the driver and make the Vehicle more productive and electric it will make Transport much cheaper and car ownership undesirable and if cities wanted we could have free public transit because they are so cheap to run!

@patham9

2 жыл бұрын

Yes the "Waymo way" is already a success. The challenge is to make it work everywhere. That's decades away.

@cmk353

2 жыл бұрын

@@patham9 one of many that are going to deployed in hundreds of cities from next year on

We need Elon on this show talking about FSD and how incredibly close we are to a fully self-driving future! No Joke, just look up any FSD beta from whatever week you are seeing this comment. Literally any video, just watch it and then come back.

Waymo to function requires areas that have been pre mapped (so far limited to 50sq mi. area) That is a ridiculous to autonomy. Unlike Tesla’s approach for FSD that can function anywhere in the world. The recently released beta FSD software shows its actually working extremely well.

What Waymore has is simply advanced automation! Driving around in a parking lot is not autonomy!!!🤔😂 being able to go only where I allow you is not Freedom!

WOW this video is only a week old and neither talk about Tesla FSD beta and the already major updates it’s getting every couple of days? Should have done some research before the convo it’s almost cringe. I’m not sure this guy understands just how good the beta actually is. Elon’s last interview he thinks Level 5 could be next year. Let’s just not bet against Elon and we probably can’t go wrong.

@Jaker788

3 жыл бұрын

It seems like it's a a matter of time, not if, but when. I don't think the when is more than 5 years off to being ready for regulatory L4 approval, as a conservative estimate.

These guys have no idea. Sorry. The game is moving so fast. One word. Tesla FSD beta. This will iterate faster than your head can spin.