As an older guy who started riding back in the Stone Age when waterproof gear was basically unheard of, you young blokes have no idea how lucky you are to be in such a position of choice. Gortex in my books is the major game changer, my first purchase of a Klim jacket and pants made such a difference in my comfort on a bike, riding a bike in all types of weather 10 hours a day became a lot easier, the lighter weight, the vents that actually worked, if it started raining no need to worry, only time you need the external waterproof jacket was longer faster riding. Australia not being what you may guess the coldest of countries and the sun sure do have some bite to it so putting on external waterproof gear becomes a sauna in no time, even when it’s raining, same thing goes for waterproof liners in jackets. The big bonus with the Gortex is it dries out a lot faster because the material does not get waterlogged. When I used to ride my dirt bike the most I would wear is just a light basic spray jacket that was water resistant just mainly to ease the wind chill factor, you were more likely to get wet from sweat more than rain, legs and feet were just MX pants and boots, with some light weight leggings for protection from my knee braces. My Klim Latitude jacket was the best thing I have ever bought, it has done a ton of kilometres on my back in all weathers, I just bought a new Carlsbad as after 8 years of abuse the old latitude is really showing its age, and the new jacket is light grey so it doesn’t get as hot as the black.

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing my dear friend! We are spoiled with all the great Goretex offerings these days, absolutely. I’ve tried a lot of different brands, and in my experience no one does it as well as Klim. My Carlsbad is excellent. The things you’d expect is good, but one thing I like in particular is how well the vents work!

Good video and I agree with your choice for colder climates. In hot countries you really can't have a waterproof liner on you all the time, you will be sitting in a sauna.

For the bottom - gore-tex, putting external pants on is a nightmare. Or semi water resistant enduro pants if it's hot. For the top - Knox armored shirt, and good membrane jacket over it. All weather and all condition setup. Knox is great, it's an abrasion resistant turtle that could be used as standalone jacket for hot days. Check it out. And, in my experience, gore-tex socks are better than boots. Boot membrane will eventually rip, and you'll have hot leaky boots that took ages to dry.

All the gear I use is linked in the description box - if you buy something from Amazon I'd appreciate if you used any of the Amazon-links as it would support this channel, - Johannes 🙂

Nice video, I think Pavlin from Motorcycle Adventures is riding with laminated pants and a normal jacket in the summer. Seems like a good idea as well. What I always find most annoying is having to put on rain pants at the side of the road. So much more annoying than the jacket, so maybe to combine both is a good idea as well. If you just have to put on the jacket you can probably do it without even getting off the bike. And you have the added advantage that your jacket stays dry on the outside. Me personally I think I will continue using my Z-liner stuff without the internal liners, I haven't tried any laminate gear on yet that feels as comfortable and easy to wear.

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Seems like a lot of people like this approach. I agree that the pants are the most annoying to put on as well. Regarding laminated jackets, they do feel very stiff and heavy. My Mosko Moto Basilisk jacket which I believe is laminated (but with Event, bot Gtex) is much lighter and more flexible.

For me, external gear is the favorite.. but that is 100% because of price 😂

I used to have the Revit Sand II with removable waterproof layer on the inside. That was really the worst option ever. If it starts raining you have to take off your gear to zip in the waterproof layer. Then the outside layer gets soaking wet with only a thin waterproof layer between your first layer (if you wear any) and the wet outside layer that’s feeling like a wet towel hanging around your body and cooling you down a lot. Then when you arrive at the hotel or campsite it takes forever to dry the outside layer.

@charliem5332

Жыл бұрын

Agree. This is my experience

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

Seems like most people agree with you, and I do too. I had an Alpinestar jacket like that a few years ago and the feeling of being dry, but with that outer layer soaked against your skin and the waterproof layer is not good at all! And the jacket took ages to dry. I wonder why a big brand like Revit offers jackets like that when so many people seem to dislike z-liners. If they sold the jacket without that Goretex z-liner it would be half the price?

Interesting approaches, thank you

Excellent discussion! Thank you Johannes! You have mentioned it before but just to add and emphasize the importance of wearing hydrophobic synthetic and wool layers beneath either of these two approaches because getting “soaked to the bone” is far more tolerable/survivable when all cotton is banished and we stay with the Synthetic puffies and wool light and midweight hoodies and pants.

Great video topic. It definitely depends on where you live. I only used my external Gortex shell out about five times last year, in about 50 rides (approx 1 ride per week). That's only 1 wet ride for every 10 dry rides. It's not a big deal putting it on, when you see the dark grey clouds appearing. In summer, it's actually nice to get wet, to cool you down. I imagine northern Europe is quite different. Cheers

I am a new rider, so thank you Johannes for sharing your experience.

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

I’m happy to hear the video was helpful, and welcome to the two wheeled life! What you’ll find besides the greatness of riding is the awesome online community - if you ever need any help, just ask 😊 ride safe!

@DouweBuruma

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Very nice

Since you asked, here's my opinion: two-piece rain shell all the way Sportbike and leather suit - no need to explain ;) waterproof covers over my boots. ADV - offroad oriented, travelling, commuting in the winter Weather in Poland is less dynamic and my travel destinations are mainly south, so I prefer light clothing. I ride in a mesh jacket. Always. Even in the winter :P (bicycle softshell over the jacket works like a charm, some warm clothes underneath if needed). So I'm hesitant to put on poorly breathable, laminated clothes. I love the wind all over my body too much ;) I was skeptical towards Gore-Tex boots, but good socks, 80% coolmax, and I have dry feet for the first hour, even in 30+ degrees heat. Never leaked in the past 3 years, even when riding/walking in a river, so now I'm a fan ;) My two-piece managed to keep me dry even when I rode for a few dozen minutes in a (almost) literal wall of water. My advice would be: go for a thicker one. However, another, thinner one (Sidi) also did the job in a regular rain, so IDK. Just stay away from the "civilian" ones. The're not designed for high speeds. Also, it's very easy and fast to put on (maybe a little fiddling to push boots through the pants and not get tangled in the lining, depends on the lining, I guess). Waterproof boot covers work perfectly, only leaked slightly when I was riding with my feet under water (understandable, even beyond expectations). I haven't managed to find decent, really waterproof and not insulated glove covers though. Standard options leak and rip on the seams during the first use. I'd really appreciate a hint if you manage to find some. Other options: One piece rain shell: tried that, leaks on the zipper in the crotch since a pool of water forms in a fold there. A bit difficult to put on. Membrane underneath clothes: never tried, no way I'm stripping to my briefs in the rain, on the side of the road. Laminated clothing: probably an interesting choice in a cold and wet climate, but for my needs, I don't think it would be suitable, never tried though. Stopping and waiting the storm out: ain't nobody got time for that ;)

Scott regntøy er med alltid 👍

I feel like the best compromise is a non laminated jacket that have a certain water resistance and not an expensive laminate like gore tex. Good enough for light rain and if it starts to get heavy you break out the totally waterproof shell. Even the most expensive gore tex jacket can max out its waterproofness in crazy rain but a rain shell won’t as there won’t be any pores on the outside.

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

My approach to clothing setup is constantly evolving, and my current approach is very similar to yours here. A not too expensive abrasion resistant jacket and pant and cheap rain gear if it starts to pour. Reason is mainly because as you say even Gtex can max out, but also the price in general. Motorcycle clothing is abused on trips with crashes and hard use, spending a huge amount of money on a pair of pants (like my woodsmans, that I do love, but expensive) is a bit much.

pretty sure i mentioned it in the poll but i use external rain gear and i'll outline why in australia where i ride there's only about 3 months where it will be uncomfortably cold if i get wet but still not life threatening. there will be at least 3-4 months where i'll be happy to get wet and cool off. external gear usually has elastic cuffs for a tighter seal and it's an added layer over my thin enduro jacket which is much cooler offroad than a heavy waterproof warm jacket. i would never consider waterproof boots in our climate as i have met a bloke that was very close to being airlifted out of a remote town back to the city due to a leg infection from a small scratch stewing away in a sweaty waterproof boot. if i was concerned i'd wear waterproof socks when needed instead. but i find over the boot pants and good forma terrain tx enduro boots i rarely have wet feet.

External 2 piece waterproof layer and water proof socks, instead of water proof boots. note: I only wear water proof socks when I know it's going to rain, during winter or know I will be crossing rivers on a pre planned ride.

In our part of Africa it rains heavily in summer which means waterproof suits can be a problem with heat. I find an external waterproof suit waiting in the top box is best. So you can buy either a dedicated bike rain suit (for a small fortune) or pop into a workwear store and buy a (bright yellow) rain suit for 1/4 the price.

Thanks Johannes. It’s an external shell for me. In my experience, bit only does the integrated waterproof gear cook you from the inside, but with regular use, even well maintained ‘waterproof’ gear ceases to be waterproof, especially as seams and where the fabric creases. I have work a lot of gear and it’s always disappointing to see the change as your expensive gear that was initially so water repellant slowly becomes far less so. In heavy rain ‘almost water proof’ is as useless as ‘not water proof at all’!

After a few years of trying different kinds of WP garment I settled for two sets for different kinds of riding. For summer one day trips I use motocross garment with foil type Acerbis rain jacket always in my backpack. For the rest of the year and long trips that are mostly tarmac and gravel roads I got a Klim Carlsbad GoreTex laminated set and Sidi GoreTex boots. I don't have the patience to put on an external wp suit every time it looks like rain. In 2022 went for 3 weeks trip to Norway, it was raining almost constantly and neither Klim set nor the Sidi boots let any rain in. I've tried many different membranes and in my experience Goretex is the only one that is actually waterproof. Wasted a good amount of money before I figured that out.

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like we have the exact approach Andrzej 😊 Happy to hear the Sidi’s and Klim gear kept you dry! Thanks for sharing

Good video my viking brother! Perdonally i prefer the external gear. As for the boots, i have recently discovered the wonders of waterproof socks and they came straight into my "top 20 favorite things of all time", on par with the AC, the mobile internet and toasted bread xD

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

Now I kinda want to know what the remaining 19 items are - when will you make the video? 😉❤️

Nice video Johannes. I like external gear and layers in general for whatever that’s worth. 👍🏾 It’s funny you mention mud because I almost got stuck in it today on one of my favorite dirt roads. We have lots snow melting in Colorado right now and I didn’t realize the mess it has made on some roads. The first thing I thought about was your old Tenere video and got scared. I got the heck out of there so fast lol.

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, and I’m happy to hear you didn’t have to suffer like I did 😬 Now I just laugh from it, but back then it was a nightmare!

@urbanadventurer5

Жыл бұрын

@@JohannesDalen thanks and it definitely looked like it was a horrible experience.

Hi Johannes, I think both integrated or external are good. Which principle to choose depends on the type of riding. Just like you said. Totally agree. However, internal liner does not make sense. My first Lindstrand set is like that. Never used the liner. I think it's stupid. Now I use laminated gear for convenience reasons. I don't like to stop to put on external. It has happened more than once that I have kept riding hoping the rain will end. But, ofcourse it did not. So when finally putting on the external gear it was to late. 😮‍💨

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

Hey Chris! I had in my script to talk about z-liners like your Lindstrand, but somehow I forgot. I don’t think those make any sense either, the outer material will still get wet. Laminated is much better. Thanks for chiming in!

Always good to mention Klim’s crash replacement program. I know it only covers big crashes with police reports etc, but they will replace your gear for free. Plus if the damage isn’t covered under their crash guarantee then they still offer something like 40% off your replacement order. Might only be klim but that’s what makes them great. Also the goretex is on the second layer, so damage on the outside (cordura rip stop) may not effect the inside waterproofing. Great video it all depends on the person 👍🏼

@henrikkaufmann3009

Жыл бұрын

If I crash my riding gear is covered by my home insurance? Isn't that the case for most?

One more thing with the waterproof drop liner jackets - the outer jacket gets soaked through so it gets super heavy and you have to dry it out. Not so bad if you're returning home or staying in a hotel but for camping it's not a fun time.

Nice report, but I think you forgot a category? The riding gear with internal rain protection i.e. Revit Sand 4. I find this solution really odd because you will still end up with a wet or soaked suit. And as a surfer, I know that evaporation thru wind will create cold. So it will create unnecessary cooling around your body when riding. I have the Revit Sand 4 and I have never used the rain layer. I thought of going for a Goretex solution or a rain suit. That Goretex is causing PTFE in the environment should be considered. And the insulation effect (as you mention) when riding in hot conditions or when using a lot of energy on complicated sections off road. I chose the old-fashioned rain suit beside the described concerns for one main reason. It is easy to handle when wet meaning you don't need to have a completely soaked riding suit in a small tent when on tour. But that's my decision for my needs. If I was just commuting to work, I would probably have gone with Goretex :-)

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Henrik! I planned to talk more about the z-liners (internal rain protection), but I must have forgot 😅 but I put them in the same category as waterproof riding gear. They don’t make much sense to me either, since the outer layer gets soaked. However, I’ve read quite a few comments from people liking those jackets, because the rain layer could be inside of the jacket or on the outside, so it’s very modular that way. I like a regular Goretex laminated option much more. Thanks for pointing out the PTFE pollution from Gtex, very important topic, should have mentioned that.

If you are using raingear from a outdoor manufacturer, just make sure it’s in bright colors! It can be dangerous when you ride on wet streets.

The worst trip I experienced was in Tasmania. Dry and warm for a few days, included a surf. Then cold and rain for days getting back to civilisation on my bike. I ended up putting on my wetsuit under the wet gear - then I was warm. Like waterproof socks, maybe soon a bodysuit will breath too, keep us warm or cool and dry

@jimma47

Жыл бұрын

Johannes should come to Tassie. I agree you need a good set of thermals to keep you warm when you're wet and to wick the moisture away. There's only so much they can do though so warm and wet is better than cold and wet!

Having tried both and have both. I think it’s important to have both! I used my alpinestars adventure suit the other week for a day in Wales where the weather looked to be showers on and off all day. Worked well and I stayed dry and cool. In the summer or if it wasn’t forecast for rain except past a certain time, or it’s a day full of rain.. I’d bring my separate Scott waterproofs which are hands down the better option and will leave you bone dry and can be shaken off at the end of a ride easily. As for your last bit regarding waterproof boots, mentioned a few times I really don’t think it’s the way to go man! Waterproof boots suck unless you’re planning to stick to mainly tarmac. Once they get water in, it doesn’t come out and they stay wet for days. Sealskins socks are the way to go. I haven’t worn my waterproof Sidi Adventure 2s since I got waterproof socks and unless I’m road riding don’t see any reason to 👍🏽

@OSR_1

Жыл бұрын

My trick to sealskins, is to wear a thin pair of merino wool socks underneath them - which prevent your feet from feeling clammy as they absorbe 3x their weight in water before starting to feel damp. Obviously make sure the cuff of the sock sits below the cuff of your sealskins so it doesn’t ruin your seal 👍🏽

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for chiming in my friend! The Scott DP stuff feels so great with its stretch, I’ll buy a pair when mine needs replacing. Regarding boots and waterproof socks, I hear you man. When I went to Portugal, my non-waterproof Tech7s was wet the whole week. The «waterproof boots never dries out» is true and makes sense, but neither does non-waterproof ones 😅 and the reason I got wet in the first place was because of puddles, which the waterproof boots would have kept out - so that is the reason why I’m switching over. Will it be better? We’ll have to wait and see, of course I’ll report back with my findings 😁

@OSR_1

Жыл бұрын

@@JohannesDalen 😜 yeah the stretch is great! Legs are hard to get in though with mx boots so need to take them off first unfortunately but not a biggie. Ha yeah that is very true. It’s a tough call, unless you’re doing dual sporting and river crossing waterproof is definitely the way to go though. Having both is definitely the way forward as you can decide what’s right for you based on that ride 👍🏽

1st water-proof liners are the dumbest idea ever 😉 I know from my road touring days what a complete pain in the arse external rain gear is. Having to pack the rain pant and jacket, the process of getting in and out the stuff and then deciding whether or not to use it can be maddening. As an enduro rider I don't care about so much about the rain, within a few minutes of riding and I'm sweating, then its not long before I'm soaked through everything. Off-road in colder weather I still sweat, so I keep moving and wear a wind breaker jacket to keep the cold air off my torso on transit or faster sections. As I plan on entering the ADV world soon, I've been getting gear together for these rides ..... I would not be comfortable if I had on a garment that held heat around my torso, especially when I'm riding off-road sections. So I'm going to try "a mix", I purchased a couple pairs of heavy-duty, water\wind-proof hiking pants I'll wear for ADV rides and I'll pack my Frogg Toggs rain jacket to throw on for wet or big drops in temperature.

It's a tough call for me as there's one elusive factor, unpredictability. If I was riding and I knew exactly when it was going to rain, I could adapt to it but my dilemma is when I'm doing my yearly trip to the Alps or the Pyrenees in early June. Do I take the goretex laminate which serves me well during fall and winter in wet Belgium but risking to get very hot in the valleys if the weather is sunny or do I take a mesh outfit and layer up? The problem with the second option is that sometimes you don't know when exactly it is going to rain so you put on the waterproofs out of precaution only to remove it 20 minutes later because the weather changes rapidly in the mountains or viceversa, you think you can ride on to the next scheduled stop never mind the dark looming clouds only to get completely soaked before you've got the chance to stop to put on the waterproofs over already wet gear...

Mosko Moto for the win

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

I agree, not only is their products great, but I really dig the whole lifestyle they ‘push’ as well - get out there, use your gear, crash, laugh, repeat 😁

SQUEAK be gone...squirt a tiny bit of silicone lube (like triflow etc) at the hinge point of those boots and the squeak will disappear. There are two spots on each boot to squirt (each side of hinge)

I spent 750 dollars on a high-end pants and jacket; they lasted two years then were useless. 375 a year is to rich for me. I use cheap external rain gear.

Folks, please let me know - those funky expensive jackets and pants with integrated rain protection - it is really waterproof with heavy, heavy rain too? My gear is able to resist light rain, but when the clouds are getting to heavy and there is a hard rain ahead, I always wear external waterproof gear....

Jeg har gått for Scott sitt ErgoPro DP sett og er meget fornøyd med den løsningen. De har høy kvalitet, fin stretch og buksene går godt opp på magen og kan dras på uten å ta av støvlene. Jeg fikk testa det i regn og lave temperaturer i starten av sesongen i år og jeg var fin og tørr! Men har du noen gode tips på litt varme og tørre hansker som ikke føles som en polvott?

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

Jepp, Scott DP er neste regntøy-settet jeg kjøper. Stretchen alene gjør det verdt det (alltid knot å få på regntøy). Godt å høre at du er fornøyd. Ja, faktisk, Klim sin Powercross. Fantastisk å ha på, Gtex, og enormt slitesterk. Ikke kjempevarm, men gjør susen fra 8 grader og oppover ca. Jeg kjøper et nytt par med en gang disse er slitt ut. Det var Ryan Fortnine som anbefalte de for et par år tilbake.

In my opinion, integrate for pants and external rain gear for jacket

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

Which pants do you use? I like that approach too, jacket is easier to put on than pants. I wish I found a pant that is waterproof and has stretch to it, but I’m probably asking for too much.

@DavidFernandez-vv9sq

Жыл бұрын

@@JohannesDalen klim carlsbarg pants, klim Dakar jacket with fox baseframe pro(his armor pieces are compatible with dakar jacket) you can use the jacket like a enduro jacket or adventure jacket during your trip. Sorry for my english.

How is The mosko moto jacket compared to klim Carlsbad?

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

The Basilisk jacket is lighter (no liner and no integrated armor), more flexible and better for offroad use with an armoured shirt underneath. The Carlsbad is more for your typical adventure rider. Both jackets feels really well made. I’m keeping both, MM for offroad and Klim for longer distance adventure rides 😊 Skal du på Skog i år og?

Adventure-enduro= advenduro That's how I call rides like the TET, the TAT and BDRs. It's very niche ;)

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

"Advenduro" - I like it :) Which bike do you use for advenduro riding?

@gxm164

Жыл бұрын

@@JohannesDalen I did the TAT, some TET and many BDRs on a WR250R. Perfect little machine for a beginner rider looking to get out there while learning to ride. I then upgraded to a 701 properly kitted with rally tower by linx fairing and extra fuel tank by rade garage and way more upgrade (you know how it is) with which I did more advenduro riding in my neck of the wood (Quebec, Canada) and some BDRs. That being said, Im exactly in the same situation as you, I need to ride at least an hour to get to the trails and I was getting tired of having a really expensive machine that felt out of place around where I live (close to the city, Montreal). Also, Im getting older so looking into transitioning into proper adventure riding instead of advenduro, so avoiding single tracks and very gnarly off-road, so I sold the 701 and have a cash deposit on the yet to be announced 2023 Norden 901 Expedition model. I'm going to use this bike to ride from my home to go anywhere I please as well as BDRs, adventure rides (new Oregon BDR next fall) and probably riding to Arctic ocean in 2024 (Tuktoyaktuk). It will be my first adventure bike, but hopefully it will fulfill my needs.

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

It all depends on how you ride, and sometimes it’s a lot of fun to change the ‘tool’ and see how that works out. I’ve also heard rumours about the new Norden and I’m sure it’ll do a very good job for your needs. The smaller bikes are more fun on the most technical offroad rides, but they completely wear me out on the highway. While I’ll always prefer offroad riding, the part about reaching new places, towns, countries on a bike really makes my adventure spirit blossom, and that can’t really be done on a small dual sport. Please keep me updated on how the new Norden works out for you and your kind of riding 😊

Johannes, I see you are familiar with Murphy’s Law! So if you are crossing a river in waterproof boots, how do you keep the water from spilling-in over the top of the boot? Waterproof pants, waterproof boots; water goes up my leg to the top of the boot then spills into my boot = soaked! Any solutions?

@JohannesDalen

6 ай бұрын

Hehe, murphys law.. Well, I don't think you can fully protect yourself against wet feet if the river crossing is deep enough. Have you tried waterproof socks? Your boot will still get wet, but feet completely dry. I have a pair and they are absolutely awesome. I don't put them on till my boots actually get wet. Wearing them all day is fine, but can get hot and a bit clammy.

I just ride off road - I don’t use rain gear - I just get wet.

I wear exclusively Gore-Tex laminated gear. Why? Because I live in the UK. And it only rains roughly 10 months in a year🥲

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

The emoji «🥲» sums it up perfectly. It’s the same here man, when are we moving to Spain?

@papawhisky2935

Жыл бұрын

@@JohannesDalen I would love to but I melt above 25°C 😄 maybe I'll move to Switzerland, get the best out of both worlds

Ses vi på Skog? 🎉

@JohannesDalen

Жыл бұрын

Håper det, jeg var tidlig ute med å sende mail, men mailen kom ikke frem før dagen etterpå. De sjekker opp i det nå og gir meg en tilbakemelding snart. Regner med at det løser seg og vi ses på Skog 😊

@winterbreed

Жыл бұрын

@@JohannesDalen kul! Håller tummarna!