Waterloo part 1
The second episode of Battleground - Waterloo. Two of the pivotal figures in the growth of wargaming in the 1970s battle it out - Peter Gilder (as Napoleon - who else!) takes on John Braithwaite (Garrison Miniatures supremo).
And win absolutely nothing if you can identify the two interlopers at 4m.
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RIP Peter ( 1990 ) and John ( 1992 ). Two good men.
@blip1
2 жыл бұрын
How did you know this?
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2 жыл бұрын
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2 жыл бұрын
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2 жыл бұрын
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The friendly game banter hasn't changed in 40 years.
"You've made it difficult to hit anything at all" "Well I don't find it difficult." Jesus Christ what gold
@BigDsbrush
3 жыл бұрын
i love banter like this when i used to play wargames, such good fun. seems to have been lost on some people these days
Commentary sounds like a golf match. "And, I believe, the Anglo-Allied player is selecting his dragoons for a flanking movement against the French corps. He rolls...two sixes. A mixed result, but still a hit. French check for morale and -- they hold. Good on the Frogs!"
@blip1
2 жыл бұрын
Are we supposed to start clapping as he says "good for the frogs!"?
Would've dreamt of a series like this when I was growing up in the 90s.
@Infernal460
7 жыл бұрын
Time commanders
@davedogge2280
4 жыл бұрын
@@Infernal460 But that was made using a real time engine modified from Total War, not exactly miniatures wargaming, although certainly the next best alternative.
@WhatHoSnorkers
2 жыл бұрын
@@davedogge2280 "Game of War" was another one, hosted by Angela Rippon... which at Waterloo at least had actual generals in command! Not as lovely as these models though.
Man, those Napoleonic-era tin soldiers are magical! I've seen them for the first time as a little kid, and it was a love from first sight. I don't own any thoug... it stayed platonic :D
Little known fact: Napoleon as a 16yo cadet in the French Military Academy applied to go on a voyage of exploration with La Perouse in 1788. After La Perouse scouted out Arthur Phillip's new colony (in what would become known as Sydney Australia), he sailed away, never to be seen again. How very different our world would have been if Napoleon was better at astral navigation (the reason why he was not successful in his application).
@martinidry6300
Жыл бұрын
I read about that in Carl Sagan's "Cosmos". Pearson's "Achtung Scweinhund" is a hilarious and knowledgeable book about military wargaming, military re-enactment, military miniatures. Did you know Denis Wheatley (he was also an avid military wargamer), Stanley Baker & James Mason were enthusiastic collectors of military miniatures?
I watched this when it was first broadcast. I was only 10 but hooked. Fantastic. Had the privilege of meeting Peters pal Frank Hinchcliffe and those of a certain vintage might remember that magnificent humongous Samurai model that once graced the cover of Military Modelling in 1981 or thereabouts. Anyway he had it on his dining room table.
@DESHolden
3 жыл бұрын
I remember it. I think I've still got the Mag in a storage tub. No idea if they'd be of interest to anyone?
Good 1970s nostalgia. The game, the clothes, the hairstyles!
Thanks for sharing, brings back fond memories. Stayed at Peter's Wargame Holiday Centre twice in the early 80's, fantastic time had, probably played with these figures! Peter was such a lovely guy, would come into the games room blurry eyed at midnight to kick us out so he could lockup!! Brilliant stuff.
Hilarious heckling they throw at each other, thank you for posting this! Fascinating to watch as well.
I remember this show as a child, its what brought me into war gaming, have been searching for this everywhere. Thank you
Edward Woodward was a wargamer and bought the wargames table and figures from the wargaming scene in the original Equaliser film .
@martinjones7246
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, he used to have a house in Tavistock in Devon. And a lot of his figures supposedly ended up for sale (after he passed on) in Tavistocks wonderful undercover Victorian market. They also made appearances in an episode of Edward Woodward's the 'equaliser' TV show.
Fab, I heard about these characters and now to "see then in action" is a real treat
this is funny tv, looks like an attempt to turn tabletop wargaming into a sport like Snooker. Nice idea but you can see why it didnt work.
The best figure battle what i saw. Awesome! Gloria victis
Amazing! Thanks a lot for this battle report! 😍
before Napoleon Total War...
@Infernal460
7 жыл бұрын
before time commanders
@Monkeyshaman
7 жыл бұрын
I honestly didn't know this was picked up. Now to make up reasons to not be a productive citizen yet again.
@jonathontyynismaa5310
7 жыл бұрын
andriyko yep
@markcorrigan3930
4 жыл бұрын
Napoleon total war IT'S NOT a wargame
6:07 I've found my pencil John, now I shall make notes.
"I found my pencil John"
I must be dreaming this... Superb
thank you for sharing these they are wonderful if only they made shows if this quality now !
Really enjoyable to watch
Thank to the Dutch/Belgium saving Wellington at Quatre brass holding out long enough and showing the French attacked there in full force.
Love the stick for canon shots!
The quickest 9 minutes ever! Lucky enough to get up to PGs in the Scarborough days, inspirational. :0)
Quality banter.
Very enjoyable thanks.
Awesome ....
Great stuff, which all of my games were this much fun! Please post more if you have 'em!
Thank you for posting this! I read about the series in Battle For Wargamers magazine, but had never seen it before. Please post any more clips if you can. I think I have to make one of those artillery bounce sticks.
So 70s! Safari jackets and cravats! Nice to see the old guard of wargaming in this. And even a young Anne Diamond! I expect the rules are Peter Gilder's own...... In the Grand Manner. Still around, or in similar but improved form in General de Brigade.
I was waiting to hear where the "indoor plant" story was going.
was this broadcast on Saturday mornings - used to watch it as a kiddie
The history of wargaming before our very eyes!
Their shit talking is phenomenal 😂
7:12 How do you like them apples?
@projectilequestion
8 жыл бұрын
+Bryant Miano Hahaha. He should have got additional points for that outburst.
Anne Diamond looked as though she'd followed through! Apart from that, interesting to see ... never get wargaming televised nowadays
cracking little vid thanks for the upload, they don't make them like this anymore!! shame its not in HD ;P
But what about that indoor plant?
He delayed the attack because of the heavy rain to use his CANNON to better effect.
Oh man I wish someone would do a series of this these days with the plethora of rules and miniatures out there now... and also... "How do you like them Apples" I thought was from Good Will Hunting!
magic stuff!
Maybe an indoor plant maybe an out door plant, something! SOMETHING!
thanks for sharing Doug C
John looks like the old guy from Toy Story 2 who cleaned Woody
Este video es una joyita👍🇦🇷🇬🇧👍
ive just started painting up napoleonic zveda russian and french artillery just recently started this hobby would like to get into war games on this era
@Maxyshadow
8 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul. There is lots of information and inspiration here theminiaturespage.com/boards/boards.mv?period=nap
Great stuff again, who changed channels for a moment? lol, good old days of VHS...Ian
WOW!!!
if anyone has the Potty Time episode on Waterloo please put it up. Probably the best Potty Time ever.
I want to know more about the indoor plant please
Now I know where Monty Python get their ideas from lol
The rules must be an earlier version of In The Grand Manner as the halving of casualties from long range musketry is the same.
There's more! Thanks Doug.
Cool, you don't see such programs on TV today! Hey, who zapped at 4:02????
Great anecdote: When Napoleon read some British newspapers about the battle while on St. Helena, he found out there was a fortified farmhouse called Hougoumont. It didn't show on his maps, and because his left flank had been constantly beaten back there he reasoned Wellington must have had a considerable force there, which therefore could not be on his center. By repeatedly attacking the center, he reasoned, the outstretched British had to break.
@AnvilAirsoftTV
5 жыл бұрын
Frederik you can’t see hougoument from La Belle Alliance or napoleons command position further back. It’s in a shallow valley.
wow, introduced by the original 'Equalizer' himself!
@ianmcclellan7695
4 жыл бұрын
PsiBurr if you track down the movie 'Callan' starring him, you'll see there's a wargaming storyline.
what game were they playing? I am fairly new to Historicals, Blackpowder is what I been doing with some Sharp Practice for Naps... but this one in video makes me want to know so i can see if i can find out more about it :).
Wellington once remarked that if he had his Peninsular army, a fine machine,then he could have won Waterloo in 3 hours!
@jumpinthefire23
8 жыл бұрын
+Michael Everest Would that include the Portuguese and Spanish soldiers in it?
@BigRonaldo07
8 жыл бұрын
+Michael Everest Took an Irishman to put to an end to it.
@AtheAetheling
Жыл бұрын
@@jumpinthefire23 it would have yes. He was very fond of the Portuguese soldiers for example
@AtheAetheling
Жыл бұрын
@@BigRonaldo07 He didn't regard himself as an Irishman. These days people would call him one because he was born there and his family had been there for a few generations, but it was different then. All his relatives were English planters, and he remarked he was a member of Ireland's English Garrison. It doesn't actually matter of course, view him as an Irishman or an Englishman as your preference, but the important thing was that he was a Brit, and that's the one thing that can't be argued with.
@Leon-bc8hm
5 ай бұрын
Fighting lesser French armies in Spain. Oh and this little nasty fact. Thanks to the Dutch/Belgium saving Wellington at Quatre brass holding out long enough and showing the French attacked there in full force. Glad this is known now.
what is this? paradise? MAGIC
What are the rules imagined by Peter Gilder?
Are they playing In the Grand Manner here?
when did this first air?
@franciscopina2899
6 жыл бұрын
Lou Machado According to IMDB, it aired on March 9th, 1978
is this games workshop?
Napoleon underestimated his own marshall GROUCHY ! not blucher who was in retreat.
What game is this.
Quand je regarde cette vidéo ,on voit que le monde de la fig a changé Avant il fallait avoir faiits des hautes études pour y jouer et on dirait des acteurs de Benny Bill😂😂😂
Where is the rest?
@Rusty_Gold85
3 жыл бұрын
click on OPs name and search for yourself on his uploads , man
The reason Napoleon didn't open the battle earlier in the morning was due to the ground being too wet for his artillery to move and operate. If it hadn't of rained the night before the battle the French would probably have broken Wellingtons line before Blucher arrived.
@philipeagles
9 жыл бұрын
matthew bailey That probably would have just prolonged the misery as I presume a growing coalition including the Russian and Prussian armies would have been marching to repeat the invasion of 1814. Best that it ended quickly as it did without further death and destructiion.
@MB-oc1nw
9 жыл бұрын
Philip Eagles Yeah, Russian and Austrian forces were mobilized and slowly on their way to Belgium. If Napoleon had of won at Waterloo the next battle against the Russians, Austrians and probably the Prussians would have been trully epic.
@philipeagles
9 жыл бұрын
matthew bailey yes i meant to say Russian and Austrian. if Wellington's army had been broken early in the day then the Prussians could have made an orderly retreat to the east to link up with the new armies. Would Napoleon have pursued them or just sat tight as the allies approached? Cant see how it could have ended up in victory for France.
@MB-oc1nw
9 жыл бұрын
Philip Eagles If Blucher met up with the Russians and Austrians it would probably be over...nearly half a million men in three armies against Napoleons 110,000 assuming he linked back up with Grouchy and his 30,000 strong corps. He could fall back into france and repeat what happened in the previous campaign or try to outmaneuver and destroy 3 huge armies with an experienced and motivated but tired and depleted army....That would probably have been past him in his prime let alone 1815.
@ColasTeam
7 жыл бұрын
You never know. Napoleon had a reputation of being invincible among his men and his enemies. It is said that the French won a battle once just by a fake rumor spreading around the enemy camp that he was commanding the opposing army, which made them, I think it was the Austrians, retreat immediately. Winning at Waterloo would of only served to reinforce that.
what is this
@thatoneradicalizedprussian225
7 жыл бұрын
War gaming
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Napoleon underestimated his own marshall GROUCHY ! not blucher who was in retreat.